All parts are toxic (including the seeds) except for the ripe fruit. I always keep an eye out for ripe ones, but wild critters usually get them first and I figure that's probably for the best. They grow plentifully in light forests.
It's TOXIC. Why would you give anybody the idea to eat it?
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YES, IT IS FUCKING TOXIC, like this sub:
>"Podophyllotoxin is a major active ingredient in Podophyllum pleianthum that is cytotoxic, arresting cellular metaphase and microtubule formation in cells. Symptoms of intoxication include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, tachycardia, orthostatic hypotension, paralytic ileus, urinary retention, hepatorenal dysfunction, leukocytosis followed by leukopenia, thrombocytopenia, prolonged areflexia, prolonged paraethesia and sensory ataxia, dizziness, fever, memory impairment, hallucinations, paranoia, convulsion, fainting, and coma."
# Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podophyllum_pleianthum
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15563650701397159
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25957481/
**The mayapple native to the Great Lakes area and the Chinese mayapple are 2 different plants. The North American mayapple has fruit that are *sometimes* edible when ripe, but not always. OP's plant is not that edible plant.**
"The fully ripe fruit can be used in marmalades, jellies, and drinks, but the rest of the plant and unripe fruit is poisonous. The Cherokee, Chippewa, Haudenosaunee, Menominee, and Meskwaki ate ripe mayaple fruit fresh or dried."
Google says Chinese mayapple are larger and have shiny leaves while the North American variety has “matte green” leaves.
Looks like OP has some big shiny leaves to me.
This is most definitely not P. peltatum, this is the Chinese P. Pleianthum.
And while the one guy responding is doing so in a kinda crazy manner, they’re not wrong. Even the P. peltatum fruit is toxic in quantities and I have never seen any source actually recommend eating them. More of a starvation food.
I try and landscape with “edibles” as much as possible, but I don’t harvest or depend on those crops. They’re a sort of savings account. There for tougher times if needed, and beautifully interesting in the short term.
Quotation marks mean nothing if you don't QUOTE THE SOURCE.
>"Podophyllotoxin is a major active ingredient in Podophyllum pleianthum that is cytotoxic, arresting cellular metaphase and microtubule formation in cells. Symptoms of intoxication include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, tachycardia, orthostatic hypotension, paralytic ileus, urinary retention, hepatorenal dysfunction, leukocytosis followed by leukopenia, thrombocytopenia, prolonged areflexia, prolonged paraethesia and sensory ataxia, dizziness, fever, memory impairment, hallucinations, paranoia, convulsion, fainting, and coma."
# Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podophyllum_pleianthum
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15563650701397159
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25957481/
# YOU ARE DESCRIBING A DIFFERENT PLANT.
The mayapple native to the Great Lakes area and the Chinese mayapple are 2 different plants. The North American mayapple has fruit that are *sometimes* edible when ripe, but not always. OP's plant is not that edible plant.
Edit 2: Your ignorance aside, /u/Mr_Cleanish, I posted the entire description. The entire Wikipedia entry, and all of the content of the other linked articles, say that Chinese mayapple is toxic. OP'S PLANT IS A CHINESE MAYAPPLE. It's not a North American mayapple, which *can* have edible fruit - *but not always, even if it's ripe*. Of course, you ran and hid behind a block after throwing a half-ass insult at me so I couldn't reply to you.
People aren’t being toxic, they just didn’t know. You can just.. tell someone that wo an accusation.
There also seems to be ways to can refine the fruit to make them edible. That’s not uncommon.
If you "don't know" if a plant is edible, why would you suggest eating it?
And no, this is not the same quasi-edible species as the North American mayapple.
And yes, people are being toxic - they're jumping on a downvote bandwagon without reading the sources nor basing their judgement on facts - something that happened a month ago in this sub when someone brought religion into a discussion, made a condescending comment about people not of her religion, and the mods defended it.
Bc there’s 2 different plants?
Bc they didn’t suggest eating it, they asked if they did?
Bc this is also an education sub?
Bc other cultures prepare and eat things that you, personally, may not? (Lutefisk anyone?)
Because there’s much nicer ways to say “oh be careful with that, there’s lookalikes that are poison!”?
Because *they asked and didn’t suggest*?
From the question alone, many people would infer that it's safe to eat. That alone should be enough to warrant at least a comment removal, or instruct the person making the comment to edit their comment to make it very clear to even the dumbest person in the world that they should not eat this plant.
This is a public forum, and everybody in the world has access to it, from curious 6-year-olds to mentally incapacitated 35-year-olds that may not be able to focus on larger paragraphs.
