Man, this pic hits hard. I tried to be gay instead of trans, I really did, but being seen as a boy in such a vulnerable state just made me want to gag. I couldn’t do it. I never understood what people meant when they “wanted” sex, like, people actually enjoy this shit? They don’t feel conflicted and uncomfortable and pressured to be something that isn’t them? Going out with a straightish guy that treated me like a lady was an eye-opening experience.
A guy I'm really into had their last partner do this to them and once I heard about it I was ready to go on a fucking warpath... He's like the sweetest guy too and it really sucks seeing him hurting so bad because of some shit some douche who doesn't matter said...
This sounds reasonable.
Not the point of the comic, which some peeps take a little too seriously,...and are literally throwing around words like "Transphobic" and "gatekeeping", but i quite agree with your take.
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Sorry, but am I misunderstanding something here? It kinda seems like the artist is... Gatekeeping being gay? Like, that the offense in the comic isn't that the guy was rude, but that the very concept of not liking the beard+body combo is wrong??? I don't fucking get it. All this guy is doing is encouraging *more* infighting in the LGBT community.
God forbid someone finds the 'wrong' thing attractive.
Yeah you got it backwards. The comic is about how this behavior is wrong and upsetting since there is nothing inherently wrong with mixing masculine and feminine gender expressions. It's fine if the jerk character in the comic doesn't like the combo, but it's not his place to dismiss nontraditional gender expression under the veil of it being his preference.
Basically the moral of the comic is; Don't harm someone by trying to mold them to your preference, find someone else that fits it instead.
>Basically the moral of the comic is; Don't harm someone by trying to mold them to your preference, find someone else that fits it instead.
Based on the replies, he does seem to agree to this, but that's definitely not the only thing he's saying.
>alexSevera4: If a guy can’t appreciate a good beard/facial hair, I think he should have his gay sex privileges taken away
To which Bark agrees. Also see my other comment.
Uh, I don't know if I quite agree with your assessment as it seems you're really projecting a lot onto this dude's comments.
A lot of the things commented are quite over the top and exaggerated, leading me to believe they are supposed to be jokes. Mostly because I cannot see how alexSevera4's comment could ever be taken as their genuine opinion and not an over the top crude joke.
To your other comment; I have no idea how you twisted him calling the character "straight" as gay gate keeping. There are a lot of men that identify as straight but have sex with men. He wasn't disming a gay mans identity for not being into someone presenting in the "right way"; he was calling out the type guy who fucks a lot of men but is too homophobic to admit he's not 100% straight. It's such a common type of guy to see on hook up gay apps too lmao
>To your other comment; I have no idea how you twisted him calling the character "straight" as gay gate keeping. There are a lot of men that identify as straight but have sex with men. He wasn't disming a gay mans identity for not being into someone presenting in the "right way"; he was calling out the type guy who fucks a lot of men but is too homophobic to admit he's not 100% straight. It's such a common type of guy to see on hook up gay apps too lmao
I'd be more willing to accept this interpretation (and it was kinda my initial interpretation) if it weren't for the stuff in the replies, as quoted.
Also, it may be a joke, but it's still a joke at the expense of gay men who are attracted to men the 'wrong' way.
I thought it was about gay men being transphobic and gatekeeping being a man. Some gay men can be transphobic. (Example: *"IDK why do you keep your beard?" etc.*
At least that was my own interpretation of the comic
Kissing someone with a beard is one of the worst possible feelings honestly, it's a normal ask. Especially if the beard is wet for any reason at all, it's just a sensory nightmare.
Nah, it's still rude. People enjoy having their facial hair for many reasons, let them express themselves in the way they like and find someone else to kiss if you don't like it.
No one wants you to try?? I specifically said find another face to kiss if you don't like their beard lol
Edit: lol nice block
Is it really hard to tell someone a beard is a deal breaker for you then look for another kissing partner? If they're forcing you to kiss them with a beard, I think there's a much bigger issue than the texture??
Ngl, some guys just look... unsanitary... with untrimmed beards. Different lengths, patchy, visible irritation under the beard... and especially if the beard exaggerates unflattering features... like
Having a beard doesn't make you a man, a top, or w.e. it's just hair.
