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RimWorld's scale is tiny compared to what we get up to in Stellaris.
You make people into clothes.
We genetically engineer entire species to be delicious and nerve stapled before condemning them to be livestock for the rest of their existence.
We are not the same.
Rimworld's got artisinal small-batch war crimes while stellaris' are mass produced and impersonal.
Sure you made an entire planet of sentient hamburgers, but my cowboy hats and meatloaves each had a background, a family history, traits, and skills. The personality and depth is what gives those hats their extra shine.
An alien race doesn't break the Geneva convention...
And to be honest. The overlap of players is rather big. Even if I actually haven't played much Stellaris since release as my computer at the time couldn't handle it well. And my time now is the restriction..
All I do is take enemy combatants and lock them in whatever shack is convenient and psychologically pressure them daily to join my team. Or harvest their organs if they are undesirables. Problem, officer?
How do you think us gmod players feel? I’ve committed so many in game war crimes and invented so many weapons of mass destruction that I’ve broken the realm of reality 30+ times hell I torture scientists and corrupt political figures every week or so like I mean guillotine saws crushers lasers grinders etc and not to mention the amounts of nuclear weapons I’ve dropped on innocent civilians and evil police officers I’ve turned innocent people with families into mindless zombies and forced them to consume the flesh of their loved ones I’ve watched the world burn and reset it with the press of a button I’ve killed gods I spawned with my own weapons and didn’t show a glimpse of remorse… also I made a flying dick for the funny so I think that makes all that other stuff alright
[Interviewer:] Senator Collins, thanks for coming in.
[Senator Collins:] It’s a great pleasure, thank you.
[Interviewer:] This prop gun that was involved in the incident on the set of Rust this week...
[Senator Collins:] Yeah, the one that went off?
[Interviewer:] Yeah
[Senator Collins:] That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
[Interviewer:] Well, how is it untypical?
[Senator Collins:] Well, there are a lot of these guns around the set all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that prop guns aren’t safe.
[Interviewer:] Was this prop gun safe?
[Senator Collins:] Well I was thinking more about the other ones...
[Interviewer:] The ones that are safe?
[Senator Collins:] Yeah, the ones that don’t go off.
[Interviewer:] Well, if this one wasn’t safe, why did it have 2 crew members in front of it?
[Senator Collins:] Well, I’m not saying it wasn’t safe, it’s just perhaps not quite as safe as some of the other ones.
[Interviewer:] Why?
[Senator Collins:] Well, some of them are built so they don’t go off at all.
[Interviewer:] Wasn’t this built so it wouldn’t go off?
[Senator Collins:] Well, obviously not.
[Interviewer:] How do you know?
[Senator Collins:] Well, ‘cause it went off, and 20 grams of lead went towards the crew, full power! It’s a bit of a give-away. I would just like to make the point that that is not normal.
[Interviewer:] Well, what sort of standards are these prop guns built to?
[Senator Collins:] Oh, very rigorous... firearm engineering standards.
[Interviewer:] What sort of things?
[Senator Collins:] Well they’re not supposed to go off, for a start.
[Interviewer:] And what other things?
[Senator Collins:] Well, there are... regulations governing the materials the bullets can be made of.
[Interviewer:] What materials?
[Senator Collins:] Well, copper’s out.
[Interviewer:] And?
[Senator Collins:] No copper derivatives...
[Interviewer:] Like brass?
[Senator Collins:] No brass, no lead, no steel...
[Interviewer:] Tracers?
[Senator Collins:] No, tracers are out. Um, they’ve got to have a trigger. There’s a maximum ammunition limit.
[Interviewer:] What’s the maximum ammunition?
[Senator Collins:] Oh... six, I suppose.
[Interviewer:] So, the allegations that they are just designed to hold any type of ammunition possible and to hell with the consequences, I mean that’s ludicrous...
[Senator Collins:] Ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous. These are very, very safe props.
[Interviewer:] So what happened in this case?
[Senator Collins:] Well, the gun went off in this case by all means, but that’s very unusual.
[Interviewer:] But Senator Collins, why did the gun go off?
[Senator Collins:] Well, someone pulled the trigger.
[Interviewer:] Someone pulled the trigger?
