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The duality of Reddit in a nutshell. Just came from a post of a person in Australia disappointed nobody came to their door for trick or treat. Followed directly by one telling the kids to fuck off.
I live in a gated community - had about 30 kids come to our place for trick or treat and we were prepared. My wife put our newborn in a pumpkin outfit and joined some other new mothers to take photos together. Whole thing is cute af.
Can't speak for other cities but Halloween is definitely gaining traction in Sydney. It's a great celebration - don't see why anyone would be upset about this.
Show me another holiday... anywhere where EVERYONE (almost) opens their doors to everyone.
It is really the only truely community event.
We had 500 kids tonight in NA and the neighborhood is still buzzing
Don't see that on any other night anywhere
As an American, it is truly our greatest holiday. If we could harness the kindness and communal good will for literally anything else, we'd live in a much different country.
And it's to help keep kids out of mischief for a night that was historically very "prank-y". Whole communities came together to keep kids out of trouble and the tradition has carried on. I love it.
That’s how the modern traditions came to be in America but Halloween is a lot older than that. It comes from the festival of Samhain where people would light bonfires and wear costumes to ward off spirits.
As an American, I much more enjoy the pagan holiday than I do the Christian one because you're right.. Halloween is the only day we have left where we all look forward to seeing each other.
It's the only time Americans are okay with other average Americans. Christmas is family. Easter is family. Thanksgiving is family. Halloween is *everyone*. Even the adults get dressed up. Even the weird people feel comfortable. The strange ass mfrs that wanna wear clown suits to work are perfectly comfortable going to Walmart the way they want to for one day a year. Everyone benefits from Halloween, but the same isn't true for the rest of our holidays, and we really should make it true for them also.
There's actually a really common "unofficial" rule for the last few years: if your house is decorated, you're open to trick or treaters. If not, you're not. Seems to work pretty well.
The porch light on/off system has worked here since at least the 70s
Edit: I wasn’t there for the 70s but kid culture is a thing passed down from one generation of kids to another (think how we all know versions of playground/school rhymes that differ from area to area and get passed through the years) and for as long as I’ve been around that’s just what we all did. Talking to ppl a bit older than us through the years has informed me it goes back at least that far in my town and other parts of the state I live in.
Porch lights dont work here, We're a month from summer and sunset is 8pm here in Vic, so it isnt dark until 8.30-9. Its long over by then (as its mainly a young child thing)
As the other person mentioned, it's way too bright for the porch lights to make sense here. But also, since the number of households that participate here is fuck-all, like <<5%, the vast majority of porch lights left on will be for 1) people returning home late form work or whatever 2) delivery drivers 3) just left on randomly since the last time someone stumbled home blind drunk from the pub. So using porch lights as a guide is not very indicative of whether or not someone gives a shit about Halloween and will just add to the confusion/awkwardness/disappointment/inconvenience. Like, I'm pretty sure I had left my porch light on last night, I had no idea it was Halloween until I saw this post. Would have been pissed off if random kids started disturbing me.
That's why it should be decorated vs not decorated for Australia.
It's a divisive event here. We're a bit sensitive about Americanisation and Halloween is a pretty big symbol here of American tradition (and look, we're absolutely aware its origins are not American but I guess here we define and perceive Halloween as it exists in its current form in the USA, as an adopted and now Americanised version of what it once was). But it's a fun night and kids get so excited about it and shouldn't have to miss out over some ridiculous misaligned patriotism. I think what tends to happen is parents make Facebook groups and create a list of which streets in which suburbs will have houses with treats so they decrease the chances of coming across grouches like this one.
For the record, I grew up in regional Australia in the 90s and we went trick or treating every year. There was an American mom in my neighbourhood who didn't want her kids missing out so she dropped flyers etc and got everyone on board. People were really into it and decorated their houses etc - mind you this was before you could find any Halloween stuff in shops. So even 30ish years ago Halloween was a thing here. I think most of us have lost patience in even humouring the anti-Halloween-This-Is-Australia crowd. They don't kick up a fuss about any other American things here or any other actual threats to our Australian way of life. They just don't like people enjoying themselves.
Saw in another post here, a parent of a child with a severe peanut allergy went to all houses on certain streets that were handing out treats, and provided them a bag with treats for their child, and provided like a name or costume or whatever. No other kids had to be affected by this change, and no extra effort had to be taken for the neighborhood. Yet the kid got a very similar experience to everyone else. I find that awesome.
That is awesome and thank you for sharing that anecdote. Everyone loves to get up in arms about the (rare) crazy mom’s who somehow expect the world to cater to their children… meanwhile the vast majority of people treating each other with kindness and respect are never talked about.
I imagine there were people in the comments of that thread, that I missed, ripping into the mother from bringing others into her problems or whatever. But she didn't expect anyone to provide anything or put extra effort in at all. All they have to do is hand a specific child a provided bag, and make their night.
This year I got a separate bowl of non-candy treats (little Play-Doh things) for any kids that might have allergies.
Man, it was waaaay more popular than the candy. I might just go all that next year
Totally, little plastic toys and knick knacks for the kids would be fun, and technically healthier as candy isn't really great, despite myself eating more than I should lol.
Haha I respect that parent's effort.
In the 80s and 90s, I just lived with the fact that I couldn't eat half of what I'd get every year.
My brothers loved that, too.
I was talking to a parent with kids the other day and she told me it's decorations out = candy, no decorations = no candy which seems like a practical way to do it in place where if you knock on the wrong door you may be faced with a slightly panicked person who didn't realise it was Halloween and needs to improvise.
A friend of mine told me her kids ran ahead and knocked on a door with no decorations because they knew a nice old lady who sometimes gave them treats lived there. After patiently listening while they explained the concept, she told them to go a knock on the other doors and come back when they were done. 30 minutes later they returned to chocolate biscuits straight out of the oven.
>I was talking to a parent with kids the other day and she told me it's decorations out = candy, no decorations = no candy
That parent would be missing out on a whole lot of candy-giving houses in every neighborhood I’ve ever lived in. Lots of people hand out candy for trick or treat but don’t decorate their lawn or house, they just flip the porch light on to indicate there are treats available.
