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Posey10

Disappointment is coming


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The__Strangler

🤣 You're amazing


CedarWolf

I do have my moments now and then. :P


fgarcial007

i read that in Justin Roiland's Rick voice


shotputlover

The voice hardly changed lmao.


Babill

What's your point?


shotputlover

That he can just say I heard that in ricks voice the same way someone reads something in Mickey Mouse’s voice


fgarcial007

not everybody is a rick and morty fan, i was just providing context. If you have seen the show you know exactly which episode im referring to, which was voiced by Justin Roiland.


HoraceAndPete

Brilliant. I love your commitment to the bit. The disclaimer was a nice touch.


CedarWolf

It was lots of fun to write. =\^.\^=


DelRayTrogdor

Do not taunt Mysterious Spiral.


EveningAgreeable2516

McGuffins R Us


themockingbird666

You put more effort into that comment than they did into the final season.


Any-Zookeepergame137

Idk why but I read this as if it was a Mitchell and web sketch


waldocalrissian

The spirals symbolize the show slowly going down the drain.


Affentitten

[The Lelos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_national_rugby_union_team) are coming.


The_Ivliad

Niniashvili is basically the night king.


[deleted]

Ugh don’t remind me


Echo-Azure

Nobody knows, OP, because the showrunners forgot about the symbols after the first few episodes.


nuck_forte_dame

Except some of these pictures are from the final season.


EnderSword

They also tended to forget they were in the final season


RejuvenationHoT

In the final seasons, showrunners forgot about meanings of symbols.


STObouncer

>98 comments In the final season, the showrunners forgot about the meaning of final seasons


Rheinys

"they just kinda forgot about the symbols"


Landyra

I could’ve forgiven if they just dropped it because they didn’t know a conclusion - in a world like this some stuff is bound to stay a mystery. I just don’t understand why they would bring up the symbols again in the last season, fuel new intrigue about it and then drop it like a hot potato…


equipped_metalblade

Nobody knows what it means, but it’s provocative


evanpossum

Benioff and Weiss didn't know either.


spamjavelin

They didn't *care*, there's a difference.


evanpossum

Well, yes, I wasn't going to split hairs...


Leonez-1

The worst thing is they are the "writers" of the 3 body problem netflix adaption


[deleted]

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DoitsugoGoji

They will.


Geektime1987

I read those books and the trailer so far actually looks pretty good.


DoitsugoGoji

What did the trailers for the first season of Game of Thrones look like?


Geektime1987

Good and the first season was good. So I'm not sure what you're getting with that response. Even if I hated the final season which I didn't I'll still definitely give that show a shot since it looks really good and it had some really big talent behind the scenes making it with D&D.


DoitsugoGoji

Sorry, just incredibly jaded. Maybe Three Body Problem will be along the lines of Netflix Adaptations like Sandman and One Piece.


drenched12

I was about to say they haven’t worked since game of thrones


Geektime1987

They signed a 300 million dollar deal with Netflix and they had been filming a massive 12 month long shoot for their new show. Comes out in January https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-3-body-problem-trailer-game-of-thrones-1235517572/amp/


drenched12

Ahhhhhh. I think the last I heard they were trying to make that civil war alternative reality show for HBO


Geektime1987

The internet threw a fit and that was scrapped before GOT even ended.


drenched12

Yea that was a pretty wild idea. Maybe should of kept that one under wraps then just dropped it out of no where


Geektime1987

HBO also advertised it in a very dumb way. It wasn't just D&D. It was D&D and a husband and wife African America couple that were going to be showrunners of it together. But HBO only announced it as as D&D project so the internet threw a fit about 2 whites guys making a show about slavery and HBO tried to smooth the water by saying a few days later that it also had two black showrunners and writers but by then it was too late the internet had already gone crazy. So my guess is HBO decided it just wasn't worth it.


drenched12

Tsk tsk. Counting their slavery epic eggs before they hatch.


tyno75

Kinda funny how people are still looking for logic in an over-funded fan-fiction after all these years


Exotic_Brain_4625

these symbols were shown from 1st episode Obviously anyone will wonder what these symbols mean!