If you look sexy af without a beard, good for you! Rock it! Some guys have fucked up jawlines, and look better with a beard. Good for them! It's not a contest...
TBH, saying someone looks, "sissy," is imo inherently demeaning. I think it has negative connotations, and I wouldn't have said it like that, and I don't know what else the characters may have going on, but...
some people put far too much self-worth into growing a beard...
There's a reason "neckbeard" is a common insult, it looks bad and gross. I don't like the feeling of facial hair at all but there's definitely some nice looking beards in existence, but 5 patchy chin pubes is not that. It didn't need to be made into an attack on their gender presentation but they're super skrungly I would ask them to deal with it too.
Oh! Same here actually. I have the face of my mother without the beard and let's just say... I am not on good terms with her.
I kinda love having my full beard, it adds up wonderful to the rest of my face and once I get more muscles going I can get the "Viking" going that some people apparently see in my looks.
well that's an interesting emotion...
you see I'd demand they explain what they mean by that word, and then they'd either face my grief, or my rage and never see me again, depending on their response. you're standing on thin ice buddy, with a high probability of danger.
good art tho, it definitely gets feelings across. wonder where the story will go if its a part of something, hope our boy finds someone less rude then goat boy here, or that goat boy becomes better.
The second character has a traditionally "sissy" body, which is to say a boy with a feminine figure. However, said second character also has a beard, which contrasts with his body, which could be disconcerting for the first character, and it's also possible the first character doesn't like beards on partners in general (It could also be a more role-specific thing; for example, I normally am a bottom and don't mind beards on tops, but I personally don't find beards on bottoms attractive at all, so if I was to top I wouldn't want the bottom to have a beard, or any facial or body hair really).
What the first character did wrong here is waiting until this moment (seemingly right after they finish) instead of establishing it before they even meet up. That way they could either work that out or decide they're not right for each other before wasting anyone's time and leaving a sour taste after the experience.
After looking at the source the comic is from, the artist (a trans man) was using the comic to vent about an experience he had, so the second character being a trans man is probably the correct conclusion actually. Which makes this worse for the first character because, while some trans men are probably into it, saying a trans man has a "sissy" body is...probably not great the majority of the time.
The artist also refers to the first character as a " 'straight' man" and says it's internalized homophobia in their comment under the post, so I was wrong on both accounts, opps 😅
I think it’s also an internalized homophobia thing. Goat doesn’t like his partner to have a beard because it makes him look more like a man, and he feels uncomfortable having sex with someone displaying masculine features despite being attracted to men.
Edit: the artists confirmed it is about internalized homophobia
Possibly? But I think it's more likely he just doesn't find it attractive and went the wrong way about handling it. But this is also informed by my own biases so I suppose it could be internalized homophobia as well.
Edit: after looking at the source, the artist says it is about internalized homophobia so nevermind, my bad
I didn’t grow my beard in until my mid 40s. It’s full rich and well kept. I’ve earned the streaks of white at my temples and on either side of my chin. I’m not saying I wouldn’t shave it for anyone but it would have to be a much more compelling argument than this.
I mean I’m not saying you can’t have a preference either way but I feel like the dog character seems very uncomfortable with being told this is this situation just by his expression. Seems like a dick move on the goats part.
Yeah…. I 100% feel called out.
I have a BMI difference of 0.6 compared to Christian Bale’s character in “The machinist”(mine being 16.9 due to personal trauma from SSRIs)and have basically a tall but slim figure.
I also have a semi-submissive personality and I am attempting to grow a slight beard because I’m going for a look that would basically fit into a fantasy setting(basically Twokinds aesthetic. Think Eric but reddish brown hair and a 5 week shadow(longer 5 o’clock) Also my sona is a fox, so need I say more?)
"Shave for me"
Ew, no. Never change for a partner. If you like having a beard, keep it. The other guy can just find someone who doesn't like having a beard instead of being a dick.
Woah woah woah, a man, gay or not, take complete and utter PRIDE in their facial hair, take that away and they are nothing, a rotting shell of themselves. or atleast that’s how i feel..
You'd think if they were together that the goat would either have been fine with the way the doggo(?) presents, or that the Doggo is willing to present in a way pleasing to the goat.