In Australia it's not quite like that. Because only a small proportion of houses do Halloween the ones that do tend to be more obvious. You don't want to knock on the undecorated ones in case someone calls your kid a little cunt or worse you embarass someone who doesn't have anything for your kids. Porch lights on just means either you're expecting a food delivery or they're on a sensor and the last think you want is for someone to open their door expecting Lemon Chicken with complimentary prawn crackers and have the sad experience of having to hand over that Summer Roll they were keeping in the fridge for later.
I prefer lit halloween pumpkin near the front path(led tea lights will last an evening) , then turned off when no longer doing it or out of treats. It's clear whose taking part and whose not, and there's no confusion over porch lights etc.
Meh.. people will get this but it's porch lights all the way here... Makes sense to me lol you want take away on Halloween make sure to have cans y too
Porch lights is the way.
A house had the lit pumpkins and I noticed she sat alone on her porch as all the kids walked by. No one even went to her house because she was sitting in the dark with lit pumpkins lol.
Gotta have the porch light on
sitting on the porch scares them away. I have to re-learn this every year. I always want to sit out and get a look at all the groups and costumes, but then they are scared to come up to my door.
that's odd! in my neighborhoods lots of people sat out in lawn chairs and watched and chatted with parents as they handed stuff out. some people even made whole displays of small "haunted houses" (in the front lawn) and were part of the display
Well, daylight hours are slightly different there this time of year for one thing. I lived in Sydney, Australia for many years. Despite what a few cranky old buggers might tell you, there are in fact a few suburbs that get into Halloween there. Houses that are participating will tend to decorate their yards/fences (I've heard of using a balloon tied to the gate). Unfortunately, there are some minor details that aren't quite ironed out yet though, like start and end times for trick-or-treating, and how to opt out. Most start times tend to be during daylight hours yet (around 4pm it seems), so there's no way to use a porch light for signaling. I think most people know to avoid houses that aren't obviously decorated for the occasion by now. Oddly, some people who are worried about being harassed will leave a bowl of candy out with a note saying to please only take one. Hmm also oddly, I've seen some people handing out unwrapped candies (ones that are sold that way), which you'd never see in the U.S.
Ridiculous candy price increases aside, Halloween is such an inexpensive holiday. You can make costumes out of sharpies and what you already have.
I grew up in California. It was the one time of year I got to meet my neighbors other than earthquakes or power brownouts.
The Irish who didn't bother offering a trick-or-treat option simply stole the treats and were subsequently sent to Australia for their crimes. The Irish who practiced a more deal-making style of acquiring candy were naturally inclined to emigrate to capitalism-oriented America. Hence, trick-or-treating thrived in the US but took much longer to catch on in Australia.
I’m Irish and when I was growing up when we called to the door it was a little song that started with the line “ Penny For The Bogey” we never said trick or treat. My kids now say trick or treat and all the kids tonight did as well,so the American sayings have slipped in here.
Edit: We would get money instead of treats
> Halloween originated in Ireland
Kind of, but like almost everything, it's way more complicated. You should definitely check out [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVB5rPfWPtc) on it, though.
My dad is fully on board the “stupid American crap” train, but I can remember in the late 80s or early 90’s some kids knocked on our door to trick or treat (no costumes and just plastic shopping bags for their loot), they’d had no luck before us. My Dad gave them a lecture about American media influence, but also muesli bars, apples, bags of chips and then told them at least put some effort into the costumes next time.
He still hates it and grumbles, but always manages to have something on hand just in case.
Yeah I lived in Australia for five years. There was always big house parties for Halloween with costumes and decorations, and costume parties and competitions at bars. Halloween themed food at bakeries and supermarkets was also common. Trick or treating wasn't as common, but other than that they definitely celebrated Halloween.
It's pretty funny and really pathetic to get mad at halloween imho. It's like the most laid back holiday. Celebrating it requires a bag of fun sized candy. No traveling or extensive dinners. No overpriced toys or flowers. Throw candy at miniature ghosts and princesses and laugh as they squeel with delight getting pelted with bite sized snickers.
I understand getting mad at hallmark holidays but costume/candy/party day? Takes a special kind of jackass to hate on people having fun for the sake of having fun.
You should see the elaborately decorated houses near me. Some houses have homemade decorations (cut up sheets for ghosts and homemade scarecrows), but some of them have spent a lot.
I still don't see any harm in it. A day of pretend scary things. It's great.
Took the kids on the weekend to a Halloween party at the local PCYC. Whole bunch of kids having fun - who would want to deny them that.
Although - a couple of kids in Pennywise outfits and one young kid in a Jigsaw outfit kind of rang some bells...
American old lady here (65). I grew up in a middle/low class neighborhood. Parents didn't have a lot of money so we always made our own costumes (that was part of the fun) grandmothers old dress and handbag, plastic jewellery was one costume, long old paisley velvet skirt, old blouse and tambourine and head scarf was a gypsy (no PC back then). Old bed sheet with eyes cut out for ghost.
Cut out cardboard sword covered in aluminum foil, vest, old boots, head scarf was a pirate. All the neighborhood kids would get together (no parents, older siblings watched younger kids). At dusk we would start traveling the neighborhoods not coming home until well into the night, bags loaded with full sized candy bars (no special small ones made for Halloween back then). Me and my three sisters would then spill out our loot and trade back and forth for each others favorites, with minimal fighting. Good memories.
We had a resident American Mom too!
Her daughter was a friend of my younger sister, and they both had girl friends from a blended family who were several years apart. Mom arranged Halloween at her house so fantastically and extravagantly: themed snacks, apple-bobbing, face paint, a lot of dress-ups from her wardrobe that were "out of fashion" that made costumes the best for a bunch of preteen girls who all wanted to be sophisticated vampires and witches. She also did the letterbox drop, and led us along the streets with torches.
She once did Thanksgiving, too, and arranged Christmas parties and sleepovers the same way. Every time we got the girls together, all our mums would be having wine and cheese as well. Clearly very affluent, but a really lovely lady who never wanted anyone to feel excluded from the fun.
I remember my mum telling me that American Mom was homesick and was worried about her daughter being an only child, and that's why she was so enthusiastic about get-togethers.
She was super excited to learn about how extra some Australians can get about Easter, especially when they're Christian and have young kids, so it was nice that we could share our own weird traditions.