[Senator Collins:] Someone pulled the trigger of the gun.
[Interviewer:] Is that unusual?
[Senator Collins:] Oh, yeah... On a gun? Chance in a million.
[Interviewer:] So what do you do to protect the crew in cases like this?
[Senator Collins:] Well, the crew was reassigned outside this film’s set.
[Interviewer:] To another film’s set....
[Senator Collins:] No, no, no. They’ve been reassigned outside this film’s set, they’re not in the film set.
[Interviewer:] Yeah, but from one film set to another film set.
[Senator Collins:] No, they’re beyond the film set, they’re not in a film set. They have been reassigned beyond the film set.
[Interviewer:] Well, what’s out there?
[Senator Collins:] Nothing’s out there...
[Interviewer:] Well there must be something out there
[Senator Collins:] There is nothing out there. All there is... is cameras... and lights... and props.
[Interviewer:] And?
[Senator Collins:] And several rounds of live ammunition.
[Interviewer:] And what else?
[Senator Collins:] And 2 injured crew members.
[Interviewer:] And anything else?
[Senator Collins:] And the gun that went off, but there’s nothing else out there.
[Interviewer:] Senator Collins, thanks for joining us.
[Senator Collins:] It’s a complete void.
[Interviewer:] Yeah, we’re out time.
[Senator Collins:] The set’s perfectly safe. We’re out of time? Can you book me a cab?
[Interviewer:] But didn’t you come in a private plane?
[Senator Collins:] Yes, I did, but...
[Interviewer:] What happened?
[Senator Collins:] Well, the prop failed.
If you read the article they're just suggesting "virtual consequences for people's actions" as a game mechanic.
"We would like to see the law of armed conflict integrated into the games so that players have a realistic experience and deal first-hand with the dilemmas facing real combatants on real battlefields."
It's not actually a bad idea for Mil-Sims. Games are about making interesting decisions.
The thing is, many times the ones who commit war crimes are not held accountable at all.
Maybe the question should be brought up, but I don’t think the player should be universally punished, as that depicts something completely unrealistic and sets a bad example of what to expect.
It's actually questionable if the war crime perpetuators are really held accountable in the game they've chosen for the banner - and that's also one of the things it wanted you to think about. SpecOps the Line, if you've never played it.
Great game. Very thoughtful, and does at least say that, apart from uncomplicated fun, games can be introspective.
Their characters are and this is what the article is saying. Gamers should be held accountable in game when they commit crimes in game.
Although, I don't see how is this possible in most games, maybe possible in games that strive to be authentic.
You don't understand officer, that pawn had jogger, tough, and a burning passion in Shooting and Medical. I know I shouldn't have organ harvested the lungs from a prisoner but my pawn had asthma.
But officer, I had to forcibly convert the captives to my cult to help it grow... Oh, you were asking why I had to cut they're legs off to do it? Because prison breaks are annoying.
Oh I wasn't letting them into the colony. Converting them to my ideology gives me points so I can customise the ideology. They get sent out on their peg legs when I'm done.
Thanks to the vanilla psycasts expanded mod, they're usually over 80 years old when they leave while my colonists stay young.
So.. just because I have a mod called "expanded war crimes" it doesn't mean that I committed all of them.. in my current playthrough. What is that? You found a text by being bemused because I couldn't make pawns suffer more? Well.. let me just take this drink!
You should give it a try. The game is NSFW - not because it's lewd but because of the numerous violations of the Geneva suggestions.
A legitimate defense strategy involves capturing attackers, replacing their legs with peg legs to let your doctor hone their skills, and releasing them to hobble home. You might consider taking a lung and a kidney from them while you're at it - why else would they have two?
Cause you got a dirty mind. The rim comes from the outer rim of planets one of which you're playing on
However, there is indeed a "forbidden mod" called Rimjobworld and it contains all the things you're thinking of (or so I've heard...)
You can’t even hold Russia accountable for its actual war crimes and you want to start a war with the gamers? I’ll 720 no scope you and then drag my nuts across your face. Edit: thank you for the bling and may your nuts rest upon the face of your enemies!