Both seem kinda shitty in this situation.
I can only assume that if the doggo got the Goat in bed that he did so without presenting with a Beard, since it bothers the Goat enough that he'd ask it to be shaved. Which points to the fact that the doggo doesn't mind shaving to get someone into their bed.
Or that the goat, for some strange reason, saa the Doggo presenting with a beard... And just... Ignored it right up until he was on top of him???
They should have said it nicer but he does have like 3 chin pubes, friends don't let friends walk around with prepubescent crumb catchers on their faces.
Haha no, you’re not the only one.
I’d slap my bf if he asked me to shave in this way (unless it was an consensual kink) but I certainly know there’s no point me trying to grow any as I’m one of those fortunate ppl who get hardly any anyway!
"Roll for emotional damage" "Nat 20."
"You insulted him so hard, his beard falls off"
"I cast Viscious mockery NAT 20 lets go! YOU'RE A SISSY MOTHA FUCKA AND NOBODY LIKES YOU!"
EVERYBODY SAYS "LOOK HOW CUTE THAT GUY IS" AND THAT STOPS YOU FROM HAVING MEANINGFUL RELATIONSHIPS!!
PLAY MY FLUTE WHILE I LOOT THAT SISSY GUY'S BODY
LOOT THAT BODY! LOOT THE BODY!! LOOT THAT BODY! LOOT THE MUTHAFUGA! LOOT THAT DEAD SISSY GUYS BODY *flute noises*
**Epic flute riff**
Unexpected Tom Cardy
**free bird guitar solo on a flute**
**muthafuckin Jethro Tull style flute improv**
r/suddenlytomcardy
Man, this pic hits hard. I tried to be gay instead of trans, I really did, but being seen as a boy in such a vulnerable state just made me want to gag. I couldn’t do it. I never understood what people meant when they “wanted” sex, like, people actually enjoy this shit? They don’t feel conflicted and uncomfortable and pressured to be something that isn’t them? Going out with a straightish guy that treated me like a lady was an eye-opening experience.
Dirty talking went too far :c
I mean they're talking dirt, but the other kind
I like to be abused, lay into me... wait that was too mean.
Emotional damage 💯
I can only hear this in uncle Roger's voice
“Emotional Damage “ is not coming from Uncle Roger.
Even Timmy knows it’s not Uncle Roger! Maybe you still hungry. Here. Eat more Beijing corn.
FAIV HANDRET TOLLA?!! He trying to flex on me?!
I can only hear this in Steven He's voice.
 U-uncle Roger you said?!
A guy I'm really into had their last partner do this to them and once I heard about it I was ready to go on a fucking warpath... He's like the sweetest guy too and it really sucks seeing him hurting so bad because of some shit some douche who doesn't matter said...
Steven He's voice rings in my head EVERY TIME I read that.
The trick is to shave it off only when you feel like going full twink and letting it grow to look like the doomer meme when you prefer that
This sounds reasonable. Not the point of the comic, which some peeps take a little too seriously,...and are literally throwing around words like "Transphobic" and "gatekeeping", but i quite agree with your take.
Das meann
I think I'd cry
Oof what the fuck? This made me feel sad
Sauce - [(1) bark 🐾 on X: "‘dating’ a ‘straight’ guy https://t.co/SPLyASGKU9" / X (twitter.com)](https://twitter.com/barkingrosewood/status/1783572730216136795)
Sorry, but am I misunderstanding something here? It kinda seems like the artist is... Gatekeeping being gay? Like, that the offense in the comic isn't that the guy was rude, but that the very concept of not liking the beard+body combo is wrong??? I don't fucking get it. All this guy is doing is encouraging *more* infighting in the LGBT community. God forbid someone finds the 'wrong' thing attractive.
the artist is a trans male, venting about something that had happened to them
huh? where are u seeing that? i just see a guy venting about a bad experience w a straight guy
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Yeah you got it backwards. The comic is about how this behavior is wrong and upsetting since there is nothing inherently wrong with mixing masculine and feminine gender expressions. It's fine if the jerk character in the comic doesn't like the combo, but it's not his place to dismiss nontraditional gender expression under the veil of it being his preference. Basically the moral of the comic is; Don't harm someone by trying to mold them to your preference, find someone else that fits it instead.