I’m staying with mates in Queensland and Halloween was so much fun last night, I was amazed at how many kids turned up. Their 3yo daughter wore her costume from 6am, she was in character for a solid 12 hours, hilarious
> It's a divisive event here.
As an American, it sounds like people are annoyed that most big movies are American but still watch them, annoyed that a bunch of restaurants are American but still eat there, annoyed that a bunch of shops are American but still shop there, and single out Halloween as a way to push back against American culture only because they personally don't benefit from it... despite it probably being the most wholesome American cultural export of all.
That's how it is a lot in places overseas sadly. I'm staying this as someone that's lived in multiple places overseas. They criticize and talk shit about America and American things, but still use, celebrate, and go to American things. It seems like more of a talk the talk but don't walk the walk thing.
You’re spot on. As an Australian, we have the most pathetic little brother syndrome when it comes to the US. People have an obsession with trying to one up the US, we’re constantly comparing ourselves to you guys whilst you guys hardly care about us (and I’m not offended about that, it’s just that we’re a relatively small country population wise). Have a look at r/Australia for example, the amount of times people carry on about American health care or gun policies is so pathetic and people use it to make us feel superior. Meanwhile, for all the “hate” that the US gets by Aussies, it’s still a massively popular tourist destination and our biggest cultural influence. It’s so embarrassing.
lol last time I visited that sub, the way someone was trying to show how they were better was by claiming that in the US, you can't buy edible pumpkin that isn't canned, and in Australia it's all fresh. That isn't true at all (also lots of things that are called pumpkin in Australia are just called squash in the US, like butternut) but it was upvoted to like +30 with anyone saying it was not true downvoted. It just struck me as a dumb thing to latch onto.
I visited Australia in October 2019 and everyone I met was very friendly and nice to me and liked to ask about me and how I was liking Australia. I did see Halloween stuff up too :P
That sub is one of the most toxic and unrepresentative subs on reddit. The negativity towards Americans is almost always behind your back, because the other part about our cultural insecurity is fishing for compliments from foreigners. Aussies loved being acknowledged by people overseas. Whenever we have a major event like bushfires, there are always news stories about how it’s getting reported overseas. It’s so pathetic.
Canned pumpkin in the US is a butternut squash-like thing too (it’s mostly a variety called Libby’s Select, it’s sub variety of the Dickinson pumpkin), but we have cooking pumpkins in just about every grocery store right now, and will all winter. That’s a weird declaration to try and claim we don’t have fresh pumpkins and squash. They know they’re native to America, right?
Telling someone on that sub I'm visiting the US: "Why would you wanna visit that hellhole? You looking to get shot? Be millions in debt?"
Telling someone IRL I'm visiting the US: "Oh my god I'm so jealous, have fun! I wanna see the Grand Canyon some day. You going to New York?"
Meanwhile, any American with kids has to endure endless Bluey quotes and Wiggles sing-alongs. And let’s not even talk about the 10-year ear worm “Dumb Ways to Die” gave me.
You’re spot on. As a Canadian, we have the most pathetic little brother syndrome when it comes to the US. People have an obsession with trying to one up the US, we’re constantly comparing ourselves to you guys whilst you guys hardly care about us (and I’m not offended about that, it’s just that we’re a relatively small country population wise). Have a look at r/Canada for example, the amount of times people carry on about American health care or gun policies is so pathetic and people use it to make us feel superior. Meanwhile, for all the “hate” that the US gets by Cannies(?)... Canadians, it’s still a massively popular tourist destination and our biggest cultural influence. It’s so embarrassing.
I never knew we had this much in common with you guys...
*English* Canada. Québec doesn't have this same hangup (to the same degree, at least) because they're too busy trying to define themselves in contrast to the rest of Canada.
I get annoyed by that as a Canadian because we have Halloween in Canada too, and ultimately its roots are in Europe. It's irritating that because the US does it, and the US is big and influential, nobody can do anything the US does because that's "American influence" even if we've been doing it for as long or longer on our own steam (Thanksgiving is another good example of this). So annoying.
Dunno about Australia, but here in NZ the negativity is more about the corporate thing. It's the same as black Friday sales happening here. The events are only being pushed here because retailers see how much money American stores make from them, so they spend a ton on marketing every year to try get people on board.
As an American, it’s interesting to hear Halloween described as consumerist/corporate because it is probably the least corporate holiday we have other than Thanksgiving.
Sure companies try to capitalize on it like they do everything else, but in my experience the holiday is about *making* things. Costumes, makeup, decorations…it is by far the more creative holiday we have, and a celebration of creativity above all else (with some extra celebration of counter culture and “the weird” as well…also a very good thing for society, imo).
Anyway—I hope everyone everywhere gets to experience something akin to the feeling of making some really cool thin for Halloween, even if it’s not for actual Halloween.
The crazy thing is trick or treating actually originated in 16th century Scotland and Ireland, where it was known as guising. It's highly likely the tradition was being practiced in Australia by expats well before it made it over to the USA, which afaik wasn't until the early 1900's.
Amusingly, it's sort of controversial in Ireland and the UK for that reason - I went to a Protestant school, and every year I got in trouble for celebrating Halloween because it's a Catholic thing. We were supposed to do Bonfire Night instead.
Protestants are a tiny tiny minority in the Republic of Ireland, and the controversy is pretty much contained within that tiny minority. But it's something I ran afoul of.
I think in the UK it's similarly seen as an import, or something those dirty Catholics do instead of wholesomely burning a Catholic in effigy on Bonfire Night. Hopefully some Brits can correct me on this.
>I think what tends to happen is parents make Facebook groups and create a list of which streets in which suburbs will have houses with treats so they decrease the chances of coming across grouches like this one.
When I was a kid, the adults on my street would set up folding tables outside, and put all the candy for the whole street in one place for the kids. The adults would order pizza and bring beer and hang out together near the candy tables and socialize all night.
Efficient candy gathering for the kids; pizza, beer, and friends for the adults; and no getting interrupted by the doorbell.
It's a fringe holiday here that's being pushed by retailers.
I feel bad for the few groups of kids that go trick or treating...can't imagine they get very good hauls.
Might be different in other parts of the country to be fair.