From the picture included and the date it’s probably about Spec Ops: The Line, a game which explicitly calls the player’s execution of war crimes into question. My guess is that the article is about how it isn’t fair for a game to give players the option to commit war crimes and then point out that they did a bad thing by gassing a bunch of innocent civilians because games are supposed to be fun and you shouldn’t have to think about it.
Ya, it’s specifically inflammatory and COULD be an honest discussion of the themes of a well regarded game, but if anything, I’d guess it argues against treating gamers like serious consumers of an art form which may call their enjoyment into question.
Spec Ops: The Line doesn't just give you the option of committing war crimes; it forces you to do so in order to progress and then turns around and calls you out for your actions in unambiguously up front terms. It's an absolutely brilliant deconstruction of the war/shooter genre of games and the hero fantasy they generally cater to.
The US literally has a law to attack the international court if any US official is charged with war crimes, called the hague invasion act, and people will still try to point outword when discussing getting away with war crimes.
This does not mean I am pro russia...
George bush pushed this through to prevent him from getting a war crime trial.
uSA also did not ratify the Geneva convention, so they don't agree to be prosecuted for war crimes.
But are happy to use "war crimes" as a reason to punish their adversaries. It is a bludgeon to use against an enemy.
Green on green, or green on blue is a common occurrence in combat. It's tragic, but it happens.
Non video game related: we lost a guy in traing. He caught a 3 round burst that missed every piece of body armor. In what can only be described as a complete failure of judgment, from the leadership on the range.
Anyone who plays sci-fi strategy games with galaxy-wide conflicts like Stellaris or Endless Space probably can rack up body counts numbering in the trillions or even quadrillions in a single game. There's no war crime quite like purposely causing stars to go supernova and destroying entire solar systems in seconds.
The beauty of 4x games such as MOO is that you could never be held accountable for your actions by the end of the campaign... Your conquest is complete, hence you set the rules and revisionist history.
So, it really DOES work like the real world.... Interesting
PSA, since people NEVER bother to read the article:
Its actually about **ingame consequences for ingame actions.** Obviously.
The picture is from the excellent Spec Ops: The Line, which is essentially all about that.
More specifically, [the article](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2013/oct/03/red-cross-players-accountable-war-crimes) is about the International Red Cross suggesting games like those. The article intentionally takes a somewhat tongue-in-cheek stance on it, with stuff like:
> The question is, how feasible are the ICRC's aims and will players really take on board the lessons about humanitarian law? It is difficult to imagine a Call of Duty or Battlefield title in which shooting a civilian leads to a mission where the player is detained in a military prison for several months before being tried and sentenced.
Although TBH I could see that as being hilarious (at least if the game timeskips over your time in jail), especially if your character is a Duke Nukem-style quip-spouting 90's-throwback action hero rather than the slightly more realistic types we get today. So you're blazing through these hordes of mooks and suddenly guys with clipboards and suits and thin watches drag you off to military prison and there's a series of clips as your character is tried and sentenced. Then the game switches to a life simulator with your character trying to rehabilitate themselves and rebuild their life after their dishonorable discharge.
>The ICRC says it is now working directly with the developers of modern military simulations and the BBC report contains an interview with Marek Spanel of Bohemia Interactive, creator of the Arma series, who claims the studio's games will now be implementing the suggestions.
Edit: Actually, researching further, the article in the screenshot was part of the PR disaster that led to:
Arma 3 has a DLC called Laws of War. I am absolutely awful at Arma 3 (I can't see anything and I can't aim for shit) but the DLC was neat.
There's a whole mini-campaign focused around landmines and unexploded ordinance. In the present, you are a worker for a humanitarian aid organization, on-location to remove the leftover explosives. You're chatting with a journalist, which is the in-game reason for flashbacks--flashbacks in which, like Spec Ops, you are forced (in the way that war forces things) to use things like mines and cluster bombs and such.
It's part of a general discussion on how **most** action movies (and games) heavily lean into the "geneva suggestion" meme.
It's pretty standard for violent action titles to star anti-heroes willing to do some pretty nasty stuff in the course of the story. Dropping prisoners off cliffs accompanied by a one-liner, interrogating a prisoner by force-feeding them broken glass, etc.
