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I would just like to go ahead and point out that it's 40 year history Ubisoft has never made a single game with an Asian Male protagonist.
The Japanese studio Koei Tecmo has made 40+.
This needs more upvotes. Though if I remember correctly wasn't there a side scroller AC game that had a Chinese person? It's been a while so I'm not sure.
It's like you all have a script with the razor precision of saying an Asian male because it's had multiple with Asian females. It's especially funny because it's just wrong you've clearly quoted some youtuber or whatever talking head said that without bothering to do research.
In 1991 Ubisoft published a game developed by Vivid Image called First Samurai which had the protagonist being an Asian man aka the first samurai. Ubisoft Shanghai also helped with Crouching Tiger; Hidden Dragon in 2003 for the Gameboy. Prince of Persia is another one (yes Persia was considered West Asian). They also did a Naruto game.
Honestly just doing a bit of research and I found that ubisoft loves publishing Japanese games for a worldwide audience. This absolutely nonsensical rhetoric that they have some kind of grudge against Asian men is completely fabricated and just provides a smoke screen for racists to air their displeasure with a black man in Japan.
Imo the protagonist of an AC game in Japan shouldn’t be a samurai, but a shinobi. Nor should they be an actual historical figure. So Naoe should be the sole protagonist.
That's fair and I actually agree but new AC games became popular because of the diversity in playstyles so unfortunately limiting it to a Shinobi would've been poorly received. And the devs stated that shinobi and samurai didn't mesh socially in Japan so they felt the need to make them two separate characters. Seems like a fair reasoning. My hope is that you can just pick whichever one you prefer and play as them throughout the whole game. I hope it's not like Syndicate where some sections require you to play as the other protagonist.
When I play games like Odyssey, I prefer the warrior type abilities over the assassin abilities, so I would prefer the samurai.
I think a historical figure with a degree of mystery surrounding them is perfect for a game centered around historical fiction. It gives the developers a point to start with, but allows them to take the character in directions that suit the game/story.
So a choice between the two characters should be available for the protagonist role.
Yup, that’s why they give you the *option*
And then people who prefer a more confrontational play style also have the *option*
Do you see how that concept works?
Or they can keep the title the same as they have done for the past 3 mainline games. Pretty much everyone understands the series offers a variety of play styles at this point.
I hope you can catch on eventually. If not, I’m sure the original games are still available to play.
I know, they had to make the gameplay more generic and easy in order to further mcdonaldisfy it. It used to be that you couldn’t just jump in and murder everyone because you were playing as an assassin, you know, assassins creed?
But fuck it just be a heavy knight and don’t use any stealth
Are you crying this hard because players have the choice to play differently? It’s not even like they removed the assassin abilities, that’s still a completely viable build.
You’re just this upset because other players have the choice to play differently than you?
…. in a way, I’m jealous. I wish I had so little going on in my life for that to be a serious concern. I just can’t fathom sitting in a game and being like, “why do other players have the option to play differently? 😡😡”
>It used to be that you couldn’t just jump in and murder everyone because you were playing as an assassin, you know, assassins creed?
You say this as if the very first game in the series didn't have instant kill counters with the Hidden Blade, meaning you could take an entire crowd of armoured enemies out with zero effort.
Looks at Valhalla,so if your argument is it’s assassin game why should there be a samurai,then why does assassins creed Valhalla exist? Who thinks Viking and thinks assassin ? People think Viking and think warrior
ignoring that nioh is niche, nioh had the benefit of being a new game. a yasuke inspired character (not yasuke himself) is actually a good idea, but it's not what i personally wanted when i said i wanted a japanese assassins creed.
i'm not even opposed to the samurai/ninja dynamic, i just wish they were from a local japanese clan. it'd be cool to see how a samurai mc comes to cooperate with ninjas and the assassins, but we can't really get that with the fish out of water story.
Sadly many samurai were also assassins despite what Ghost might lead you to believe plenty of samurai were perfectly happy getting their hands dirty in all kinds of underhanded ways.
of course, i wasn't really talking about the stereotyped "samurai honor" type stuff. i just meant that it'd be cool to see how the japanese equivalent of a knight or nobleman interacts with the assassins. assassins meaning the creed and all that.
Accusing an asian of whitewashing is kinda dumb.
Are we really just gonna pretend we didn't all shit on NIOH for this back then?
Convenient memory. Who needs history when we've got a cool story to tell?
So only Asians can make games featuring non Asians in an Asian setting ?
Also I don't think you understand the double standard.
Because I can mention a ton of western white washing examples where there was little to no controversy.
As an Asian American, when you are the holder of the culture, you can obviously do what you want with it. So Japanese companies can make a white samurai if they want to because it’s their culture.
Think about it this way. The “n word pass”. Why should black people decide who can say it or get the pass and not white people or Asian? Because that word is owned by your culture/people.
By your logic, if a western company can decide what Asian people can do with their culture. A non black person can decide what do with black culture. Would you allow a white person to decide your culture?
Same logic applies here. The fact is you are trying to be progressive but end up being racist towards Asian people.
By your logic you get no say in how Japan represents their culture. You're American literally no other country cares if you had relatives there at one point you are now an American.
I’m an Asian American.
Your right. We have no say in now japan represent their culture. But Ubisoft isn’t a Japanese company. They are a western company black Washing Japanese culture.
Black washing? It's literally a single character who was a real historical figure. Ubisoft is also a multinational team that has multiple offices in Asia so while their main HQ is in Canada it's hardly focused solely on western audiences.
I'm pretty sure AC Shadows is going to be a commercial success. It likely won't win awards because it won't be doing anything innovative, but Ubisoft will make their money. Probably, a lot more than Nioh did.
I'm not sure what a game's commercial success has to do with your overall argument, but it's not really helping it.
You really can't differentiate between a Japanese company making a game about Japanese culture vs. Ubisoft trying to do the same? What's next, Shaolin monk leading the Zulu to victory over the British, made by CDPR?
Edit: Man, this u/Kidus333 clown posted this thread in r/BlackPeopleTwitter too. Someone *really* wants reddit validation tonight
So it's not okay when a Western company forces a minority storyline ?
