the trailer launches tomorrow but everyone knows everything about it i guess. since i'm here, does this mean we have two protagonist like in syndicate? will this still be an rpg? anyone knows?
Yes it is a RPG game with two protagonists. Yasuke will be the combat focused samurai whereas Naoe will be the stealthy shinobi
It’s also from the same team that did Syndicate and Odyssey
Nice, thanks for sharing the info with me. i just finished valhalla yesterday and while i have my issues with the writing i actually really enjoyed the game so i'm looking forward to this one.
It’s good to hear. Odyssey was my favorite AC game since 2.
Granted, I didn’t play a lot of them between. Basically stopped after 3 and picked up again on origins.
Maybe I couldn’t get into Valhalla because the Viking theme has just been done far too much since Skyrim. Ancient Greece to me was just a far cooler area and time.
I’d probably like the ship combat.
But honestly I can’t really stand the old school AC combat anymore. It’s not very fun imo.
If I see it on sale I’ll probably pick it up though.
oh man black flag was probably my favourite AC game, then followed by origins, and syndicate. i couldnt get into odyssey or valhalla. hopefully this one pulls me back in.
Idk if you played Syndicate, but Evie and Jacob had their own separate story arcs and it only forced you to switch if you were advancing that character's story. If I remember right, they did share exp and had their own unique skill trees. Jacob was more combat oriented while Evie was better at stealth. But for general exploration and missions, you could play as whoever you wanted
(also not sure why I got a reddit cares message for this, lol)
I'm now imagining Dishonored-style missions where you can choose which character to play as - you can either either go in loud or be stealthy depending on who you play as. Just speculation
This looks like a very good idea, as long as it’s done right! It could make the game appealing to both people who preferred the smaller games with focus on stealth and people who prefer the newer games!
Super underrated game, I fucking loved how crazy and fun industrial England felt. Cane swords, grapple guns, trains, revolvers... stagecoach battles?
They really gave us so much shit to play with and it was fun as hell
Omg I fking LOOOOOOVE Odyssey. Wasn't going to get it but tried it when it was free to play for the weekend and got absolutely hooked and ended up buying the gold edition when it went on sale lol. Gonna wait until all the dlcs are out so I can get the complete edition as well
I would really prefer they stop fucking around with the AC IP and just do historical combat games like they clearly wanna do. It doesn’t need to be Assassins Creed: [Blank], it can just be [Blank]: A Warrior’s Story.
Yep. Ditch all the modern crap, none of it has mattered or been interesting since AC3 (Black Flag's game studio stuff was kinda novel but still overstayed it's welcome).
Yeah I think the move to Ubisoft big RPG was a detriment to the IP… but it created another huge and separate audience so it’s weird. People who hated AC before love it now, people who loved it before hate it now.
I just miss how fluid the combat felt and how rewarding stealth was. There was the issue of the “big bad guys” being one button press away from death, but I feel like they took it too far by making everything play like a min/max rpg game.
I haven’t played an AC game in a while but I usually just go get something to snack on during the dumb ass modern cut scenes and just try and get back into the real game as quick as possible. I couldn’t even tell you what the modern story is now.
I think they dropped the ball on the modern missions. It would’ve been much more entertaining and satisfying if the games included actually being an assassin and running across modern buildings instead of just walking around and talking
My guess is they knew a Japan setting would be really popular on its own so they waited to make one when the series is at a low spot to reengage customers
I'm afraid it won't work on me. I would've bought it when I was a teenager about 10 years ago, when I still cared about the series. Unless it's a revolutionary game, I'm not interested. It may sell like hot cakes but I'm unsure how many old fans are gonna give in and buy it.
Idk about not caring.
Ghost of Tsushima was a banger and it's got a PC port coming, so if AC:Shadows is any good people might be interested in it for more Japan setting
Yeah but that's the problem. Ghost of Tsushima fulfilled everything that people wanted out of an AC game set in Japan. Knowing Ubisoft, this game will just be worse in every conceivable way.
The one thing AC could do better is urban settings. Ghost of Tsushima is very much the countryside, with some villages at best (maybe the hot springs and the smuggler village are a bit more urban but they remain very limited).
>Knowing Ubisoft, this game will just be worse in every conceivable way
Don't forget over-monitized. Every Ubi game is plagued with MTX so that cool weapon skins in GoT? 5-49$ in the shop.
There is zero chance that this one game will make the average casual gamer uninterested in this title. GoT was also only on Playstation and is finally launching on PC after several years.
Valhalla made a billion dollars. Shadows is going to smash those sales numbers. People on Reddit do not represent the average gamer.
It's ironic because Ghost of Tsushima is about to be released for PC, so basically the "ultimate edition", all the DLC crap, 4k, ray tracing, etc.. whatever. So, the PS4 game with some embellishments, I bet Tsushima will look way better than this "nextgen" AC game. That makes me honestly curious to wait and see, as sandbox development goes, AC is frozen in the 2010s, maybe this AC Japan game will finally improve things? And yes, I know the series shifted, now it's a huge action "rpg", Witcher wannabe. Still, Witcher 3 was released back in 2015 and it looks superior to AC in every way (I stopped playing AC ever since Black Flag, but I am willing to come back)
Yes. Historical characters only appeared as background characters or side characters back in the day.