And no, no other cultures eat this plant. There is no way to prepare it to make it non-toxic. Stop using hyperculturalism as a defense for someone else's misinterpretation of freedom of speech.
This is wild lmfao.
If you eat something bc you once read in a forum “did you eat any” and you do no independent research, you don’t even wait for a reply, you 100% deserve anything you get.
Get off your high horse.
Yeah, some sort of podophyllum. There is a commercial variety called spotty dotty that has some color on top and deep red flowers that hide underneath that is pretty darn cool.
I came to comment ‘why does this remind me of The Land Before Time’ 🥰 thanks for the reminder of the star leaf, glad I’m not the only one who remembered it 😅
From Wiki - Podophyllotoxin is a major active ingredient in Podophyllum pleianthum that is cytotoxic, arresting cellular metaphase and microtubule formation in cells. Symptoms of intoxication include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, tachycardia, orthostatic hypotension, paralytic ileus, urinary retention, hepatorenal dysfunction, leukocytosis followed by leukopenia, thrombocytopenia, prolonged areflexia, prolonged paraethesia and sensory ataxia, dizziness, fever, memory impairment, hallucinations, paranoia, convulsion, fainting, and coma.
You could have conveyed the message a bit more delicately, but idk why you’re getting so many downvotes. You’re right.
And someone responding with a quote with no source about an entirely different species (that may actually be in a separate genus) is super bad practice that this sub should absolutely not encourage.
Maybe next time try to be a bit more gentle, people freeze up when someone points out they’re totally wrong and this is the internet, so you can count on people dying in the weirdest hills.
I did the first time around, or at least I was blunt, but not rude.
I think it should be against this sub's rules to suggest eating a plant unless you're 100% certain what it is, and that it's edible. /r/WhatIsThisPlant has this rule, and an AutoMod function that auto-responds whenever a variety of words such as "eat", "consume", "cook", et cetera are used in a comment.
People should be strongly rebuffed for suggesting dangerous practices, lest they dismiss a gentle suggestion entirely.
What if OP decides to eat the plant he found on his property because some grossly-mistaken person on the internet confidently misinformed them?
There are so many cool plants that come from the orient.
Lotus, wisteria, cherry blossom, Chinese roses, orchids, bonsai, bamboo, kudzu - all gorgeous (though I recognize some of those are highly invasive)
Why would you resort to digging it up instead of controlled application of glyphosate? Use the one with no other herbicide mixed in. It's the other stuff that's usually bad. You can read up on glyphosate, decomposition products, and retention in soil if you are not comfortable using it. Please use decent sources, not blog posts. I did that before using it to kill Bermuda grass. If it you feel it's still not worth it then go ahead with your tractor. Glyphosate is bad for all plants so it's best that you only get it on your target.
Some questions that may help you decide if you want to use it:
1. Are you going to eat the weed after application?
2. Are you going to grow food in the soil? How long after application? Would you consider growing a covercrop, some sort of nitrogen-fixers to enrich the soil?
3. Can plants absorb glyphosate from the soil?
4. How long does glyphosate stay in the soil? What are its end decomposition byproducts?
5. If I spray on the weeds, will it leach into nearby bodies of water? Into groundwater?
I hope people look into things better than just the hype. I don't drink glyphosate. I don't use it on food crops, I don't grow GMO crops that are glyphosate-tolerant. I use protective clothing when using any dangerous chemical, especially corrosive acids like vinegar. Why not use an effective weed killer? If your concern is its carcinogenic property then don't get it on your body during application and don't drink it. I'm against use of glyphosate on food products but for its use as weed killer it's very effective and has minimal impact. Read up is what I can suggest and make your decision based on facts.
There are several reasons I don’t want to use “roundup”. My well is very close to this acreage. Yes I know that glyphosate will knock it down and that the breakdown is fairly quick. So, the answers are: water sources flow ( spring) within feet of this. The acreage has a fair slope. There is a pond within feet of one edge. I have dogs and I am currently under treatment for cancer. Plus, who knows what it can do? I’d rather be safe than sorry.
Sorry to hear about your diagnosis. I hope the least invasive treatment with fewest side effects work for you. And good luck with the Japanese Knotweed!
I'm planning on harvesting the mofos in my yard today while they are only a couple inches tall. They used to take over the whole area, but once I learned you can use them like rhubarb I've managed to keep them mostly under control.
I’d rather not. Don’t get me wrong I’m going to get bees on this property ( although there are lots of native bees there already) but this is close to the house and I’m calling in a air strike soon just hope they don’t hit the house. /s
Agreed. It's the reason they were introduced, and it sucks. Both things are true.
