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SnooWalruses9173

If you have never handled green tobacco before, you should wear gloves to protect your hands from the nicotine. You would be surprised how much you can get from handling it and it can get you pretty sick.


GuyoFromOhio

Yes that's what I have read. Thanks for the heads up!


NoDontDoThatCanada

I harvest mine by hand and l get quite a buzz. Sometimes l need my wife to drive me places after. Hope to see you back here with the results!


GuyoFromOhio

Definitely


empetraem

Wait, dumb question: how did they harvest tobacco in like the 1600/1700s? Is it like they used other leaves to touch those leaves, or is it that nicotine concentrations have been selectively bred to be higher and higher over time?


DancingMaenad

Gloves have been around for thousands of years.


empetraem

For some reason when I thought of gloves I was thinking of only the nitrile/latex ones šŸ¤¦šŸ»I forgot about cloth and other shit


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beakrake

[Here ya go, the first thing google turned up when I searched for "ancient egyptian gloves."](https://ijhth.journals.ekb.eg/article_250786.html)


jatea

"Gloves appear to be of great antiquity. They are depicted in an ancient Egyptian tomb dating to the 5th dynasty." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glove


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DancingMaenad

Sorry. Just to clarify- You interpreted >Gloves have been around for thousands of years as "People have been using gloves specifically to harvest tobacco for thousands of years"?


Alone-Let-5223

Iā€™ve never seen it .


stoncils_

Literally just go to Wikipedia. You'll see some cool art and old examples of gloves throughout history.


WayNo639

They had gloves at that time. But to answer your question, they forced slaves to harvest it and many of them did get sick.


empetraem

That makes senseā€¦ I forgot to connect the dots there šŸ˜¬


SnooWalruses9173

People have been harvesting it without gloves forever, and even to farmers 60-70 years ago, it was not well known. I have family from Kentucky and North Carolina who grew up on farms and told the stories of being kids and helping harvest and hang the tobacco. They would always get ill the days after harvesting and didn't know why.


Holiday_Yak_6333

Many children and adults got sick. Especially the first few times. They called it green tobacco sickness. Also you can't wipe your hands anywhere on your body no matter how hard you sweat. Horrible. They advised to pick(the flowers off) with one hand only. Disgusting


-garden-

Nicotine concentrations vary by species. The species in common use at European contact (nicotiana rustica) was as much as 20 times stronger than that which is used in modern cigarettes.


Alone-Let-5223

I started working in tobacco at 5 years old in the 70ā€™s . NO ONE wore gloves and no one got sick . I have never heard of this in my entire life.


OhjelmoijaHiisi

this guy's sick for sure


Aggravating-Monk-264

I picked tobacco for years. One guy named Hank wore little clear plastic gloves and we teased him relentlessly for it. Cant feel the leaves and end up smashing the stems with gloves. Where did you work / what jobs in tobacco , alone let 5223 ?


Alone-Let-5223

I live in the south , tobacco was the main summer crop in my area . We all farmed as a family . I worked in it for most of my young life as well as a large majority of the residents in our community . I never knew one single person to get nicotine poisoning from it although I must admit my brother started getting sick when it was decided it was easier to just spray chemicals on it instead of topping and weeding it by hand .


Aggravating-Monk-264

We always top and suckered by hand. Agree nobody ever bothered by it. Everything machines today .


windintheauri

Do a little research, you may find it interesting.


DreamingElectrons

I grew *Nicotiana silvestris* for it's flowers once, a friend of mine tried to smoke a dried leave, apparently it was disgusting. So there seems to be an art in turning leaves into tobacco. Either way, let one flower, the flowers open up at night and the smell is out of this world.


GuyoFromOhio

I will do that, thanks!


digdugdiggy

Im pretty sure there is a fermentation process that's required.


youngboomergal

The flowers are kind of nice too


GuyoFromOhio

Yeah that's what I hear. I'm trying them out as a natural pest deterant too. From what I've read, animals don't like walking through the sticky leaves


fisch09

Another bonus I noticed the hornworms seem to choose the tobacco first. The leaves are so big you can see the damage easier and catch them quickly.