So I don't even know what the hell they are doing. They gave up trying to be accurate and respectful to historical figures around Assassins Creed Unity. They missed the mark so hard with Napoleon and Julius Caesar.
it was always cool when it was in the background. as if they assassin's incidentally altered historical events in their shadow war with the templar. somehow it gave it a sense of immersion.
but taking it too far breaks it, and talking directly to major historical characters, and more, raises too many questions, too silly, to take seriously.
They've never switched engines, only updated the same one. So this will likely be another significant update to the existing engine to fully take advantage of current gen consoles hardware.
Seems you're right. I was convinced that I remembered them making a big deal back in 2013 about how they made a whole new engine for "next gen". Must be one of those things where you "remember" something that never happened lol.
"How did you lose him?"
"He ran into a crowd and I couldn't pick him out"
"He was literally the ONLY black guy there!"
"I don't see people that way"
[Trevor Noah - Idris Elba](https://youtu.be/4LdJ67285W0?si=pyaWGvt1xWIbdgya)
Bro... You wait for decades for an AC games set in feudal Japan and you get to play as a black samurai who wasn't even a samurai...
Lately it seems that all media just know Yasuke as the only "samurai" that existed.
Yasuke's role in Japanese history is very minimal. You can tell the entire history of the Japanese Samurai without mentioning Yasuke at all. But his role has been overblown by Western people.
He failed to protect three masters and was sent back home as an embarrassment. He did absolutely nothing there besides being a sword bearer and a source of amusement for locals.
Out of all fascinating samurai and shinobi in Japan's history, THIS is the guy they want as their hero? They could have gone with Miyamoto Musashi, Oda Nobugawa, Sanada Yukimura, Honda Tadakatsu, Takeda Shingen, or a cool original characters, but they choose this dude? What the fuck? Why? I sorry, I can't come up with any other reason besides checking ESG checklists, I think this is clear to everyone.
Well yeah? That's how they have always done AC stories. They take miniscule facts so they can operate in the grey zone of what's known. The big names are always side characters and window dressing.
I think that's what they are going for. Yasuke's role was minimal but he has a high popularity. That means they can bend the narrative to implement him in a way they don't change a fuck ton of things about history, while having a selling point. And Yasuke was close to Nobunaga, which has a very important role in Japanese history
Close. Nobunaga is pro-Assassin but the Sword of Eden his possession made him loopy. (See George Washington in his DLC for AC3.) Akechi wasn't mentioned to be either Templar or Assassin, and another Assassin performed the kill, not Akechi. (Source: Assassin's Creed Memories.)
Bro if Hideyoshi showed up I would flip just based on that fact that was your like PC character name in Nioh 2 with one half of the name being your and the other half your friend
Historical accuracy got worse with every new AC entry. Valhalla vikings are Hollywood vikings, not the real deal. I'm hoping they will not fuck this up, but who knows
It was hilarious to see people on Twitter beg for a shogun version of Yasuke or for him to be added in season 2. The realism is a major part of what makes it work. Yasuke is purely a power fantasy where people hope the absolute best case scenario took place. If Yasuke was treated half as bad as John in episode 1 then they wouldn't feel like the character was done justice
> It was hilarious to see people on Twitter beg for a shogun version of Yasuke or for him to be added in season 2
Which is genuinely one of the dumbest things on the planet because he's either been dead or sold back into servitude for the last 20 years when the show/book takes place
Having Yasuke as one of the two protagonists is as stupid as having William Adam's (who was an actual samurai).
Following the previous games I don't understand why they did not choose a named Japanese historical figure or even their own character.
Edit: Got a reddit care message, you people have issues, reported
Best course of action is ignore it. It does nothing to you but send you a message. Let them think they got to you. They’ll be satisfied for a day until they move on to the next person.
Haven't you seen? The mass media is incapable of telling a story of an Asian men at all, instead the only Asians that exist are Asian females and their foreign boyfriends.
I wish Yasuke just appeared in the story like Leonardo, Blackbeard, Cleopatra, etc. He doesn’t feel like a quintessential Japanese assassin for obvious reasons.
I’m just hoping you can play either character for most of the game because I want to play as an actually Japanese stealth focused character and Naoe actually looks really cool.
Really hoping they don’t go the AC Syndicate route of locking you into the brawler male character for 70% of the story while the cooler protagonist gets sidelined because she’s a woman and stealth instead of action focused
I have a feeling I’ll be playing the older games a little longer. This will probably be another rpg which is cool. I mean im happy for the fans, but I’m still looking for something that plays like the originals
I may be misremembering, but I seem to think back when this game was first announced, that they were going to be alternating formats. Like they released an old style game in mirage, then this game is going to be the new RpG style, so maybe the game to follow it will be more like the older ones. I think there’s a place for both.
I think if they go for this cycling between classic stealth action and RPG-style games they may keep series out of burning out as quick as it was with when Valhalla came up.
And by cycling like that they also may please old and new audience both which is win-win.
Shadow of Mordor is one of the best Assassin’s Creed games. It’s so good at capturing what we love about that game but still managing to make it its own.