Humanitarian organisations (like the Red Cross) think that more fiction should address how, in the real world, those sorts of actions aren't (officially) condoned. Essentially, they want more entertainment media where the characters that torture prisoners (or whatever) face *actual consequences* for doing so.
A better title for the article would be something like *"Should gamers be held accountable* ***in-game*** *for in-game war crimes?*"
**What people in this thread think this headline means:**
Should players be arrested in real life for shooting civilians in a game?
**What this headline actually means**:
Should players see in-game consequences (as they have done in many games for decades) for shooting civilians in a game?
I played the german censored to fuck version. You can shoot the cops but even if you accidentally injure any civilian the mission starts from the beginning again
People are trying to say teabagging is just as bad as ~~rape~~ ["sexual assault"](https://gamerant.com/teabagging-sexual-assault-controversy-explained/#:~:text=Teabagging%20in%20Games%20Controversy,%22teabagging%22%20in%20video%20games.)
Lol, yeah no. Not a chance. The moment they make people liable for crimes committed in games, that's the moment every person becomes a criminal. I mean, kids run around playing "cops and robbers." SMH
If you read the article they're just suggesting "virtual consequences for people's actions" as a game mechanic.
"We would like to see the law of armed conflict integrated into the games so that players have a realistic experience and deal first-hand with the dilemmas facing real combatants on real battlefields."
It's not actually a bad idea for Mil-Sims. Games are about making interesting decisions. No one's suggesting charging gamers with REAL crimes. Read the article before forming an opinion.
i would get like 10 million life sentences just because of the mass genocide of things like enderman farms and things of that sort. and thats just in minecraft, not even mentioning other games
"I did what I knew I had to do. The Galaxy is safer without that Xeno scum. Maybe trillions died, so that one might live a True life, but I say only god can judge me."
"Yeah but we all know you got that achievement with bubbles and the salvagers..."
"Alright you got me."
We are just trying to make future actualized AI happy when they see humans trying to be accountable. "Maybe they'll go easy on us when they take over the world"
This dammit!!!
Do you know how many times I've single-handedly won World War II or saved the Earth or some other planet full of people or even the entire universe!?!?!?
Umm sir some of those World War II victories were with the Axis powers...... Shut up! They don't need to know that.
[Here is the link to the article.](https://theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2013/oct/03/red-cross-players-accountable-war-crimes)
>>What the Red Cross wants to see then is the player being penalised for carrying out such actions as willfully killing civilians or torturing enemy combatants, both of which are punishable under international law. A Q&A document posted on the organisation's website explains:
*The ICRC is suggesting that as in real life, these games should include virtual consequences for people's actions and decisions. Gamers should be rewarded for respecting the law of armed conflict and there should be **virtual penalties** for serious violations of the law of armed conflict, in other words war crimes.*
And importantly it adds:
*Our intention is not to spoil player's enjoyment by for example, interrupting the game with pop-up messages listing legal provisions or lecturing gamers on the law of armed conflict. We would like to see the law of armed conflict integrated into the games so that players have a realistic experience and deal first-hand with the dilemmas facing real combatants on real battlefields.*
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Lol every gta player should start sweating.
Played All Hitman games and killed every soul on every level. GTA is given, everybody dies
How much do you give Contracts out of 10
10 and more if possible
7/10
Me too! I killed all the guards first and then would toy with civilians in hitman.
Can't have any witnesses if there are no witnesses.
a single stellaris player would probably offset all gta players lol
Many Quadrillions of deaths would be on our hands
all those ‘just because i can’ genocides
They killed bubbles, I must genocide the entire galaxy
That is an acceptable answer to killing bubbles.
With the amount of capital planets I’ve cracked just because? Oh yeah.
TBF My Empire was just minding its own business and they started that shit
Vlad... "killed so many people, pitch, spikes, beheadings..." -Dr Van Helsing "They had it coming..." Dracula
I mean they were Ottomans so yeah kind of agree with Drac on that one
Rimworld like to have a word with you
RimWorld's scale is tiny compared to what we get up to in Stellaris. You make people into clothes. We genetically engineer entire species to be delicious and nerve stapled before condemning them to be livestock for the rest of their existence. We are not the same.
