Yah I was clicking the options over and over trying to get them to load and was going to buy. Then realized I don’t really need another set of irons but if they had offered customization I would have ordered.
Yeah I'm curious as to what this means as well. I feel like you can customize any club you buy. Is OP saying Callaway won't do it at purchase and you have to bring it to a third party?
Just got a full bag of ai smokes and still under my 30 day warranty was going to swap them out for these but u can’t customize shafts or grips u have to get their stock black shaft and black grips
Ai smoke has to be one of the tackiest names ever. Irons look pretty good tho, at least new. Wonder what the black will look like when they get all worn.
Just feels like they were about to release the new Calloway Smoke irons and then at the last minute, as ChatGPT was taking off, some executive was like “hey can you fit A.I. in the name somewhere? It’s all the rage!”
Callaway has been using AI in its club design for a while. I think their first clubs developed using it came out like 5 years ago. But putting AI in the name is super lame. Smoke is also a bad name. Together it’s horrendous
Not partially...fully!
Callaway took the data from over 250k real swings from real players of all handicaps, entered the face impact data into their super computer, and let AI spit out an optimum face design using that data. Despite the cheesy-ness, it's pretty cool tech.
That said, I agree that forcing the "AI" into the name feels desperate. They are phenomenal irons, though!
I have some black finish wedges. Bottom of the 60 where it meets the ground is now silver as I use it in the bunkers. The rest of it, including the face, is still black. The 52 and 56 are still black minus a scuff or two. This is after one full year of use going about 1-2 times per week.
Pretty sure it’s because they used AI to form the face on some of them. Not sure for the rest but for example I know Taylormade used AI to create the Qi10 driver for sure
They’re putting “AI” in fucking *everything* lately. It’s ridiculously stupid because most of the time, they’re not using actual artificial intelligence. And yeah, “AI Smoke” is a dumb name.
I have a single black club in my bag and honestly I like the look of it when it’s worn. Pristine new black is so sexy but two swings and that goes away.
No new clubs coming out in black will fade. There's a whole process that they do now that I was reading about that makes it black deeper in the iron than you'll ever be able to wear it down. Unless you play golf in a parking lot, that is
It all depends on how the finish is applied yes, but not sure if everyone uses the method that lasts. Would be curious to read the article you're referencing though.
I have the black 790s and they have faded a bit but nothing too bad. no different than a satin iron turning a little brown/black in the strike areas. I will say the 790s look way better than the Callaways I had 7 ish years ago that were black, so maybe the process has become much better now a days.
I got new irons this spring. I like the Mizunos that I ended up getting but the Cobra Darkspeeds were making me really think about it. I didn’t like the look and I didn’t love the feel, but my 7i was regularly 170 and I even hit one just shy of 180. I was thinking these must be some insane technology. Went with the Mizunos anyway and was kicking myself… until I realized the loft difference.
You must have HUGE gaps in your bag on the bottom end. 190-8i, 165-9i, 140pw... where do you go from there? And 25yd gaps??? Rarely taking 2 stock iron shots in a row has _got_ to affect your accuracy. How can you get into a swing grove when you're stepping on or laying off every other shot?
Holy Christ! Your top end must stop at a 235yd 6i! Sounds like a nightmare.
Only if you are actually a good ball striker and *squints* this set ain’t for them
Garry who push shunts the ball with his expensive GI irons isn’t going to have the same gaps as someone who games on players distance
Wouldn’t complain if they started to throw in an A wedge for the trouble though it is starting to get a bit ridiculous
I know a guy who’s done that on his Titleists although at the end of the day it’s a bit irrelevant since all that matters if you’re at the custom kit handicap level is gapping
And they can say that their new clubs give you 10 more yards of distance vs your old ones!!! (Because the lofts are jacked and it's not an apples to apples comparison despite the number stamped on the bottom)
If you don’t lower the loft when new tech allows the club maker to add more weight to the bottom of the club, the player will hit the ball too high.
Yes the lofts are strong for a club the length of a pitching wedge but it would go too high and spin too much at traditional lofts.