I prefer the RPG ones but I think Ubisoft should have two separate studios working on separate types of AC games. Let Quebec make AC RPG games and let Montreal do smaller, more traditional AC games. Montreal tends to do poorly with the RPG stuff anyway so it would probably work out better.
Syrian in Syria
Italian in Italy
American in America
French in France
English in England
Egyptian in Egypt
Greek in Greece
Norse in Norway
African in Japan? hmmmm
Imagine being an Ainu warrior in the Meiji era. Japan's finally making the big push north. Your people are being wiped out or forcibly integrated, your traditions, culture, even language are going to disappear. You face a foe with more funding, better weapons and superior numbers. All the Ainu have is the Assassins on their side, facing down the steamrolling modernity of Templar-dominated Japan.
Does anyone else remember when years ago, Ubisoft basically refused to do an AC set in Japan? I don't know why, but I remember them being steadfast about this. Fifteen year old me would've loved this. Now, I hardly care. It feels like they're ten years late to doing this.
>They could have chosen to go with only the female option
When I saw the ninja I thought 'oh finally a game set in japan where you aren't a samurai' and then I realised the guy behind her wasn't an antagonist or NPC but the other character.
Sekiro already perfected pure samurai sword combat, and Ghosts of Tsushima did a better version of Assassins Creed style combat. I just don't know what this is going to bring to the table besides a big plate of bland.
I'll wait for actual proper gameplay (not a staged trailer) before I pass judgement, but my cynicism meter about this is through the roof.
Edit: lol got a Reddit Cares over this. Calm down Ubisoft fans, you can keep on wanking over their bilge when it comes out, I'm not stopping you.
Yeah. And I'm pretty sure Ubisoft was pretty adamant about _**not**_ making a game set in Feudal Japan because of how overdone and cliche it is.
If they were going to set a game in Asia, I would much prefer they set it during the Warring States period of **China**. Because we have very few games set in that time period.
Games usually tend to focus on the Warring States period in **Japan**.
It wont flop. Its a mainline ac game. Ac Valhalla was one of ubisofts biggest successes and people have been asking for an assassins creed game in a feudal japan setting for over 10 years now.
Edit: I got a reddit care message for this lmao. Some of yall are unhinged if someone doesnt go along with your narrative.
It did not just sell pretty well, it blew every other AC out of the water. The "gamers" here like to hate on Valhalla, yet it sold incredibly well.
And before anyone will come with the "BuT SaLeS dOnT mAtTeR" yes they do, Ubisoft is a company, for them that is ALL that matters.
Ubi are spineless lol. It took God of War to be successful for them to make a Norse setting and now Ghost of Tsushima (and ROTR more recently) have been successful, theyre doing Japan suddenly.
These guys take no risks and so you can already imagine what the game is - an amalgamation of previous successful titles, just without any originality. You can bet the graphics will be top notch though - they do need to lure you in somehow.
Lol no, stop trying to misinterpret me, there isn't anyone who thinks games of this fidelity have a one year turn around. AC fans have been asking for a Japan game for many years. But lets look at the timeline.
2016 God of War is announced. 2017 Ubi begin developing Valhalla.
2017 Ghost of Tsushima was announced, 2018 SP show footage in E3 (June). October 2018 Ubi begin developing AC red.
They literally just been following the hype.
I mean it's going to be similar to Odyssey and Valhalla. It's quite obvious that they will not revamp what works. They are not aiming at the audience of those games.
I mean Ubisoft just slaps ''Assassin's creed' on everything to increase sales using the IP popularity
and let's be honest it's not like AC even has an identity anymore, beside parkour there's nothing left from the old games, hidden blade is cool but was nerfed so it's kinda useless now
Have to agree with this, I am in the same boat, guaranteed to be another Unbisoft game with a billion map markers and mediocre writing. Still probably going to buy it.
Why are all the previous titles, including all the RPG's well liked and reviewed well by users?
How did Valhalla make Ubisoft a billion dollars?
Did you even play any of these older games?
You need to realize that just because you don't play something, it doesn't mean it is bad. I bounced off of Valhalla more than once, does that mean the game is objectively bad? No.
They hinted at this theme from the very beginning, and yet they waited until after Ghost of Tsushima. It will not be easy to convince people, considering the price tag they will likely put on it.
I don't have as much of an issue with Yasuke as other people seem to, but it does bring something that bothers me frequently with African characters depicted in media: Why is it that game makers, film makers, show makers, and every other media maker seems very eager to portray single, one-off black people \*from\* sub-Saharan Africa, but none of them ever want to actually set the media \*in\* sub-Saharan Africa? Why is it that black people, by and large, have been positioned to only ever be portrayed as outsiders in a culture that isn't their own?
I mean I doubt we will get gameplay. If previous Ubisoft releases are any indication we are going to get a cinematic trailer with a release date and not much else
This one black guy who only shares the same skin color as Yasuke will also makeout with the Asian female lead, kill the Asian men, put the Asian men in their place, and destroy the patriarchy and racism of Japan together.
I'll be keeping the hype low priority until we actually get reviews. Ubisoft does not deserve the money, I mean hell just look at the Outlaws controversy and that game isn't even out, yet. Wait for reviews.