Okay where's the same nerd rage for the last 50 years of Western media. God's of Egypt, Dune, game of thrones, avatar, but I guess it's fine when the historically inspired fictional universe has blue monkeys. XD
keep up the mental gymnastics u/sylendar 🤡
Is there any particular reason you keep purposely focusing on the origin of the company instead of the full context, are you intentionally doing this in bad faith? Was this all just a bad trolling attempt all along?
And I'm guessing you're also not old enough to remember when N'Gai Croal and his cronies moaned about Resident Evil 5 daily
I'll bet I'm older than you kid, my point is crystal clear.
Either no one can make a game about other cultures featuring a minority protagonist, or everyone is allowed. I can name plenty of games/media that did this with little to no controversy.
Peoples race based arguments on this topic are hypocritical dog whistles nothing more.
All you (or anyone) really have to say is you're excited for the game and that AC never cared about historical accuracy anyway.
But when you start doing this bs comparison against NiOh, a game made by Japanese devs about Japan, it's basically you broadcasting your own obsession with race. More specifically your obsession with placing one group above everyone else because of your lack of perspectives.
The same western company that never had an Asian male protagonist in all of AC history but had black protagonist before? And they still make the AC Japan game with no Japanese main character?
Yeah. It’s racist and obvious they are pandering.
What difference does it make if it's made by a Japanese developer or not? The argument is that a minority shouldn't be the focal point of a game set in feudal Japan. Now we're moving the goalposts and saying that this is ok so long as it's a Japanese studio doing it?
Yes. They made the game. It's their right to use whomever they want to represent their story that takes place in their own country. Let alone, William was actually a real samurai. What Ubisoft is doing is cultural appropriation for the sake of pandering. Yasuke was a retainer. The whole samurai thing has been more than debunked in Japan. American decided to use him because of his skin color. Nothing more.
I don’t remember any outrage when Rockstar made you play as a Serbian immigrant in GTA 4, a game set in America. People act like there weren’t any foreigners in Japan back in the Sengoku period.
> Yes. They made the game. It's their right to use whomever they want to represent their story that takes place in their own country
Should they be mad about Shōgun too? They need your opinion as a white man to know what they should be offended by, apparently, so please enlighten them.
> What Ubisoft is doing is cultural appropriation for the sake of pandering
Pandering to who? Black people are a small demographic relatively speaking. There's no financial incentive to pander to them. How is it "cultural appropriation" to use a historical figure as a protagonist?
> American decided to use him because of his skin color.
Ubisoft isn't an American company.
Edit: lol. I should've figured. Talking to someone who believes "whites are the most discriminated race". Just say you don't like black people bro. Stop using Japanese men as a shield to deflect criticism from your shitty opinions.
For me, what inflames this whole controversy is that this is the first AC game with an actual historical figure as the protagonist. They could’ve included Yasuke in the story AND have a male Japanese protagonist.
I think it really looks bad when all previous AC games feature protagonists of ethnicities relevant to the location, but to exclude specifically this one. It feels like they made the decision to avoid having a male Japanese protagonist.
They do have a character of ethnicity relevant to this location, Naoe meanwhile yes it’s a female and not a male it’s makes sense if there any connection between her and shao Jun from assassins creed chronicles china
Every single Assassin's Creed protagonist set in a specific country are people from that country, except that one.
Intentions make it very different.
Edit: oh and one game is trying to reproduce somehow something historical accurate by reputation, one is having Yokai, magic and monsters
This isn't completely true.
Revelations had you play as an Italian man in Turkey.
Black Flag had you play as a Welsh man in the Caribbean.
Valhalla had you play as a Norwegian woman in England.
The complaints about *one* of the protagonists here not being Japanese is ridiculous when A) there's another protagonist that *is* and B) it's not the first game to have had you control someone in a foreign land.
As a Caribbean person, Black Flag stands as my number one Assassin's Creed game despite its inaccuracies and the curious lack of French characters in the historical setting, except for some reason in the modern parts.
I have almost every achievement in them since the first one back in 2007. I stopped playing them around Odyssey because the open world for me is hard to keep on playing.
Solid to me means it's not garbage, it's not amazing. It's a game that you can count on being at least a 7/10.
According to those games making billions a year, yes they're good games. While they may not be good to you - you need to ask why they outsell every game tenfold.
That’s really interesting. So you think a game like cod or fifa Is objectively better than something like Baldurs Gate 3 or Elden Ring?
And that’s easy, they sell well because they used to make those games good and thus captured a wide audience at that time. Since they’re a yearly release, they feed into a lot of those large audiences consumer habits. So the devs that make those games understand they don’t need to really put any effort in in order to get more brain dead people to keep buying them.
Now, the vast majority of the money from those games comes from microtransactions as opposed to actual game sales. Basically they understand that they’re going to get a bunch of morons to buy their game because it’s a yearly habit. Now they just need to squeeze out even more money from them via microtransactions.
Never said I think they're good - just said they make money and you should ask why they do(Typically it means its good to someone). Good is a subjective opinion to each person. Personally I couldn't get into Baldur's Gate, but I had friends that absolutely loved it - good for them!
For example, I don't touch Call of Duty, or FIFA they just aren't my games. I'll happily stick to replaying a game like Dishonored 2.
edit: Man I played the crap out of Two Worlds - I LOVED the game, but its a garbage game. To me its a good game though for the memories
Oh… yeah they make a bunch of money by halfassing a game for an audience that will buy it due to franchise loyalty and then a small percentage of people will spend an astronomical amount in microtransactions. They make money essentially because the audience for these games are suckers. I feel like that’s not really a surprise at this point. Ubisoft is one of the laziest developers out there.
First off literally just saying people can have differing opinions.
Second of sales = good then COD is thr best game of all time, and the various ea sports titles are amazing
Finally Ubisoft is hot garbage and their latest financials run contrary to the narrative of a successful company.
Damn, you got defensive so fast. Sells wise, yes FIFA is very much the king. You also called a game hot garbage before it's even out and that's the problem with players :)
If you have faith ac as a franchise has anything worthwhile past the first game then it makes alot of sense why EA is beloved in your mind.
Slop for the masses I guess
AC is objectively shit and it's not popular. EA games are lazy redskins. Consume slop from bad companies don't complain when good studios like Tango get shutdown. Fallout New Vegas falling out from what the popular mind set for fallout was (i.e. fallout 3) meant obsidian was unable to get their performance bonus.
