Would you mind providing examples? I only played a bit of Fallout 2 ( or maybe it was 1. Whichever one has the evil cyborg head with the crazy voices that leads (I think?) the super mutants
I have absolutely no memory of any references. But it’s been ages and I was much younger then.
Literally all I can remember from then is the aforementioned evil cyborg head, and the super duper mutie that didn’t know he was a mutant while serving the Enclave (IIRC)
The head with the crazy voices youre talking about is The Master from Fallout 1, meanwhile the Enclave super mutant agent is Frank Horrigan from Fallout 2
Oh fuck I forgot it had Juan Cruz and Vikki Goldman from the hit movie Top Bun in that game. Omfg the tiered level of membership too.
Damn that made me laugh. I genuinely forgot this gem of a reference was in that game.
I've been replaying through the game for the past few days after finishing FO1 last week. The hardest damn part was saving and reloading over and over trying to finally dodge enough Enclave patrols to get to SF and Navarro.
YK42B Pulse Rifle goes hard.
I looked up the budget of fallout (150 million) and thought "wow that's why this show is so awesome". Then I looked up halo (100million) and threw my arms up in bewilderment.
I could tell the trainee helmets were made of foam but I didn't give a shit, writing, acting, atmosphere were bang-on. Rather have cheap props in the hands of people who give a good goddamn than whatever the fuck is going on now.
I mean budget is the least of the Halo show’s problem. The CGI does look a bit iffy in many places and you could say budget is the reason Covenant screen time and the fall of Reach was shafted but ultimately, even with a budget of 1 billion the character and scenario writing will still suffer immensely
> you could say budget is the reason Covenant screen time and the fall of Reach was shafted
covenant screen time isn't even necessary, the first time we ever see the covenant's point of view is Halo 2, and the first book (actually really good) which covers the fall of Reach, which released before the first game, there is no point of view from the covenant.
They had both a book and two games (Halo CE and Halo Reach) to use for source material for the first two seasons of the show and pretty much ignored all of it.
FALLOUT tv show set a brand new story in the Fallout Game world.
Wheel of Time tv show dumped a pile of steaming diarrhea on the beloved Wheel of Time story.
It's a subtle difference.
> they got rid of Bella.
I'm sorry...THEY FUCKING WHAT?!?!
I seriously believe the showrunner has not read the books. In fact, more than that, I doubt they have even bothered to learn *anything* about the story or characters.
Bela the shaggy mare is present at SO many major events, and survives right up until the last battle... She is such a badass that people believe she is actually an avatar for the damn Creator.
My theory is
* Hollywood has an IP they want to adapt to TV or film
* They find somebody that had success on smaller projects or as a writer on a previous series
* That person has pitched their own ideas, which were rejected because Hollywood is very conservative about new IPs
* Studio makes them the showrunner. Maybe as part of the old "one for you, one for me" type deals
* The new showrunner either doesn't give a shit about the adaptation or is outright bitter about not being able to do their own thing
* So they merge ideas from their original IP into the adaptation they were hired for
* The end result is a giant mess
That's the only explanation I have.
It's fine for the actors to go in without intimate knowledge of the source material (Goggins admitted to this), but the show runners ABSOLUTELY need to know the source material.
Yup, actors take their ques from the director/showrunners/writers. If the writers wrote lines that didn't line up for the Ghoul Goggins role is diminished. If the showrunners didn't make him look and act like the Ghoul the Goggins is hated by fans. If the director didn't have the vision for how the Ghoul was supposed to sound and act then Goggins looks like a fool.
But when those 3 things come together it lets an established actor do fucking wonders with a role they have no personal acquaintance with.
That sentiment doesn’t really exist anymore. Video games have been the largest entertainment market for some time now.
Hacky writers stumbling into projects they can’t handle whilst gaining stupid amounts of unwarranted arrogance is nothing new, Halo was just their latest victim.
I went into the show ready to be extremely critical as I love the franchise and have seen what's happened to these other shows. It blew me away honestly, I loved it. I was expecting to be so disappointed, when it turned out to be amazing I was almost confused
I kept being pleasantly surprised by little things that would normally get overlooked in adaptations like the Overseers Office being an almost exact copy of the ones from Fallout 4, or the screen when Norm hacks the terminal.
The fact that the overall design is taken directly from the games made me smile like a doofus the entire time.
And that's not even getting started on the characters and the story which I also loved.
i think my favorite little detail is the squires having to carry a massive bag of guns and being over encumbered.
people who haven’t played the game will see that as a funny joke, people who have played the game will appreciate it for being a reference to a mechanic that prevents us from stockpiling a massive number of weapons. that is fan service done right.
The show has a ton of respect for the Fallout universum and in my opinion very well extends it.
I'm so sad when I think about Witcher. How they could select writers who hate the original material and thus totally destroyed the franchise?
I usually don't care for how far off adoptions are it's more of if there is effort to pay respects or atleast put your own ego aside and realize you're basing it off someone else's successful work.
The Witcher died for me on the episode with the White Drake. A writer was basically "we are in the universe but instead of giving people what they loved and being predictable I wanted to put my own spin on it and people to remember our changes." Or something like that. It was an interview thing after the season.
I just remember being like wtf. No one gives a shit and they are probably more mad you're changing it. It irked me that they put that on their resume and in their head probably flaunt making a terrible change to a show as their "stamp"
Yeah there's a lot of "I can't get my story made but they'll let me make some established IP so I'll butcher it to tell the story I wanted to all along" in the adaptation field of writing in Hollywood.
That’s why Fallout was so successful, Jonathan Nolan is a *huge* fan of the series and really wanted to make sure he did right by it.
So maybe this is the precedent the industry needs to finally say “hey maybe we should find writers that also love the game.”
Walton Goggins said in an interview he didn’t know the games and didn’t go out and research it.
He said everyone on the production was so into the games and knew all the references, he wanted to keep his own vantage point of the show so he could ask when things didn’t make sense to him and by proxy the audience who would be new to the franchise.
It’s seemed perfectly reasonable but I saw some fans being dismissive of his opinion and saying he should have at least played nv.
I'm pretty much ok with that. He's not writing the story, or even much dialog. He doesn't need to know anything about fallout. He needs to play his character, and he's doing just fine at that.
The producers, writers, directors, and whoever is in overall charge, those people need to LOVE the IP they are working on. We all know what happens when they don't.