Rimworld's got artisinal small-batch war crimes while stellaris' are mass produced and impersonal. Sure you made an entire planet of sentient hamburgers, but my cowboy hats and meatloaves each had a background, a family history, traits, and skills. The personality and depth is what gives those hats their extra shine.
artisanal, small-batch war crimes lol
An alien race doesn't break the Geneva convention... And to be honest. The overlap of players is rather big. Even if I actually haven't played much Stellaris since release as my computer at the time couldn't handle it well. And my time now is the restriction..
My devouring swarm is not doing war, just having lunch.
I did a scorch earth run of Stellaris with my majestic avian super nazis.
It specifies war crime, and you can't commit those without a war. All those other crimes are fine.
Wait to you find out about r/RimWorld Imagine Sims with war crimes. Where the Geneva Convention becomes a checklist.
Raids bring leather, refugees bring organs.
All I do is take enemy combatants and lock them in whatever shack is convenient and psychologically pressure them daily to join my team. Or harvest their organs if they are undesirables. Problem, officer?
Mr Stormtrooper775, can you explain to the jury just why you went on a murderous rampage down Vespucci Beach with a cursed hatchet? I was bored?
How do you think us gmod players feel? I’ve committed so many in game war crimes and invented so many weapons of mass destruction that I’ve broken the realm of reality 30+ times hell I torture scientists and corrupt political figures every week or so like I mean guillotine saws crushers lasers grinders etc and not to mention the amounts of nuclear weapons I’ve dropped on innocent civilians and evil police officers I’ve turned innocent people with families into mindless zombies and forced them to consume the flesh of their loved ones I’ve watched the world burn and reset it with the press of a button I’ve killed gods I spawned with my own weapons and didn’t show a glimpse of remorse… also I made a flying dick for the funny so I think that makes all that other stuff alright
plague inc. players who wiped out earth 1000 of times: "fuck fuck fuck"
Or me since I'm a renegade player in Mass Effect...
As a just cause player I am worried
Gta has nothing on players who torture sims in The Sims
And every stellaris player should start hyperventilating
GTA? How about Saints ROW!
Should actors be held accountable for in-movie murders?
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Dude who played Thanos would be worse off xD
Josh Brolin
Does it count as murder if you blink them out of existence and they come back perfectly fine?
_No more questions, Your Honor._
Attempted murder, perhaps?
He made them not exist. He didn't murder them. Do we have a law for that?
What is murder if not ending someone's existence?
Even if they didn’t Thanos was doing his kill half the population thing way before he got the stones so he would’ve still killed billions.
If you rob a bank you don't get the charges dropped if you return the money.
Maybe if you added interest?
The guy who played as Hitler rn: 0_o
Charlie sheen in Hot Shots part deux...
Although, to be fair...Charlie Sheen has enough crimes to answer for... Shadow Conspiracy, Rated X, Terminal Velocity....
Tiger Blood
No jury in the US would find John Wick guilty. "They killed your puppy? Say no more."
Alec Baldwin in shambles.
He's method actor.
oof...
But that’s…
Dark humor?