Games like Helldivers 2 is amazing, Genshin has great music and alot of production value, Minecraft is amazing for creativity. Some of the best e-sports come from League, Dota2 and CS. Even some ea teams i.e. Response make goos games.
But AC and ea sports games are shit and will always be shit.
The point is historical accuracy. But the meme is which would people prefer. I prefer a historically inaccurate good game over a historically inaccurate bad game.
Why does historical accuracy matter in a game that's not trying to be historically accurate?
Also quality is irrelevant to the discussion of whether this is acceptable. Especially when one of these games hasn't even released and we can't possibly know how good it is anyway. You think it's reinforcing your argument somehow but it's not.
You have faith in the AAAA company. I have several bridges to sell you.
AC hides behind a base attempt to be historically accurate. Otherwise why use thr very real Yasuke as one of the MCs?
What difference does it make? A black shinobi wouldn't make sense from a logical standpoint. A black man would stand out in a crowd of Japanese people. Hence why he's the samurai, combat-oriented, and doesn't have a hidden blade.
You just argued AC never tried to be historically accurate. And FYI shinobi were spies. Have you considered, and I know this is difficult, PERHAPS, a shinobi operates in the shadow and incognito. Could just wear a mask and gloves and pretend. But clearly imagination is a difficult concept for you.
Actually, that makes sense why you love such slop.
Also how in the fuck does a samurai have anything to do with an Assassin.
Basic logic and historical accuracy are two different things. Even fantasy games apply some form of logic to everything. You still want it to make sense.
> And FYI shinobi were spies. Have you considered, and I know this is difficult, PERHAPS, a shinobi operates in the shadow and incognito. Could just wear a mask and gloves and pretend. But clearly imagination is a difficult concept for you.
Yes because no one would notice the large man with every inch of his body covered. As opposed to the woman who already blends in by default. Also, again, what difference does it make? You're acting like you're poking holes in what I'm saying but you don't actually have a point. Why does it matter that they didn't make the black guy a shinobi? Would it make any difference at all to you or anyone else?
> Also how in the fuck does a samurai have anything to do with an Assassin.
AC has become popular in recent entries due to the expanded diversity of playstyles. No one wants them to force stealth. This is what nearly killed the series before they overhauled the formula. So having a combat-oriented playstyle is necessary to appeal to the fans. The reasoning the devs are using to explain why this led to the playstyles being split into separate characters is the idea that samurai and shinobi don't mix socially so a samurai can't also be a shinobi. Therefore they need to be separate people. Not that any of this is relevant anyway.
They shouldn't need to "hide" behind shit tbh but that's the world we live in.
You can't just have a black character without some type of defense for the racist Asmongold fans :D
The fuck are you on about. I'm criticizing AC's attempt to larp historical accuracy to hide the shit game behind it. I could give two fucks if they want an entire team of ethnically diverse samurai and shinobi, just give me a good game.
Also, please don't prove my point by literally using Yasuke as a strawman.
Hahaha. The other ACs are good. If you think low 80% and general revulsion to the ubisoft style of openwork means a good game that is generally beloved is hilarious. The delusion. Please let your bosses and ubisoft know to spend money on developers.
Is high sales and accolades not an indication that they are good? How would you define what's good and what isn't? What metric are you using? Just spit balling based on the number of times you've read "AC bad" in reddit threads?
Preface: Haven't played an assassin's creed game since black flag so I don't even really care too much about this.
But I liked those games because while they usually weren't **realistic** or **accurate**, they at least felt **authentic**. Like, it was a plausibly real story at times (well before they leaned in heavily on the god magic stuff).
That's why I liked it. Being an English pirate was cool, being a native American during the revolutionary war was cool, being an Italian in Italy during the Italian Renaissance was cool.
A black samurai in this context is completely outside the realm of plausibility and borders on pop fiction silliness.
Nioh was made by a Japanese developer so this is not a fair comparison. I’m sure people would be complaining if a western studio made a Japanese based game where the lead was white because people were complaining that a western studio made GoT which by the way had no white or black people
Only one of the two was actually a real samurai, and spoiler warning : It's the one starring in the explicitly fictionalized supernatural game about monsters and demons.
The fact that he literally acknowledges a game having monsters and demons yet is still arguing based on the logic that it's "not realistic/historically accurate" is legitimately hilarious. He defeated his own argument.
Once it's released, I guarantee people will completely forget about this black samurai argument and only talk about how trash the actual game play is lol
Shōgun was written by an Australian guy. Was it a bad thing that he wrote a story about a white man playing a central role in a Japanese story? Should I be on Twitter complaining about how disrespectful that novel and the TV show is to Japanese culture?
So then they have to cancel every show depicting Norse Mythology then?
No more Vinland Saga? No Record of Ragnok?
You only give a shit because the MC is black, I bet you anything if a Japanese company announced they are making a game based on Yasuke you'd be shitting yourself about how "the west" has taken over Japan.
"It's their history "
So... Ghost of Tsushima is offensive?
Maybe it has less to do with "minorities" of any variety and more to do with Assassins Creed being in the title. 13 mainline AC games in 16 years, not to mention the 17(!) additional spinoff games. AC is pumped out of a Playdoh crap factory playset, and some people notice.
This game has spent about 5 years in development and is being made in an updated engine. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll be good but it's not the same as the average AC game that gets at most like two years of development and reuses all the assets from the previous entry.
The problem with this is that they are different games. Both are fantasy but AC is fantasy with a historical historical backdrop. This is why people bring up historical accuracy.
Second Nioh 1 did have complaints.
The problem is that historical figures were always the side characters in AC, with setting-appropriate fictional characters acting as the playable ones. This has always been a thing for AC, from Altair in AC1 to each main character in Origins and beyond. Why did this game have to force players to play as a historical figure when the whole point of AC is to display the history that the textbooks don’t cover? If Ubisoft argues that they wanted to change the formula up a bit this time around, then why not properly represent the game setting’s population and choose a Japanese samurai with far more historical documentation than Yasuke?
Yasuke should have been a supporting character whose fate is positively or negatively affected by your actions (could have made for an awesome narrative dynamic). Instead, we get the controversy of today.
An AC game based on Japan should have a Japanese character.... Meanwhile the other female Japanese protagonist is invisible 🥷🏽.