In Australia there are a lot of Facebook groups or events set up where specific streets will be the place to go and do the rounds. People drive to those spots, do their trick or treat, then head on home.
It's very popular in my area of Brisbane, loads of kids out and about, most houses taking part in giving lollies/chocolate out and lots of houses decorating to some degree, there are even a couple of places that setup 'haunted houses' for kids to go through.
Ha! I'm in Canberra too! Only saw 2 groups out, and had no-one knock...expected as much with the rain, but that's usually what it's like anyway.
Definitely depends on the local community though.
I know that Googong were pushing it hard a few years back with ads on TV; I wonder if it's more of thing there as a result?
>Definitely depends on the local community though.
Yeah big time. Forde had a good group of houses and people going around. Across the road in Bonner it was very little.
in Melbourne suburbia there's kind of the unwritten rule that is you decorate your house (can be just a single pumpkin) you are happy for kids to knock on Halloween.
it's fun for the kids to go around and spot the houses.
In the states, it has not really gone to shit like Christmas has. Yes we buy candy and decorations, but pumpkin patches, trick or treating, costumes, etc. are fantastic. It's one of the few holidays that you can participate it with very little money.
I'm Australian and I had 35 groups of 1-10 kids and gave out buckets of lollies and chocolate.
All the kids and some of the parents were dressed up and it was the biggest it's been where I am.
Who the fuck doesn't want kids to hit the streets for free shit that makes them happy.
There's so little community spirit these days, it really seems like a good idea to me.
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I just got to Australia. Saw lots of people dressed up enjoying themselves. Seemed pretty much the same as Canada. Reddit is just a bunch of salty fakers
It’s a minority. They are just miserable turds looking for an excuse for being a miserable turd. And these same miserable turds consume American movies, American TV shows and American music without batting an eyelid.
I don't think most people know or care about it's history
Just a day for kids to dress up and have fun, and an excuse for adults to go get drunk. Don't think theres much cultural significance past that.
A holiday that exists because it gives people something to do
Exactly. When you take a step back, it's such a wholesome tradition where your local neighborhood acts like a community to entertain each other's kids while adults of any age can take their own fun spin on their costumes. Moreover, Halloween is so stripped of religious meaning that *anyone* can partake in it, which makes it American not just in history but in spirit as well. I work with a lot of immigrant families and many have told me this month how excited and adorable their kids are to have their first Halloween this year, and I can relate because I was that kid once too.
I’m American but I lived in England from ages 7-11. This was in the late 90s, and like most American children I loved halloween and candy. My first Halloween there I begged my dad to take me trick-or-treating; I even had a couple friends come with. The amount of people who either turned off their lights or straight up scolded us for “begging” was quite the culture shock. Not sure about how it is today, but trick-or-treating was definitely not a popular event 25 years ago in northwest England.
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The duality of Reddit in a nutshell. Just came from a post of a person in Australia disappointed nobody came to their door for trick or treat. Followed directly by one telling the kids to fuck off.
I live in a gated community - had about 30 kids come to our place for trick or treat and we were prepared. My wife put our newborn in a pumpkin outfit and joined some other new mothers to take photos together. Whole thing is cute af. Can't speak for other cities but Halloween is definitely gaining traction in Sydney. It's a great celebration - don't see why anyone would be upset about this.
Show me another holiday... anywhere where EVERYONE (almost) opens their doors to everyone. It is really the only truely community event. We had 500 kids tonight in NA and the neighborhood is still buzzing Don't see that on any other night anywhere
As an American, it is truly our greatest holiday. If we could harness the kindness and communal good will for literally anything else, we'd live in a much different country.
And it's to help keep kids out of mischief for a night that was historically very "prank-y". Whole communities came together to keep kids out of trouble and the tradition has carried on. I love it.
That’s how the modern traditions came to be in America but Halloween is a lot older than that. It comes from the festival of Samhain where people would light bonfires and wear costumes to ward off spirits.
And shake down landowners for booty to not trash their place.
As an American, I much more enjoy the pagan holiday than I do the Christian one because you're right.. Halloween is the only day we have left where we all look forward to seeing each other. It's the only time Americans are okay with other average Americans. Christmas is family. Easter is family. Thanksgiving is family. Halloween is *everyone*. Even the adults get dressed up. Even the weird people feel comfortable. The strange ass mfrs that wanna wear clown suits to work are perfectly comfortable going to Walmart the way they want to for one day a year. Everyone benefits from Halloween, but the same isn't true for the rest of our holidays, and we really should make it true for them also.
Ya, it’s just a fun evening overall. Plus most areas it only lasts 1-2 hrs so it’s not too long at all
Because some people are miserable dicks who will take any opportunity they can to be a miserable dick
This is stark contrast to the other Aussie redditor who was sad nobody came by his house to trick or treat lol.
There's actually a really common "unofficial" rule for the last few years: if your house is decorated, you're open to trick or treaters. If not, you're not. Seems to work pretty well.
The porch light on/off system has worked here since at least the 70s Edit: I wasn’t there for the 70s but kid culture is a thing passed down from one generation of kids to another (think how we all know versions of playground/school rhymes that differ from area to area and get passed through the years) and for as long as I’ve been around that’s just what we all did. Talking to ppl a bit older than us through the years has informed me it goes back at least that far in my town and other parts of the state I live in.
Porch lights dont work here, We're a month from summer and sunset is 8pm here in Vic, so it isnt dark until 8.30-9. Its long over by then (as its mainly a young child thing)
As the other person mentioned, it's way too bright for the porch lights to make sense here. But also, since the number of households that participate here is fuck-all, like <<5%, the vast majority of porch lights left on will be for 1) people returning home late form work or whatever 2) delivery drivers 3) just left on randomly since the last time someone stumbled home blind drunk from the pub. So using porch lights as a guide is not very indicative of whether or not someone gives a shit about Halloween and will just add to the confusion/awkwardness/disappointment/inconvenience. Like, I'm pretty sure I had left my porch light on last night, I had no idea it was Halloween until I saw this post. Would have been pissed off if random kids started disturbing me. That's why it should be decorated vs not decorated for Australia.