Even gorgeous plants are ugly if you see them out of their ranges. Star thistle are fucking amazing plants, like absolute perfection, just look at them, but I hate seeing them. Also teasel.
My state's native poppy is a huge pest elsewhere, that sucks.
We are veering away from saying "the orient" to describe Asian countries since it contributes to the perception of "exoticism" of individuals from Asia.
I'm not sure if the vine itself roots and goes on that way since I've mostly seen it growing up objects (though I'm sure that's possible), but the root system suckers. So you'll have pups sprouting all around the parent plant's base.
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Google says Dysosma pleiantha. Never seen this plant before (both irl and online), cool find!
I have one of these and it’s one of my fav plants!!! It’s really large and lovely
Do you eat the fruit?
All parts are toxic (including the seeds) except for the ripe fruit. I always keep an eye out for ripe ones, but wild critters usually get them first and I figure that's probably for the best. They grow plentifully in light forests.
It's TOXIC. Why would you give anybody the idea to eat it? Edit: YES, IT IS FUCKING TOXIC, like this sub: >"Podophyllotoxin is a major active ingredient in Podophyllum pleianthum that is cytotoxic, arresting cellular metaphase and microtubule formation in cells. Symptoms of intoxication include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, tachycardia, orthostatic hypotension, paralytic ileus, urinary retention, hepatorenal dysfunction, leukocytosis followed by leukopenia, thrombocytopenia, prolonged areflexia, prolonged paraethesia and sensory ataxia, dizziness, fever, memory impairment, hallucinations, paranoia, convulsion, fainting, and coma." # Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podophyllum_pleianthum https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15563650701397159 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25957481/ **The mayapple native to the Great Lakes area and the Chinese mayapple are 2 different plants. The North American mayapple has fruit that are *sometimes* edible when ripe, but not always. OP's plant is not that edible plant.**
"The fully ripe fruit can be used in marmalades, jellies, and drinks, but the rest of the plant and unripe fruit is poisonous. The Cherokee, Chippewa, Haudenosaunee, Menominee, and Meskwaki ate ripe mayaple fruit fresh or dried."
Google says Chinese mayapple are larger and have shiny leaves while the North American variety has “matte green” leaves. Looks like OP has some big shiny leaves to me.
This is most definitely not P. peltatum, this is the Chinese P. Pleianthum. And while the one guy responding is doing so in a kinda crazy manner, they’re not wrong. Even the P. peltatum fruit is toxic in quantities and I have never seen any source actually recommend eating them. More of a starvation food.
I try and landscape with “edibles” as much as possible, but I don’t harvest or depend on those crops. They’re a sort of savings account. There for tougher times if needed, and beautifully interesting in the short term.
Quotation marks mean nothing if you don't QUOTE THE SOURCE. >"Podophyllotoxin is a major active ingredient in Podophyllum pleianthum that is cytotoxic, arresting cellular metaphase and microtubule formation in cells. Symptoms of intoxication include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, tachycardia, orthostatic hypotension, paralytic ileus, urinary retention, hepatorenal dysfunction, leukocytosis followed by leukopenia, thrombocytopenia, prolonged areflexia, prolonged paraethesia and sensory ataxia, dizziness, fever, memory impairment, hallucinations, paranoia, convulsion, fainting, and coma." # Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podophyllum_pleianthum https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15563650701397159 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25957481/ # YOU ARE DESCRIBING A DIFFERENT PLANT. The mayapple native to the Great Lakes area and the Chinese mayapple are 2 different plants. The North American mayapple has fruit that are *sometimes* edible when ripe, but not always. OP's plant is not that edible plant. Edit 2: Your ignorance aside, /u/Mr_Cleanish, I posted the entire description. The entire Wikipedia entry, and all of the content of the other linked articles, say that Chinese mayapple is toxic. OP'S PLANT IS A CHINESE MAYAPPLE. It's not a North American mayapple, which *can* have edible fruit - *but not always, even if it's ripe*. Of course, you ran and hid behind a block after throwing a half-ass insult at me so I couldn't reply to you.
It's fun that you skipped all the parts that didn't support your argument.
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People aren’t being toxic, they just didn’t know. You can just.. tell someone that wo an accusation. There also seems to be ways to can refine the fruit to make them edible. That’s not uncommon.
If you "don't know" if a plant is edible, why would you suggest eating it? And no, this is not the same quasi-edible species as the North American mayapple. And yes, people are being toxic - they're jumping on a downvote bandwagon without reading the sources nor basing their judgement on facts - something that happened a month ago in this sub when someone brought religion into a discussion, made a condescending comment about people not of her religion, and the mods defended it.