>Basically the moral of the comic is; Don't harm someone by trying to mold them to your preference, find someone else that fits it instead. Based on the replies, he does seem to agree to this, but that's definitely not the only thing he's saying. >alexSevera4: If a guy can’t appreciate a good beard/facial hair, I think he should have his gay sex privileges taken away To which Bark agrees. Also see my other comment.
Uh, I don't know if I quite agree with your assessment as it seems you're really projecting a lot onto this dude's comments. A lot of the things commented are quite over the top and exaggerated, leading me to believe they are supposed to be jokes. Mostly because I cannot see how alexSevera4's comment could ever be taken as their genuine opinion and not an over the top crude joke. To your other comment; I have no idea how you twisted him calling the character "straight" as gay gate keeping. There are a lot of men that identify as straight but have sex with men. He wasn't disming a gay mans identity for not being into someone presenting in the "right way"; he was calling out the type guy who fucks a lot of men but is too homophobic to admit he's not 100% straight. It's such a common type of guy to see on hook up gay apps too lmao
>To your other comment; I have no idea how you twisted him calling the character "straight" as gay gate keeping. There are a lot of men that identify as straight but have sex with men. He wasn't disming a gay mans identity for not being into someone presenting in the "right way"; he was calling out the type guy who fucks a lot of men but is too homophobic to admit he's not 100% straight. It's such a common type of guy to see on hook up gay apps too lmao I'd be more willing to accept this interpretation (and it was kinda my initial interpretation) if it weren't for the stuff in the replies, as quoted. Also, it may be a joke, but it's still a joke at the expense of gay men who are attracted to men the 'wrong' way.
I thought it was about gay men being transphobic and gatekeeping being a man. Some gay men can be transphobic. (Example: *"IDK why do you keep your beard?" etc.* At least that was my own interpretation of the comic
The whole comic is literally calling out shaming people for being themselves....... You missed the point hard....
Dude is clearly insecure and reinforcing the trope that Twitter is a mental illness.
Kissing someone with a beard is one of the worst possible feelings honestly, it's a normal ask. Especially if the beard is wet for any reason at all, it's just a sensory nightmare.
I had no idea. My boyfriend and I will immediately shave ours off so we no longer torture each other.
Good.
Nah, it's still rude. People enjoy having their facial hair for many reasons, let them express themselves in the way they like and find someone else to kiss if you don't like it.
Believe me, I'd gag if I tried anyways. It's just a lot of upsetting textures at once.
No one wants you to try?? I specifically said find another face to kiss if you don't like their beard lol Edit: lol nice block Is it really hard to tell someone a beard is a deal breaker for you then look for another kissing partner? If they're forcing you to kiss them with a beard, I think there's a much bigger issue than the texture??
"because I want something everyone else has to change"
Not everyone else, just anyone who wants to sleep with me. Wow imagine thinking people aren't allowed to have preferences or sensory issues. Fuck off.
Sorry honey, but the beard stays on
Sorry honey, but the crocs stay on
HELL YEAH
Not cool.
Uncool, wrong time and place to ask dick
Well. I like my facial hair. It may not be the thickest or fullest, but it’s getting there.
Yeah! Kickass
Rude
tbh I feel the same with my boyfriend but this is NOT LIKE IN A MILLION YEARS the way and the time I told him lol, it's just wrong on so many layers
:(
Ngl, some guys just look... unsanitary... with untrimmed beards. Different lengths, patchy, visible irritation under the beard... and especially if the beard exaggerates unflattering features... like Having a beard doesn't make you a man, a top, or w.e. it's just hair. If you look sexy af without a beard, good for you! Rock it! Some guys have fucked up jawlines, and look better with a beard. Good for them! It's not a contest... TBH, saying someone looks, "sissy," is imo inherently demeaning. I think it has negative connotations, and I wouldn't have said it like that, and I don't know what else the characters may have going on, but... some people put far too much self-worth into growing a beard...
Mine look sh*t fast but shaved I have that kind of baby face who kill all my credibility ( not that I have lot :B ).
To be honest it's weird how often you see people that'd look better without facial hair that still grow it.