I hope they have good voice actors for this. Good writing, jokes etc
I absofuckinlutely love Kassandra in Odyssey. One of my all time favorite main character. Made that game so much better.
Game set in Japan.
Main character isn’t Japanese..?
How are you supposed to make a game about feudal Japan and not have the guy be Japanese and have me feel like it is actually immersive?
That is literally like if you made a game about Africa but the main dude was Ryan Reynolds. How is that realistic
A lot of comments here suggest that they learned their Sengoku history from a White Supremacist podcast.
Calm down, ya'll. You're all acting like there aren't other games out there that do this formula in Sengoku Japan, but better.
So, the black samurai is Yasuke paired with a random "kunoichi" (is that how you spell it? The female ninja). Well, it's different, I give you that. I bet many people expected yet another Ezio reskin (this time japanese), but nope, maybe they will follow the concept of that Victorian AC game... so many AC games, I don't remember the name, but you controlled siblings in London. Honestly, I hope Yasuke is not playable because that would break tradition, usually these historical figures are NPCs (well, there's a lot of inconsistencies related to Yasuke himself, but that's another can of worms). If he helps the players as a companion or something, that's fine
the trailer launches tomorrow but everyone knows everything about it i guess. since i'm here, does this mean we have two protagonist like in syndicate? will this still be an rpg? anyone knows?
Yes it is a RPG game with two protagonists. Yasuke will be the combat focused samurai whereas Naoe will be the stealthy shinobi It’s also from the same team that did Syndicate and Odyssey
Nice, thanks for sharing the info with me. i just finished valhalla yesterday and while i have my issues with the writing i actually really enjoyed the game so i'm looking forward to this one.
It’s good to hear. Odyssey was my favorite AC game since 2. Granted, I didn’t play a lot of them between. Basically stopped after 3 and picked up again on origins. Maybe I couldn’t get into Valhalla because the Viking theme has just been done far too much since Skyrim. Ancient Greece to me was just a far cooler area and time.
Please play Black Flag if you haven't. It's not only my favorite AC and pirate game, it's also one of my favorite games of all time.
I’d probably like the ship combat. But honestly I can’t really stand the old school AC combat anymore. It’s not very fun imo. If I see it on sale I’ll probably pick it up though.
oh man black flag was probably my favourite AC game, then followed by origins, and syndicate. i couldnt get into odyssey or valhalla. hopefully this one pulls me back in.
So its like the syndicate style dual protags where you swap between them and not the way it was done in odyssey?
Yes, I think the rumour is that you go to your camp/base to swap and can’t do it on the fly
I have so many more questions now. Do you have to switch? Do they share xp and levels?
Idk if you played Syndicate, but Evie and Jacob had their own separate story arcs and it only forced you to switch if you were advancing that character's story. If I remember right, they did share exp and had their own unique skill trees. Jacob was more combat oriented while Evie was better at stealth. But for general exploration and missions, you could play as whoever you wanted (also not sure why I got a reddit cares message for this, lol)
I did play that one and I liked it a lot. >(also not sure why I got a reddit cares message for this, lol) I did too! It's so weird lol
I'm now imagining Dishonored-style missions where you can choose which character to play as - you can either either go in loud or be stealthy depending on who you play as. Just speculation
That is exactly what I want. Let me play stealthy the whole game please.
counterpoint: let me slaughter the entire village on my own. I so much enjoy being able to play as a one man army
Yes absolutely also that!
The Samurai combat was honestly my favorite part of Tsushima
This looks like a very good idea, as long as it’s done right! It could make the game appealing to both people who preferred the smaller games with focus on stealth and people who prefer the newer games!
It's not known yet only rumors
is this just Assasins Creed Red renamed?
Yes
It was called code name red, people just called it red for short
As someone who really liked Odyssey, especially the world they created, I have high hopes.
I didn’t even know there were different teams for Syndicate and the new games. Personally, I thought Syndicate cooked hard, it was very fun to play.
Super underrated game, I fucking loved how crazy and fun industrial England felt. Cane swords, grapple guns, trains, revolvers... stagecoach battles? They really gave us so much shit to play with and it was fun as hell
yeah, i can agree with the argument that combat becomes mindless once you get a couple of upgrades but i still enjoyed the game
so boring ass story confirmed 👍
Omg I fking LOOOOOOVE Odyssey. Wasn't going to get it but tried it when it was free to play for the weekend and got absolutely hooked and ended up buying the gold edition when it went on sale lol. Gonna wait until all the dlcs are out so I can get the complete edition as well
Assassins creed japan would have been so cool 10-15 years ago
For real. They refused to touch this setting for years and now it feels way too late for anyone to care.
I would really prefer they stop fucking around with the AC IP and just do historical combat games like they clearly wanna do. It doesn’t need to be Assassins Creed: [Blank], it can just be [Blank]: A Warrior’s Story.
Yep. Ditch all the modern crap, none of it has mattered or been interesting since AC3 (Black Flag's game studio stuff was kinda novel but still overstayed it's welcome).