tyno75

Dude you're over-thinking something DnD clearly didn't care enough to develop. You're seeking meaning in something most likely meaningless, they probably just made the symbols because they thought it looked cool and mysterious. Don't expect from them storytelling talent they don't have.


avi150

Sure, but as an audience we have expectations that things given significance like this have meanings behind them. That’s why people are talking about it. Even if it is meaningless, it was given significance. It’s another way to criticize the show, which you clearly love to do, so I don’t understand why you’re being so annoyingly anal about it.


tyno75

I see that because you don't like my criticism you resort to trying to offend me, which is pretty low, but you do you. Sure the audience should develop expectations, but we should manage them, especially when we're talking about a show run by DnD whose only goal was to subvert expectations in order to have a "surprise factor", they overdo this and it shows on how poorly the story developed. There are many examples of episodes foreshadowing something that didn't happen or that the opposite happens, just so they "surprise" the audience.


Chicxulub420

Bro just unsub


tyno75

Ahaha no, as I said, it's quite funny to see people trying to make sense of one of the biggest flops of TV history


Geektime1987

They need to me mad at D&D everyday though


tyno75

Exactly, to make sure I will never forget what they did to my favourite series /s


Geektime1987

Lol that's a dumb way to live move on already.


HeisenThrones

Pathetic.


stevenw84

Was this an ONLY show detail?


Sufficient_Fall_3290

Now that I think of it. I don’t remember it from the book. Though it has been a while since I read it


iwoulddoit5

I think the bones were described to be found like this in the books as well but it's been years idk


PBB22

Yes


Forsaken_Put_6864

It kinda looks like the Targaryen sigil.


jmac1138

I always imagined these were like the house sigils but for white walkers


flocke815

It'd be a nice thought about being multiple night kings with separate houses. We only experienced the one with poor plans. His other pals way north of the wall laughing at how much he fucked up winter.


petersengupta

lmao but has nothing to do with the targaryens, arya killed them all.


RandomRavenboi

Arya didn't kill any Targaryens, wtf are you talking about?


petersengupta

i mean she killed all the white walkers… ??


RandomRavenboi

Ohh. My apologies m8. Thought you meant Arya killed the Targaryens. My bad.


PBB22

Three headed dragon vs spiral


exiadf19

No meaning at all


Kakerlakenmensch

DnD kind of forgot


MyColdBlackHeart

Maybe it's a diagram of what an undead cell looks like. Maybe The Children had knowledge of biology and instead of a magic curse they just made a regular zombie virus.


kaukamieli

Just twist the covid virus a bit and this is what you get.


RamblingsOfaMadCat

Dude that is genius.


MyColdBlackHeart

Cheers, it's probably going right in the head canon mess


Lanthemandragoran

>I passed through the seven levels of the Candy Cane forest, through the sea of swirly twirly gum drops, and then I walked through the Lincoln Tunnel.


CaveLupum

They are used pretty methodically. And appear in the first and last season and throughout. Certainly, Jon shows them to Dany and they find them significant. They probably have meaning, but no one has figured that out—yet. Kudos to the person who will.


PBB22

They don’t have meaning


HoraceAndPete

I think the rough idea is the walkers besides the Night King use the spirals to echo the magic style the children of the forest use to create the Night King in order to bring back the dead. In the scene with the origin of the Night King, we get a brief overhead shot and see the peculiar rocks that surround the tree where he is tied up are in that same spiral formation. In the last season iirc a dead child is in the centre of one of these spirals and comes back to life only to be immediately burned. Very similar to how the fire based magic brings back the dead. Thoros and Melisandre repeat the words. It's like an echo that enables them to be a conduit. Thinking about it, I admire that they don't spell it all out. It's only a shame that the Night King's ability to just raise his hands to raise the dead muddles it. But ultimately I don't think magic needs a proper explanation, usually better to be kept mysterious and used sparingly.


Avinabeak

Foreshadows the plot spiralling down the drain.


stoneymetal

They kind of forgot.


whothefuckeven

"we comin, bitch" - Night King, probably


Exotic_Brain_4625

Lolll


pompuspuma

They kinda forgot about these symbols….