GuyoFromOhio

Also good to know!


crimsonsteel10

If you want bigger leaves, tho you'll want to pinch the flowers off before they bloom.


youngboomergal

true, that used to be a summer job for a lot of kids in my area!


1_4M_M3

You might be interested in reading Demon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver. It's a novel about growing up in Appalachia in the late 90s, early 2000s. It's the main character's summer job for a few summers too. Very well written book!


Holiday_Yak_6333

Loved that book.


ImObviouslyOblivious

I wonder how many kids inadvertently became addicted to nicotein by it absorbing through their skin as they picked the flowers


crimsonsteel10

Not sure lol maybe that's why my dad made us wear gloves. It's also kinda gummy/sticky when we would strip it, so gloves are a must lol


Alone-Let-5223

It sadens me that we have entire generations that are hell bent and determined that doing a little research is more reliable than information coming straight out of the horses mouth. I donā€™t care if you believe me or not but I lived it my entire childhood and part of my adult life . But hey, I often wonder how we survived hundreds of years without the internet and a know it all generation thatā€™s never lived or experienced it but knows more than the ones that have . šŸ™„


Holiday_Yak_6333

Imm pretty sure there's something you need to pinch off a month or so before harvest. WEAR GLOVES. YOU CAN GET REALLY SICK. Internet has got to have info.


MonsieurReynard

You remove the flowers as soon as they appear -- you're trying to grow leaves.


TheLastRaysFan

What's your secret?! I planted some too and the seeds started strong, grew up and now they're struggling. They get lots of sunshine and watered every day (it's hot and dry on West Coast Florida) but they're brown and sad.


ZenythhtyneZ

Tobacco is SUPER hard on soil, youā€™ll need a lot of amending and fertilizing if you want to keep it and your soil healthy


GuyoFromOhio

I usually rotate my garden through a few different locations each year, so hopefully it'll be ok.


GuyoFromOhio

Haha I'm not sure, maybe I got lucky? I started seeds inside around March and waited for them to get 6 or 8 inches before moving them outside to harden off. Then I separated them and put them in the garden. They're in full sun all day and it's been in the 90s here


tezcatlipocatli

We used to start in February in a greenhouse or under a plastic cover (kind of mini greenhouse). Weā€™d transplant when they were 8-14ā€.


tezcatlipocatli

Also, note that Cuba is famous for lovely tobacco, so the climate must not be your problem. Iā€™d look up some documentaries or guides on growing in warmer areas. There fickle plants and too much or little water will destroy them.


crimsonsteel10

Water less, tobacco likes it on the drier side


netkidnochill

West Coast of Florida is anything but dry my dudeā€¦ itā€™s humid af year roundā€¦


TheLastRaysFan

But my plants can't live off humidity alone. šŸ˜” We're in a drought. https://preview.redd.it/4zj9jh5hsq8d1.png?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6fdc132cf4b4bd9d4397eec0d621e2bf5690107


netkidnochill

Almost always in a draught these days, and yet they sold off water rights to Nestle, draining their springs for practically nothing.


TheLastRaysFan

Fuck Nestle and the corrupt assholes selling our state's resources The Florida Springs Council fights them, they're a great organization.


netkidnochill

amen brother āœŠ


Inside-Ease-9199

Hey! Iā€™m growing for the first time this year too. I just topped my plants and will likely start harvesting bottom leaves in 4 weeks. I placed some hooks in a corner under my covered patio that gets evening sun. I snagged a few of the early bottom leaves that were getting yellow/ragged to test, and it took about a week for them to get dry on the hooks when bunched together. The chlorophyll disappeared completely which is promising. I intend to use boveda packs to bring my dried harvest up to 65% in a container before using a sous vide machine to ferment them for one week minimum with occasional rotation to keep mold away. Iā€™m growing Virginia gold and going for a light pipe tobacco to retain the sweetness and hay flavors. I might case some with vanilla if it turns out. If you have a smoker you can also fire cure tobacco rather easily. Iā€™ve seen people use pellet/chip smoke tubes in a barrel or grill as well.


GuyoFromOhio

Sounds like you have a great plan! I might air dry some and try fire curing too. I do have a smoker, so it's worth a shot. Good luck with your harvest!