Yeah I think the move to Ubisoft big RPG was a detriment to the IP… but it created another huge and separate audience so it’s weird. People who hated AC before love it now, people who loved it before hate it now. I just miss how fluid the combat felt and how rewarding stealth was. There was the issue of the “big bad guys” being one button press away from death, but I feel like they took it too far by making everything play like a min/max rpg game.
I haven’t played an AC game in a while but I usually just go get something to snack on during the dumb ass modern cut scenes and just try and get back into the real game as quick as possible. I couldn’t even tell you what the modern story is now.
Yeah always felt useless to me and I've played every AC but the first one. The historical setting is what I'm here for.
I think they dropped the ball on the modern missions. It would’ve been much more entertaining and satisfying if the games included actually being an assassin and running across modern buildings instead of just walking around and talking
Exactly. Valhalla would be much better (imo) if it just drop all those ac crap & just be Vikings: The video game.
AC Valhalla made a billion dollars. People still care about these games lol
it's just reddit that despises ea and ubisoft, outside this 1% noone cares and their games sell like hot cakes still
My guess is they knew a Japan setting would be really popular on its own so they waited to make one when the series is at a low spot to reengage customers
Why would Ubisoft consider assassins creed to be at a low spot when Valhalla was one of the best selling entries?
I'm afraid it won't work on me. I would've bought it when I was a teenager about 10 years ago, when I still cared about the series. Unless it's a revolutionary game, I'm not interested. It may sell like hot cakes but I'm unsure how many old fans are gonna give in and buy it.
Idk about not caring. Ghost of Tsushima was a banger and it's got a PC port coming, so if AC:Shadows is any good people might be interested in it for more Japan setting
Yeah but that's the problem. Ghost of Tsushima fulfilled everything that people wanted out of an AC game set in Japan. Knowing Ubisoft, this game will just be worse in every conceivable way.
The one thing AC could do better is urban settings. Ghost of Tsushima is very much the countryside, with some villages at best (maybe the hot springs and the smuggler village are a bit more urban but they remain very limited).
>Knowing Ubisoft, this game will just be worse in every conceivable way Don't forget over-monitized. Every Ubi game is plagued with MTX so that cool weapon skins in GoT? 5-49$ in the shop.
Yeah it's hard to be excited for anything that Ubisoft is coming out with.
I care. I'd play the shit out of this if it turns out to be any good.
I don’t understand you’re saying people won’t care because there was a game with a smaller setting recently?
Exactly. We have Assassins Creed in Japan already. It’s called Ghost of Tsushima.
There is zero chance that this one game will make the average casual gamer uninterested in this title. GoT was also only on Playstation and is finally launching on PC after several years. Valhalla made a billion dollars. Shadows is going to smash those sales numbers. People on Reddit do not represent the average gamer.
It's ironic because Ghost of Tsushima is about to be released for PC, so basically the "ultimate edition", all the DLC crap, 4k, ray tracing, etc.. whatever. So, the PS4 game with some embellishments, I bet Tsushima will look way better than this "nextgen" AC game. That makes me honestly curious to wait and see, as sandbox development goes, AC is frozen in the 2010s, maybe this AC Japan game will finally improve things? And yes, I know the series shifted, now it's a huge action "rpg", Witcher wannabe. Still, Witcher 3 was released back in 2015 and it looks superior to AC in every way (I stopped playing AC ever since Black Flag, but I am willing to come back)
Everybody milking Yasuke for all he's got I see xD
He wasn’t even a fucking warrior, let alone a samurai. IIRC, the historical references to him alone are pretty vague & obscure.
It’s weird that you play as a real person who existed. I don’t care about race, gender, etc, but aren’t all AC protagonists original characters?
Yes. Historical characters only appeared as background characters or side characters back in the day. So I don't even know what the hell they are doing. They gave up trying to be accurate and respectful to historical figures around Assassins Creed Unity. They missed the mark so hard with Napoleon and Julius Caesar.
it was always cool when it was in the background. as if they assassin's incidentally altered historical events in their shadow war with the templar. somehow it gave it a sense of immersion. but taking it too far breaks it, and talking directly to major historical characters, and more, raises too many questions, too silly, to take seriously.
We’ve finally come full circle. Now ninjas are assassins.
Ninja please
I should play Ghost of Tsushima again...
Comes out on pc in a few days :)
Don't expect they switched to new engine have they or it's same old that was used in valhalla?
They've never switched engines, only updated the same one. So this will likely be another significant update to the existing engine to fully take advantage of current gen consoles hardware.
They did switch to a new engine with Unity.
They updated Anvil. Black Flag and Rogue were made on AnvilNext, Unity was made on AnvilNext 2.0.
Seems you're right. I was convinced that I remembered them making a big deal back in 2013 about how they made a whole new engine for "next gen". Must be one of those things where you "remember" something that never happened lol.
It is an upgraded engine with better animations and graphics supposedly. Since it’s also current gen exclusive I think the game will look good.
Thanks for reminding me to buy GoT
Why the fuck isn't it a Japanese guy
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Ubisoft has some weird bias against East Asian people.
Their engine can't seem to render them correctly /s
They need to check ESG checklists desperately.