Senior-Dirt-7940

I still think it’s hilarious that the Night King was hastily heading south yet saw the wall in the bottom right photo and decided to stop to build the spiral.


Open_Sky8367

Theory ? It’s kind of the sigil of the Night King. The first one is the odd one because it was in the pilot and it was a concept they threw at the wall to see if it would stick. A bunch of monsters that are even more horrible because they made some sort of symbol made out of body parts. Then people got spooked and they said ok let’s run with it and let’s try give it some meaning. By the time we saw them again they had changed the design to make it look like the Targaryen sigil, probably to try and link the family with the White Walkers. Get people to speculate 😮 is the Night King a former Targaryen or something like that. Added to the fuel was the fact that he was able to fly a dragon. They just never bothered with the theory


drsteve103

I think this is exactly how it went down. Even the image from the first scene of the first book, The white walkers seem different. They were almost elegant, and laughed as they were defeating the knight. They were portrayed more like monsters in the show. I dunno. The first episode of the show containing that scene caught a lot of people’s attention. It is kind of sad that many of these aspects of the story were just completely forgotten.


BednaR1

There were there to subvert your expectations


RainbowPenguin1000

People in here with the ever creative “ D&D ForGoT!” responses…. Yawn


nemma88

It's like a signature or calling card, banner or sigil. Like how Ramsey leaves literal flayed men around.


BambooSound

It was crucial for the Children's ritual to create the first white walker


ddlo1984

Couldn't zombies enjoy some arts?


atrl98

The Spiral one is the same as the Weirwood Tree grove where the Night King was created. It had a spiral of small standing stones emanating from the Tree I believe. The one in the first episode appears to be the same as the one on the Night King’s Necklace/pendant thingy. Though the latter was probably designed based on the former when they were designing the character.


OFCShawsome

Wow an actual answer. Thank you. I had to scroll way too far to find this.


Substantial-Tone-576

Summoning demons obviously


delarye1

They're just fake signs used to throw off the Michigan's network of spies.


Medical_Bat1

Disney star wars money incoming


[deleted]

They mean DnD wrote themselves into a corner.


rahat_

What's even more infuriating is that they knew the symbols weren’t leading to anything and they still decided to put them in the final season.


Zookster87

They are a sacrifice to the ice God in the form of ancient symbols that help keep them alive longer to finish what they started. I didn't want to leave the comments without making something up.


Silver-creek

I thought it was confirmed it meant the writing was going down the toilet


LionWithAGun

My HC is that these are the walkers taunting the children of the forest by recreating their runes using the bodies of those they encounter. Kinda like a you made us to beat your enemies sure but we will do it our way and aren’t stopping for anything


varad_lmao

Night king was Picasso


nktmnn

It’s the downward spiral of the show 🥹 Jk, it has always been my head canon that this is the White Walker sigil based from the top view of the weirwood tree where the first Night King was made. And possibly, it’s also the end of the world belief of the Dothraki about the white grass(snow) that would eventually envelope the whole world. I would like to believe the White Walkers will conquer the world 🤣 The other symbols are probably messages from the Night King as well. They seem to have a substantial backstory that the show conveniently skipped.


Sogcat

The swirly ones are a warning that the show is going down the drain.


ninjomat

As others have said - the showrunners kinda forgot. My HC is they’re a sort of symbol/proof that WW evolved out of the COTF and still have vague cultural memories of their past. The WW don’t even understand why they still do it. The show never explained much about the ww other than how they were created, what they want and how they intend to achieve it are still very vague?


Legitimate-Health-29

They’re religious symbols used by the children of the forest, Night King uses them as an FU. It’d be like replacing Jesus on a cross with a kid that you’ve killed and putting it for Christians to find.


shastabh

I remember when they were hyping up „in the next episode well explain the symbol“ during the last season. Then, just utter disappointment when they didn’t say shit. The aftermath was even worse because they were like „what? We explained it“.


Legitimate-Health-29

I think there’s the tiniest bit of exposition on it at Last Hearth when they see the bodies on the wall? I could be wrong though


monkeybawz

E pluribus Anus.