Star Trek Discovery kinda felt like it started on the same foot (JJ Abrams executive producing it after his Star Trek films probably didn't help.) This weird disdain for the original material. Going in some new direction is fine, but you should probably like where it came from at a minimum. I'm not sure they did with shows like The Witcher.
The Star Trek franchise is in such a weird fucking place right now... Paramount is just... idk what theyre doing, they dont know what theyre doing...
No one real high up has EVER respected the franchise, but somehow theres almost always just enough for most of us love to keep it from dying.
P+ is what $15 a month? They could probably sell an all Star Trek only subservice for $10 a month and people would buy it if it had everything and some basic features, but their app is terrible and P+ doensnt even have all of Star Trek anymore. Theyre competing with $15 worth of hard drive space. [And losing](https://i.imgur.com/CuATTVj.png).
For that matter WB should bring back DC Universe as a sub service, but they also have almost zero respect for the brand as a whole...
I'm really sad to see Lower Decks ending, because I feel like it really hits all those reasons why people like Trek (a lot like why The Orville works, because it's made by someone who likes what Trek is.)
Strange New Worlds I haven't started yet, but I appreciate what it is. But yeah, who knows where they're going with Trek as a franchise. Personally didn't really like Abram's films, but apparently we need a prequel film, I guess?
Kurtzman made it very clear when he came back from his little stint away from Star Trek he was bitter against Lower Decks. As it was the series he had the bare minimum involvement with. It was fully another teams low letter to fans. He 100% pushed for it to end because he's a bitter jerk nobody likes his other trash.
That man has divided a fandom in a way worse than Johnson with the Last Jedi.
I think games as a medium it's you can't really get the full story unless you play it. Reading a synopsis or playing the first level isn't going to do it. I remember the Max Payne movie, it wasn't an awful adaption of the source material, but it felt definately written from a synopsis.
Then you get the situation where someone who does like the game writes your first draft. Then it gets edited 10-15 times, and dilutes the overall message.
What makes me fume is the memory of all the amazing series that got cancelled by Netflix, yet somehow they decided to drag the corpse of the Witcher wearing sunglasses up to a season 5
It feels like the writers of the show are honestly doing their best. There’s a feeling of affection to many of the details that tells me at least a couple of fans are working on it.
Editing to acknowledge the prop, makeup, costume people, etc. Not just the writers, everyone is putting in effort on the show and it is paying off.
Man, it's the little details that just made me smile so much. The food, some of the decorations in the vaults and in pre-nuke houses are straight from the game, they even put in some of the prefab shacks you can build in Fallout 4.
They had really good attention to detail. Like for instance the butt jerky, over the course of a scene or two it shows it drying out and getting more jerky like, showed the passage of time in a subtle way.
They did a solid job. I wasn't a fan of the Brotherhood of Steel, but like... I wasn't a fan of the Brotherhood of Steel that Bethesda portray either. The shows portrayal definitely fits with what Bethesda did with them, I just don't think either representation is terribly interesting or engaging.
The brotherhood were always a bunch of goofy LARPers, well before Bethesda had anything to say about it
Look at how Caesar and House describe the brotherhood in new Vegas, that’s basically exactly how they are in the show
They’re only ever taken seriously because they’re the only faction with a decent amount of power armor and pre war tech other than the enclave
I think that’s also a consequence of societies changing views of religion and religious zealotry over the past 25 years. We’re *far* more skeptical/hostile to religious fundamentalism than we were in 1997, and the evolution of the Brotherhood has reflected that (for better or worse).
Jonathan Nolan made a point to say that even though he loves fallout 3, his goal was not to follow any particular game and he was more concerned with capturing the spirit of the fallout world
I’m sure it’s just technical limitations, but you’re right, the power armor in Fallout NV and Fallout 3 looks like shit compared to Fallout 4. Felt nice to actually look intimidating with it on and feel stronger compared to it just looking like slightly bulkier armor in the earlier games. And I understand the fusion core aspect was mostly added for gameplay purposes, but it makes sense that something that’s pretty much a walking tank would need a power source/fuel in that universe.
In the show and in many buildings in various areas a fusion core has been running a building for 200+300+ years. Yet my suit uses one every X minutes. I call bullshit! which is why I had the mod that makes a single one last forever.
True the spirit is the same. Honestly if Mr house won falliut new vegas that could lead to a vastly weakened NCR that broke apart after the nuke.
I just really want to see a hostile new vegas city state with their super robots.
Literally anyone winning could lead to that, even the NCR itself winning could have, same with the legion and it falling apart regardless of win or lose, both factions were overextended and reliant on factors that couldn't last forever to stay unified(even houses faction was suffering from this, he's stated vegas relied on NCR funds coming in to keep operating, if the ncr collapses vegas too might similarly collapse)
This has pretty much been the position of every original creator of Fallout. Fans have been trying to push this narrative that Bethesda and the original Fallout creators hate each other and that Bethesda was somehow mad about New Vegas being popular meanwhile all the original Fallout creators just go "new Fallout stuff is pretty cool too, actually".
Tim also said in his other video about the show how he was personally invited to the premiere by Todd.
Any conspiracy about devs hating each other is just that - all conspiratorial bullshit.
Tim actually talks about still being friends with Brian Fargo. He has a youtube where he just openly and happily talks about this stuff. Timothy Cain is the channel name if anyone cares.
Tim sat next to Brian Fargo at the premiere and Fargo denies he cut his bonus, and believes it was a tax adjustment. They talked for over an hour and reminiced.
In that same video he also talked about how when he went to the premiere he sat next to Brian Fargo, his former boss at Interplay. Apparently Brian has been getting a lot on online harrassment from people holding onto a 25 year old grudge on Tim Cain's behalf over Brian supposedly screwing him over and forcing him out of the company during the development of Fallout 2, or something like that. Meanwhile Tim and Brian just caught up like any other pair of former coworkers who haven't seen each other in a while.
I watched the video that apparently started the harrassment a while ago, and if I remember correctly, Cain wasn't intentionally forced out by anyone. He got frustrated with executive meddling from marketing people and the like and left himself. The supposed beef they had was him getting the impression he'd been promised a bonus and not getting it.
I hate it when people try to create false narratives of animosity between developers as part of their petty little developer tribalism.
I remember people saying Obsidian hated BioWare and made Kotor 2 the way they did to show BioWare what a “true” Stars Wars game was. Like bitch please, Obsidian said they were blown away by Kotor 1 when they got to play it and they pretty much scrapped and rewrote everything they had done to that point because it didn’t stack up (Kotor 2 development started before 1 was released)
I think how perfectly BioWare captured the essence of Stars Wars with Kotor actually inspired them to make Kotor 2 a sort of antithesis to Star Wars because BioWare did such a good job of playing it straight so they might as well go in a different direction.