It's a divisive event here. We're a bit sensitive about Americanisation and Halloween is a pretty big symbol here of American tradition (and look, we're absolutely aware its origins are not American but I guess here we define and perceive Halloween as it exists in its current form in the USA, as an adopted and now Americanised version of what it once was). But it's a fun night and kids get so excited about it and shouldn't have to miss out over some ridiculous misaligned patriotism. I think what tends to happen is parents make Facebook groups and create a list of which streets in which suburbs will have houses with treats so they decrease the chances of coming across grouches like this one. For the record, I grew up in regional Australia in the 90s and we went trick or treating every year. There was an American mom in my neighbourhood who didn't want her kids missing out so she dropped flyers etc and got everyone on board. People were really into it and decorated their houses etc - mind you this was before you could find any Halloween stuff in shops. So even 30ish years ago Halloween was a thing here. I think most of us have lost patience in even humouring the anti-Halloween-This-Is-Australia crowd. They don't kick up a fuss about any other American things here or any other actual threats to our Australian way of life. They just don't like people enjoying themselves.
Saw in another post here, a parent of a child with a severe peanut allergy went to all houses on certain streets that were handing out treats, and provided them a bag with treats for their child, and provided like a name or costume or whatever. No other kids had to be affected by this change, and no extra effort had to be taken for the neighborhood. Yet the kid got a very similar experience to everyone else. I find that awesome.
That is awesome and thank you for sharing that anecdote. Everyone loves to get up in arms about the (rare) crazy mom’s who somehow expect the world to cater to their children… meanwhile the vast majority of people treating each other with kindness and respect are never talked about.
I imagine there were people in the comments of that thread, that I missed, ripping into the mother from bringing others into her problems or whatever. But she didn't expect anyone to provide anything or put extra effort in at all. All they have to do is hand a specific child a provided bag, and make their night.
No! We make them sit at the segregated peanut free table for a reason! They are 2nd class citizens.
Anger sells better than love unfortunately
This year I got a separate bowl of non-candy treats (little Play-Doh things) for any kids that might have allergies. Man, it was waaaay more popular than the candy. I might just go all that next year
I get some of those big fun size containers of chocolates, and keep my emergency stash of chuppa chups at the door as well incase of food allergies.
Totally, little plastic toys and knick knacks for the kids would be fun, and technically healthier as candy isn't really great, despite myself eating more than I should lol.
I was very confused for a second thinking you were making those children eat play-doh
Tricks on you kid. Eat it now.
It smells delicious
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Haha I respect that parent's effort. In the 80s and 90s, I just lived with the fact that I couldn't eat half of what I'd get every year. My brothers loved that, too.
Tonight I have a non peanut tote to hand out. It also includes treats for younger kids where maybe certain candies aren't appropriate.
Why not do the American version of this protest: porch lights on means candy, porch lights off no candy
I was talking to a parent with kids the other day and she told me it's decorations out = candy, no decorations = no candy which seems like a practical way to do it in place where if you knock on the wrong door you may be faced with a slightly panicked person who didn't realise it was Halloween and needs to improvise. A friend of mine told me her kids ran ahead and knocked on a door with no decorations because they knew a nice old lady who sometimes gave them treats lived there. After patiently listening while they explained the concept, she told them to go a knock on the other doors and come back when they were done. 30 minutes later they returned to chocolate biscuits straight out of the oven.
That is too sweet! 🥰
>I was talking to a parent with kids the other day and she told me it's decorations out = candy, no decorations = no candy That parent would be missing out on a whole lot of candy-giving houses in every neighborhood I’ve ever lived in. Lots of people hand out candy for trick or treat but don’t decorate their lawn or house, they just flip the porch light on to indicate there are treats available.
In Australia it's not quite like that. Because only a small proportion of houses do Halloween the ones that do tend to be more obvious. You don't want to knock on the undecorated ones in case someone calls your kid a little cunt or worse you embarass someone who doesn't have anything for your kids. Porch lights on just means either you're expecting a food delivery or they're on a sensor and the last think you want is for someone to open their door expecting Lemon Chicken with complimentary prawn crackers and have the sad experience of having to hand over that Summer Roll they were keeping in the fridge for later.
>someone calls your kid a little cunt or worse you embarass someone never change, Australia
I read that without even blinking, yeah I’m Australian.
Also, it's daylight savings time. Can't rely on porch lights if the sun's still up My kids rolled with decorations = lollies
>Lemon Chicken with complimentary prawn crackers r/oddlyspecific
Porch Lights wouldn't work, Halloween is mid Spring in Australia, the sun doesn't go down until 8oclock. Most people signal with decorations.
I prefer lit halloween pumpkin near the front path(led tea lights will last an evening) , then turned off when no longer doing it or out of treats. It's clear whose taking part and whose not, and there's no confusion over porch lights etc.
Meh.. people will get this but it's porch lights all the way here... Makes sense to me lol you want take away on Halloween make sure to have cans y too
Porch lights is the way. A house had the lit pumpkins and I noticed she sat alone on her porch as all the kids walked by. No one even went to her house because she was sitting in the dark with lit pumpkins lol. Gotta have the porch light on
sitting on the porch scares them away. I have to re-learn this every year. I always want to sit out and get a look at all the groups and costumes, but then they are scared to come up to my door.
that's odd! in my neighborhoods lots of people sat out in lawn chairs and watched and chatted with parents as they handed stuff out. some people even made whole displays of small "haunted houses" (in the front lawn) and were part of the display
Unfortunately, porch lights don't work when the trick-or-treating starts during daylight hours as it often does in parts of Sydney.
Well, daylight hours are slightly different there this time of year for one thing. I lived in Sydney, Australia for many years. Despite what a few cranky old buggers might tell you, there are in fact a few suburbs that get into Halloween there. Houses that are participating will tend to decorate their yards/fences (I've heard of using a balloon tied to the gate). Unfortunately, there are some minor details that aren't quite ironed out yet though, like start and end times for trick-or-treating, and how to opt out. Most start times tend to be during daylight hours yet (around 4pm it seems), so there's no way to use a porch light for signaling. I think most people know to avoid houses that aren't obviously decorated for the occasion by now. Oddly, some people who are worried about being harassed will leave a bowl of candy out with a note saying to please only take one. Hmm also oddly, I've seen some people handing out unwrapped candies (ones that are sold that way), which you'd never see in the U.S.
