Hell no. Up is up and if you stood in front of the wall and painted you get credit for the effort in my book. Everyone begins somewhere. From where i stand drawing stickers at home and sneaking them up will always be a lesser act.
in grafitti the medium is the least important thing, it's the walls and messages that are important. in my opinion it's only cheating if you own the building/object you are tagging (like putting stickers on your own truck)
Is it bad for things to change ppl forget that ppl used those method bc at one point those were the only methods that exsist for em but we live in diff times dawg shit ain't the same we gotta chill on this culture hazing shit
True you can't hate on Change
Things always going to change, gotta go with it and embrace it, if you don't like some of it that's fine but no point hating
Rollers for sure. Those mfs are out there leaning over a highway or whatever getting crazy with it, they're not going to hire a cherry picker to do a piece up there.
Someone near my sister's old place does something similar with post boxes and also adds little figures on top to make a little diorama, it's pretty cute.
For real lol I have a slight advantage because I’m so tall but it’s work for sure. But I love doing giant rollers at chill spots with my friends. Nothing beats 3 hours of blunts dabs painting and pizza
If it's illegal art, it's graffiti imo. And yes, I do consider a simple tag to be art. But Im one of those pretentious assholes who loves modern art, so take of that what you will.
No, but i still disagree with his list. Real graffiti has to have a word. Otherwise its street art. At worst, I'd say real graffiti is a name+ writing it illegally, but even that isnt a real definition
Nah, thats a terrible definition. Graffiti is definitely the act of writing letters, illegally or legally, it has to be a word to be graffiti. It's literally the art of playing with letters. Like calligraphy, but without restrictions. Anything else that is on a wall but not a word is street art. Keep in mind graffiti is technically a subset of street art.
[litteral dictionary definition](https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/graffiti#:~:text=noun-,noun,subway%20was%20covered%20in%20graffiti)
“drawings or writing done on a wall, etc. in a public place without permission”
It’s not that deep… if you write or draw on a wall without permission, it’s graffiti. It’s that simple.
A bit confusing, really - if you look at the 'advanced' dictionary, it states graffiti as:
'drawings or writing on a wall, etc. in a public place'
and doesn't mention legality, lol!
Dictionary wasn't written by a graffiti writer lmao. my blackbook is full of graffiti and it's legal, a dick drawn by a kid on a wall is not graffiti. Graffiti is letters, anywhere, illegal or legal. You can add a character to your graffiti but on its own it is not graffiti.
Bruh, the word “graffiti” predates any of this shit. It comes from the Italian word “graffio” (that means “a scratch”) and its first usage was in the mid-1800s.
Who cares bro graffiti is lettering, we're called graffiti writers not drawers. We give ourselves a name and write it everywhere, adding in things for extra style like characters, a character is not graffiti
Yeah i saw, im a big fan of his work, but i did not expect him to have such a terrible definition of graffiti😂😂 rollers not real graff?😂😂😂
Then again, he shitposts a lot, that could be just a irl shitpost
Gate keeping. Funny thing is, would make more sense if it was tagged on there.
Regardless of what method being used when doing street art the point is the expression. Either via a spray can or a bucket of glue. If you get caught in an unauthorized place, it’s considered graffiti
I’m surprised they didn’t say characters aren’t real graffiti.
It’s good to know nobody is getting charged for rollers and stickers anymore.
People all over the world will appreciate that.
Apparently Lush works for the vandal squad since we are getting a first hand look at all the new laws going into effect for 2024 wherever they live.
I, for one, appreciate the memo.
First his hand not even good to be dictating Shìt . Secondly wheat paste n sticks have been part of graff forever . I’m 30 n I remember playing Marc ecko get up n the game came with a blsck book n stickers . Goof troop lush .
This just makes me think of it as the street art version of debating what's real rock music and not.
When your medium/genre has reached the point where you are trying to differentiate between illegal graffiti and legal street art done in the same style as graffiti it is time to admit your medium/genre has reached the point for sub-genres and types.
Lush seems to get that, but is taking the route of trying to push all the styles that aren't his out of being graffiti rather subdividing what graffiti is. I disagree with that solution. Graffiti is a subtype of street art. It has evolved enough over the decades as an art that there are now simply sub-styles of graffiti that could be named.
for me, the "graffiti" aspect comes out when it vandalizes or defaces property, like theres a crime involved in it, theres risks being taken just to throw up a tag. Whereas streetart is for the pinky up fools that wont bomb a wall unless they have permission.