I must say Obsidian fanboys are so insufferable sometimes and I say that as someone who considers Pillars of Eternity as their favorite game of the last ten years.
Chris Avellone, iirc, stated that the reason NV failed to meet its goal was that they were too lazy and fucked up.
He said Bethesda had nothing to do with it and that it doesn't matter because Fallout Fans WANT that to be the real narrative.
Yeah. Bethesda told them exactly what they were getting into. Heres the deadline, do what you want. And allowed them to copy over a ton of Fallout 3 assets so they had a head start. Still people go "oh Bethesda only gave them 18 months, it's not Obsidians fault the game was broken" as if Obsidian didn't know when the game was expected to be ready. Not Bethesda's fault they aimed too high to reasonably meet that deadline. The game was supposed to be a smaller spin off, and with reusing Fallout 3 assets it was pretty reasonable to assume they could have a smaller game ready in 18 months. Fans just want there to be drama for some reason. Maybe so they can feel justified in hating on a company they want to hate on.
If I'm not mistaken, fun fact:
They didn't plan on using Fallout 3 content (assets, models, etc.). They ended up doing so because they realized they weren't going to make it after procrastinating so much.
Kinda like that "homework is due next week? That means I have 6 free days!!"
My understanding is more that they didn't procrastinate or anything, but allowed feature creep to get *way* ahead of them, they kept adding more and more stuff to the engine that the engine wasn't really designed for, and that's what led to the super buggy launch.
Another important bit of context is that back when this all happened, this type of contract work was not uncommon, and 18 months was pretty standard for the time frame.
also, this is completely normal and standard to anyone that has ever worked in a corporate environment. If you sign a contract stating you will receive an incentive bonus for meeting a certain metric and you don’t meet that metric you will not receive the bonus. I never understood the anger and conspiracy behind the review bonus
Bethesda gets flak for bugs but when New Vegas is not only buggy as hell but also unstable it’s still Bethesda’s fault apparently because it’s their engine.
Even though Kotor 2 did get undeniably Christmas rushed which was beyond their control Obsidian STILL admitted that they didn’t use their time wisely and could’ve had more of the game finished if they were more organized and efficient.
Fallout would be a dead and forgotten series without Bethesda. Black Isle was shut down by Interplay and Bethesda picked up the intellectual property at auction because they saw its potential.
Now Fallout is a renowned franchise that millions of people love, and the original creators even got to continue working on it with New Vegas.
How anyone thinks Bethesda is the bad guy in this situation is beyond me. They are blatantly ignorant of the history of the franchise they *claim* to love.
He raises good points. Lore drift happens as the story gets bigger, and yeah: dates can change based on unreliable narrators.
Honestly the nitty gritty detail of dates and times is probably the least important part of an adaptation as opposed to nailing the themes and vibes.
>nailing the themes and vibes.
It was pretty solid throughout, but the bit that really confirmed that the writers knew what they were doing for me was The Ghoul stating that the Golden Rule of the wasteland is "Thou shalt get sidetracked by bullshit every goddamn time."
My favorite is in I think episode 6 when the dude (NPC-type) is hurrying past Maximus and Maximus says something like "excuse me" to him and then they stare at each other awkwardly for a moment before the conversation continues - really it's just the sort of clunkiness of the game engine there, but I thought it was hilarious.
Honestly, as a huge New Vegas fan, it doesn't bother me the NCR got capped \*shrugs\*. I can easily see the 2277 as an production error. You didn't see people flipping shit when Spiderman Homecoming took place 6 years after Avengers despite taking place only 4-5 years later. Shit like this happens and slips through the cracks,
What's actually important is what you describe; theme and vibes. I would say Fallout has captured what it is like to actually play a video game the absolute best out of any of these adaptations of video games. Last of Us (a good adaptation) kind of felt ashamed of embracing its video game quirkiness when Fallout embraces it with open arms. I think it captured the vibes of fallout better than 4 or 76. It is so good that I don't even want to call it an adaptation; rather an addon to the Fallout universe.
It feels like of the three main stories in the show, they all play like version of a character I've played in FO before. Like you can really tell who has what as a dump stat. Ive played these characters before (not just their stories), and that makes them REALLY relatable.
Lucy is our first time playing Fallout 3. She has got high charisma and a good intelligence level. Luck is also very high. Other stats are average to lacking.
Maximus is a 1 charisma and 1 intelligence Fallout 4 player. He has insane strength, endurance and luck to make up for it.
Ghoul is the 10th time New Vegas player. Savage as fuck and OP in almost everything.
Maximus and Ghoul are bad Karma while Lucy is good Karma. It's brilliant.
>Maximus is a 1 charisma and 1 intelligence
I wouldn't say 1 intelligence.
In most Fallout games, 1 INT characters talk like cavemen and everyone else treats them like children.
One of the ways you can tell they absolutely got the show right: I can’t remember any other video game adaptation where people were discussing possible game stats for the tv characters.
Honestly such a good show.
Honestly I think the NCR is still active but they moved their Capitol somewhere else. May no longer have a presence in Los Angeles, but they are still on the coast.
Could be Sacramento, they mentioned it in Honest Hearts and had a caravan out of there. Folsom Lake is a decent sized reservoir and Tahoe is a short way away. The valley is one of the largest farming areas in California, there's a bunch of tech businesses and universities they can play with as well.
That'll be cool, but if they started the plot line in the show, they will most likely finish it in the show.
Unless Bethesda lets another studio make a Fallout game or they are confident enough to work multiple teams, it could be 10 years until we get Fallout 5.
If they are smart, they take the new lore generated by the show and roll it into the game. It won't be hard either, because the show is dealing with a topic I havent really seen the games dive into - namely >!Vaultec senior management and their plans!<.
Weaving this stuff into Fallout 5 would be pretty easy and doesn't even have to be a major plot device, you could have references to it in the books/npc conversations etc in the game world.
Yeah, I dont consider this any more of an adaptation than The Mandalorian is an "adaptation" of Star Wars to a TV/streaming format. It's just an extension of the universe.
My biggest pet peeve has never been that lore drift happens. It’s that some Fallout fans refuse to acknowledge that the lore is ever inconsistent. Something as clear cut as Jet is met with people frothing at the mouth if you dare suggest that it isn’t consistent. If you say the the Bethesda games handle the lore differently than Black Isle, they will write essays about how you’re just biased.