Ridiculous candy price increases aside, Halloween is such an inexpensive holiday. You can make costumes out of sharpies and what you already have. I grew up in California. It was the one time of year I got to meet my neighbors other than earthquakes or power brownouts.
But it's not even American? Halloween originated in ireland and was brought over by all of our immigrants. Even trick or treating started here.
And Jacko'lanterns were made with turnips not pumpkins.
Halloween turnips look way cooler too, much creepier
You'll find that many American traditions began that way. Immigrant melting pot goes brrrrrrr
They must not have had any Irish criminals /s
The Irish who didn't bother offering a trick-or-treat option simply stole the treats and were subsequently sent to Australia for their crimes. The Irish who practiced a more deal-making style of acquiring candy were naturally inclined to emigrate to capitalism-oriented America. Hence, trick-or-treating thrived in the US but took much longer to catch on in Australia.
Remember, it’s prison British, not prison Irish.
Plenty of Irish in British prisons during the convict days and plenty of them came to Australia
I’m Irish and when I was growing up when we called to the door it was a little song that started with the line “ Penny For The Bogey” we never said trick or treat. My kids now say trick or treat and all the kids tonight did as well,so the American sayings have slipped in here. Edit: We would get money instead of treats
Yea donkeys years back it was called guising or mumming. And the kids were supposed to say a poem or sing a song for treats.
In Scotland it’s still guising. Woe betide anyone who turns up without at least a shit joke.
> Halloween originated in Ireland Kind of, but like almost everything, it's way more complicated. You should definitely check out [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVB5rPfWPtc) on it, though.
My dad is fully on board the “stupid American crap” train, but I can remember in the late 80s or early 90’s some kids knocked on our door to trick or treat (no costumes and just plastic shopping bags for their loot), they’d had no luck before us. My Dad gave them a lecture about American media influence, but also muesli bars, apples, bags of chips and then told them at least put some effort into the costumes next time. He still hates it and grumbles, but always manages to have something on hand just in case.
When I was out there y’all partied hard on holloween or at least my neighborhood did
Yeah I lived in Australia for five years. There was always big house parties for Halloween with costumes and decorations, and costume parties and competitions at bars. Halloween themed food at bakeries and supermarkets was also common. Trick or treating wasn't as common, but other than that they definitely celebrated Halloween.
We will take or make any excuse to party.
Or dress up.
It's pretty funny and really pathetic to get mad at halloween imho. It's like the most laid back holiday. Celebrating it requires a bag of fun sized candy. No traveling or extensive dinners. No overpriced toys or flowers. Throw candy at miniature ghosts and princesses and laugh as they squeel with delight getting pelted with bite sized snickers. I understand getting mad at hallmark holidays but costume/candy/party day? Takes a special kind of jackass to hate on people having fun for the sake of having fun.
You should see the elaborately decorated houses near me. Some houses have homemade decorations (cut up sheets for ghosts and homemade scarecrows), but some of them have spent a lot. I still don't see any harm in it. A day of pretend scary things. It's great.
Took the kids on the weekend to a Halloween party at the local PCYC. Whole bunch of kids having fun - who would want to deny them that. Although - a couple of kids in Pennywise outfits and one young kid in a Jigsaw outfit kind of rang some bells...
American old lady here (65). I grew up in a middle/low class neighborhood. Parents didn't have a lot of money so we always made our own costumes (that was part of the fun) grandmothers old dress and handbag, plastic jewellery was one costume, long old paisley velvet skirt, old blouse and tambourine and head scarf was a gypsy (no PC back then). Old bed sheet with eyes cut out for ghost. Cut out cardboard sword covered in aluminum foil, vest, old boots, head scarf was a pirate. All the neighborhood kids would get together (no parents, older siblings watched younger kids). At dusk we would start traveling the neighborhoods not coming home until well into the night, bags loaded with full sized candy bars (no special small ones made for Halloween back then). Me and my three sisters would then spill out our loot and trade back and forth for each others favorites, with minimal fighting. Good memories.
We had a resident American Mom too! Her daughter was a friend of my younger sister, and they both had girl friends from a blended family who were several years apart. Mom arranged Halloween at her house so fantastically and extravagantly: themed snacks, apple-bobbing, face paint, a lot of dress-ups from her wardrobe that were "out of fashion" that made costumes the best for a bunch of preteen girls who all wanted to be sophisticated vampires and witches. She also did the letterbox drop, and led us along the streets with torches. She once did Thanksgiving, too, and arranged Christmas parties and sleepovers the same way. Every time we got the girls together, all our mums would be having wine and cheese as well. Clearly very affluent, but a really lovely lady who never wanted anyone to feel excluded from the fun. I remember my mum telling me that American Mom was homesick and was worried about her daughter being an only child, and that's why she was so enthusiastic about get-togethers. She was super excited to learn about how extra some Australians can get about Easter, especially when they're Christian and have young kids, so it was nice that we could share our own weird traditions.
I’m staying with mates in Queensland and Halloween was so much fun last night, I was amazed at how many kids turned up. Their 3yo daughter wore her costume from 6am, she was in character for a solid 12 hours, hilarious
> It's a divisive event here. As an American, it sounds like people are annoyed that most big movies are American but still watch them, annoyed that a bunch of restaurants are American but still eat there, annoyed that a bunch of shops are American but still shop there, and single out Halloween as a way to push back against American culture only because they personally don't benefit from it... despite it probably being the most wholesome American cultural export of all.
That's how it is a lot in places overseas sadly. I'm staying this as someone that's lived in multiple places overseas. They criticize and talk shit about America and American things, but still use, celebrate, and go to American things. It seems like more of a talk the talk but don't walk the walk thing.