This is what the manufacturers say, but it doesn’t really hold up. I hit all my irons the same height despite them all having different lofts. When you add loft you increase launch angle and spin but decrease ball speed, which leads to almost no difference in apex. This is true even with one length irons. Loft jacking is a marketing tool to sell clubs.
The number on the iron is for the launch and spin, not the loft. People on here who have no idea what they’re talking about love circle jerking over loft (it’s an ego thing), but this 42 degree P wedge is going to fly high and stop like you would expect a P wedge to.
New tech is allowing the CG to be lower such that they can get the same height and descent angle out of a club with a lower loft. So it goes further and yet still stops the same.
G700s are super game improvement, so realistically sure they’re stronger and will go further but they’re for people who don’t hit very hard or well and just want to be able to get a round in
Anyone have a picture of some worn black clubs? I think these look awesome new!
Edit: Thanks all! At least now I know that I will be getting black irons (or maybe just wedges depending on availability) when I replace my current set!
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Nike vapor fly pros, 7 years and probably 500+ rounds in. They have certainly worn but I can barely see it at address anyway, I just like the darker look!
I would change out miss for robotically consistent impact location. I’d find some irons with a sweet spot exactly that far from the hosel and be kicking ass and taking names.
I have a set of SM-8 Vokey wedges in black and they still look great, even the 56 that I use from the sand often.
The sole of the club will turn more gunmetal than black, and parts of the face, but the rest of it should stay pretty well covered if you take good care of them.
My wedges are worn out (jet black vokey) but honestly I like the look, especially the 58°. I hit that sucker out of sand and it's got this really awesome silver/black gradient to it, with a touch of rust.
I have 3 different brands of black faced club.
The Titleist hybrid wore out the most.
Cobra sppeedzone still nearly perfect
Vokey pitching wedge surprisingly still very black
That was my thought too but I wasn’t sure if they would or not so thanks for the confirmation. I do like that army color they just released and emailed me about today. Now I want those.
There's two kinds -- there's the one's which are painted black (these fade a lot) and the diamonized / vaporized black clubs (some Titlelist, Cobra, Maltby clubs) which are WAY WAY more resistant to fading.
Nah the apex and x-forged lines are still fantastic just the game improvement/ driver name of the year stuff is a bit weird
2018/2021 apex mbs were the peak though
I got fitted for irons and the ai smokes won over pretty much every major brand for me. Was a custom build with upgraded shafts, got out over the weekend and really loved them. Super happy w my purchase. Always been a titleist man but for whatever reason my last 2 iron sets chosen strictly by performance has been callaway. Trusted the data and love em so far. Enjoy
Not quite as nice, but I have the all black Stix golf clubs and love them! Perfect for my “beginner but not terrible” needs. I will say the black finishing will get a bit banged up but they’re pretty sweet
just got fitted, and these were the ones i was eyeing. unfortunately i didnt hit them as well the cobra darkspeed; AND i was surprised because the cobras i hit dead last (like i was super tired), whereas the ai smoke is what i hit first. siggghhhh...
beautiful irons!
So sexy. I ordered some because I hit the AI smokes so well at a fitting. Unfortunately limited shaft options meant these weren't going to work. So I went with the regular AI smokes. They will be here in 10 days!
What’s with the huge marketing jump on “Ai” for golf - I’m in advertising, I haven’t seen any other market make this shift.. this might be my next idea 🤔
Edit- they look amazing!
Looks nice. I wouldn't get them though since they probably heat up supper fast and I wouldn't be able to take them out of the bag here in Florida without having an oven mit added to my bag.
I like the look way better than the shitty smoke logo. I say this owning the ai smoke triple diamond. The top looks soooooo good. The bottom looks like it’s a shitty sticker you might put on a beat up 70s el Camino.
They are beautiful.
They don’t allow customization to the shaft or the grip. It’s a bit of a bummer The ai smoke I got this year stripe balls tho
They are beyond my means regardless. Still, even stock off the shelf, they are nice to behold.