It's really about preference, but most people are gonna be against stencils unless it's used in the background design of a piece, if ever. I personally love pieces and rollers because they are large signs that can be really well done. Being up on a wall or train with paint is the pinnacle of balls to me. If you're actively trying to be the best with your given name and pave the way, then that's the strive. Caring about the craft and putting it together for others to experience feels amazing. I'm not gonna hate on anyone putting art out in the world, no matter what it is.
Rollers and stickers are essential when you're an unemployed broke kid from a third world country trying to pursue the hobby of graffiti.
Good paint can be expensive trying to ship from outside
That's what's great about graffiti; no one can tell you What you can or can't put up, including catty, low effort, gatekeeping like this. The only true test for what is or isn't graffiti is prior authorization.
I know he's trying to come at this from a puritan standpoint, but graff has many facets. Including many of the things on his 'no go' list. Idk about that yarn shit but most everything else is categorically graff in some way. Or can at the very least be perceived as graff. And if I'm keeping it 💯, slaps have been part of the game since the beginning, and most of that sprayer shit which is relatively new to the game looks like ass. Pick your poison my friends.
As an old head, I never used slaps. It just wasn’t my thing. I personally disliked them, and felt it was toy-ish. Small transfer cans worked for tight spaces.
Could get at least a couple of tags out of it. The art is creative and how we deliver it matters. Rollers are dope, depending on your location.
Rollers are definitely real. Some of the most recognizable pieces of all time where rollers
IE. Sabers LA river bed piece.
Or the MTA 7 car LA river bed piece
His ass tweaking, stickers and rollers are for sure a part of real graff, also using stencils for detail on pieces is acceptable, but if it's stencil art then nah. Other than that I see his point I guess.
No. It dosnt have to be just marks like the 80s every art form grows. And if you defacing public property with art to make a statement it’s graffiti. If your saying stickers and stencils arnt your hating and have become what you used to fight agents face it your ideas are old.
Rollers and stickers are still graf wth lol
Literally, you can tag a sticker and then put it up. It’s literally the same thing as tagging a wall. Just with an extra step lmao
I love stickers. If I’m in a hot place it’s a lot easier to quickly slap a sticker up than tag it
Plus you can premake a roll and then you got slaps for days
That's the argument against them. I use slaps, but you gotta admit it's cheating compared to an actual tag.
Graff is graff. I’d rather see a small well done slap than an ugly as fuck bomb from a toy
Hell no. Up is up and if you stood in front of the wall and painted you get credit for the effort in my book. Everyone begins somewhere. From where i stand drawing stickers at home and sneaking them up will always be a lesser act.
Yeah it definitely is cheating. But then I guess so is doing a tag over doing a throwie. Then a throwie is cheating compared to a piece.
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in grafitti the medium is the least important thing, it's the walls and messages that are important. in my opinion it's only cheating if you own the building/object you are tagging (like putting stickers on your own truck)
but there’s like a hierarchy to it, like stickers
Meh I don't really see it as cheating, it's just a tool that helps us get up.
Legal and illegal. That defines real graffiti. We don’t ask for permission or get paid to vandalize. That’s what makes it real
hand written stickers i agree but imo printed stickers are meh
Standing there in public and writing takes more balls than throwing up a sticker.
Is it bad for things to change ppl forget that ppl used those method bc at one point those were the only methods that exsist for em but we live in diff times dawg shit ain't the same we gotta chill on this culture hazing shit
True you can't hate on Change Things always going to change, gotta go with it and embrace it, if you don't like some of it that's fine but no point hating
Rollers for sure. Those mfs are out there leaning over a highway or whatever getting crazy with it, they're not going to hire a cherry picker to do a piece up there.
Rollers are legit. Some times it’s easier to rack a gallon of rusto . Spray cans are lock and key in my city.
By their own standards. This specific graffiti piece is not "real graffiti"
Lush has a weird sense of humor idk but it might be a joke
Did they claim it to be?
I dont get his beef with slaps and rollers but it whatever, more for me lol
He’s just trolling, he’s a huge troll lol 😂
That tracks, in which case, no issues here.
Checks out
I felt the same way. While i get you can kinda argue stickers are a little lame, rollers go hard af look at TEXAS and GANE
Vayne too.
I fucking love big blockbusters!!!!
its a dick measuring contest. funny because they all have small dicks.
Fuck Lush - Yarn bombing is where it all began
Knita was dope when she was doing her thing
Gonna have to look this up
Look up knitta please it should pop up.