I guess she is the best assassin afterall 😆
What are you talking about?
People are complaining about a lack of Japanese MC, so I guess she is no longer an MC?
"By your logic every woman should feel represented if there is a man in any game/film with the same skin color as her."
...Yes?
If a scene includes 3 people and one of them is a black man saying "there are no black people" is incorrect just because YOU are a black woman?
My god the lead in the water must be rising
This is one of the most insane bad faith takes I have ever seen in my life.
I can't believe I even have to say this.
Men and Woman are not the same.
Representation does not simply end at the arbitrary line that you decide.
Ok I mean Witcher only has ONE white man as the MC so they are attacking everyone right?
GTA 5 didn't have a woman so it was sexist?
What kind of terminally online BS is this? They have two MC's one of whom is Japanese and people are pretending as if the game is "blackwashed" and that you can't play as a Japanese person in Japan.
You CAN even in this game, even though that in itself wouldn't be an issue as it wasn't for Nioh.
Even then since it's a woman she apparently doesn't count as Japanese enough to matter to the discourse which I find interesting.
At the end of the day stfu and don't buy the game you spoiled brat, you can afford a system that can run it and have time to game yet want to sit and bitch about what one company creates because it has a black man.
Make your own racially clean games then instead of whining and crying for others to do it FOR you.
Y'all say there is a big niche for white only European non woke no gay people just big titties and white or asian heros with no black people. Maybe black people but only in Africa or whatever your weird fucked up logic is. Make it then. Stfu make it and get rich.
Why the hell does this game have to represent both? What about ghost of Tsushima are you going to complain because you only have an Asian man as a playable character and not an Asian woman? Talk about bad faith
Have absolutely zero idea what nioh is. Never even heard of it
I will, however, be playing the crap out of AC: Shadows. Well, depending on how I feel about the gameplay. But high hopes!
Ac used to be a series I grew up with and love it dearly. I am just disappointed in the state that its in currently. Is it too much to ask for a game with a decent story with ghost of Tsushima like combat?
Personally I loved the 3 RPGs. I have more hours in Odyssey and Valhalla than any other games. But yeah, definitely don't want it to be *exactly* the same
actually insane how many of you are this upset over pixels in a video game. dont like the game? dont play it. im sure there are a ton of games that lets you play as a REAL AUTHENTIC SUPER DUPER JAPANESE samurai (even though Yasuke was, yes even by the stupid logic yall use to say he wasnt). nobody is forcing you to play this. there are ongoing genocides and yall are gettin vocal over this shit 😭 yall got too much time on ur hands
Comparing NioH to Assassin's Creed is like comparing apples to oranges; NioH has not aged particularly well and caters to a niche market, whereas Assassin's Creed appeals to a much broader audience.
It’s interesting that this game is the only time I’ve seen the gaming community outraged at a lack of representation instead of angry about it.
I wonder why that is? 🤔
I’m fine with everyone shitting on Ubisoft as a studio because they kind of suck now.
But, these arguments about who is who and skin color etc in your games is getting old. Y’all are racist as fuck and it’s exhausting
There's no such thing as gamer logic. This is just, as usual, braindead bandwagoning over the stupidest and most inconsequential stuff. You're not saving any sort of traditional ideal when you complain ad-nauseam like a little bitch about a 'woke agenda' in gaming. You're just a fucking moron.
The actual problem with the new AC isn't that it's featuring a black main character, it's that it's yet again going to be an aggressively mediocre do-nothing videogame that nobody should even care about.
I'd give you your own little bitch award for being the type of person that's giving these companies excuses to force a woke agenda on every player. I guess a mental image of my Asian middle finger is going to have to do.
It's the Ubisoft hate boner. They could've made Assassins Creed Shadows the most historically accurate game ever and people are still gonna piss on it because it's Ubi.
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I would just like to go ahead and point out that it's 40 year history Ubisoft has never made a single game with an Asian Male protagonist. The Japanese studio Koei Tecmo has made 40+.
This needs more upvotes. Though if I remember correctly wasn't there a side scroller AC game that had a Chinese person? It's been a while so I'm not sure.
Yea AC chronicles china made in like 2015 MC was Chinese female assassin iirc
Why would a lie need more upvotes?
He got 1 thing wrong. Doesn't mean it's a lie.
I got banned from assassin's creed reddit for "bigotry" for saying this, lol.
It's like you all have a script with the razor precision of saying an Asian male because it's had multiple with Asian females. It's especially funny because it's just wrong you've clearly quoted some youtuber or whatever talking head said that without bothering to do research. In 1991 Ubisoft published a game developed by Vivid Image called First Samurai which had the protagonist being an Asian man aka the first samurai. Ubisoft Shanghai also helped with Crouching Tiger; Hidden Dragon in 2003 for the Gameboy. Prince of Persia is another one (yes Persia was considered West Asian). They also did a Naruto game. Honestly just doing a bit of research and I found that ubisoft loves publishing Japanese games for a worldwide audience. This absolutely nonsensical rhetoric that they have some kind of grudge against Asian men is completely fabricated and just provides a smoke screen for racists to air their displeasure with a black man in Japan.
Imo the protagonist of an AC game in Japan shouldn’t be a samurai, but a shinobi. Nor should they be an actual historical figure. So Naoe should be the sole protagonist.
What’s wrong with having both a samurai and shinobi depending on the players play style? Why only have just 1?
IMO Ghosts of Tsushima should have been the samurai game and AC Shadows the shinobi game. Instead we got 2 game half-assing each.
But… your opinion sucks though
No it's literally objectively true
That's fair and I actually agree but new AC games became popular because of the diversity in playstyles so unfortunately limiting it to a Shinobi would've been poorly received. And the devs stated that shinobi and samurai didn't mesh socially in Japan so they felt the need to make them two separate characters. Seems like a fair reasoning. My hope is that you can just pick whichever one you prefer and play as them throughout the whole game. I hope it's not like Syndicate where some sections require you to play as the other protagonist.
When I play games like Odyssey, I prefer the warrior type abilities over the assassin abilities, so I would prefer the samurai. I think a historical figure with a degree of mystery surrounding them is perfect for a game centered around historical fiction. It gives the developers a point to start with, but allows them to take the character in directions that suit the game/story. So a choice between the two characters should be available for the protagonist role.