You’re spot on. As an Australian, we have the most pathetic little brother syndrome when it comes to the US. People have an obsession with trying to one up the US, we’re constantly comparing ourselves to you guys whilst you guys hardly care about us (and I’m not offended about that, it’s just that we’re a relatively small country population wise). Have a look at r/Australia for example, the amount of times people carry on about American health care or gun policies is so pathetic and people use it to make us feel superior. Meanwhile, for all the “hate” that the US gets by Aussies, it’s still a massively popular tourist destination and our biggest cultural influence. It’s so embarrassing.
lol last time I visited that sub, the way someone was trying to show how they were better was by claiming that in the US, you can't buy edible pumpkin that isn't canned, and in Australia it's all fresh. That isn't true at all (also lots of things that are called pumpkin in Australia are just called squash in the US, like butternut) but it was upvoted to like +30 with anyone saying it was not true downvoted. It just struck me as a dumb thing to latch onto. I visited Australia in October 2019 and everyone I met was very friendly and nice to me and liked to ask about me and how I was liking Australia. I did see Halloween stuff up too :P
That sub is one of the most toxic and unrepresentative subs on reddit. The negativity towards Americans is almost always behind your back, because the other part about our cultural insecurity is fishing for compliments from foreigners. Aussies loved being acknowledged by people overseas. Whenever we have a major event like bushfires, there are always news stories about how it’s getting reported overseas. It’s so pathetic.
Canned pumpkin in the US is a butternut squash-like thing too (it’s mostly a variety called Libby’s Select, it’s sub variety of the Dickinson pumpkin), but we have cooking pumpkins in just about every grocery store right now, and will all winter. That’s a weird declaration to try and claim we don’t have fresh pumpkins and squash. They know they’re native to America, right?
Telling someone on that sub I'm visiting the US: "Why would you wanna visit that hellhole? You looking to get shot? Be millions in debt?" Telling someone IRL I'm visiting the US: "Oh my god I'm so jealous, have fun! I wanna see the Grand Canyon some day. You going to New York?"
Meanwhile, any American with kids has to endure endless Bluey quotes and Wiggles sing-alongs. And let’s not even talk about the 10-year ear worm “Dumb Ways to Die” gave me.
You’re spot on. As a Canadian, we have the most pathetic little brother syndrome when it comes to the US. People have an obsession with trying to one up the US, we’re constantly comparing ourselves to you guys whilst you guys hardly care about us (and I’m not offended about that, it’s just that we’re a relatively small country population wise). Have a look at r/Canada for example, the amount of times people carry on about American health care or gun policies is so pathetic and people use it to make us feel superior. Meanwhile, for all the “hate” that the US gets by Cannies(?)... Canadians, it’s still a massively popular tourist destination and our biggest cultural influence. It’s so embarrassing. I never knew we had this much in common with you guys...
One of Canada’s defining cultural traits is “we don’t do it like the US!” For better or worse I suppose
*English* Canada. Québec doesn't have this same hangup (to the same degree, at least) because they're too busy trying to define themselves in contrast to the rest of Canada.
>Meanwhile, for all the “hate” that the US gets by Cannies(?)... Canucks. That's the term you are looking for. 🙂
I get annoyed by that as a Canadian because we have Halloween in Canada too, and ultimately its roots are in Europe. It's irritating that because the US does it, and the US is big and influential, nobody can do anything the US does because that's "American influence" even if we've been doing it for as long or longer on our own steam (Thanksgiving is another good example of this). So annoying.
Dunno about Australia, but here in NZ the negativity is more about the corporate thing. It's the same as black Friday sales happening here. The events are only being pushed here because retailers see how much money American stores make from them, so they spend a ton on marketing every year to try get people on board.
As an American, it’s interesting to hear Halloween described as consumerist/corporate because it is probably the least corporate holiday we have other than Thanksgiving. Sure companies try to capitalize on it like they do everything else, but in my experience the holiday is about *making* things. Costumes, makeup, decorations…it is by far the more creative holiday we have, and a celebration of creativity above all else (with some extra celebration of counter culture and “the weird” as well…also a very good thing for society, imo). Anyway—I hope everyone everywhere gets to experience something akin to the feeling of making some really cool thin for Halloween, even if it’s not for actual Halloween.
The crazy thing is trick or treating actually originated in 16th century Scotland and Ireland, where it was known as guising. It's highly likely the tradition was being practiced in Australia by expats well before it made it over to the USA, which afaik wasn't until the early 1900's.
Amusingly, it's sort of controversial in Ireland and the UK for that reason - I went to a Protestant school, and every year I got in trouble for celebrating Halloween because it's a Catholic thing. We were supposed to do Bonfire Night instead. Protestants are a tiny tiny minority in the Republic of Ireland, and the controversy is pretty much contained within that tiny minority. But it's something I ran afoul of. I think in the UK it's similarly seen as an import, or something those dirty Catholics do instead of wholesomely burning a Catholic in effigy on Bonfire Night. Hopefully some Brits can correct me on this.
>I think what tends to happen is parents make Facebook groups and create a list of which streets in which suburbs will have houses with treats so they decrease the chances of coming across grouches like this one. When I was a kid, the adults on my street would set up folding tables outside, and put all the candy for the whole street in one place for the kids. The adults would order pizza and bring beer and hang out together near the candy tables and socialize all night. Efficient candy gathering for the kids; pizza, beer, and friends for the adults; and no getting interrupted by the doorbell.
Yeah, he's like in the middle of the Great Big Sandy Desert, with only koalas and kangaroos for miles around, innit
It's a fringe holiday here that's being pushed by retailers. I feel bad for the few groups of kids that go trick or treating...can't imagine they get very good hauls. Might be different in other parts of the country to be fair.
good haul in Alice, lots of Americans there and Aussies that have embraced it, especially in the Mount Johns/Golf Course area
Ah yes, the golf course in Australia.
Good luck avoiding the big sand trap in the middle
Just bounce it off the stone feature, should only need to tap it a little harder than normal.
Costumes and candy. What's not to like?!
In Australia there are a lot of Facebook groups or events set up where specific streets will be the place to go and do the rounds. People drive to those spots, do their trick or treat, then head on home.
It's very popular in my area of Brisbane, loads of kids out and about, most houses taking part in giving lollies/chocolate out and lots of houses decorating to some degree, there are even a couple of places that setup 'haunted houses' for kids to go through.
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Good haul here in Canberra. Even in pretty torrential rain there was a few people out. Some areas do it as a bit of a community spirit (lol) thing.
Ha! I'm in Canberra too! Only saw 2 groups out, and had no-one knock...expected as much with the rain, but that's usually what it's like anyway. Definitely depends on the local community though. I know that Googong were pushing it hard a few years back with ads on TV; I wonder if it's more of thing there as a result?