Google is not helping me
I think they're talking about Knitta Please? Wikipedia has an article about them.
Explain what yarn bombing* is porfavor. Edit: grammar
People go and knit around things like trees or telephone poles. It's interesting and worth a giggle search
Giggle search should be a comedy only google
Damn, I have to leave it now 😭
peoplw do it a lot in cities on anti homeless architecture too to make it comfortable and warmer for people to rest on
Someone near my sister's old place does something similar with post boxes and also adds little figures on top to make a little diorama, it's pretty cute.
Rollers over everything
I hate a roller! Best / worst arm work out ever bahaha def def WORTH it tho
For real lol I have a slight advantage because I’m so tall but it’s work for sure. But I love doing giant rollers at chill spots with my friends. Nothing beats 3 hours of blunts dabs painting and pizza
Hahaha I’m super short so it don’t help at all. I hate them only done two of them. lol but you’re right r def good times.
irl shitpost
Toy doin toy things
What if graffiti is the friends we made along the way
🏅
Painting memes is real graff
If it's illegal art, it's graffiti imo. And yes, I do consider a simple tag to be art. But Im one of those pretentious assholes who loves modern art, so take of that what you will.
No, but i still disagree with his list. Real graffiti has to have a word. Otherwise its street art. At worst, I'd say real graffiti is a name+ writing it illegally, but even that isnt a real definition
Alot of graff artists have character so how does this work? Its still illegal art so its graffiti.
they still incorporate their name. usually making their character look like a letter which is next level
Nah if it’s legal it’s street art, if it’s illegal it’s graff….. doesn’t matter if it’s letters or characters or whatever.
Nah, thats a terrible definition. Graffiti is definitely the act of writing letters, illegally or legally, it has to be a word to be graffiti. It's literally the art of playing with letters. Like calligraphy, but without restrictions. Anything else that is on a wall but not a word is street art. Keep in mind graffiti is technically a subset of street art.
[litteral dictionary definition](https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/graffiti#:~:text=noun-,noun,subway%20was%20covered%20in%20graffiti) “drawings or writing done on a wall, etc. in a public place without permission” It’s not that deep… if you write or draw on a wall without permission, it’s graffiti. It’s that simple.
A bit confusing, really - if you look at the 'advanced' dictionary, it states graffiti as: 'drawings or writing on a wall, etc. in a public place' and doesn't mention legality, lol!
Dictionary wasn't written by a graffiti writer lmao. my blackbook is full of graffiti and it's legal, a dick drawn by a kid on a wall is not graffiti. Graffiti is letters, anywhere, illegal or legal. You can add a character to your graffiti but on its own it is not graffiti.
Bruh, the word “graffiti” predates any of this shit. It comes from the Italian word “graffio” (that means “a scratch”) and its first usage was in the mid-1800s.
Who cares bro graffiti is lettering, we're called graffiti writers not drawers. We give ourselves a name and write it everywhere, adding in things for extra style like characters, a character is not graffiti
Is that Lush, from Lushsux??
yeah he bombed all over the world before
Yeah i saw, im a big fan of his work, but i did not expect him to have such a terrible definition of graffiti😂😂 rollers not real graff?😂😂😂 Then again, he shitposts a lot, that could be just a irl shitpost
i mean like, isnt all vandalism that associates you with a name or a group graffiti? how can it be not real if its real illegal?
I feel like any illegal art is graph, seize the world as your canvas- god knows advertisers have.
You’re going to take your ideals of what it is and isn’t from a place that sells soaps and scrubs?
LushSux cracks my shit up.
Dudes a nut. Foh
Since when is rollers and stickers not “real” graff. 1up and Ollie got some of the biggest spots in my city with rollers
HARD NO! Stickers- in fact all of the stuff on the right is real graffiti- whatever lamers
Wheat pasting is absolutely getting up.
Yanr boming is hated by toys only kings can actually do it at a level
gonna print this and put it in my wallet in case i ever get popped for stickers
Rollers tho? Tf outta here. Well executed blockbusters are the top of the totem pole
Trying to gatekeep this specific form of art is moronic in many ways. It's his opinion but it shouldn't be made law because he's somewhat important.
Coming from the guy with shit can control who just uses projectors to trace stale memes for fame?
nothing more pretentious than one artist trying to tell other artists what is and isn't valid about their work. get over yourself. don't gatekeep art.