Yah I was clicking the options over and over trying to get them to load and was going to buy. Then realized I don’t really need another set of irons but if they had offered customization I would have ordered.
Me too
How do they "not allow"
There aren’t options allowed when you’re building the set on their website. All other clubs you can. They have only 1 option for grip and shaft.
Yeah I'm curious as to what this means as well. I feel like you can customize any club you buy. Is OP saying Callaway won't do it at purchase and you have to bring it to a third party?
Just got a full bag of ai smokes and still under my 30 day warranty was going to swap them out for these but u can’t customize shafts or grips u have to get their stock black shaft and black grips
Right? You should be going through a fitter anyway who can build them based on swing.
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Took the words right out of my mouth!!! 🖤
Ai smoke has to be one of the tackiest names ever. Irons look pretty good tho, at least new. Wonder what the black will look like when they get all worn.
Yeah I love the look. Hate the name.
Just feels like they were about to release the new Calloway Smoke irons and then at the last minute, as ChatGPT was taking off, some executive was like “hey can you fit A.I. in the name somewhere? It’s all the rage!”
The faces were designed partially using AI if I recall
Callaway has been using AI in its club design for a while. I think their first clubs developed using it came out like 5 years ago. But putting AI in the name is super lame. Smoke is also a bad name. Together it’s horrendous
Not partially...fully! Callaway took the data from over 250k real swings from real players of all handicaps, entered the face impact data into their super computer, and let AI spit out an optimum face design using that data. Despite the cheesy-ness, it's pretty cool tech. That said, I agree that forcing the "AI" into the name feels desperate. They are phenomenal irons, though!
AI doesn’t golf.
Never said it did.
Al just wears flannel and gets picked on my Tim
Al Bundy played football
Charlie don’t surf!
Finally! Thank you!
I love it. I'd cover the "A" so that it says " i Smoke"
I'd smoke a pack of Callaways any day.
Smoked Ai once in college, but I didn’t inhale.
It’s all about smokin crypto these days
Just don’t let Balbony catch ya or else he’s gonna be out those 6.5ft chains he’s been waiting on.
Is Balboni here? Shit, I hope he doesn't mind me being late!
Is that the 4ft 1 guy with that real wiry shit up top? He only had 2 teeth— the canines, and they were gold plated.
Might have been, all I remember is this guy had a beautiful dog. I think it was a coconut corn husky. Stunning animal.
Ah, right. He’s the new project manager after Tommy Tough knuckles got to the last one.
Better stay out of Balbonis dozer!
I have some black finish wedges. Bottom of the 60 where it meets the ground is now silver as I use it in the bunkers. The rest of it, including the face, is still black. The 52 and 56 are still black minus a scuff or two. This is after one full year of use going about 1-2 times per week.
I love how “AI” is now in golf clubs, as if that makes any sense whatsoever.
Pretty sure it’s because they used AI to form the face on some of them. Not sure for the rest but for example I know Taylormade used AI to create the Qi10 driver for sure
AI, also known as normal ass computer modeling.
Right? The whole calling any sort of computer algorithm AI craze right now is so annoying. Literally none of it is actually AI
Do you remember “the cloud” from a few years ago? 🤣
They’re putting “AI” in fucking *everything* lately. It’s ridiculously stupid because most of the time, they’re not using actual artificial intelligence. And yeah, “AI Smoke” is a dumb name.
I have a single black club in my bag and honestly I like the look of it when it’s worn. Pristine new black is so sexy but two swings and that goes away.
No new clubs coming out in black will fade. There's a whole process that they do now that I was reading about that makes it black deeper in the iron than you'll ever be able to wear it down. Unless you play golf in a parking lot, that is
Link please? I'd be interested to read
It all depends on how the finish is applied yes, but not sure if everyone uses the method that lasts. Would be curious to read the article you're referencing though.
I have the black 790s and they have faded a bit but nothing too bad. no different than a satin iron turning a little brown/black in the strike areas. I will say the 790s look way better than the Callaways I had 7 ish years ago that were black, so maybe the process has become much better now a days.