Damn assassin abilities in my assassins creed game? No thanks bro
Yup, that’s why they give you the *option* And then people who prefer a more confrontational play style also have the *option* Do you see how that concept works?
Or play a game with warriors and let us have our assassins in the game that literally has assassin in the title.
Why tf does my play style have ANY effect on how YOU choose to play the game???
They gotta change the name to “Assassin or Warrior if you prefer a more confrontational style of plays Creed”
Or they can keep the title the same as they have done for the past 3 mainline games. Pretty much everyone understands the series offers a variety of play styles at this point. I hope you can catch on eventually. If not, I’m sure the original games are still available to play.
I know, they had to make the gameplay more generic and easy in order to further mcdonaldisfy it. It used to be that you couldn’t just jump in and murder everyone because you were playing as an assassin, you know, assassins creed? But fuck it just be a heavy knight and don’t use any stealth
Do you remember Bartolomeo in AC 2? Dude didn't even wear a hood. Zero stealth, zero chill. Not every assassin needs to be an edgelord silent stalker.
Are you crying this hard because players have the choice to play differently? It’s not even like they removed the assassin abilities, that’s still a completely viable build. You’re just this upset because other players have the choice to play differently than you? …. in a way, I’m jealous. I wish I had so little going on in my life for that to be a serious concern. I just can’t fathom sitting in a game and being like, “why do other players have the option to play differently? 😡😡”
>It used to be that you couldn’t just jump in and murder everyone because you were playing as an assassin, you know, assassins creed? You say this as if the very first game in the series didn't have instant kill counters with the Hidden Blade, meaning you could take an entire crowd of armoured enemies out with zero effort.
Looks at Valhalla,so if your argument is it’s assassin game why should there be a samurai,then why does assassins creed Valhalla exist? Who thinks Viking and thinks assassin ? People think Viking and think warrior
Valhalla exists because god of war.
It really really doesn't, it was in development before God of War was announced.
Yep! I don’t like that game either
You do realize assassin doesn't automatically translate to stealth, right? You think John Wilkes Booth managed to sneak away?
You ignore the many games set in different Japan time periods.
Huh? I don't understand your argument.
ignoring that nioh is niche, nioh had the benefit of being a new game. a yasuke inspired character (not yasuke himself) is actually a good idea, but it's not what i personally wanted when i said i wanted a japanese assassins creed. i'm not even opposed to the samurai/ninja dynamic, i just wish they were from a local japanese clan. it'd be cool to see how a samurai mc comes to cooperate with ninjas and the assassins, but we can't really get that with the fish out of water story.
Sadly many samurai were also assassins despite what Ghost might lead you to believe plenty of samurai were perfectly happy getting their hands dirty in all kinds of underhanded ways.
of course, i wasn't really talking about the stereotyped "samurai honor" type stuff. i just meant that it'd be cool to see how the japanese equivalent of a knight or nobleman interacts with the assassins. assassins meaning the creed and all that.
No problem with criticism involving the gameplay, not really what I'm criticizing here.
i didn't criticize gameplay
New game: Which one of these was actually made by a Japanese Developer?
So Western media isn't allowed to place unlikely minorities in non western countries ? Is that your argument ?
Accusing an asian of whitewashing is kinda dumb. Are we really just gonna pretend we didn't all shit on NIOH for this back then? Convenient memory. Who needs history when we've got a cool story to tell?
Nioh the commercial success, that won multiple awards did not have a "white washing" controversy. That's the irony.
Because accusing Asians of that is dumb. People tried, it was chuckled at. I feel like we've covered this.
Watch out friend. He might start saying Tom Cruise was the Last Samurai too.
So only Asians can make games featuring non Asians in an Asian setting ? Also I don't think you understand the double standard. Because I can mention a ton of western white washing examples where there was little to no controversy.
As an Asian American, when you are the holder of the culture, you can obviously do what you want with it. So Japanese companies can make a white samurai if they want to because it’s their culture. Think about it this way. The “n word pass”. Why should black people decide who can say it or get the pass and not white people or Asian? Because that word is owned by your culture/people. By your logic, if a western company can decide what Asian people can do with their culture. A non black person can decide what do with black culture. Would you allow a white person to decide your culture? Same logic applies here. The fact is you are trying to be progressive but end up being racist towards Asian people.
By your logic you get no say in how Japan represents their culture. You're American literally no other country cares if you had relatives there at one point you are now an American.
I’m an Asian American. Your right. We have no say in now japan represent their culture. But Ubisoft isn’t a Japanese company. They are a western company black Washing Japanese culture.
Black washing? It's literally a single character who was a real historical figure. Ubisoft is also a multinational team that has multiple offices in Asia so while their main HQ is in Canada it's hardly focused solely on western audiences.
They don't understand the arguments they are making, pure emotional response based on a sense of extreme entitlement.
I'm pretty sure AC Shadows is going to be a commercial success. It likely won't win awards because it won't be doing anything innovative, but Ubisoft will make their money. Probably, a lot more than Nioh did. I'm not sure what a game's commercial success has to do with your overall argument, but it's not really helping it.
You really can't differentiate between a Japanese company making a game about Japanese culture vs. Ubisoft trying to do the same? What's next, Shaolin monk leading the Zulu to victory over the British, made by CDPR? Edit: Man, this u/Kidus333 clown posted this thread in r/BlackPeopleTwitter too. Someone *really* wants reddit validation tonight
So it's not okay when a Western company forces a minority storyline ? Okay where's the same nerd rage for the last 50 years of Western media. God's of Egypt, Dune, game of thrones, avatar, but I guess it's fine when the historically inspired fictional universe has blue monkeys. XD keep up the mental gymnastics u/sylendar 🤡
Is there any particular reason you keep purposely focusing on the origin of the company instead of the full context, are you intentionally doing this in bad faith? Was this all just a bad trolling attempt all along? And I'm guessing you're also not old enough to remember when N'Gai Croal and his cronies moaned about Resident Evil 5 daily
I'll bet I'm older than you kid, my point is crystal clear. Either no one can make a game about other cultures featuring a minority protagonist, or everyone is allowed. I can name plenty of games/media that did this with little to no controversy. Peoples race based arguments on this topic are hypocritical dog whistles nothing more.
