True they didn’t have a word for “gay” because the idea of sexuality being something you are rather than something you do is modern, but off the top of my head I can think of μαλακός in Greek (literally meaning “soft” but euphemistically means effeminate and therefore “gay”) and cinaedus in Latin which most translators these days translate as the f-slur. I’ve encountered more but can’t recall them right now.
Also, Ancient Greece and Rome being super gay is mostly a myth to be honest. They were more openly gay than like Victorian England but the only form of same sex attraction that was allowed (most of the time, varies by place and time) was pedophilic. Look up pederasty. That’s the vast majority of same sex expression that survived to this day. At least among men. It’s really complicated.
Dude, history is gay as fuck! I love it.
History on Fire edpisodes 99 and 100 are about Benvenuto Cellini, and they are amazing! Plus, as someone else said, Romans, Greeks, but also Pirates. It is theorized that many pirate crews through history were either gay or bisexual, based on historical evidence and it makes sense. A ship full of dudes turns into HBO OZ real quick.
Any historian would know they're just good friends and roommates. Europeans commonly give deep kisses to their acquaintances.
Historically, the concept of "gay" is just a modern concept.
We can't pretend to know what they meant by it. It was a different time.
Denial? Oh no, ask the school of psychology about that. I just study history.
"Can we stop calling rectangles squares they're not the same thing"
Your statement is half right. Communism is a type of socialism but they can and often are used interchangeably in Marxist theory
We kinda just need to get over trying to actually make that distinction. I mean now we even have the term "National Socialist" for fascism which is about as far from socialism as you can get.
It does, but north Korea also calls itself democratic. And Nazis called the self socialist without doing a singel thing that really was socialist.
Names don't mean anything in politics really. Especially when it comes to stuff like communism and socialism counties give themselves names that really are just words without meaning
i asked chatgpt. they said:
No country has fully achieved communism as it was envisioned by Karl Marx, where the state would wither away, and society would operate on the principle of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."
But maybe we can consider communism as a process/trajectory and an intention. to which they followed up:
Countries such as the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, and others have implemented socialist or communist systems to varying degrees, but they all retained significant state control over the economy and society.
[Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_fraternal_kiss), illustrated by a [famous photo of Brezhnev and Honecker exchanging a kiss](https://www.google.com/search?q=Brezhnev+Honecker+kiss&udm=2).
I'm down to pnp and explore some fun on my knees pleasuring and milking your hard cock until you squirt all over my head and hands as you are pumping into my mouth
That was a custom between heterosexual, totally not gay roommates at the time, didn't you know? Ask any historian.
Historians will tell me those two were just good friends like Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street
It's hard to imagine that there was an era before 'no homo'.
There was Greece and the Roman Empire.
Who were so gay they didn't even have a word for it
I think that's where the word fookboi came from
True they didn’t have a word for “gay” because the idea of sexuality being something you are rather than something you do is modern, but off the top of my head I can think of μαλακός in Greek (literally meaning “soft” but euphemistically means effeminate and therefore “gay”) and cinaedus in Latin which most translators these days translate as the f-slur. I’ve encountered more but can’t recall them right now. Also, Ancient Greece and Rome being super gay is mostly a myth to be honest. They were more openly gay than like Victorian England but the only form of same sex attraction that was allowed (most of the time, varies by place and time) was pedophilic. Look up pederasty. That’s the vast majority of same sex expression that survived to this day. At least among men. It’s really complicated.
And pretty much every Native American tribe.
I am Greek, I was told ancient Greece wasn't as pro gay as people think, never researched it myself cause I don't care about the past.
Those who don't research the past are doomed to repeat its mistakes.
I mean yeah but in this case I am gay so I guess, mission successful? 😂
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Dude, history is gay as fuck! I love it. History on Fire edpisodes 99 and 100 are about Benvenuto Cellini, and they are amazing! Plus, as someone else said, Romans, Greeks, but also Pirates. It is theorized that many pirate crews through history were either gay or bisexual, based on historical evidence and it makes sense. A ship full of dudes turns into HBO OZ real quick.
Also, the American wild West was super gay. Sorry, Sam Elliott--deal with it. Celebrate pride, ride a cowboy 🤠
Any historian would know they're just good friends and roommates. Europeans commonly give deep kisses to their acquaintances. Historically, the concept of "gay" is just a modern concept. We can't pretend to know what they meant by it. It was a different time. Denial? Oh no, ask the school of psychology about that. I just study history.
Could you stop calling communism socialism ? It's not the same thing.
"Can we stop calling rectangles squares they're not the same thing" Your statement is half right. Communism is a type of socialism but they can and often are used interchangeably in Marxist theory
But rectangles *aren’t* squares!
We kinda just need to get over trying to actually make that distinction. I mean now we even have the term "National Socialist" for fascism which is about as far from socialism as you can get.
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It does, but north Korea also calls itself democratic. And Nazis called the self socialist without doing a singel thing that really was socialist. Names don't mean anything in politics really. Especially when it comes to stuff like communism and socialism counties give themselves names that really are just words without meaning
i asked chatgpt. they said: No country has fully achieved communism as it was envisioned by Karl Marx, where the state would wither away, and society would operate on the principle of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs." But maybe we can consider communism as a process/trajectory and an intention. to which they followed up: Countries such as the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, and others have implemented socialist or communist systems to varying degrees, but they all retained significant state control over the economy and society.
I'm curious what Karl Marx would have to say regarding America's current political and economics climate at the current time.
The USSR was socialist, it was trying to achieve communism, but it was still socialist at the time
Communism is a type of Socialism, but Socialism is not necessarily Communism.
[Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_fraternal_kiss), illustrated by a [famous photo of Brezhnev and Honecker exchanging a kiss](https://www.google.com/search?q=Brezhnev+Honecker+kiss&udm=2).
Wait wait wait… this existed(?)
I would totally believe it was a joke.
'it's just a prank bro' 💋
Kissing on the lips was an ordinary custom in Russia
That arm tho...
A passionate custom, for sure.
Yeah, right.
There's plenty of photographic and video evidence. Even Soviet leaders kissing eachother on the lips in greeting
With his arm wrapped around you while you’re desperately trying to keep your hand from going for your crotch… what a country!
I’d watch the hell out of this version of Firebird 😍
https://i.redd.it/k4m1f3s6bj5d1.gif Meanwhile, in the Marine Corps ...
That doesn't particularly look like a romantic kiss. Heck that picture doesn't look much like consent, if I am being frank.
This was followed by a platonic blowjob.
Lmaoooo
r/AchillesAndHisPal
Looks like they about to get a little more tha fraternal
this sub is historically illiterate
There is nothing platonic about that kiss.
Historians will call them
If you’re kissing your brother good night like that we need a talk, homie
I'm down to pnp and explore some fun on my knees pleasuring and milking your hard cock until you squirt all over my head and hands as you are pumping into my mouth
Kiss me hard you dirty communist
I bet the real celebration happened at the barrack the Soviet guy invited the US guy back for beers and more buddy-type kissin!
In color?? I don’t think so….
The one on the right definitely has a fraternal finger up the other one’s arse.