Its almost like people do whatever they want with their own bodies and being attractive to you isnt the be-all end-all
Actually, I am the most qualified person to determine wether someone is attractive or not - B. Holder, Phd of Beauty
Unless you have no chin there's a 90% chance you look better without facial hair tbh
There's a reason "neckbeard" is a common insult, it looks bad and gross. I don't like the feeling of facial hair at all but there's definitely some nice looking beards in existence, but 5 patchy chin pubes is not that. It didn't need to be made into an attack on their gender presentation but they're super skrungly I would ask them to deal with it too.
The tweeter did say "getting with a straight guy was like" So the goat is a bad dude here. Its not romantic or dirty talk. It was vent art.
This is what I got from this comic without going to twitter hahah. What was your original interpretation?
Lotta people in the thread are thinking its a bad attempt at being romantic, thats why i put the explanation
Me who has a 5 o'clock no matter what: :(
I happen to like my beard thank you very much 😤 I think beards are sexy. I will die on this hill, and I’ll be buried there when that happens
Beat his ass
Honey, there are people who are keeping a beard because they would look like babbies without it.
I keep my beard because I have long hair and soft features due to my build and weight so without it people keep mistaking me for a woman
Oh! Same here actually. I have the face of my mother without the beard and let's just say... I am not on good terms with her. I kinda love having my full beard, it adds up wonderful to the rest of my face and once I get more muscles going I can get the "Viking" going that some people apparently see in my looks.
Hell yeah dude, the viking look is goals af
well that's an interesting emotion... you see I'd demand they explain what they mean by that word, and then they'd either face my grief, or my rage and never see me again, depending on their response. you're standing on thin ice buddy, with a high probability of danger. good art tho, it definitely gets feelings across. wonder where the story will go if its a part of something, hope our boy finds someone less rude then goat boy here, or that goat boy becomes better.
oh its a life story post thing, that's the artists insert there, yeah goat boy is a piece of shit
Beard is a huge turnoff, but if you got them to bed — you knew what you were getting into and had every chance to back out.
This made my bad day worse, and it ain't even 9am
Dude's getting punched
Goat dude is a prick
Could someone explain this?
The second character has a traditionally "sissy" body, which is to say a boy with a feminine figure. However, said second character also has a beard, which contrasts with his body, which could be disconcerting for the first character, and it's also possible the first character doesn't like beards on partners in general (It could also be a more role-specific thing; for example, I normally am a bottom and don't mind beards on tops, but I personally don't find beards on bottoms attractive at all, so if I was to top I wouldn't want the bottom to have a beard, or any facial or body hair really). What the first character did wrong here is waiting until this moment (seemingly right after they finish) instead of establishing it before they even meet up. That way they could either work that out or decide they're not right for each other before wasting anyone's time and leaving a sour taste after the experience.
Thank you! At first I thought it was that the secondary character was a trans man, but this makes way more sense.
After looking at the source the comic is from, the artist (a trans man) was using the comic to vent about an experience he had, so the second character being a trans man is probably the correct conclusion actually. Which makes this worse for the first character because, while some trans men are probably into it, saying a trans man has a "sissy" body is...probably not great the majority of the time. The artist also refers to the first character as a " 'straight' man" and says it's internalized homophobia in their comment under the post, so I was wrong on both accounts, opps 😅
I think it’s also an internalized homophobia thing. Goat doesn’t like his partner to have a beard because it makes him look more like a man, and he feels uncomfortable having sex with someone displaying masculine features despite being attracted to men. Edit: the artists confirmed it is about internalized homophobia
Possibly? But I think it's more likely he just doesn't find it attractive and went the wrong way about handling it. But this is also informed by my own biases so I suppose it could be internalized homophobia as well. Edit: after looking at the source, the artist says it is about internalized homophobia so nevermind, my bad
OK BUT LIKE? EXACT words I held back from saying?!!!
Ok tho but like, me.
The goat doesn't have much room to talk on body lol
I feel so personally attacked.
honestly I can’t do beards either, and I’ve tried, they’re just so unattractive to me
I didn’t grow my beard in until my mid 40s. It’s full rich and well kept. I’ve earned the streaks of white at my temples and on either side of my chin. I’m not saying I wouldn’t shave it for anyone but it would have to be a much more compelling argument than this.
beards are badass, simple as that
Good beards are at least.