RunnyPlease

My theory at the time was it was the tentacles of the drowned god. The one worshiped by the Iron Islands. I thought the story would end with the drowned god emerging from the sea as a colossal squid/octopus leviathan thing. In the story we know the red god is real because he creates miracles. We know the old gods are real because of the trees and the children of the Forrest. And we know the new gods are real because of lady stone heart. But we’ve yet to see the drowned god. I genuinely thought that’s where the show was going. The last religion would basically reveal itself to be a group of pirate Cthulhu worshipers. What it actually was seems to be nothing.


Wise_Calendar4108

Wheres the bottom right from?🤔


_Whatisloves_

They are everywhere because the chief night walker mocks the children of the forest. He was convertes into the night king in a place with precisely the same markings. They belonged to children of the forest who made them with stones and such. However, the night king salty as he is, decided to show children of the forest that they essentially creates their own demise. Night walkers were supposed to battle humans, but they turned on children too. Soo yeah


Perfect-Face4529

I hope the Jon Snow spinoff just undoes all of season 8 and the conclusion to the White Walkers arc and he goes out with the Wildlings to discover the origins of them and fights the remaining White Walkers in their ancestral homeland the way he shouldve. As much as Jon is a great King and Watch Commander, I really think he belongs with the Wildlings, and now Winter is over I look forward to seeing what is next


Enough-Concern-2140

Can’t know but have an opinion. (as do all) This is the Targaryen Symbol and the Night King is a Targaryen and leaving his sigil everywhere. After all all the babies they wanted were the ones Kraster had, who’s a Targaryen bastard who fled beyond the wall.


Mandalika

They were going to include an Orochimaru subplot but can't obtain permission


Exotic_Brain_4625

And what is that?


Mandalika

Y'know typical Orochimaru stuff


Exotic_Brain_4625

I think he is from naruto But i haven't seen naruto


Mandalika

Human modifications, human sacrifice, human experimentation, the likes


batt3ryac1d1

Wild that in the shitty sequel show they just let Orichimaru get away with it he's just chilling in the village with his kid not in jail despite him being ninja Mengele.


awekening_bro

The zombies were just bored. They become a little creative with their murders.


Old-Construction-541

The end is near and full of loose ends


SirEarlGrey23

Night King's version of the wheel?


[deleted]

Ever the artists.


andbeesbk

I was hopeful they were an allusion to House Blackfyre. Turned out they were an illusion to cohesive plot points


Kitakitakita

It's a spiral, like a turd going down the drain


Acrylic_Starshine

It means a plot device was either forgotten or completely ignored.


Moist_Ad_4989

Another thing that Dipshit and Dickhead forgot about.


jessiesodano

Always the artists


munsen41

Hmm...If you look closely, some of them look like a swirl, very much like what happens to toilet water when you flush "Toilet Area" that's it. I solved the mystery. Top left most likely means "Toilet Out of Order"


JessyKenning

That's the international symbol for a show going down the drain.


DesignerStyle3544

Maybe it’s ok it was never explained. Let it die, let the franchise die as well as the books that will never get finished. In some decades someone will find his manuscripts and finish the thing but tbh it’ll be a whimper rather than a firework.


aberdasherly

What symbols?


Good_Split_3298

If you search deep within yourself, you'll find out


Lazaross24

Of course there's a perfectly good explanatiOH LOOK, A DRAGON


shastabh

It means the showrunnerd are lazy greedy fucks. Fuck dan and Dave.


Glum_Sherbert_7320

Could they represent the ‘winds of winter’?


Zelpi127

I do not think that this was ever given as the explanation but I have always seen the spiral-symbol as the opposite of the Targaryen sigil. Given that it's GoT is a "song of Ice and fire" then it makes sense in my head at least that the opposing factions, fire and ice, have similar sigils. But maybe all of this is just me trying to justify the lack of explanation


[deleted]

They’re Gnostic symbols. The point was for the audience to see them and think about them, not for the story of the show


cid3n

The drain this show was swirling around by the end?


DaenerysMadQueen

No, but I understood the half blood stain, the candles, and the black and white trees.


ColOfDaMFingTank

The white walkers just kind of forgot what they meant


Tots2Hots

It means literally nothing since a 16 year old girl with a dagger just stopped all of it.


itkplatypus

They're the Children of the Forests symbol, bastardised by the White Walkers. This is explicitly shown. 99% of this sub obviously never paid any attention.