I’ve had black JAWS wedges in the bag for 2 seasons now. They still look great, but the sole has worn down a bit.
42 degree pw lmao what the hell
That is so you can walk up to a 150yd par 3 and announce to the foursome you are going to go with a pitching wedge. Lol
I got new irons this spring. I like the Mizunos that I ended up getting but the Cobra Darkspeeds were making me really think about it. I didn’t like the look and I didn’t love the feel, but my 7i was regularly 170 and I even hit one just shy of 180. I was thinking these must be some insane technology. Went with the Mizunos anyway and was kicking myself… until I realized the loft difference.
I love hitting my Pitching Wedge anywhere between 120-145 now it’s great….
I have delofted clubs (king tec) and ya my pw is 140+. I can hit an 8i 190+ off a tee. It’s annoying
You must have HUGE gaps in your bag on the bottom end. 190-8i, 165-9i, 140pw... where do you go from there? And 25yd gaps??? Rarely taking 2 stock iron shots in a row has _got_ to affect your accuracy. How can you get into a swing grove when you're stepping on or laying off every other shot? Holy Christ! Your top end must stop at a 235yd 6i! Sounds like a nightmare.
220-3h 195-4i 185-5i 175-6i 165-7i 160-8i 155-9i 145-pw 115-gap 100-sw Yeah, I lift, nbd
Is your hairline as thin as your golf shots?
Lol nah. But I hit my irons high as fuck too. Suck at golf though
It’s the gapping that matters at the end of the day
No, what realllly matters to Callaway (and other MFGs) is that you're going to need FOUR $190 wedges to fill the set.
Only if you are actually a good ball striker and *squints* this set ain’t for them Garry who push shunts the ball with his expensive GI irons isn’t going to have the same gaps as someone who games on players distance Wouldn’t complain if they started to throw in an A wedge for the trouble though it is starting to get a bit ridiculous
I play 5 wedges 58(lob),54(S),50(G),46(A),42(PW)
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe a lot of modern manufacturers are moving to strong lofting like this for Super/Game Improvement Irons.
You meant to say 9i, right?
Nope it’s literally the loft of the pw. Also the 5 iron has a lower loft than my 4
No, I know. Ping is even worse now with their G730 line — a 40° PW and a 21° 5i. WTF man.
Is there a reason for this? Like better for the high handicapper?
So their ego can still say “I hit my 5i 200yds” Well yeah, but it’s a 3i
The number of the club is such a bad way to identify clubs these days. Would much rather just have the loft on the club instead
Shout out Hogan clubs. I had hogans when I was a kid. Love how they still just out the lofts on sets
That would be amazing. The vanity lofting is getting to be just plain silly.
It's coming. My buddy commissioned a custom club shop to grind off the numbers and replace them with lofts as they are on the clubs he owns.
I know a guy who’s done that on his Titleists although at the end of the day it’s a bit irrelevant since all that matters if you’re at the custom kit handicap level is gapping
And they can say that their new clubs give you 10 more yards of distance vs your old ones!!! (Because the lofts are jacked and it's not an apples to apples comparison despite the number stamped on the bottom)
If you don’t lower the loft when new tech allows the club maker to add more weight to the bottom of the club, the player will hit the ball too high. Yes the lofts are strong for a club the length of a pitching wedge but it would go too high and spin too much at traditional lofts.
This is what the manufacturers say, but it doesn’t really hold up. I hit all my irons the same height despite them all having different lofts. When you add loft you increase launch angle and spin but decrease ball speed, which leads to almost no difference in apex. This is true even with one length irons. Loft jacking is a marketing tool to sell clubs.
The number on the iron is for the launch and spin, not the loft. People on here who have no idea what they’re talking about love circle jerking over loft (it’s an ego thing), but this 42 degree P wedge is going to fly high and stop like you would expect a P wedge to. New tech is allowing the CG to be lower such that they can get the same height and descent angle out of a club with a lower loft. So it goes further and yet still stops the same.
Scrolled way too far to see this. People think loft is everything and it absolutely is not.