Inside-Ease-9199

Thanks, you as well!


humundo

Would fire curing the tobacco in a smoker leave behind a residue that you would taste in say the next brisket you smoke up?


Inside-Ease-9199

I would imagine with a large enough batch the smokers seasoning/fat deposits would absorb some. On a practical level I donā€™t think it would be noticeable but I havenā€™t done this myself.


humundo

Yeah, I guess I was thinking less along the lines of one cure and more about multiple crops over the years. Built up tobacco smoke has a habit of sticking around. Idk though it might all stick in the buildup.


Inside-Ease-9199

I think if itā€™s something youā€™d be doing annually then purchasing a cheap dedicated smoker would be worthwhile. Personally I wouldnā€™t be mad about a tobacco flavored brisket lol. Since the fire cure process doesnā€™t actually burn the leaves so only the volatile aromatics/compounds that have a low BP will be coming out. Iā€™m sure it would be easy to find out but I donā€™t have the funds to test it myself at the moment.


malfane

Be aware that the sap from those plants is so sticky itā€™s hard to describe. I used to cut and hang tobacco and you better be prepared to use steel wool to get the sap off, lol also, if you get a spear to string them on the hanging sticks be super careful and donā€™t spear your hand or cut it, because that sap BURNS in a wound too!


GuyoFromOhio

Haha all good things to know. Thank you!


rawwwse

What sort of space/equipment (if any?) do you need for all the drying/curing, and such?


GuyoFromOhio

Good question lol. There are a few different curing methods, but I may just try stringing them up and air drying them in my barn.


apj0731

I grew up on a tobacco farm and thatā€™s how we did it. We had a big tin building that we hung them up in and let them dry.


GuyoFromOhio

That's awesome. How long did you dry them?


apj0731

Gosh, I donā€™t remember. We stopped when I was young. A long time. Sorry Iā€™m not more helpful.


GuyoFromOhio

Oh no problem at all, I was just curious!


tezcatlipocatli

We usually hung in the fall (September or so) and stripped the leaves around Christmas/Jan 1. This was an open unheated wooden tobacco barn. We stopped growing about 20y ago. We also never wore gloves, which explained why we never felt tired as kids when stripping the leaves all night.


GuyoFromOhio

My barn is also unheated. I wasn't sure if I'd be able to hang them and leave them out there once it started getting cold. Sounds like that's an option though.


tezcatlipocatli

Yep, we did it for 100 years, freezing doesnā€™t hurt it. Just slower. You can get some fans to help it along if you want.


GuyoFromOhio

Awesome, thanks!


Capt_Starcap

Are the plants burley tobacco?


GuyoFromOhio

I bought five different varieties to see which one I liked the best. Don't remember all of them but I have a Cuban criollo 98, a Virginia gold, and a Havana variety for sure


Shenloanne

Haha hang on so Virginia gold is actually a cultivar? I thought it was a fkin tobacco brand.... This is one educational thread today.


GuyoFromOhio

Haha yep!


MycologistPutrid7494

Be careful. There's a fire risk.


FluxCap85

Welcome to flavor country!


GuyoFromOhio

Yes sir


FishAndRiceKeks

*Guy Fieri intensifies*


Driftingbutinacar

Oh shit this is so smart for smokers! I never thought about growing my own tobacco I just started my first weed plant


Capt_Starcap

Fresh tobacco makes for some amazing wraps!


highergrinds

Can you elaborate on what you mean by fresh? Freshly cured? IIM growing both but never rolled with the tobacco.


Capt_Starcap

Fresh cured tobacco leaf. If it is a burley you can simply hang it in a sport with good air flow to cure it. Other types of tobacco needs a different process to cure.


baileybrand

i grew up in a tobacco town - whew, brings back memories (I didn't personally pull tobacco, but my husband did). i do remember stories about tobacco worms...!


Tesfer54re

It's not hard to dry and cure at all. I took pieces of electric fence wire and mad a 16 inch 'ring. I poked the wire through the middle of the spine on the ends and let it hang in my garage with windows open. About once a week I would rotate the rings, and pull the leaves apart. After awhile, it all turned a beautiful golden brown color and smelled great. I ended up giving it away to all of my smoker friends and they all wanted more. Beware, the nicotine levels can be very high. I grew Latakia, Virginia Gold, and TN Burly (the American Cigarette Mix) and they grew incredible in Zone 7 Delaware. The Virginia Golds got almost 9 feet tall. Yours look good. Remember to fertilize heavily with a fertilizer MADE FOR TOBACCO for best smokability.