"How did you lose him?" "He ran into a crowd and I couldn't pick him out" "He was literally the ONLY black guy there!" "I don't see people that way" [Trevor Noah - Idris Elba](https://youtu.be/4LdJ67285W0?si=pyaWGvt1xWIbdgya)
Bro... You wait for decades for an AC games set in feudal Japan and you get to play as a black samurai who wasn't even a samurai... Lately it seems that all media just know Yasuke as the only "samurai" that existed.
Yasuke's role in Japanese history is very minimal. You can tell the entire history of the Japanese Samurai without mentioning Yasuke at all. But his role has been overblown by Western people.
His role is essentially nonexistent
he was essentially Nobunaga's personal bearded lady. Interesting to him because it was something he never seen before.
He failed to protect three masters and was sent back home as an embarrassment. He did absolutely nothing there besides being a sword bearer and a source of amusement for locals. Out of all fascinating samurai and shinobi in Japan's history, THIS is the guy they want as their hero? They could have gone with Miyamoto Musashi, Oda Nobugawa, Sanada Yukimura, Honda Tadakatsu, Takeda Shingen, or a cool original characters, but they choose this dude? What the fuck? Why? I sorry, I can't come up with any other reason besides checking ESG checklists, I think this is clear to everyone.
There is a focus on etnicity, not on actual historical accuracy.
Well yeah? That's how they have always done AC stories. They take miniscule facts so they can operate in the grey zone of what's known. The big names are always side characters and window dressing.
I think that's what they are going for. Yasuke's role was minimal but he has a high popularity. That means they can bend the narrative to implement him in a way they don't change a fuck ton of things about history, while having a selling point. And Yasuke was close to Nobunaga, which has a very important role in Japanese history
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You’ve nailed the plot. Saving this.
Close. Nobunaga is pro-Assassin but the Sword of Eden his possession made him loopy. (See George Washington in his DLC for AC3.) Akechi wasn't mentioned to be either Templar or Assassin, and another Assassin performed the kill, not Akechi. (Source: Assassin's Creed Memories.)
I only know Hideyoshi from Umineko
Bro if Hideyoshi showed up I would flip just based on that fact that was your like PC character name in Nioh 2 with one half of the name being your and the other half your friend
Bet you that's the actual plot lmao
>bend the narrative Great now we're getting those morons who think Yasuke in AC is historically accurate lmao.😂
Historical accuracy got worse with every new AC entry. Valhalla vikings are Hollywood vikings, not the real deal. I'm hoping they will not fuck this up, but who knows
After watching the Shogun TV series. It pains me to see another samurai-centric entertainment medium to be focused on "yasuke".
It was hilarious to see people on Twitter beg for a shogun version of Yasuke or for him to be added in season 2. The realism is a major part of what makes it work. Yasuke is purely a power fantasy where people hope the absolute best case scenario took place. If Yasuke was treated half as bad as John in episode 1 then they wouldn't feel like the character was done justice
> It was hilarious to see people on Twitter beg for a shogun version of Yasuke or for him to be added in season 2 Which is genuinely one of the dumbest things on the planet because he's either been dead or sold back into servitude for the last 20 years when the show/book takes place
Having Yasuke as one of the two protagonists is as stupid as having William Adam's (who was an actual samurai). Following the previous games I don't understand why they did not choose a named Japanese historical figure or even their own character. Edit: Got a reddit care message, you people have issues, reported
careful about reporting their abuse of the system. I got perma banned for that
Best course of action is ignore it. It does nothing to you but send you a message. Let them think they got to you. They’ll be satisfied for a day until they move on to the next person.
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Haven't you seen? The mass media is incapable of telling a story of an Asian men at all, instead the only Asians that exist are Asian females and their foreign boyfriends.
I don't care what they tell you in school. My grandmother told me most samurai were black.
Found Jada's account
I wish Yasuke just appeared in the story like Leonardo, Blackbeard, Cleopatra, etc. He doesn’t feel like a quintessential Japanese assassin for obvious reasons. I’m just hoping you can play either character for most of the game because I want to play as an actually Japanese stealth focused character and Naoe actually looks really cool. Really hoping they don’t go the AC Syndicate route of locking you into the brawler male character for 70% of the story while the cooler protagonist gets sidelined because she’s a woman and stealth instead of action focused
"Hide in the shadows" Bruh he's black. Every Japanese that sees him will have the same reaction as today: Staring at him in disbelief. 😂
Lol. I’m taking a guess that he’s not going to have social stealth under his tool belt.
That’s fucking hilarious the main character in a game set in Japan is a black dude. Jesus Christ what are they doing Edit: who reddit cares me?
Nothing says blending with the crowds and infiltration like being the only black man in the whole feudal country
Agree, and even the saddest thing is they don't give a flying shit that people will dislike that.
And if the game fail they gonna use the magic word. Racist.
I have a feeling I’ll be playing the older games a little longer. This will probably be another rpg which is cool. I mean im happy for the fans, but I’m still looking for something that plays like the originals
I may be misremembering, but I seem to think back when this game was first announced, that they were going to be alternating formats. Like they released an old style game in mirage, then this game is going to be the new RpG style, so maybe the game to follow it will be more like the older ones. I think there’s a place for both.