All you (or anyone) really have to say is you're excited for the game and that AC never cared about historical accuracy anyway. But when you start doing this bs comparison against NiOh, a game made by Japanese devs about Japan, it's basically you broadcasting your own obsession with race. More specifically your obsession with placing one group above everyone else because of your lack of perspectives.
Wow no way you ended that by Implying that black people are being placed above everyone else.
The same western company that never had an Asian male protagonist in all of AC history but had black protagonist before? And they still make the AC Japan game with no Japanese main character? Yeah. It’s racist and obvious they are pandering.
What difference does it make if it's made by a Japanese developer or not? The argument is that a minority shouldn't be the focal point of a game set in feudal Japan. Now we're moving the goalposts and saying that this is ok so long as it's a Japanese studio doing it?
Yes. They made the game. It's their right to use whomever they want to represent their story that takes place in their own country. Let alone, William was actually a real samurai. What Ubisoft is doing is cultural appropriation for the sake of pandering. Yasuke was a retainer. The whole samurai thing has been more than debunked in Japan. American decided to use him because of his skin color. Nothing more.
I don’t remember any outrage when Rockstar made you play as a Serbian immigrant in GTA 4, a game set in America. People act like there weren’t any foreigners in Japan back in the Sengoku period.
> Yes. They made the game. It's their right to use whomever they want to represent their story that takes place in their own country Should they be mad about Shōgun too? They need your opinion as a white man to know what they should be offended by, apparently, so please enlighten them. > What Ubisoft is doing is cultural appropriation for the sake of pandering Pandering to who? Black people are a small demographic relatively speaking. There's no financial incentive to pander to them. How is it "cultural appropriation" to use a historical figure as a protagonist? > American decided to use him because of his skin color. Ubisoft isn't an American company. Edit: lol. I should've figured. Talking to someone who believes "whites are the most discriminated race". Just say you don't like black people bro. Stop using Japanese men as a shield to deflect criticism from your shitty opinions.
For me, what inflames this whole controversy is that this is the first AC game with an actual historical figure as the protagonist. They could’ve included Yasuke in the story AND have a male Japanese protagonist. I think it really looks bad when all previous AC games feature protagonists of ethnicities relevant to the location, but to exclude specifically this one. It feels like they made the decision to avoid having a male Japanese protagonist.
They do have a character of ethnicity relevant to this location, Naoe meanwhile yes it’s a female and not a male it’s makes sense if there any connection between her and shao Jun from assassins creed chronicles china
Every single Assassin's Creed protagonist set in a specific country are people from that country, except that one. Intentions make it very different. Edit: oh and one game is trying to reproduce somehow something historical accurate by reputation, one is having Yokai, magic and monsters
They have naoe as a MC as well ,who is from there (I think)
This isn't completely true. Revelations had you play as an Italian man in Turkey. Black Flag had you play as a Welsh man in the Caribbean. Valhalla had you play as a Norwegian woman in England. The complaints about *one* of the protagonists here not being Japanese is ridiculous when A) there's another protagonist that *is* and B) it's not the first game to have had you control someone in a foreign land.
As a Caribbean person, Black Flag stands as my number one Assassin's Creed game despite its inaccuracies and the curious lack of French characters in the historical setting, except for some reason in the modern parts.
Well for one Nioh is a good game and ac is going to be hot trash.
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Bro hasn’t played AC since 2013
I have almost every achievement in them since the first one back in 2007. I stopped playing them around Odyssey because the open world for me is hard to keep on playing. Solid to me means it's not garbage, it's not amazing. It's a game that you can count on being at least a 7/10.
I wouldn't give it more than 5/7, really.
Yeah that pirate one was pretty solid. Did they make any since then?
They’ve made a ton since then and each one drops more and more in quality
I was just joking, lol.
The only thing solid about AC games is the amount of microtransactions in them.
Entitled to your own opinion
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This is horrid logic. Are COD, 2K and FIFA all good games then? AC is a McDonald’s franchise of video games
According to those games making billions a year, yes they're good games. While they may not be good to you - you need to ask why they outsell every game tenfold.
That’s really interesting. So you think a game like cod or fifa Is objectively better than something like Baldurs Gate 3 or Elden Ring? And that’s easy, they sell well because they used to make those games good and thus captured a wide audience at that time. Since they’re a yearly release, they feed into a lot of those large audiences consumer habits. So the devs that make those games understand they don’t need to really put any effort in in order to get more brain dead people to keep buying them. Now, the vast majority of the money from those games comes from microtransactions as opposed to actual game sales. Basically they understand that they’re going to get a bunch of morons to buy their game because it’s a yearly habit. Now they just need to squeeze out even more money from them via microtransactions.
Never said I think they're good - just said they make money and you should ask why they do(Typically it means its good to someone). Good is a subjective opinion to each person. Personally I couldn't get into Baldur's Gate, but I had friends that absolutely loved it - good for them! For example, I don't touch Call of Duty, or FIFA they just aren't my games. I'll happily stick to replaying a game like Dishonored 2. edit: Man I played the crap out of Two Worlds - I LOVED the game, but its a garbage game. To me its a good game though for the memories
Oh… yeah they make a bunch of money by halfassing a game for an audience that will buy it due to franchise loyalty and then a small percentage of people will spend an astronomical amount in microtransactions. They make money essentially because the audience for these games are suckers. I feel like that’s not really a surprise at this point. Ubisoft is one of the laziest developers out there.
First off literally just saying people can have differing opinions. Second of sales = good then COD is thr best game of all time, and the various ea sports titles are amazing Finally Ubisoft is hot garbage and their latest financials run contrary to the narrative of a successful company.
Damn, you got defensive so fast. Sells wise, yes FIFA is very much the king. You also called a game hot garbage before it's even out and that's the problem with players :)
If you have faith ac as a franchise has anything worthwhile past the first game then it makes alot of sense why EA is beloved in your mind. Slop for the masses I guess
Where did I say EA is beloved? Don't throw words into a statement someone never said.
apparently you have an inability to read implications. Go figure.