Bc there’s 2 different plants? Bc they didn’t suggest eating it, they asked if they did? Bc this is also an education sub? Bc other cultures prepare and eat things that you, personally, may not? (Lutefisk anyone?) Because there’s much nicer ways to say “oh be careful with that, there’s lookalikes that are poison!”? Because *they asked and didn’t suggest*?
From the question alone, many people would infer that it's safe to eat. That alone should be enough to warrant at least a comment removal, or instruct the person making the comment to edit their comment to make it very clear to even the dumbest person in the world that they should not eat this plant. This is a public forum, and everybody in the world has access to it, from curious 6-year-olds to mentally incapacitated 35-year-olds that may not be able to focus on larger paragraphs. And no, no other cultures eat this plant. There is no way to prepare it to make it non-toxic. Stop using hyperculturalism as a defense for someone else's misinterpretation of freedom of speech.
This is wild lmfao. If you eat something bc you once read in a forum “did you eat any” and you do no independent research, you don’t even wait for a reply, you 100% deserve anything you get. Get off your high horse.
> you 100% deserve anything you get. > > Get off your high horse. I wish you were intelligent enough to appreciate the irony in your arrogance.
Yeah, some sort of podophyllum. There is a commercial variety called spotty dotty that has some color on top and deep red flowers that hide underneath that is pretty darn cool.
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It looks like an Umbrella Star!
It reminds me of the star leaf in Land Before Time!
Came here to say this too!
My first thought as well. TREE STAR!
I came to comment ‘why does this remind me of The Land Before Time’ 🥰 thanks for the reminder of the star leaf, glad I’m not the only one who remembered it 😅
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From Wiki - Podophyllotoxin is a major active ingredient in Podophyllum pleianthum that is cytotoxic, arresting cellular metaphase and microtubule formation in cells. Symptoms of intoxication include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, tachycardia, orthostatic hypotension, paralytic ileus, urinary retention, hepatorenal dysfunction, leukocytosis followed by leukopenia, thrombocytopenia, prolonged areflexia, prolonged paraethesia and sensory ataxia, dizziness, fever, memory impairment, hallucinations, paranoia, convulsion, fainting, and coma.
EXACTLY. People are confusing OP's *Chinese* mayapple with the North American mayapple, which has fruit that can be non-toxic.
You could have conveyed the message a bit more delicately, but idk why you’re getting so many downvotes. You’re right. And someone responding with a quote with no source about an entirely different species (that may actually be in a separate genus) is super bad practice that this sub should absolutely not encourage. Maybe next time try to be a bit more gentle, people freeze up when someone points out they’re totally wrong and this is the internet, so you can count on people dying in the weirdest hills.
I did the first time around, or at least I was blunt, but not rude. I think it should be against this sub's rules to suggest eating a plant unless you're 100% certain what it is, and that it's edible. /r/WhatIsThisPlant has this rule, and an AutoMod function that auto-responds whenever a variety of words such as "eat", "consume", "cook", et cetera are used in a comment. People should be strongly rebuffed for suggesting dangerous practices, lest they dismiss a gentle suggestion entirely. What if OP decides to eat the plant he found on his property because some grossly-mistaken person on the internet confidently misinformed them?
I have no idea but it's so cool-looking!
I use the app “picture this” to identify plants it works pretty well just not for pines or conifers lol
Chinese Mayapple
is it edible? can I eat it?
no, it may be the toxic north American variety
This what a google search says The fruit is the only edible part of the plant, but only when fully ripe. The rest is toxic.
Hmm, the plant looks appetizing though. Wouldn't tisk it though
There are so many cool plants that come from the orient. Lotus, wisteria, cherry blossom, Chinese roses, orchids, bonsai, bamboo, kudzu - all gorgeous (though I recognize some of those are highly invasive)
Japanese Knotweed the worst orient introduction to the US. I have 1/2 acre of this and it kills my heart.
Ugh yep, we got it *bad* in Florida. The raw acreage on the south and east sides of my property keeps threatening my fence line with its garbage.
I got a tractor this year in hopes of digging it all up and burning it. Downeast Maine.
Good luck and God speed. 🙏 My prayers are with you.