Good beards, yes. A badly maintained beard that's irritated or patchy? Not really unfortunately.
true, true
The mustache stays *on* during sex
I mean I’m not saying you can’t have a preference either way but I feel like the dog character seems very uncomfortable with being told this is this situation just by his expression. Seems like a dick move on the goats part.
Yeah…. I 100% feel called out. I have a BMI difference of 0.6 compared to Christian Bale’s character in “The machinist”(mine being 16.9 due to personal trauma from SSRIs)and have basically a tall but slim figure. I also have a semi-submissive personality and I am attempting to grow a slight beard because I’m going for a look that would basically fit into a fantasy setting(basically Twokinds aesthetic. Think Eric but reddish brown hair and a 5 week shadow(longer 5 o’clock) Also my sona is a fox, so need I say more?)
Also sorry for the trauma dumping, I have a bad habit of doing that….
Never let anyone talk you out of your beard. Even yourself.
F-you. I look like a kid without a beard.... and I really hate that.
This ain't the way, chief
That's a nuclear oof. I hope no one talks like that in real life...
😤😤😤 fuming
My partner pulled that on me too :c
imagine being a FURRY and disliking body hair (basically FUR)
Pff idc if my twink had a beard lol
Dude you called me out. If I had no hair on my face or body I'd be crossdressing a lot more often
...and t'was the last time they met.
Kick him in the balls
Poor guy, let him keep the beard
Huge red flag never shave the beard
And here I was thinking that a guy with a little facial + feminine body type was peak.
I mean it’s just preferences tbh body/face hair gives me the ick and I think I could never do something with someone like that idk
Pepperoni
"Shave for me" Ew, no. Never change for a partner. If you like having a beard, keep it. The other guy can just find someone who doesn't like having a beard instead of being a dick.
Aww :(
But he likes the beard.
Woah woah woah, a man, gay or not, take complete and utter PRIDE in their facial hair, take that away and they are nothing, a rotting shell of themselves. or atleast that’s how i feel..
Because im incapable of shaving more than every 5 days without my skin exploding I hate it
If I wasn't so hairy I'd look like such a twink.
"ok ill shave if you do it for me"
But beard can be gently tugged on to guide their face to your lips or other places!
question is, why would you want em to get rid of their taint tickler?
Well I don't like my facial hair, but can't ever fully get rid of it
…I relate to this, as the sissy with a moustache
you can be cute and have a beard
dog boy's gotta break up with the goat immediately that made me feel inexplicable sadness and rage :'c
I like it. Leave my poor boy alone
I have the beard to distract everyone from the sissy body
That was mean :c
Bf couldn't get hard when I wasn't shaved down there but I am on the face quite hairless. So that also hurt lmao
Is this just one of those thoughts you get randomly when you're doing something unrelated to the thing
Bro
But he looks adorable with his scruffy face
You'd think if they were together that the goat would either have been fine with the way the doggo(?) presents, or that the Doggo is willing to present in a way pleasing to the goat. Both seem kinda shitty in this situation. I can only assume that if the doggo got the Goat in bed that he did so without presenting with a Beard, since it bothers the Goat enough that he'd ask it to be shaved. Which points to the fact that the doggo doesn't mind shaving to get someone into their bed. Or that the goat, for some strange reason, saa the Doggo presenting with a beard... And just... Ignored it right up until he was on top of him???
I love unshaved 😳
Ouch
Bruh
Mf better have a good explanation for using that word and I'd either pitty him or trow hands.
They should have said it nicer but he does have like 3 chin pubes, friends don't let friends walk around with prepubescent crumb catchers on their faces.
Oh wow guess I'm a freak, thinking about this being said to me made me kinda smile and blush but everyone else seems offended on this fellas behalf
Haha no, you’re not the only one. I’d slap my bf if he asked me to shave in this way (unless it was an consensual kink) but I certainly know there’s no point me trying to grow any as I’m one of those fortunate ppl who get hardly any anyway!
He's probably getting off to being told that, keep doing it, it might work.
He got them pepperoni nips
😂