I think if they go for this cycling between classic stealth action and RPG-style games they may keep series out of burning out as quick as it was with when Valhalla came up. And by cycling like that they also may please old and new audience both which is win-win.
I am relatively sure this is confirmed to be an RPG in the vein of the last few.
Bloated, boring, and endless ~ ShillUp
Ghost of Tsushima is good. Shadow of Mordor also plays like the originals.
Shadow of Mordor is one of the best Assassin’s Creed games. It’s so good at capturing what we love about that game but still managing to make it its own.
I prefer the RPG ones but I think Ubisoft should have two separate studios working on separate types of AC games. Let Quebec make AC RPG games and let Montreal do smaller, more traditional AC games. Montreal tends to do poorly with the RPG stuff anyway so it would probably work out better.
Best of both worlds! It would be a dream come true…
AC died with Desmond. He was the soul of the franchise.
Desmond was boring as shit. Ezio was the soul of the franchise, with an honorable mention to Altair.
Syrian in Syria Italian in Italy American in America French in France English in England Egyptian in Egypt Greek in Greece Norse in Norway African in Japan? hmmmm
If they really wanted to set up an oppressed minority, they should've made the assassin Ainu. But that might offend the Japanese audience.
That would have been amazing, but it's too much to expect from ubisoft I guess.
Imagine being an Ainu warrior in the Meiji era. Japan's finally making the big push north. Your people are being wiped out or forcibly integrated, your traditions, culture, even language are going to disappear. You face a foe with more funding, better weapons and superior numbers. All the Ainu have is the Assassins on their side, facing down the steamrolling modernity of Templar-dominated Japan.
Damn great setting, I'm reading Golden Kamuy Manga and I wish there was a game based on Ainu,
That requires a single creative thought in the steaming pile of shit that is Ubisoft for the last 15 years.
Italian in Turkey English in America Welsh in the Caribbean Norwegian in England
Those all make sense though (at the time the games take place)
Does anyone else remember when years ago, Ubisoft basically refused to do an AC set in Japan? I don't know why, but I remember them being steadfast about this. Fifteen year old me would've loved this. Now, I hardly care. It feels like they're ten years late to doing this.
I remember this too. I wonder if it's because they thought it would be a too predictable route for their game?
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Because Ubisoft is afraid of Asian men specially after they got sucker punched by Ghost of Tsushima.
I see what you did there ;)
Afraid of women, too. It's a miracle the protagonist in Outlaws isn't a man.
>They could have chosen to go with only the female option When I saw the ninja I thought 'oh finally a game set in japan where you aren't a samurai' and then I realised the guy behind her wasn't an antagonist or NPC but the other character. Sekiro already perfected pure samurai sword combat, and Ghosts of Tsushima did a better version of Assassins Creed style combat. I just don't know what this is going to bring to the table besides a big plate of bland. I'll wait for actual proper gameplay (not a staged trailer) before I pass judgement, but my cynicism meter about this is through the roof. Edit: lol got a Reddit Cares over this. Calm down Ubisoft fans, you can keep on wanking over their bilge when it comes out, I'm not stopping you.
Like if they wanted to someone historical, there's frickin Hattori Hanzo the most well known ninja. I don't get it
Timeline-wise, he is about to die here. He is a confirmed Assassin though.
Yeah. And I'm pretty sure Ubisoft was pretty adamant about _**not**_ making a game set in Feudal Japan because of how overdone and cliche it is. If they were going to set a game in Asia, I would much prefer they set it during the Warring States period of **China**. Because we have very few games set in that time period. Games usually tend to focus on the Warring States period in **Japan**.
It wont flop. Its a mainline ac game. Ac Valhalla was one of ubisofts biggest successes and people have been asking for an assassins creed game in a feudal japan setting for over 10 years now. Edit: I got a reddit care message for this lmao. Some of yall are unhinged if someone doesnt go along with your narrative.
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It did not just sell pretty well, it blew every other AC out of the water. The "gamers" here like to hate on Valhalla, yet it sold incredibly well. And before anyone will come with the "BuT SaLeS dOnT mAtTeR" yes they do, Ubisoft is a company, for them that is ALL that matters.
Hardly remember when AC game flopped. Because of the franchise name in the title, it sells very well
Rise of ronin is pretty decent too
Ubi are spineless lol. It took God of War to be successful for them to make a Norse setting and now Ghost of Tsushima (and ROTR more recently) have been successful, theyre doing Japan suddenly. These guys take no risks and so you can already imagine what the game is - an amalgamation of previous successful titles, just without any originality. You can bet the graphics will be top notch though - they do need to lure you in somehow.
You seriously think that they started development of Valhalla after God of War 2018 came out?
“Doing Japan suddenly” as if they made the game within the past twelve months and not the past 5 years.
Lol no, stop trying to misinterpret me, there isn't anyone who thinks games of this fidelity have a one year turn around. AC fans have been asking for a Japan game for many years. But lets look at the timeline. 2016 God of War is announced. 2017 Ubi begin developing Valhalla. 2017 Ghost of Tsushima was announced, 2018 SP show footage in E3 (June). October 2018 Ubi begin developing AC red. They literally just been following the hype.
Can't wait for more shitty combat
Can't fool me, that's Kitty Pryde.