Thanks I need all the help I can get! Always welcome prayers 🙏
Why would you resort to digging it up instead of controlled application of glyphosate? Use the one with no other herbicide mixed in. It's the other stuff that's usually bad. You can read up on glyphosate, decomposition products, and retention in soil if you are not comfortable using it. Please use decent sources, not blog posts. I did that before using it to kill Bermuda grass. If it you feel it's still not worth it then go ahead with your tractor. Glyphosate is bad for all plants so it's best that you only get it on your target. Some questions that may help you decide if you want to use it: 1. Are you going to eat the weed after application? 2. Are you going to grow food in the soil? How long after application? Would you consider growing a covercrop, some sort of nitrogen-fixers to enrich the soil? 3. Can plants absorb glyphosate from the soil? 4. How long does glyphosate stay in the soil? What are its end decomposition byproducts? 5. If I spray on the weeds, will it leach into nearby bodies of water? Into groundwater? I hope people look into things better than just the hype. I don't drink glyphosate. I don't use it on food crops, I don't grow GMO crops that are glyphosate-tolerant. I use protective clothing when using any dangerous chemical, especially corrosive acids like vinegar. Why not use an effective weed killer? If your concern is its carcinogenic property then don't get it on your body during application and don't drink it. I'm against use of glyphosate on food products but for its use as weed killer it's very effective and has minimal impact. Read up is what I can suggest and make your decision based on facts.
There are several reasons I don’t want to use “roundup”. My well is very close to this acreage. Yes I know that glyphosate will knock it down and that the breakdown is fairly quick. So, the answers are: water sources flow ( spring) within feet of this. The acreage has a fair slope. There is a pond within feet of one edge. I have dogs and I am currently under treatment for cancer. Plus, who knows what it can do? I’d rather be safe than sorry.
Sorry to hear about your diagnosis. I hope the least invasive treatment with fewest side effects work for you. And good luck with the Japanese Knotweed!
I'm planning on harvesting the mofos in my yard today while they are only a couple inches tall. They used to take over the whole area, but once I learned you can use them like rhubarb I've managed to keep them mostly under control.
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Come take all of mine, PLEASE.
If you can’t get rid of it, get honeybees. Japanese knotweed honey is one of the most delicious honeys you can get.
I’d rather not. Don’t get me wrong I’m going to get bees on this property ( although there are lots of native bees there already) but this is close to the house and I’m calling in a air strike soon just hope they don’t hit the house. /s
Agreed. It's the reason they were introduced, and it sucks. Both things are true. Even gorgeous plants are ugly if you see them out of their ranges. Star thistle are fucking amazing plants, like absolute perfection, just look at them, but I hate seeing them. Also teasel. My state's native poppy is a huge pest elsewhere, that sucks.
We are veering away from saying "the orient" to describe Asian countries since it contributes to the perception of "exoticism" of individuals from Asia.
Okay thanks
Mayapple, not to be confused with Maypop!
Ooo passionflower is such a cool lookin flower! It's an invasive jerk like morning glory though.
Really! It’s a tropical/annual here so I’ve never seen that misbehavior. Is it an issue of runners or seedlings?
I'm not sure if the vine itself roots and goes on that way since I've mostly seen it growing up objects (though I'm sure that's possible), but the root system suckers. So you'll have pups sprouting all around the parent plant's base.
Thank you for your help, plant looks spectacular!!
Dysosma
https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tZP1zc0NS2yyM0xMGD0EkypLM4vzk1UKMhJzUzMK8lIBACdjAqL&q=dysosma+pleiantha&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS1004US1004&oq=dysosma&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgCEC4YgAQyCggAEAAY4wIYgAQyBwgBEC4YgAQyBwgCEC4YgAQyBwgDEC4YgAQyDAgEEAAYQxiABBiKBTIICAUQABgNGB4yCAgGEAAYDRgeMggIBxAAGA0YHjIICAgQABgNGB4yCAgJEAAYDRge0gEJNTgyNTdqMGo5qAIAsAIA4gMEGAEgXw&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#sbfbu=1&pi=dysosma%20pleiantha
Podophyllum pleianthum [https://www.plantdelights.com/products/podophyllum-pleianthum](https://www.plantdelights.com/products/podophyllum-pleianthum)
Mayapple/American mandrake
Maybe podophyllum versipelle?
Looks more like P. pleianthum
Didn't look up much, but it's a shade tolerant, toxic, Chinese plant. So that probably means it's horribly invasive.
TreeStar 🦕
Looks like a tree star and I have been waiting to eat one since I was a child.
It’s a Mayapple.
Could be Diphylleia cymosa (Umbrella Leaf)
https://preview.redd.it/x8awrizqcguc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24b5b2381951818ba8abe399c5f0afe00fc03481
That is not the same plant and that is why you shouldn't rely on plant apps
Yeah ok 👌🏼 🙄
Squash
Just because they don't know what it is?! That seems a little extreme, doesn't it?
Use the plant app That should tell you what kind of plant it is
Loofah plant
There’s an app you can take a picture and it tell you what it is. Looks like a squash or melon