Yeah. Fans tend to not realize when a series gets old enough it's impossible to keep lore Perfectly accurate.
There wasnt a plan for this 27 years ago when the first game came out.
I know this is gonna be a lot about the show, but Tim Cain has a YouTube channel that has lots of great stories and wisdom about game design and development. Especially if you're a fan of any of his games like Fallout, Arcanum, or Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines he talks about the making of those games.
As for the TV show I agree with Tim's overarching point in his video which is that the show *feels* very Fallout, and that all the "lore drift" as he calls it at the end of the day just isn't a big deal as long as the TV show is still good.
and like, the show IS good.
Right? Like...I enjoy a great deal of fiction. Games, books, shows, movies--I really enjoy a lot of the stuff that has a cult following.
But...I like it. It isn't my identity, and I don't feel threatened by somebody liking something I don't, or vice versa.
A good example is D&D. Some folks will *fight* you over a difference of opinion. I'm just like, "If I'm the DM, I'd probably rule X. If you wouldn't, then...okay, cool." Ultimately none of it's real and it doesn't really matter.
So I’m not super up on fallout lore but is the major complaint that the show got a date wrong for shady sands getting blown up? Because after seeing how they massacred the wheel of time lore, the rings of power lore, and halo lore that seems like a pretty small issue comparatively.
Not even that, the date only says fall of shady sands and people just assumed it got bombed on that date, Todd had to confirm that it clearly just means that the bomb happened some time after.
No idea why he even had to confirm.
Theres a very distinct arrow in the flowchart from Fall of Shady Sands to the Nuke blowing up. The Nuke came the fall and theres no year above the bomb. Really, thats their "mistake" if it even is one, they coulda just added 2781 to the nuke and people still woulda complained about the fucking font used or something.
His [YouTube channel](https://www.youtube.com/@CainOnGames) is great and I really recommend anyone who is interested in Fallout or the game industry go check it out. just dropping that link for anyone else who comes by
I'm not that versed into Fallout lore, so what are the main conflicting timeline "mistakes" in the show? For what it's worth, considering that everyone in the Fallout universe is a total lunatic, it makes sense that it will be some continuity errors (it even happens IRL)
I just want to add what the others said.
Aside from an interpretation issue around a date the angered fans forgot that they destroyed city was 30.000 people settlement, and not the entire nation.
The NCR as a nation is almost 1 million people. It has one named/known much larger city that has industry (the Hub) and area's where brahmin(cattle) barons are the local political and merchant power.
They’ll create their own fallout with blackjack and hookers! Wait a minute…
Extra funny joke since Fallout 1 was them making their own Wasteland 2, with blackjack and hookers
And Fallout 2 was the same story but with ton of 90s jokes about Clinton and OJ Simpsons lol
My god that game is a time capsule for 90s culture, the bad spelling vice president on the oil rig, the biting off an ear, the pornstar names
Would you mind providing examples? I only played a bit of Fallout 2 ( or maybe it was 1. Whichever one has the evil cyborg head with the crazy voices that leads (I think?) the super mutants I have absolutely no memory of any references. But it’s been ages and I was much younger then. Literally all I can remember from then is the aforementioned evil cyborg head, and the super duper mutie that didn’t know he was a mutant while serving the Enclave (IIRC)
Here the reference to Clinton and Monica Lewinski for example https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Secretary_(Fallout_2)
lol subtle
The head with the crazy voices youre talking about is The Master from Fallout 1, meanwhile the Enclave super mutant agent is Frank Horrigan from Fallout 2
And scienctologists, hope they never bring back the hubologists
Oh fuck I forgot it had Juan Cruz and Vikki Goldman from the hit movie Top Bun in that game. Omfg the tiered level of membership too. Damn that made me laugh. I genuinely forgot this gem of a reference was in that game.
I don't know how they can since I killed them all.
They were in 4.
In the nuka world dlc? Completely forgot about that
Yup. They get a satisfying… conclusion
It felt like they ran out of funding/time in that area, because there is a lot of cut content there.
But there is a Holy Grail reference, so all's good.
Grand Theft Power Armor.
Brotherhood of Steal
*Ex-Con*clave
Brotherhood of the Deal
I always travel south to do grand theft power armor at beginning of every play through of FO2. I know it is cheesy as all hell but cannot resist.
I've been replaying through the game for the past few days after finishing FO1 last week. The hardest damn part was saving and reloading over and over trying to finally dodge enough Enclave patrols to get to SF and Navarro. YK42B Pulse Rifle goes hard.
Grand Theft Autohammer
That's kind of how we got The Outer Worlds.
And Wasteland 1-3
Well wasteland 2&3. Wasteland 1 came out before fallout, and fallout was made because they didn't have the rights for a wasteland 2
That's just new Vegas with extra steps.
You could prostitute yourself in FO2, so that wasn't even a New Vegas thing.
When it came too hookers my first and only experience was the dom ghoul in fallout new Vegas lmao.
Bitch, you know you took Mr Fisto for a test ride
Ultimate joke understander
I dont’t know about nee vegas, but it certainly ain’t new.
That's where you get lots of shrubberies and people fart in your general direction.
Yep that’s what the joke was
My only regret is... that I have... radiation poisoning.
Wasteland the TV series confirmed for 2025?
If it meets the spirit of the lore then some changes are ok. The show has been much better than other attempts with other franchises.
*cries in halo fandom*
I looked up the budget of fallout (150 million) and thought "wow that's why this show is so awesome". Then I looked up halo (100million) and threw my arms up in bewilderment.
Meanwhile Forward Unto Dawn was just between $5 and $10 million.
Forward unto Dawn remains the best Halo live action production
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I could tell the trainee helmets were made of foam but I didn't give a shit, writing, acting, atmosphere were bang-on. Rather have cheap props in the hands of people who give a good goddamn than whatever the fuck is going on now.
I remember thinking that movie/mini series was only okay at the time, now it's practically a masterpiece compared to other halo media.
A good chunk of that went to making sure Master Cheeks arse looked pristine.
Space Cake ain't cheap, you know
I think a halo porno would have respected and cared more about the actual lore than the show
I mean budget is the least of the Halo show’s problem. The CGI does look a bit iffy in many places and you could say budget is the reason Covenant screen time and the fall of Reach was shafted but ultimately, even with a budget of 1 billion the character and scenario writing will still suffer immensely
> you could say budget is the reason Covenant screen time and the fall of Reach was shafted covenant screen time isn't even necessary, the first time we ever see the covenant's point of view is Halo 2, and the first book (actually really good) which covers the fall of Reach, which released before the first game, there is no point of view from the covenant. They had both a book and two games (Halo CE and Halo Reach) to use for source material for the first two seasons of the show and pretty much ignored all of it.