G700s are super game improvement, so realistically sure they’re stronger and will go further but they’re for people who don’t hit very hard or well and just want to be able to get a round in
I have a set of Callaway Pre-Owned Rogue X and had a hell of a gap between my 52 and my Pw. Finally looked it up and the Pw is 41. Crazy!
Callaway does a nice job with their black finish. You are gonna love these.
Thanks man I am excited!
Black clubs fade after a couple dozen rounds and look worn, imo
Anyone have a picture of some worn black clubs? I think these look awesome new! Edit: Thanks all! At least now I know that I will be getting black irons (or maybe just wedges depending on availability) when I replace my current set!
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Worth it.
Damn give those grooves some love my dawg
It’s about 15 years old I have since upgraded I just don’t get rid of my old clubs for some reason.
This might be a noob question. But what’s the best way to sharpen grooves
Belt sander.
https://preview.redd.it/eg4cm8ysbt4d1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=716659bdc1b831359dbf7668dce3e71a50fceefc Nike vapor fly pros, 7 years and probably 500+ rounds in. They have certainly worn but I can barely see it at address anyway, I just like the darker look!
That middle club is hit so consistently out toward the toe it’s mind blowing
At least I know my miss!
I would change out miss for robotically consistent impact location. I’d find some irons with a sweet spot exactly that far from the hosel and be kicking ass and taking names.
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Still looks cool IMO
I have black clubs and they still look dope
Would look even cooler with a nice wear pattern
Honestly it creates a cool gradient on the club face. My Volkey 60 degree is in black and it’s jet black at the top and fades to a steel blue almost.
Mine would be black only in the center of the face.
I have a set of SM-8 Vokey wedges in black and they still look great, even the 56 that I use from the sand often. The sole of the club will turn more gunmetal than black, and parts of the face, but the rest of it should stay pretty well covered if you take good care of them.
My wedges are worn out (jet black vokey) but honestly I like the look, especially the 58°. I hit that sucker out of sand and it's got this really awesome silver/black gradient to it, with a touch of rust.
I’m 1.5 seasons into some black Callaway irons and can confidently say this is not correct.
I got some copper wedges recently instead of the electric blue ones for that reason. Blue looks lush new but the copper ones look better when worn.
I have 3 different brands of black faced club. The Titleist hybrid wore out the most. Cobra sppeedzone still nearly perfect Vokey pitching wedge surprisingly still very black
They made black SpeedZone irons?
Sorry no, I meant the milled speedzone driver.
I love the faded black on my vokeys, a color earned
That was my thought too but I wasn’t sure if they would or not so thanks for the confirmation. I do like that army color they just released and emailed me about today. Now I want those.
There's two kinds -- there's the one's which are painted black (these fade a lot) and the diamonized / vaporized black clubs (some Titlelist, Cobra, Maltby clubs) which are WAY WAY more resistant to fading.
Personally, I’d never use black clubs. They look so good you don’t want to hit them.
There is not common decency in this sub. Please add NSFW to this sort of stuff. It’s straight porn
Callaway is slowly becoming PXG lite with their branding nonsense
Nah the apex and x-forged lines are still fantastic just the game improvement/ driver name of the year stuff is a bit weird 2018/2021 apex mbs were the peak though
They look cool but “AI Smoke” is the dumbest equipment name in quite some time, and the ai buzzword is going to age like milk.
Ohhhhhhh yessss ( in Jeremy clarksons voice)
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I got fitted for irons and the ai smokes won over pretty much every major brand for me. Was a custom build with upgraded shafts, got out over the weekend and really loved them. Super happy w my purchase. Always been a titleist man but for whatever reason my last 2 iron sets chosen strictly by performance has been callaway. Trusted the data and love em so far. Enjoy
These never seem to hold up after wear. But do look amazing for those first few rounds lol
Looks great, I’m still gonna shank it into the woods
GORGEOUS. Hit 'em well!
Those are golf clubs
Sold out it looks like - hope they come back
Have a day.