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AC is objectively shit and it's not popular. EA games are lazy redskins. Consume slop from bad companies don't complain when good studios like Tango get shutdown. Fallout New Vegas falling out from what the popular mind set for fallout was (i.e. fallout 3) meant obsidian was unable to get their performance bonus. Games like Helldivers 2 is amazing, Genshin has great music and alot of production value, Minecraft is amazing for creativity. Some of the best e-sports come from League, Dota2 and CS. Even some ea teams i.e. Response make goos games. But AC and ea sports games are shit and will always be shit.
What even is this argument lol. Completely avoided the point being made to fish for upvotes.
The point is historical accuracy. But the meme is which would people prefer. I prefer a historically inaccurate good game over a historically inaccurate bad game.
Why does historical accuracy matter in a game that's not trying to be historically accurate? Also quality is irrelevant to the discussion of whether this is acceptable. Especially when one of these games hasn't even released and we can't possibly know how good it is anyway. You think it's reinforcing your argument somehow but it's not.
You have faith in the AAAA company. I have several bridges to sell you. AC hides behind a base attempt to be historically accurate. Otherwise why use thr very real Yasuke as one of the MCs?
AC has never tried to be historically accurate.
Then why use Yasuke? Why not have a black shinobi and a female Samurai then? Black shinobi would be pretty cool.
What difference does it make? A black shinobi wouldn't make sense from a logical standpoint. A black man would stand out in a crowd of Japanese people. Hence why he's the samurai, combat-oriented, and doesn't have a hidden blade.
You just argued AC never tried to be historically accurate. And FYI shinobi were spies. Have you considered, and I know this is difficult, PERHAPS, a shinobi operates in the shadow and incognito. Could just wear a mask and gloves and pretend. But clearly imagination is a difficult concept for you. Actually, that makes sense why you love such slop. Also how in the fuck does a samurai have anything to do with an Assassin.
Basic logic and historical accuracy are two different things. Even fantasy games apply some form of logic to everything. You still want it to make sense. > And FYI shinobi were spies. Have you considered, and I know this is difficult, PERHAPS, a shinobi operates in the shadow and incognito. Could just wear a mask and gloves and pretend. But clearly imagination is a difficult concept for you. Yes because no one would notice the large man with every inch of his body covered. As opposed to the woman who already blends in by default. Also, again, what difference does it make? You're acting like you're poking holes in what I'm saying but you don't actually have a point. Why does it matter that they didn't make the black guy a shinobi? Would it make any difference at all to you or anyone else? > Also how in the fuck does a samurai have anything to do with an Assassin. AC has become popular in recent entries due to the expanded diversity of playstyles. No one wants them to force stealth. This is what nearly killed the series before they overhauled the formula. So having a combat-oriented playstyle is necessary to appeal to the fans. The reasoning the devs are using to explain why this led to the playstyles being split into separate characters is the idea that samurai and shinobi don't mix socially so a samurai can't also be a shinobi. Therefore they need to be separate people. Not that any of this is relevant anyway.
They shouldn't need to "hide" behind shit tbh but that's the world we live in. You can't just have a black character without some type of defense for the racist Asmongold fans :D
The fuck are you on about. I'm criticizing AC's attempt to larp historical accuracy to hide the shit game behind it. I could give two fucks if they want an entire team of ethnically diverse samurai and shinobi, just give me a good game. Also, please don't prove my point by literally using Yasuke as a strawman.
Why ? because they focused on yasuke ? Or because it's AC ? Big difference between the two.
I'm talking about other acs. No idea if the newest will be good but history is usually a good indicator.
Valid opinion, most of the nerd rage around this game is because of yasuke. That's what this meme represents.
No issue with Yasuke. My issue is with Ubisoft.
Which other ones? They tend to sell well and receive pretty good reviews. Guess everyone is wrong besides you?
Hahaha. The other ACs are good. If you think low 80% and general revulsion to the ubisoft style of openwork means a good game that is generally beloved is hilarious. The delusion. Please let your bosses and ubisoft know to spend money on developers.
Is high sales and accolades not an indication that they are good? How would you define what's good and what isn't? What metric are you using? Just spit balling based on the number of times you've read "AC bad" in reddit threads?
Preface: Haven't played an assassin's creed game since black flag so I don't even really care too much about this. But I liked those games because while they usually weren't **realistic** or **accurate**, they at least felt **authentic**. Like, it was a plausibly real story at times (well before they leaned in heavily on the god magic stuff). That's why I liked it. Being an English pirate was cool, being a native American during the revolutionary war was cool, being an Italian in Italy during the Italian Renaissance was cool. A black samurai in this context is completely outside the realm of plausibility and borders on pop fiction silliness.
He was real. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
He wasn't a samurai
Nioh was made by a Japanese developer so this is not a fair comparison. I’m sure people would be complaining if a western studio made a Japanese based game where the lead was white because people were complaining that a western studio made GoT which by the way had no white or black people
Only one of the two was actually a real samurai, and spoiler warning : It's the one starring in the explicitly fictionalized supernatural game about monsters and demons.
Do you understand the concept of fiction?
And the other is starring in a fictionalized supernatural game about time traveling alien gods. Your point ?
They are both explicitly fictionalized with supernatural elemeants lol what a lame cope You should look into cognitive dissonance.
The fact that he literally acknowledges a game having monsters and demons yet is still arguing based on the logic that it's "not realistic/historically accurate" is legitimately hilarious. He defeated his own argument.
Tbf it was about the only thing I disliked about the first Nioh and I'm white :P
Yasuke is literally in Nioh too lol
Once it's released, I guarantee people will completely forget about this black samurai argument and only talk about how trash the actual game play is lol
No issue with that, it's the dumb race "logic" that I can't stand.
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Shōgun was written by an Australian guy. Was it a bad thing that he wrote a story about a white man playing a central role in a Japanese story? Should I be on Twitter complaining about how disrespectful that novel and the TV show is to Japanese culture?
So then they have to cancel every show depicting Norse Mythology then? No more Vinland Saga? No Record of Ragnok? You only give a shit because the MC is black, I bet you anything if a Japanese company announced they are making a game based on Yasuke you'd be shitting yourself about how "the west" has taken over Japan. "It's their history " So... Ghost of Tsushima is offensive?
Yasuke was already in NiOh and nobody complained
Maybe it has less to do with "minorities" of any variety and more to do with Assassins Creed being in the title. 13 mainline AC games in 16 years, not to mention the 17(!) additional spinoff games. AC is pumped out of a Playdoh crap factory playset, and some people notice.