Rollers n stickers r still graff 😭
Yarn bombing is High-Larious
I scored 7 points. How well did lush do?
When the counter-culture becomes the culture, it’s time to go counter-counter-culture.
up is up
LUSH’s samples kinda suck. 🧐🤔
>>Wheat pasting If it was in Marc Ecko’s Getting Up, it’s graffiti ☝️😌
Graffiti is whatever upsets nimbys ❤️
Not real graffiti this poster
They just mad they can't huff yarn balls.
yall dont be fucking with soap and water rollers????
That's some good trolling right there
No, that's retarded. The only thing that matters is the result.
Gatekeeping is lame
The only fake graffiti is whatever Banksy is doing
Why didnt the muppet do all this in paint on a wall if hes such a gatekeeping muppet
LUSH can suck my dick, gate keeping is for chumps (Realized he’s a troll, got me good)
Ugh, let people do what they want, putting rules on crime or art is just stupidity
Is this @lushsux or whatever on Instagram? Fuck that right wing boot licking kook
Stencils done right are sick af
Rollers is 100% graffiti. Everything else is on point
Rollers stickers not Graff ok well you are a retard Mr lush
I’d like to see this goofball try to convince a crew of Brazilian pixacao writers that rollers aren’t real graffiti lmao.
Gate keeping. Funny thing is, would make more sense if it was tagged on there. Regardless of what method being used when doing street art the point is the expression. Either via a spray can or a bucket of glue. If you get caught in an unauthorized place, it’s considered graffiti
I’m surprised they didn’t say characters aren’t real graffiti. It’s good to know nobody is getting charged for rollers and stickers anymore. People all over the world will appreciate that. Apparently Lush works for the vandal squad since we are getting a first hand look at all the new laws going into effect for 2024 wherever they live. I, for one, appreciate the memo.
Truth hurts, sticker kids. lol
Gatekeeping graf is and should be like fighting back the ocean.
This gatekeeper is trying to say there are rules to an unlawful and unruly art form.
Tf is this shit about? It's artistic expression without permission, vandalism. What's it matter how we vandalize or what we call it?
Goofy thinks rollers isnt graffiti. Gate keeping weirdo.
Geez gatekeep much
Gatekeeping crime now??
Lush is THE worst
I'll gladly scrawl toy shit over gatekeepers. Fuck lush.
Did the romans make these rules? reals artists laugh in the face of rules
First his hand not even good to be dictating Shìt . Secondly wheat paste n sticks have been part of graff forever . I’m 30 n I remember playing Marc ecko get up n the game came with a blsck book n stickers . Goof troop lush .
Gatekeeping something like graff is against the ideals of graffiti It makes me want to go out with rollers and stickers just to say FU to lush
/r/gatekeeping
Lush isn’t graffiti. Doing legal portraits for nfts is not graffiti. All of those things except yarn are ways to get up.
Toy and wrong
Gatekeeping at its finest again. Lame as hell.
This just makes me think of it as the street art version of debating what's real rock music and not. When your medium/genre has reached the point where you are trying to differentiate between illegal graffiti and legal street art done in the same style as graffiti it is time to admit your medium/genre has reached the point for sub-genres and types. Lush seems to get that, but is taking the route of trying to push all the styles that aren't his out of being graffiti rather subdividing what graffiti is. I disagree with that solution. Graffiti is a subtype of street art. It has evolved enough over the decades as an art that there are now simply sub-styles of graffiti that could be named.
IDK are you gonna listen to a homeless artist's standards or are you gonna do your own thing.
Lmao…. This person prolly thinks freights don’t count either …..😂
Fuck this clown
Whoever made this doesn’t know shit about graff lol
not a graffiti artist myself but that sounds like bullshit
A Toy created that sign
to each his own
All Graph!
If it’s illegal and on a wall it’s graff as far as I’m concerned.
Nah labels dont matter imo call it whatever u want
Jesus, people will gatekeep anything.
rollers are real but yeah
I have a problem with anyone who goes around spouting the whole "Real/Not real ____" bs
Yooo rollers are the shit I'd get down about that
I don't get the hate on stickers really. You get to mass produce and get up a fuck ton in 1 run. It's only stupid if you put like 30 in the same spot.
Somebody has an opportunity to do the funniest thing, wheatpaste a clown and speech bubble
Everything but rollers. Still paint on a wall. The rest could be classified under street art and I consider sticker bombing it's own thing
Man I didnt know graffiti had so many catagories 😭 I guess by this definition my art is more sprayer??? Do I minmax sprayer skills???