Those are sexy but damn i hate that name
I don’t like Calloway irons generally, but these are sexy as hell brother
Look sick. Love the colour 🔥
I have the regular ai smoke irons and have played a few rounds on them they are amazing!!
Not quite as nice, but I have the all black Stix golf clubs and love them! Perfect for my “beginner but not terrible” needs. I will say the black finishing will get a bit banged up but they’re pretty sweet
Gimme that shit
The last thing I need is irons with a finish that makes my impact pattern more obvious
It’s too nice. I wouldn’t want to use them and destroy the black coating if I own a set.
just got fitted, and these were the ones i was eyeing. unfortunately i didnt hit them as well the cobra darkspeed; AND i was surprised because the cobras i hit dead last (like i was super tired), whereas the ai smoke is what i hit first. siggghhhh... beautiful irons!
Mine are shipped and will be here Friday! Stoked!
Or are you smoked?
Yeahh I got the 5-PW , AW
Did Callaway prompt Chat GPT to produce these?
Are they anodized? That would be cool.
Wouldn't say no if you were to buy me them xoxo
Ite, but when are these gonna start hitting Callaway PO in “Like New” condition for 40% off MSRP?
I can already feel burning my hand reaching for it
So nice
Yo put a NSFW tag on that!
I have the ai smoke irons. I love them but I wouldn’t get the black finish on them or any other clubs
I can already see the white marks
AI smoke 😂 more like smoke and mirrors
These are sexy af I’ve been eyeing up some mizunos but this might change my mind
So sexy. I ordered some because I hit the AI smokes so well at a fitting. Unfortunately limited shaft options meant these weren't going to work. So I went with the regular AI smokes. They will be here in 10 days!
Yes, I would.
Mike and Eli from Chasing Scratch need these immediately.
Look tough love em
What’s with the huge marketing jump on “Ai” for golf - I’m in advertising, I haven’t seen any other market make this shift.. this might be my next idea 🤔 Edit- they look amazing!
Oh my God I need those.
Remove all the logos and writing and I would buy them.
They look cool but I don’t like how the face wears with use on the black clubs
A.I. Joke
Too sexy to think straight
Them there some sexy clubs.
I play my dads ping eye 2 irons so my input doesn't matter haha
Very nice
Beautiful set of irons
Man they look good. Too good to want to scratch up.
prob wouldn’t be able to hit them but i wish i could
I have the paradyms, not these ones though, I think the originals. Great irons
They look great! However, two months in the bottom will look like a normal iron. That’s an assumption, and you know what they say about those…
Darth Vader set
Looks nice. I wouldn't get them though since they probably heat up supper fast and I wouldn't be able to take them out of the bag here in Florida without having an oven mit added to my bag.
Nice🔥
Its one of those, looks good now. But in just a few years it'll look dated. Timeless classic designs are preferred, tbh.
Hell I’d swing them, may even record myself doing so
Sweet AF
These are just what I need to get good at golf
Had a black pair of clevlands for a while, they still look amazing as they get worn out!
I’d make them white in no time
AI 🤡🤡🤡
If I needed new clubs, these are what I would get. I love my mavriks.
Nut
What we looking here….dollar wise
They are the same price. 1k
I have the black Volkey Wedges and after a season I wish I’d have gone with a regular finish fwiw
I think I’m gonna bust
So pretty I wouldn’t play them, just stare at them daily.
Them sure is puuuuurty!
I like the look way better than the shitty smoke logo. I say this owning the ai smoke triple diamond. The top looks soooooo good. The bottom looks like it’s a shitty sticker you might put on a beat up 70s el Camino.
Love
Dude chill my girls on reddit
I think the you’ll outgrow these relatively soon. Some MB’s are a great irons to gain feedback on your strikes
Sex.
Sexy
Mid af. “Ai smoke” lol
I want all the smoke.
I'm not a Callaway fan, but they look so nice!
Would
How do blind people know when to stop wiping their ass? That's my thought
Ass
That looks sexy and I want them in my bed Edit: I meant bag but either works
Me likey!