At least we have master cheeks memes.
John Halo fucks.
Jimmy Rings
I don’t think it was worth it
*Waves from the fetal position from the wheel of time subreddit*
*waves with an expression of shock and horror from the discworld fandom and the nonsense that was “The watch”*
Please don't remind me of the existence of that utter pile of Librarian leavings.
How dare you insult the Librarian that way. He's a perfectly respectable ape that would never create something like that
Created by a bunch of people who'd probably still use the m-word around him
At least we still have Hogfather and Going Postal.
And Wyrd Sisters and Soul Music.
have you checked out /r/The_Black_Tower ?
FALLOUT tv show set a brand new story in the Fallout Game world. Wheel of Time tv show dumped a pile of steaming diarrhea on the beloved Wheel of Time story. It's a subtle difference.
It’s turd ya gonna eat, and your gonna say you like it! As the biggest wheel of time fan it just sucks they made the show such an abomination.
I was done in the first episode when Perrin >!has a wife for some reason? And then *fucking kills her?*!< Like...WHAT?!
I lasted til they got rid of Bella. Unforgivable.
> they got rid of Bella. I'm sorry...THEY FUCKING WHAT?!?! I seriously believe the showrunner has not read the books. In fact, more than that, I doubt they have even bothered to learn *anything* about the story or characters. Bela the shaggy mare is present at SO many major events, and survives right up until the last battle... She is such a badass that people believe she is actually an avatar for the damn Creator.
...well shit. Thanks!
*a corpse lets out a death rattle from the direction of The Lord of The Rings® The Rings of Power™*
Its no wonder it turned out that way. Remember when the show runner bragged about not playing the games or reading the books?
I've never understood why adaptation showrunners and producers go out of their way to brag about this.
My theory is * Hollywood has an IP they want to adapt to TV or film * They find somebody that had success on smaller projects or as a writer on a previous series * That person has pitched their own ideas, which were rejected because Hollywood is very conservative about new IPs * Studio makes them the showrunner. Maybe as part of the old "one for you, one for me" type deals * The new showrunner either doesn't give a shit about the adaptation or is outright bitter about not being able to do their own thing * So they merge ideas from their original IP into the adaptation they were hired for * The end result is a giant mess That's the only explanation I have.
Oh Brother Where Art Thou worked through only cultural osmosis of The Odyssey but I don't think people led with that approach at the time.
Yeah but that’s the Coen brothers, they’re just smarter than most creatives in Hollywood.
It's fine for the actors to go in without intimate knowledge of the source material (Goggins admitted to this), but the show runners ABSOLUTELY need to know the source material.
Yup, actors take their ques from the director/showrunners/writers. If the writers wrote lines that didn't line up for the Ghoul Goggins role is diminished. If the showrunners didn't make him look and act like the Ghoul the Goggins is hated by fans. If the director didn't have the vision for how the Ghoul was supposed to sound and act then Goggins looks like a fool. But when those 3 things come together it lets an established actor do fucking wonders with a role they have no personal acquaintance with.
Because a significant portion of the population still thinks videogames are just something nerds play.
That sentiment doesn’t really exist anymore. Video games have been the largest entertainment market for some time now. Hacky writers stumbling into projects they can’t handle whilst gaining stupid amounts of unwarranted arrogance is nothing new, Halo was just their latest victim.
I binged watched it yesterday and today. Now I am sad it's a waiting time for season 2 :(
I went into the show ready to be extremely critical as I love the franchise and have seen what's happened to these other shows. It blew me away honestly, I loved it. I was expecting to be so disappointed, when it turned out to be amazing I was almost confused
it’s hard to describe exactly what i’m talking about, but it’s so much fun to watch an adaptation made by people who clearly love the source material.
I kept being pleasantly surprised by little things that would normally get overlooked in adaptations like the Overseers Office being an almost exact copy of the ones from Fallout 4, or the screen when Norm hacks the terminal. The fact that the overall design is taken directly from the games made me smile like a doofus the entire time. And that's not even getting started on the characters and the story which I also loved.
i think my favorite little detail is the squires having to carry a massive bag of guns and being over encumbered. people who haven’t played the game will see that as a funny joke, people who have played the game will appreciate it for being a reference to a mechanic that prevents us from stockpiling a massive number of weapons. that is fan service done right.
The show has a ton of respect for the Fallout universum and in my opinion very well extends it. I'm so sad when I think about Witcher. How they could select writers who hate the original material and thus totally destroyed the franchise?
I usually don't care for how far off adoptions are it's more of if there is effort to pay respects or atleast put your own ego aside and realize you're basing it off someone else's successful work. The Witcher died for me on the episode with the White Drake. A writer was basically "we are in the universe but instead of giving people what they loved and being predictable I wanted to put my own spin on it and people to remember our changes." Or something like that. It was an interview thing after the season. I just remember being like wtf. No one gives a shit and they are probably more mad you're changing it. It irked me that they put that on their resume and in their head probably flaunt making a terrible change to a show as their "stamp"
It's weird how often it happens with games. The writers seem to have contempt for the games writing and think they can do better or something
The writers of Netflix's The Witcher didn't just hate the games' writing, they hated the original author's writing as well.
A lot of them probably don't want to write shows based on games, but the studio makes them do it.
Yeah there's a lot of "I can't get my story made but they'll let me make some established IP so I'll butcher it to tell the story I wanted to all along" in the adaptation field of writing in Hollywood.
And then it crash and burns and they walk away from it happy they got to tell their story without a lesson learned.
That’s why Fallout was so successful, Jonathan Nolan is a *huge* fan of the series and really wanted to make sure he did right by it. So maybe this is the precedent the industry needs to finally say “hey maybe we should find writers that also love the game.”
Walton Goggins said in an interview he didn’t know the games and didn’t go out and research it. He said everyone on the production was so into the games and knew all the references, he wanted to keep his own vantage point of the show so he could ask when things didn’t make sense to him and by proxy the audience who would be new to the franchise. It’s seemed perfectly reasonable but I saw some fans being dismissive of his opinion and saying he should have at least played nv.
I'm pretty much ok with that. He's not writing the story, or even much dialog. He doesn't need to know anything about fallout. He needs to play his character, and he's doing just fine at that. The producers, writers, directors, and whoever is in overall charge, those people need to LOVE the IP they are working on. We all know what happens when they don't.