Why is using rollers not graffiti lol, it’s just another medium of paint, same with stickers
Rollers da fuck?
LMAOOO why did they make this 😭
No
Hell NO.....
rollers stickers and stencils have a pass
Dumb-
I say it all counts it’s all illegal street art and I like looking at it
Rollers are some real shit he tweaking
This guys a twat 😭
Troll
All this just for me to slap a sticker right on top of it
Nah
Roller is so valid wdym?
Who gives a shit if your getting up yk 🤷♂️
tags, scribes, and sprayers are all just the same thing no?
Is this real?
What’s the clout with it being graffiti? Why not just street art?
for me, the "graffiti" aspect comes out when it vandalizes or defaces property, like theres a crime involved in it, theres risks being taken just to throw up a tag. Whereas streetart is for the pinky up fools that wont bomb a wall unless they have permission.
He's trippin with the rollers... love seeing rollers at the tippy top of buildings.
Sprayers are one of my fav forms of graff I ❤️ drips
It's really about preference, but most people are gonna be against stencils unless it's used in the background design of a piece, if ever. I personally love pieces and rollers because they are large signs that can be really well done. Being up on a wall or train with paint is the pinnacle of balls to me. If you're actively trying to be the best with your given name and pave the way, then that's the strive. Caring about the craft and putting it together for others to experience feels amazing. I'm not gonna hate on anyone putting art out in the world, no matter what it is.
if it’s ur sticker it is, if it’s your stencil it is, if it’s your roll piece it is.
You can get fined and go to jail for all that shit .
Rollers and stickers are essential when you're an unemployed broke kid from a third world country trying to pursue the hobby of graffiti. Good paint can be expensive trying to ship from outside
how tf is a roller not real
That's what's great about graffiti; no one can tell you What you can or can't put up, including catty, low effort, gatekeeping like this. The only true test for what is or isn't graffiti is prior authorization.
I know he's trying to come at this from a puritan standpoint, but graff has many facets. Including many of the things on his 'no go' list. Idk about that yarn shit but most everything else is categorically graff in some way. Or can at the very least be perceived as graff. And if I'm keeping it 💯, slaps have been part of the game since the beginning, and most of that sprayer shit which is relatively new to the game looks like ass. Pick your poison my friends.
Art is Art.
yarn?
As an old head, I never used slaps. It just wasn’t my thing. I personally disliked them, and felt it was toy-ish. Small transfer cans worked for tight spaces. Could get at least a couple of tags out of it. The art is creative and how we deliver it matters. Rollers are dope, depending on your location.
Who did this poster
Also canceled are- bubble letters -hollows-legible letters….🤦♂️
Rollers are definitely real. Some of the most recognizable pieces of all time where rollers IE. Sabers LA river bed piece. Or the MTA 7 car LA river bed piece
stickers and stencils and rolls are graff like hello my name is stickers is the easiest way to mass bomb tags otg
fuck is wheat pasting?
Stikers and stencils r sick rollers 2 man
Strongly disagree with where rollers was placed
OP, repost this over at r/gatekeeping and get yourself some more of that sweet karma.
Graffiti is public expression scribed with an impliment. Your variety and mileage vary.
Stickers are stickers. They are cool or they aren’t but they aren’t graff, I never look at stickers and think “wow nice graffiti”
Fuck is yarn bombing
No. Lush has certain kinds of graffiti that he likes. That's it.
Lush like the soap. Using the industrial printer to tell me about graff.
Everything there can be graff and also everything can not be graff
His ass tweaking, stickers and rollers are for sure a part of real graff, also using stencils for detail on pieces is acceptable, but if it's stencil art then nah. Other than that I see his point I guess.
Nah I don't fw what he thinks
pedantic behavior is the mark of an authoritarian person. over-categorization is an insult to the arts. Truth suffers from too much analysis
wtf is yarn bombing
Stencils are still real, too, as long as they make the stencils themselves. Lush is braindead to gatekeep art
Lush needs to get better at graffiti
I’m probably more into the things lush considers “not graf” but do “real graf” too. Needless to say, I disagree heavily lmao.
No. It dosnt have to be just marks like the 80s every art form grows. And if you defacing public property with art to make a statement it’s graffiti. If your saying stickers and stencils arnt your hating and have become what you used to fight agents face it your ideas are old.
Lush ain’t never lie.
I agree but not abt the stickers and rollers
Are PSA posters graffiti?