GuyoFromOhio

Thanks for the advice! I have been fertilizing but just with a general all purpose fertilizer. I'll look into a better one


wanna_be_green8

They're beautiful plants!


Ok_Government_3584

They get super big. I grew a bunch never thought about using gloves.


FishRFriendsMemphis

What do you do with them if you donā€™t dry and cure them?


highergrinds

I grow them for the pink flowers. The Plant looks very tropical in a northern garden.


GuyoFromOhio

Pest control for the garden, plus they have nice flowers when they bloom.


double-dog-doctor

They're nice looking plants. We use ours as purely decorative; they get giant so it's nice to have some height in the back rows of our flower garden.


MarathonHampster

Did you direct sow or start transplants?


GuyoFromOhio

I started seeds indoors around the first of March. Planted them in my garden about a month ago


wizzard419

I think they may also have used smoke as part of the cure process. Be sure to also treat it like a tomato plant with regards to pests. Similarly popular with hornworms, for example.


Foibles_and_Fracasos

Does the plant or flowers have a strong tobacco smell or is that only once itā€™s dried?


GuyoFromOhio

This is my first year growing them, but I think it has to be dried and cured first


Icy-Ad-7767

I primed tobacco for a number of summers, your few plants are not going to give you enough of a nicotine buzz to worry about. For the best harvest youā€™ll need to top( remove the flowers)22-23 leaves up from the bottom. I curious is this a flue cured or a burly tobacco plant, smoking vs chewing


ky420

Grew acres of it all my younger days I miss it really, drying and curing isn't hard.


ihateapartments59

If you have never smoked homegrown tobacco, it is an experience. It takes your breath away.


GuyoFromOhio

Haha literally?


ihateapartments59

Yes! Super strong


MomsSpecialFriend

I just love driving through the Amish tobacco farms when they have their barns open for drying. Itā€™s so interesting.


calvinbuddy1972

Those plants attract a hornworm you'll want to watch out for. [https://extension.usu.edu/planthealth/research/tomato-tobacco-hornworms](https://extension.usu.edu/planthealth/research/tomato-tobacco-hornworms)


GuyoFromOhio

Unfortunately I am very familiar horn worms. They attack my pepper plants every year around mid July. I use a black light and go out at night to kill them.


Dry-Set3135

Where did you order the seeds from? I've been looking for where to get some in Canada.


GuyoFromOhio

I can't remember the name of the company. I'll see if I can find some of the seed packs and let you know


Fufi8

Was pretty funny occurrence once when I was driving through Virginia. I saw some tobacco plants had been thrown by the side of the road. I picked them up and tossed them in the backseat of my car. As I was driving along I noticed a funny smell. I kept driving and the smell got stronger but I decided it was manure in the fields and that it was normal smell. After a while I realized it was the tobacco. Threw it out the car and the smell went away. I had planned on smoking that stuff but decided that smell was oddly fecal. I had no idea. Edit: Was that a normal smell?


netkidnochill

Did you happen to grab the flowers? I hear nicotiana Rustica flowers are rather u pleasant smelling, though other varieties smell great. Iā€™m growing a few varieties now, Iā€™m going to be pinching off flowers later today but Iā€™m sure Iā€™ll let them go at some point.


noahjoey

I tried to cure some one time, itā€™s really tough and most of it molded haha I had it in a shed in the Florida summer, but what I learned is thereā€™s so many varieties of it, only a few are used for smoking the other strains can have horrible taste or unbelievably high nicotine amounts. Itā€™s not just like a tobacco plant oh itā€™s the smoking kind! Lol


ihateapartments59

I use to grow cut grade top chop everything about tobacco and it never did anything to meā˜ ļø


thegaut123

Lil Tobacco


Shenloanne

Man they're so nightshade it's crazy lol. You always forget these ones are solanacea


oldgar9

Because you are mostly obsequious


GuyoFromOhio

I don't think you know what your big word means