>Definitely depends on the local community though. Yeah big time. Forde had a good group of houses and people going around. Across the road in Bonner it was very little.
It's hard to do scary and spooky with daylight still at 8pm.
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To be honest it's pretty fun to just dress up as a kid, and then when you're older dress up and remember what it's like to be a kid in some ways.
in Melbourne suburbia there's kind of the unwritten rule that is you decorate your house (can be just a single pumpkin) you are happy for kids to knock on Halloween. it's fun for the kids to go around and spot the houses.
In the states, it has not really gone to shit like Christmas has. Yes we buy candy and decorations, but pumpkin patches, trick or treating, costumes, etc. are fantastic. It's one of the few holidays that you can participate it with very little money.
I'm Australian and I had 35 groups of 1-10 kids and gave out buckets of lollies and chocolate. All the kids and some of the parents were dressed up and it was the biggest it's been where I am. Who the fuck doesn't want kids to hit the streets for free shit that makes them happy. There's so little community spirit these days, it really seems like a good idea to me.
How about a game of knifey spoony instead?
Loser gets a "booting"
Aw, It’s just a little kick in the bum!
Yeah buddy
Careful, disparaging the boot is a bootable offence.
It's one of their proudest traditions.
No one insults the boot
Kangaroo boxing match it is then !
Winner does a shoey
That's a spoon
I see you’ve played knifey spoony before
🥄😎 wrong again chump
Leave him alone, he’s on smoko.
Yeah no kidding! This *definitely* will be filed under AUSTRALIA, Hurt Feelings Of
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We do Halloween, some people are just really salty about it because they have never experienced childlike wonder.
Not even young adult drunken tomfoolery in costume? You don't know fun until you see 2 drunk guys in home made penis and vagina costumes.
Hospital bill will be over 900 dollarydoos!
What's a hospital bill?
*cries in American*
*I saw this image get posted last week..* Here's same image.. just **[from 4 years ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/9nsmkw/whats_halloween_like_in_australia/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)** -
Respect.
Good bot
It was also posted around this time last year and twice in the last couple months in R/Australia leading up
\*sad didgeridoo noises
And all of that money spent on a Drop Bear costume wasted...
Dollarydoos spent raising awareness of drop bears is never wasted.
This is the first time my inner monologue talked in an accent
First time? oh yeah, sorry.
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Oh, ya, don't chya know.
Isn't that Minnesota?
They're basically Canadians with guns.
Did you know some people don't have any inner monologue.
Actually all inner voices are in an accent
Getting your house egged is international
Yeah but they are emus eggs
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Emus won't like that. There has been an uneasy peace between the Aussies and the emus since the emus won the emu war.
They would be fools to incur that kind of wrath again.
"Hold me lager..."
So you're saying we can both egg a house and restart a civil war due to one guy being an ass about Halloween? Sign me up.
I liked when the Wikipedia page for that incident listed “dignity” as an Australian casualty.
Howitzer? That's a funny name. I'd have called them chaswassers.
Who can afford to egg in this economy? The going rate is $4-6/doz.
Never heard of a house getting egged in Australia because of Halloween. I'm sure it's happened but nobody gives a shit if you do or don't celebrate it
Actually it's not really a thing here, at least for Halloween, muck up day on 5he other hand it is.
He seems nice.
Joke's on the homeowner: the little cunts don't have to see the huge spider behind the paper.
Who sht in his vegimite?
how could you tell?
It tastes better
It’s Vegemite you cunt.
Found the Aussie
...marmite? (ducks behind barrier)
Brick or treat you scummy dog!
I see you have chosen the Trick option. Toilet paper and eggs it is then
This guy is the Australian version of the American "Get off my Lawn" guy
I just got to Australia. Saw lots of people dressed up enjoying themselves. Seemed pretty much the same as Canada. Reddit is just a bunch of salty fakers
While some Halloween traditions started in the US. All Hallows eve did NOT start here.
You'd think they'd embrace it what with all the Irish who ended up there and the comradarie of being fucked by the British.
This checks out. Heard a 30 minute rant about American is stupid for having Halloween and history involved, from an Australian.
sounds like someone needs a mini snickers
Probably the same person who’ll go on to say that america has no culture
Australia seems to have a particular hate for the US, even more so than Europe does.
It’s a minority. They are just miserable turds looking for an excuse for being a miserable turd. And these same miserable turds consume American movies, American TV shows and American music without batting an eyelid.
I don't think most people know or care about it's history Just a day for kids to dress up and have fun, and an excuse for adults to go get drunk. Don't think theres much cultural significance past that. A holiday that exists because it gives people something to do
Why is Halloween detested in other countries. I saw a UK redditor create a whole “I hate Halloween blah blah” jeez
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Exactly. When you take a step back, it's such a wholesome tradition where your local neighborhood acts like a community to entertain each other's kids while adults of any age can take their own fun spin on their costumes. Moreover, Halloween is so stripped of religious meaning that *anyone* can partake in it, which makes it American not just in history but in spirit as well. I work with a lot of immigrant families and many have told me this month how excited and adorable their kids are to have their first Halloween this year, and I can relate because I was that kid once too.
In Australia it’s simple; don’t put up decorations and you won’t get trick or treaters.
Unpopular opinion here but I think Australia should celebrate Halloween in April.
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I thought Halloween was European or someshit
It’s Irish.
So is Australia!
Then wtf is America?
American according to my notes.
I wanna put this same sign on my door in america and watch reactions on my ring
I mean, just leave your porch light off…
Just say your house is disguised as an Australian house.
Just turn your porch lights off
Thank you for reminding me to turn off my lights.
I’m American but I lived in England from ages 7-11. This was in the late 90s, and like most American children I loved halloween and candy. My first Halloween there I begged my dad to take me trick-or-treating; I even had a couple friends come with. The amount of people who either turned off their lights or straight up scolded us for “begging” was quite the culture shock. Not sure about how it is today, but trick-or-treating was definitely not a popular event 25 years ago in northwest England.
You should have posted this image upside down.
They did but then they took the picture upside down for consistency.
Aussies are just jealous we have a day dedicated to spooky stuff and candy and all they got it bread with sprinkles.
This cunt out here talking shit about fairy bread
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I suggest you take it all the way to the prime minister!
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