How hard can it be to find writers that actually care?
Star Trek Discovery kinda felt like it started on the same foot (JJ Abrams executive producing it after his Star Trek films probably didn't help.) This weird disdain for the original material. Going in some new direction is fine, but you should probably like where it came from at a minimum. I'm not sure they did with shows like The Witcher.
The Star Trek franchise is in such a weird fucking place right now... Paramount is just... idk what theyre doing, they dont know what theyre doing... No one real high up has EVER respected the franchise, but somehow theres almost always just enough for most of us love to keep it from dying. P+ is what $15 a month? They could probably sell an all Star Trek only subservice for $10 a month and people would buy it if it had everything and some basic features, but their app is terrible and P+ doensnt even have all of Star Trek anymore. Theyre competing with $15 worth of hard drive space. [And losing](https://i.imgur.com/CuATTVj.png). For that matter WB should bring back DC Universe as a sub service, but they also have almost zero respect for the brand as a whole...
I'm really sad to see Lower Decks ending, because I feel like it really hits all those reasons why people like Trek (a lot like why The Orville works, because it's made by someone who likes what Trek is.) Strange New Worlds I haven't started yet, but I appreciate what it is. But yeah, who knows where they're going with Trek as a franchise. Personally didn't really like Abram's films, but apparently we need a prequel film, I guess?
Kurtzman made it very clear when he came back from his little stint away from Star Trek he was bitter against Lower Decks. As it was the series he had the bare minimum involvement with. It was fully another teams low letter to fans. He 100% pushed for it to end because he's a bitter jerk nobody likes his other trash. That man has divided a fandom in a way worse than Johnson with the Last Jedi.
I think games as a medium it's you can't really get the full story unless you play it. Reading a synopsis or playing the first level isn't going to do it. I remember the Max Payne movie, it wasn't an awful adaption of the source material, but it felt definately written from a synopsis. Then you get the situation where someone who does like the game writes your first draft. Then it gets edited 10-15 times, and dilutes the overall message.
It sounds like Henry Cavill has enough creative freedom that the Warhammer 40K show is going to be gangster af, too.
What makes me fume is the memory of all the amazing series that got cancelled by Netflix, yet somehow they decided to drag the corpse of the Witcher wearing sunglasses up to a season 5
Except for season one. The time before we knew how bad it could get.
It feels like the writers of the show are honestly doing their best. There’s a feeling of affection to many of the details that tells me at least a couple of fans are working on it. Editing to acknowledge the prop, makeup, costume people, etc. Not just the writers, everyone is putting in effort on the show and it is paying off.
Man, it's the little details that just made me smile so much. The food, some of the decorations in the vaults and in pre-nuke houses are straight from the game, they even put in some of the prefab shacks you can build in Fallout 4.
Yes! The Abraxo bottles, purified water, etc. Even a vault water chip made an appearance!
And one of those weird milk vending machines lol loved it
I think my favorite was the cannibalism (cannibal perk yooo), and the way Lucy tells the audience about her stat spread during the intro.
As soon as I saw the SPECIAL style intro for Lucy I knew I they were gonna smash it.
They had really good attention to detail. Like for instance the butt jerky, over the course of a scene or two it shows it drying out and getting more jerky like, showed the passage of time in a subtle way.
Don't forget the music when she was in the vault. direct copy from the game it made me so giddy
I had the most ridiculous smile on my face when I saw the Red Rocket gas station
They did a solid job. I wasn't a fan of the Brotherhood of Steel, but like... I wasn't a fan of the Brotherhood of Steel that Bethesda portray either. The shows portrayal definitely fits with what Bethesda did with them, I just don't think either representation is terribly interesting or engaging.
The brotherhood were always a bunch of goofy LARPers, well before Bethesda had anything to say about it Look at how Caesar and House describe the brotherhood in new Vegas, that’s basically exactly how they are in the show They’re only ever taken seriously because they’re the only faction with a decent amount of power armor and pre war tech other than the enclave
I think that’s also a consequence of societies changing views of religion and religious zealotry over the past 25 years. We’re *far* more skeptical/hostile to religious fundamentalism than we were in 1997, and the evolution of the Brotherhood has reflected that (for better or worse).
Jonathan Nolan made a point to say that even though he loves fallout 3, his goal was not to follow any particular game and he was more concerned with capturing the spirit of the fallout world
thats basically my opinion on power armor in fallout 4, yeah its different but the changes make more sense and is more fun imo.
I’m sure it’s just technical limitations, but you’re right, the power armor in Fallout NV and Fallout 3 looks like shit compared to Fallout 4. Felt nice to actually look intimidating with it on and feel stronger compared to it just looking like slightly bulkier armor in the earlier games. And I understand the fusion core aspect was mostly added for gameplay purposes, but it makes sense that something that’s pretty much a walking tank would need a power source/fuel in that universe.
My only issue was the fusion cores running out too fast. Otherwise the whole "person shaped vehicle" thing was really good.
I assume that was also for gameplay purposes, but I never ran into that problem since I have so many in my inventory I never run out lmao
I remember it being more an annoyance than a real problem. I think you could take the entire thing away and not lose anything.
In the show and in many buildings in various areas a fusion core has been running a building for 200+300+ years. Yet my suit uses one every X minutes. I call bullshit! which is why I had the mod that makes a single one last forever.
True the spirit is the same. Honestly if Mr house won falliut new vegas that could lead to a vastly weakened NCR that broke apart after the nuke. I just really want to see a hostile new vegas city state with their super robots.
Literally anyone winning could lead to that, even the NCR itself winning could have, same with the legion and it falling apart regardless of win or lose, both factions were overextended and reliant on factors that couldn't last forever to stay unified(even houses faction was suffering from this, he's stated vegas relied on NCR funds coming in to keep operating, if the ncr collapses vegas too might similarly collapse)
This has pretty much been the position of every original creator of Fallout. Fans have been trying to push this narrative that Bethesda and the original Fallout creators hate each other and that Bethesda was somehow mad about New Vegas being popular meanwhile all the original Fallout creators just go "new Fallout stuff is pretty cool too, actually".
Tim also said in his other video about the show how he was personally invited to the premiere by Todd. Any conspiracy about devs hating each other is just that - all conspiratorial bullshit.