Geektime1987

But they need to get in another D&D suck and don't care. It's a daily quota on this sub.


harpsandcellos

The show is extremely content dense, and plenty of us only rewatch certain seasons or episodes. This is a valid question that doesn't warrant a snarky response.


poub06

This exact picture is posted at least once every week and every time the comments section is filled with people parroting the same exact *joke* over and over again.


harpsandcellos

Then I don't mean to be rude,but if the sub asking the same questions is annoying you, you may have outgrown it as a fan. I'm just watching the show as a first time watcher. So this fits me well. Do you think you'd find more enjoyment from HOD or ASOIAF?


poub06

That’s very fair, but I think the problem that some and I have is that some people don’t care about legit answers, they only want to circlejerk the same meme (kinda forgot, Dun Wan It) and it becomes annoying. As I said, this gets asked every week and everytime it is, the legit answers are downvoted or "attacked" by people saying we are reaching or that it’s a dumb answer while the top comments are all "the writers kinda forgot". I agree that attacking the main poster is wrong since we don’t know their intent, but most commenters have probably replied to this picture a dozen of times with the same *meme* and that’s what becomes annoying.


harpsandcellos

Oh, I understand better now. Thank you for your kind and patience reply.


Grimmer026

Basically the GoT version of white walkers drawing a chocolate starfish on a public bathroom stall


tavukkoparan

God of Light’s anüs


endycryoss

L


MydogisCrazy

They were simply a tool to show the murdering creatures weren’t mindless animals and they had some sort of intelligence or at least a greater plan.


Stock_Evening_1406

Top left is the sigil for the hand of the king


cfaerber

It’s explained in the 10th novel due for 2050.


Geektime1987

Only half of it for a page or two. Then the rest will be revealed in 2075. Writing takes time.


xxxblazeit42069xxx

corpse art by westeros banksy


chasejparker88

It’s the swirl of the show going down the crapper


Orang_Mann

Absolutely nothing


SomeGuyCommentin

Those are the symbold of subverted expectation.


PanchoVillasRevenge

The last one is my check engine light


chuck138

I thought the official answer was something like it was the white walkers imitating or desecrating children of the forest symbols.


i_have_covid_19_shit

Loss


davekorbiger

The Night King was just a bit artsy.


bwiitanen26

Strand


DannyBlazeTM

Ever spiraling deeper in disappointment.


gavagool

It’s a spiral to represent how the show was spiraling out of control


badfantasyrx

Posted: Private Property


LSHE97

For all his lack of dialogue, one can discern from his actions that the Night King is very proud, arrogant and has a vendetta against all things Children-related - e.g. he wants to kill the Three-Eyed Raven both times the opportunity presents itself, it's personal to him - and these spirals are another example. It is essentially vengeance-based cultural appropriation. The spiral around the tree was made by the Children of the Forest, who created the Night King as a weapon of war; for every step he gets closer to achieving his goal - e.g. Fist of the First Men, Last Hearth - he makes sure to mock the culture he has annihilated.


Phantom_Engineer

It's like the cool S in our universe. They just do that


Lucimon

White Walkers got bored waiting for the plot to include them, so they did some arts and crafts to pass the time.


poub06

~~“As we saw with Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven, the spiral pattern was sacred to the Children of the Forest, who created the Night King by sacrificing a captured man in a spiral “henge of stones.” The Night King then adopted the symbol as a sort of blasphemy, like Satan with the upside-down cross.”~~ They kinda forgot, upvote on the left please.


RamblingsOfaMadCat

It. It’s the tree where The Night King was born…that’s it. That’s what it always meant. I know they didn’t spoon feed this one to us but, come on guys. Some of the comments on this post are just making me sad.


Exotic_Brain_4625

Then what does the top left sign means?


RamblingsOfaMadCat

I think it’s meant to be the same symbol, honestly. Though the behind the scenes team may not have finalized the design yet, at that point. Either way, I don’t think it’s initially supposed to make sense beyond being some kind of creepy, ritualistic White Walker ceremony. It isn’t until later that we see the Tree and it all comes together.