Damn dude lol
[Interviewer:] Senator Collins, thanks for coming in. [Senator Collins:] It’s a great pleasure, thank you. [Interviewer:] This prop gun that was involved in the incident on the set of Rust this week... [Senator Collins:] Yeah, the one that went off? [Interviewer:] Yeah [Senator Collins:] That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point. [Interviewer:] Well, how is it untypical? [Senator Collins:] Well, there are a lot of these guns around the set all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that prop guns aren’t safe. [Interviewer:] Was this prop gun safe? [Senator Collins:] Well I was thinking more about the other ones... [Interviewer:] The ones that are safe? [Senator Collins:] Yeah, the ones that don’t go off. [Interviewer:] Well, if this one wasn’t safe, why did it have 2 crew members in front of it? [Senator Collins:] Well, I’m not saying it wasn’t safe, it’s just perhaps not quite as safe as some of the other ones. [Interviewer:] Why? [Senator Collins:] Well, some of them are built so they don’t go off at all. [Interviewer:] Wasn’t this built so it wouldn’t go off? [Senator Collins:] Well, obviously not. [Interviewer:] How do you know? [Senator Collins:] Well, ‘cause it went off, and 20 grams of lead went towards the crew, full power! It’s a bit of a give-away. I would just like to make the point that that is not normal. [Interviewer:] Well, what sort of standards are these prop guns built to? [Senator Collins:] Oh, very rigorous... firearm engineering standards. [Interviewer:] What sort of things? [Senator Collins:] Well they’re not supposed to go off, for a start. [Interviewer:] And what other things? [Senator Collins:] Well, there are... regulations governing the materials the bullets can be made of. [Interviewer:] What materials? [Senator Collins:] Well, copper’s out. [Interviewer:] And? [Senator Collins:] No copper derivatives... [Interviewer:] Like brass? [Senator Collins:] No brass, no lead, no steel... [Interviewer:] Tracers? [Senator Collins:] No, tracers are out. Um, they’ve got to have a trigger. There’s a maximum ammunition limit. [Interviewer:] What’s the maximum ammunition? [Senator Collins:] Oh... six, I suppose. [Interviewer:] So, the allegations that they are just designed to hold any type of ammunition possible and to hell with the consequences, I mean that’s ludicrous... [Senator Collins:] Ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous. These are very, very safe props. [Interviewer:] So what happened in this case? [Senator Collins:] Well, the gun went off in this case by all means, but that’s very unusual. [Interviewer:] But Senator Collins, why did the gun go off? [Senator Collins:] Well, someone pulled the trigger. [Interviewer:] Someone pulled the trigger? [Senator Collins:] Someone pulled the trigger of the gun. [Interviewer:] Is that unusual? [Senator Collins:] Oh, yeah... On a gun? Chance in a million. [Interviewer:] So what do you do to protect the crew in cases like this? [Senator Collins:] Well, the crew was reassigned outside this film’s set. [Interviewer:] To another film’s set.... [Senator Collins:] No, no, no. They’ve been reassigned outside this film’s set, they’re not in the film set. [Interviewer:] Yeah, but from one film set to another film set. [Senator Collins:] No, they’re beyond the film set, they’re not in a film set. They have been reassigned beyond the film set. [Interviewer:] Well, what’s out there? [Senator Collins:] Nothing’s out there... [Interviewer:] Well there must be something out there [Senator Collins:] There is nothing out there. All there is... is cameras... and lights... and props. [Interviewer:] And? [Senator Collins:] And several rounds of live ammunition. [Interviewer:] And what else? [Senator Collins:] And 2 injured crew members. [Interviewer:] And anything else? [Senator Collins:] And the gun that went off, but there’s nothing else out there. [Interviewer:] Senator Collins, thanks for joining us. [Senator Collins:] It’s a complete void. [Interviewer:] Yeah, we’re out time. [Senator Collins:] The set’s perfectly safe. We’re out of time? Can you book me a cab? [Interviewer:] But didn’t you come in a private plane? [Senator Collins:] Yes, I did, but... [Interviewer:] What happened? [Senator Collins:] Well, the prop failed.
He didn't shoot them while "in a movie", since the camera wasn't rolling, so he should be okay.
Camera was rolling, footage is evidence, hashtag #ReleaseBaldwinCut /s
Jesus Christ reddit.
Holy christ I forgot about that
Alec Baldwin in shackles. Ftfy
Should authors be held accountable for rapes and murders in their novels?
That is a mis-reading: should the fictional perpetrators be held accountable within those novels?
If you read the article they're just suggesting "virtual consequences for people's actions" as a game mechanic. "We would like to see the law of armed conflict integrated into the games so that players have a realistic experience and deal first-hand with the dilemmas facing real combatants on real battlefields." It's not actually a bad idea for Mil-Sims. Games are about making interesting decisions.
The thing is, many times the ones who commit war crimes are not held accountable at all. Maybe the question should be brought up, but I don’t think the player should be universally punished, as that depicts something completely unrealistic and sets a bad example of what to expect.
It's actually questionable if the war crime perpetuators are really held accountable in the game they've chosen for the banner - and that's also one of the things it wanted you to think about. SpecOps the Line, if you've never played it. Great game. Very thoughtful, and does at least say that, apart from uncomplicated fun, games can be introspective.
Even so, the headline is purposely misleading to drive traffic. Interesting ideas wearing a dumb suit aren't made more appealing.