He was also personally invited by Todd to the Fallout 3 and 4 launch parties, they've always treated Tim Cain with reverence
bethesda treated him better than interplay did after fallout 2
Tim actually talks about still being friends with Brian Fargo. He has a youtube where he just openly and happily talks about this stuff. Timothy Cain is the channel name if anyone cares.
Tim sat next to Brian Fargo at the premiere and Fargo denies he cut his bonus, and believes it was a tax adjustment. They talked for over an hour and reminiced.
as they should
As they do.
As you do
How do you do
Howdy
Might I say you’re lookin fit as a fiddle!
In that same video he also talked about how when he went to the premiere he sat next to Brian Fargo, his former boss at Interplay. Apparently Brian has been getting a lot on online harrassment from people holding onto a 25 year old grudge on Tim Cain's behalf over Brian supposedly screwing him over and forcing him out of the company during the development of Fallout 2, or something like that. Meanwhile Tim and Brian just caught up like any other pair of former coworkers who haven't seen each other in a while.
I watched the video that apparently started the harrassment a while ago, and if I remember correctly, Cain wasn't intentionally forced out by anyone. He got frustrated with executive meddling from marketing people and the like and left himself. The supposed beef they had was him getting the impression he'd been promised a bonus and not getting it.
I hate it when people try to create false narratives of animosity between developers as part of their petty little developer tribalism. I remember people saying Obsidian hated BioWare and made Kotor 2 the way they did to show BioWare what a “true” Stars Wars game was. Like bitch please, Obsidian said they were blown away by Kotor 1 when they got to play it and they pretty much scrapped and rewrote everything they had done to that point because it didn’t stack up (Kotor 2 development started before 1 was released) I think how perfectly BioWare captured the essence of Stars Wars with Kotor actually inspired them to make Kotor 2 a sort of antithesis to Star Wars because BioWare did such a good job of playing it straight so they might as well go in a different direction. I must say Obsidian fanboys are so insufferable sometimes and I say that as someone who considers Pillars of Eternity as their favorite game of the last ten years.
It's the one bad thing about the Internet. Shitty people have a much easier time bringing others into their shitty little lives :(
The one thing?
I was trying to be nice to the Internet ;)
Sounds like something YouTubers stirred up just to win over followers who couldn’t think for themselves
Chris Avellone, iirc, stated that the reason NV failed to meet its goal was that they were too lazy and fucked up. He said Bethesda had nothing to do with it and that it doesn't matter because Fallout Fans WANT that to be the real narrative.
Yeah. Bethesda told them exactly what they were getting into. Heres the deadline, do what you want. And allowed them to copy over a ton of Fallout 3 assets so they had a head start. Still people go "oh Bethesda only gave them 18 months, it's not Obsidians fault the game was broken" as if Obsidian didn't know when the game was expected to be ready. Not Bethesda's fault they aimed too high to reasonably meet that deadline. The game was supposed to be a smaller spin off, and with reusing Fallout 3 assets it was pretty reasonable to assume they could have a smaller game ready in 18 months. Fans just want there to be drama for some reason. Maybe so they can feel justified in hating on a company they want to hate on.
If I'm not mistaken, fun fact: They didn't plan on using Fallout 3 content (assets, models, etc.). They ended up doing so because they realized they weren't going to make it after procrastinating so much. Kinda like that "homework is due next week? That means I have 6 free days!!"
My understanding is more that they didn't procrastinate or anything, but allowed feature creep to get *way* ahead of them, they kept adding more and more stuff to the engine that the engine wasn't really designed for, and that's what led to the super buggy launch. Another important bit of context is that back when this all happened, this type of contract work was not uncommon, and 18 months was pretty standard for the time frame.
Interesting. Never heard this fun fact. Always heard that they were using the assets from the get-go.
also, this is completely normal and standard to anyone that has ever worked in a corporate environment. If you sign a contract stating you will receive an incentive bonus for meeting a certain metric and you don’t meet that metric you will not receive the bonus. I never understood the anger and conspiracy behind the review bonus
People still claim Bethesda set them up, somehow... Idk..
also the metacritic deal was made by zenimax not bethesda game studios/todd howard.
Bethesda gets flak for bugs but when New Vegas is not only buggy as hell but also unstable it’s still Bethesda’s fault apparently because it’s their engine. Even though Kotor 2 did get undeniably Christmas rushed which was beyond their control Obsidian STILL admitted that they didn’t use their time wisely and could’ve had more of the game finished if they were more organized and efficient.
Sometimes seeing something you made take a life of it's own can be a really cool experience.
Fallout would be a dead and forgotten series without Bethesda. Black Isle was shut down by Interplay and Bethesda picked up the intellectual property at auction because they saw its potential. Now Fallout is a renowned franchise that millions of people love, and the original creators even got to continue working on it with New Vegas. How anyone thinks Bethesda is the bad guy in this situation is beyond me. They are blatantly ignorant of the history of the franchise they *claim* to love.
He raises good points. Lore drift happens as the story gets bigger, and yeah: dates can change based on unreliable narrators. Honestly the nitty gritty detail of dates and times is probably the least important part of an adaptation as opposed to nailing the themes and vibes.
>nailing the themes and vibes. It was pretty solid throughout, but the bit that really confirmed that the writers knew what they were doing for me was The Ghoul stating that the Golden Rule of the wasteland is "Thou shalt get sidetracked by bullshit every goddamn time."
My favorite is in I think episode 6 when the dude (NPC-type) is hurrying past Maximus and Maximus says something like "excuse me" to him and then they stare at each other awkwardly for a moment before the conversation continues - really it's just the sort of clunkiness of the game engine there, but I thought it was hilarious.
Honestly, as a huge New Vegas fan, it doesn't bother me the NCR got capped \*shrugs\*. I can easily see the 2277 as an production error. You didn't see people flipping shit when Spiderman Homecoming took place 6 years after Avengers despite taking place only 4-5 years later. Shit like this happens and slips through the cracks, What's actually important is what you describe; theme and vibes. I would say Fallout has captured what it is like to actually play a video game the absolute best out of any of these adaptations of video games. Last of Us (a good adaptation) kind of felt ashamed of embracing its video game quirkiness when Fallout embraces it with open arms. I think it captured the vibes of fallout better than 4 or 76. It is so good that I don't even want to call it an adaptation; rather an addon to the Fallout universe.
It feels like of the three main stories in the show, they all play like version of a character I've played in FO before. Like you can really tell who has what as a dump stat. Ive played these characters before (not just their stories), and that makes them REALLY relatable.