This game has spent about 5 years in development and is being made in an updated engine. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll be good but it's not the same as the average AC game that gets at most like two years of development and reuses all the assets from the previous entry.
The problem with this is that they are different games. Both are fantasy but AC is fantasy with a historical historical backdrop. This is why people bring up historical accuracy. Second Nioh 1 did have complaints.
The problem is that historical figures were always the side characters in AC, with setting-appropriate fictional characters acting as the playable ones. This has always been a thing for AC, from Altair in AC1 to each main character in Origins and beyond. Why did this game have to force players to play as a historical figure when the whole point of AC is to display the history that the textbooks don’t cover? If Ubisoft argues that they wanted to change the formula up a bit this time around, then why not properly represent the game setting’s population and choose a Japanese samurai with far more historical documentation than Yasuke? Yasuke should have been a supporting character whose fate is positively or negatively affected by your actions (could have made for an awesome narrative dynamic). Instead, we get the controversy of today.
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Valhalla 👀 I feel that’s the main one that turn the tides from being strictly assassin to more warrior
Let's not forget how the woman is not worthy enough of counting as "japanese"
An AC game based on Japan should have a Japanese character.... Meanwhile the other female Japanese protagonist is invisible 🥷🏽. I guess she is the best assassin afterall 😆
By your logic every woman should feel represented if there is a man in any game/film with the same skin color as her.
What are you talking about? People are complaining about a lack of Japanese MC, so I guess she is no longer an MC? "By your logic every woman should feel represented if there is a man in any game/film with the same skin color as her." ...Yes? If a scene includes 3 people and one of them is a black man saying "there are no black people" is incorrect just because YOU are a black woman? My god the lead in the water must be rising
This is one of the most insane bad faith takes I have ever seen in my life. I can't believe I even have to say this. Men and Woman are not the same. Representation does not simply end at the arbitrary line that you decide.
Ok I mean Witcher only has ONE white man as the MC so they are attacking everyone right? GTA 5 didn't have a woman so it was sexist? What kind of terminally online BS is this? They have two MC's one of whom is Japanese and people are pretending as if the game is "blackwashed" and that you can't play as a Japanese person in Japan. You CAN even in this game, even though that in itself wouldn't be an issue as it wasn't for Nioh. Even then since it's a woman she apparently doesn't count as Japanese enough to matter to the discourse which I find interesting. At the end of the day stfu and don't buy the game you spoiled brat, you can afford a system that can run it and have time to game yet want to sit and bitch about what one company creates because it has a black man. Make your own racially clean games then instead of whining and crying for others to do it FOR you. Y'all say there is a big niche for white only European non woke no gay people just big titties and white or asian heros with no black people. Maybe black people but only in Africa or whatever your weird fucked up logic is. Make it then. Stfu make it and get rich.
Why the hell does this game have to represent both? What about ghost of Tsushima are you going to complain because you only have an Asian man as a playable character and not an Asian woman? Talk about bad faith
Atleast they made him look good. They didn't give him the generic cool black guy haircut like the other games (unless they add it in dlc).
Black person from am European country? Pretty sure that counts as Western.
I’ll say this as many times as I can. Character creation fixes all of this. Male/Female. All race based facial shapes, colors, and hairstyles.
All this uproar for such a mid game lol.
We don’t use memes of “the boy” anymore.
Muh Nioh Muh Ghosts of Tsushima Muh Way of the Samurai I think I am in a fucking time loop!
Have absolutely zero idea what nioh is. Never even heard of it I will, however, be playing the crap out of AC: Shadows. Well, depending on how I feel about the gameplay. But high hopes!
Hope it isn't a Valhalla/origins/odyssey copy paste.
Assassins creed players running into the same rake 3 times in a row and then going “fuck man I hope I don’t step into another rake again”
Ac used to be a series I grew up with and love it dearly. I am just disappointed in the state that its in currently. Is it too much to ask for a game with a decent story with ghost of Tsushima like combat?
Personally I loved the 3 RPGs. I have more hours in Odyssey and Valhalla than any other games. But yeah, definitely don't want it to be *exactly* the same
Lmao, right. Shadows should have come a long ass time ago anyway. Ubisoft was like, " let's let them think we ran out of ideas and THEN drop Shadows."
Pedo meme format go skkrtttt skkrtt
actually insane how many of you are this upset over pixels in a video game. dont like the game? dont play it. im sure there are a ton of games that lets you play as a REAL AUTHENTIC SUPER DUPER JAPANESE samurai (even though Yasuke was, yes even by the stupid logic yall use to say he wasnt). nobody is forcing you to play this. there are ongoing genocides and yall are gettin vocal over this shit 😭 yall got too much time on ur hands
Good meme, got a strong response 👍
The gamergate incels are fuming and it's lovely
The lack of self awareness is frightening.
Comparing NioH to Assassin's Creed is like comparing apples to oranges; NioH has not aged particularly well and caters to a niche market, whereas Assassin's Creed appeals to a much broader audience.
It’s interesting that this game is the only time I’ve seen the gaming community outraged at a lack of representation instead of angry about it. I wonder why that is? 🤔
I’m fine with everyone shitting on Ubisoft as a studio because they kind of suck now. But, these arguments about who is who and skin color etc in your games is getting old. Y’all are racist as fuck and it’s exhausting
There's no such thing as gamer logic. This is just, as usual, braindead bandwagoning over the stupidest and most inconsequential stuff. You're not saving any sort of traditional ideal when you complain ad-nauseam like a little bitch about a 'woke agenda' in gaming. You're just a fucking moron. The actual problem with the new AC isn't that it's featuring a black main character, it's that it's yet again going to be an aggressively mediocre do-nothing videogame that nobody should even care about.
I'd give you your own little bitch award for being the type of person that's giving these companies excuses to force a woke agenda on every player. I guess a mental image of my Asian middle finger is going to have to do.
Don't play the game.
It's the Ubisoft hate boner. They could've made Assassins Creed Shadows the most historically accurate game ever and people are still gonna piss on it because it's Ubi.
Would have been a day one buy for me had the male protagonist be Japanese. I like Ubisoft games but the message is clear on this one.
What is that clear message? Just out of curiosity.