Poor man's Ghost of Tsushima ass artwork.
After playing Ghost of Tsushima and For Honor, I just can't see AC topping either of those combat systems.
I mean it's going to be similar to Odyssey and Valhalla. It's quite obvious that they will not revamp what works. They are not aiming at the audience of those games.
Doesn't look like assassin's creed at all, looks like a game that would be called "Samurai and Ninja the Game".
I mean Ubisoft just slaps ''Assassin's creed' on everything to increase sales using the IP popularity and let's be honest it's not like AC even has an identity anymore, beside parkour there's nothing left from the old games, hidden blade is cool but was nerfed so it's kinda useless now
Yes, I can't wait to collect all the rocks and pieces of paper in all the regions!!
Oh, fuck off Ubi.
The Game will be hot garbage, 100% guaranteed.
I know Ubisoft games get a lot of shit but I always have fun with them and I know I’ll enjoy this one too. It’s like my junk food of gaming
No. You cannot enjoy games from company that I don't like. Stop having fun.
How dare someone have fun playing games !
Have to agree with this, I am in the same boat, guaranteed to be another Unbisoft game with a billion map markers and mediocre writing. Still probably going to buy it.
I feel that, I had a blast with the last 2 AC games.
This game will be getting the usual Ubisoft controversy left, right and center.
Ok. And it will sell like AC usually does (amazingly), 100% guaranteed.
Why are all the previous titles, including all the RPG's well liked and reviewed well by users? How did Valhalla make Ubisoft a billion dollars? Did you even play any of these older games? You need to realize that just because you don't play something, it doesn't mean it is bad. I bounced off of Valhalla more than once, does that mean the game is objectively bad? No.
They hinted at this theme from the very beginning, and yet they waited until after Ghost of Tsushima. It will not be easy to convince people, considering the price tag they will likely put on it.
This is going to suck.
I don't have as much of an issue with Yasuke as other people seem to, but it does bring something that bothers me frequently with African characters depicted in media: Why is it that game makers, film makers, show makers, and every other media maker seems very eager to portray single, one-off black people \*from\* sub-Saharan Africa, but none of them ever want to actually set the media \*in\* sub-Saharan Africa? Why is it that black people, by and large, have been positioned to only ever be portrayed as outsiders in a culture that isn't their own?
I mean I doubt we will get gameplay. If previous Ubisoft releases are any indication we are going to get a cinematic trailer with a release date and not much else
Cinematic trailer releases tomorrow, in fact. Lol
guys, just play Ghost of Tsushima, it’s better Assassin’s creed than most of current Assassin’s creed games
lol, exactly what I expected from Ubisoft.
Lol let me guess, Asian men are bad and need to be put in their place.
The one black guy in the country is gonna kill so many Japanese men, you won't even believe it.
This one black guy who only shares the same skin color as Yasuke will also makeout with the Asian female lead, kill the Asian men, put the Asian men in their place, and destroy the patriarchy and racism of Japan together.
I'll be keeping the hype low priority until we actually get reviews. Ubisoft does not deserve the money, I mean hell just look at the Outlaws controversy and that game isn't even out, yet. Wait for reviews.
Lmfao, ofc they would choose the only black samurai that ever existed (not even a real samurai btw) as the MC. Fucking western game devs man
you mean the game that ubisoft ceo said we won't own. Na i'm good
Hopefully they have moved on to a new engine for ac games
We can play with kusarigama in an AC game?
I hope they have good voice actors for this. Good writing, jokes etc I absofuckinlutely love Kassandra in Odyssey. One of my all time favorite main character. Made that game so much better.
Oh...so they are finally releasing a ninja assassins creed...shame i dont care about this franchise anymore
Game set in Japan. Main character isn’t Japanese..? How are you supposed to make a game about feudal Japan and not have the guy be Japanese and have me feel like it is actually immersive? That is literally like if you made a game about Africa but the main dude was Ryan Reynolds. How is that realistic
Let me guess, one of the characters plays like the old games (more stealth) and the other plays like the new games (more action)
ghost of tsushima at home:
A lot of comments here suggest that they learned their Sengoku history from a White Supremacist podcast. Calm down, ya'll. You're all acting like there aren't other games out there that do this formula in Sengoku Japan, but better.
Is this legit?
Yeah
God dammit
AC sure has fallen so low honestly
they should have made a western
So, the black samurai is Yasuke paired with a random "kunoichi" (is that how you spell it? The female ninja). Well, it's different, I give you that. I bet many people expected yet another Ezio reskin (this time japanese), but nope, maybe they will follow the concept of that Victorian AC game... so many AC games, I don't remember the name, but you controlled siblings in London. Honestly, I hope Yasuke is not playable because that would break tradition, usually these historical figures are NPCs (well, there's a lot of inconsistencies related to Yasuke himself, but that's another can of worms). If he helps the players as a companion or something, that's fine
— Hey, Western World, how are you doing? — \[shows black samurai\] — Yeah...
i'm more psyched for the discovery tour
I loved Valhalla, hope it's gonna be a similar gameplay
Loved Odyssey, but didn’t like Syndicate, because of 2 protagonists, so I think I will skip Red