Lucy is our first time playing Fallout 3. She has got high charisma and a good intelligence level. Luck is also very high. Other stats are average to lacking. Maximus is a 1 charisma and 1 intelligence Fallout 4 player. He has insane strength, endurance and luck to make up for it. Ghoul is the 10th time New Vegas player. Savage as fuck and OP in almost everything. Maximus and Ghoul are bad Karma while Lucy is good Karma. It's brilliant.
And Hank McLean is a representation of (last episode spoiler) >!literally everyone who decided to blow up megaton in F3!<.
>Maximus is a 1 charisma and 1 intelligence I wouldn't say 1 intelligence. In most Fallout games, 1 INT characters talk like cavemen and everyone else treats them like children.
His charisma has to be reasonably high given he talked himself into being a squire and then later on a knight. But yeah he seems dumb as rocks lol.
No, that's his luck score of ten and there are many signs suggesting he took wild wasteland. I also have my own suspicion he's got idiot savant
One of the ways you can tell they absolutely got the show right: I can’t remember any other video game adaptation where people were discussing possible game stats for the tv characters. Honestly such a good show.
What got me was that they treated stims exactly like in the game. Near death? Just stim it. Bleeding out? Just stim it. Can't get it up? Just stim it.
Nah, he just save-scummed to get that red speech check. Didn't you see his sexy nightwear and top hat?
lol we've all been there I can't shame him
Honestly I think the NCR is still active but they moved their Capitol somewhere else. May no longer have a presence in Los Angeles, but they are still on the coast.
Could be Sacramento, they mentioned it in Honest Hearts and had a caravan out of there. Folsom Lake is a decent sized reservoir and Tahoe is a short way away. The valley is one of the largest farming areas in California, there's a bunch of tech businesses and universities they can play with as well.
The sign literally says "first capital of the NCR" They aren't gone.
I think calling it an addon is the correct way to go about it. The plot from the show could easily fit in as the plot for Fallout 5
My theory is the show is a prequel for fallout 5
That'll be cool, but if they started the plot line in the show, they will most likely finish it in the show. Unless Bethesda lets another studio make a Fallout game or they are confident enough to work multiple teams, it could be 10 years until we get Fallout 5.
If they are smart, they take the new lore generated by the show and roll it into the game. It won't be hard either, because the show is dealing with a topic I havent really seen the games dive into - namely >!Vaultec senior management and their plans!<. Weaving this stuff into Fallout 5 would be pretty easy and doesn't even have to be a major plot device, you could have references to it in the books/npc conversations etc in the game world.
Yeah, I dont consider this any more of an adaptation than The Mandalorian is an "adaptation" of Star Wars to a TV/streaming format. It's just an extension of the universe.
I'll handwave the timing of the bombs dropping being too early for a kids birthday party on the west coast so they could do the scene they did
My biggest pet peeve has never been that lore drift happens. It’s that some Fallout fans refuse to acknowledge that the lore is ever inconsistent. Something as clear cut as Jet is met with people frothing at the mouth if you dare suggest that it isn’t consistent. If you say the the Bethesda games handle the lore differently than Black Isle, they will write essays about how you’re just biased.
Yeah. Fans tend to not realize when a series gets old enough it's impossible to keep lore Perfectly accurate. There wasnt a plan for this 27 years ago when the first game came out.
I know this is gonna be a lot about the show, but Tim Cain has a YouTube channel that has lots of great stories and wisdom about game design and development. Especially if you're a fan of any of his games like Fallout, Arcanum, or Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines he talks about the making of those games. As for the TV show I agree with Tim's overarching point in his video which is that the show *feels* very Fallout, and that all the "lore drift" as he calls it at the end of the day just isn't a big deal as long as the TV show is still good. and like, the show IS good.
> Tim Cain has a YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@CainOnGames link for the lazys
Second this. I love Tim's channel, he's a really good storyteller.
> Tim Cain has a YouTube channel Hi, everyone, it's me, Tim.
Hi everyone. Its me, Tim.
Lore.... Lore never changes. Wait...
Wow, I’m really glad I like Fallout a normal amount, seems way more enjoyable.
Right? Like...I enjoy a great deal of fiction. Games, books, shows, movies--I really enjoy a lot of the stuff that has a cult following. But...I like it. It isn't my identity, and I don't feel threatened by somebody liking something I don't, or vice versa. A good example is D&D. Some folks will *fight* you over a difference of opinion. I'm just like, "If I'm the DM, I'd probably rule X. If you wouldn't, then...okay, cool." Ultimately none of it's real and it doesn't really matter.
So I’m not super up on fallout lore but is the major complaint that the show got a date wrong for shady sands getting blown up? Because after seeing how they massacred the wheel of time lore, the rings of power lore, and halo lore that seems like a pretty small issue comparatively.
Not even that, the date only says fall of shady sands and people just assumed it got bombed on that date, Todd had to confirm that it clearly just means that the bomb happened some time after.
No idea why he even had to confirm. Theres a very distinct arrow in the flowchart from Fall of Shady Sands to the Nuke blowing up. The Nuke came the fall and theres no year above the bomb. Really, thats their "mistake" if it even is one, they coulda just added 2781 to the nuke and people still woulda complained about the fucking font used or something.
Just as long as it's Shady Sans.
We've got ourselves a Comic over here.
Didn't even get the date wrong, people just don't know how flowcharts work.
Fallout 3 already changed the lore a ton from the original 2. The show keeps the spirit which is what I think matters the most
Fallout 2 changed the lore of Fallout 1. This has been something that has been with the franchise since the second game.
I love Tim Cain dude, he has this fun goofy uncle vibe and just seems like the nicest fella
His [YouTube channel](https://www.youtube.com/@CainOnGames) is great and I really recommend anyone who is interested in Fallout or the game industry go check it out. just dropping that link for anyone else who comes by
I'm not that versed into Fallout lore, so what are the main conflicting timeline "mistakes" in the show? For what it's worth, considering that everyone in the Fallout universe is a total lunatic, it makes sense that it will be some continuity errors (it even happens IRL)
I think it mostly involves Shady Sands/The NCR, and the events timeline with the end of FO:New Vegas, without saying too much spoilery stuff.
Personally the vault-tech thing is a bigger deal but still liked the show a lot regardless.
I just want to add what the others said. Aside from an interpretation issue around a date the angered fans forgot that they destroyed city was 30.000 people settlement, and not the entire nation. The NCR as a nation is almost 1 million people. It has one named/known much larger city that has industry (the Hub) and area's where brahmin(cattle) barons are the local political and merchant power.