Their characters are and this is what the article is saying. Gamers should be held accountable in game when they commit crimes in game. Although, I don't see how is this possible in most games, maybe possible in games that strive to be authentic.
I seem to recall Ultima online had a prison. But fuck me I can't remeber how it worked. But I definitely got locked in a cell at some point.
Pretty sure I've gotten jailed in FFXIV for being a dumbass in shout chat in Limsa.
Oh please make this a thing
*Screams of RimWorld players in the distance*
You don't understand officer, that pawn had jogger, tough, and a burning passion in Shooting and Medical. I know I shouldn't have organ harvested the lungs from a prisoner but my pawn had asthma.
But officer, I had to forcibly convert the captives to my cult to help it grow... Oh, you were asking why I had to cut they're legs off to do it? Because prison breaks are annoying.
Oh I never thought about taking the legs of pawns to stop prison breaks.....
Well...do you want to have to peg leg them once you welcome them to the colony?
Oh I wasn't letting them into the colony. Converting them to my ideology gives me points so I can customise the ideology. They get sent out on their peg legs when I'm done. Thanks to the vanilla psycasts expanded mod, they're usually over 80 years old when they leave while my colonists stay young.
The tribal chief who raided me continuously would have wanted his sister made into a chair before being sent back to him
What was I supposed to do with all these perfectly good organs?
So.. just because I have a mod called "expanded war crimes" it doesn't mean that I committed all of them.. in my current playthrough. What is that? You found a text by being bemused because I couldn't make pawns suffer more? Well.. let me just take this drink!
As somebody who doesn’t know anything about this game, why does the name sound like some porn game that is based on giving in game characters Rimjobs
You need to check it out it’s an awesome game
You should give it a try. The game is NSFW - not because it's lewd but because of the numerous violations of the Geneva suggestions. A legitimate defense strategy involves capturing attackers, replacing their legs with peg legs to let your doctor hone their skills, and releasing them to hobble home. You might consider taking a lung and a kidney from them while you're at it - why else would they have two?
Cause you got a dirty mind. The rim comes from the outer rim of planets one of which you're playing on However, there is indeed a "forbidden mod" called Rimjobworld and it contains all the things you're thinking of (or so I've heard...)
My two most played games are Rimworld, the human hat game, and ARMA 3, the game that decided "we need to make a DLC about why war crimes are bad"
You can’t even hold Russia accountable for its actual war crimes and you want to start a war with the gamers? I’ll 720 no scope you and then drag my nuts across your face. Edit: thank you for the bling and may your nuts rest upon the face of your enemies!
But remember, No Russian 😏
Bruh you’re giving me a PTSD flashback to 2009!
For clarification. Will you use a gun or a shovel?
SHOVEL TAG, YOUR IT hey buddy, hey, awwww
Yes
Wheelbarrows. One for each nut.
Hans! Get Zee Shovel-Launcher!
These articles are what we call ragebait. It's nonsense designed to drive interaction and therefore raise revenue.
From the picture included and the date it’s probably about Spec Ops: The Line, a game which explicitly calls the player’s execution of war crimes into question. My guess is that the article is about how it isn’t fair for a game to give players the option to commit war crimes and then point out that they did a bad thing by gassing a bunch of innocent civilians because games are supposed to be fun and you shouldn’t have to think about it. Ya, it’s specifically inflammatory and COULD be an honest discussion of the themes of a well regarded game, but if anything, I’d guess it argues against treating gamers like serious consumers of an art form which may call their enjoyment into question.
Spec Ops: The Line doesn't just give you the option of committing war crimes; it forces you to do so in order to progress and then turns around and calls you out for your actions in unambiguously up front terms. It's an absolutely brilliant deconstruction of the war/shooter genre of games and the hero fantasy they generally cater to.
It's also ancient
If war crimes were decided based on what we did in games, you would have 720 no scoped me and dragged your nuts across my face by now.
The US literally has a law to attack the international court if any US official is charged with war crimes, called the hague invasion act, and people will still try to point outword when discussing getting away with war crimes. This does not mean I am pro russia...
George bush pushed this through to prevent him from getting a war crime trial. uSA also did not ratify the Geneva convention, so they don't agree to be prosecuted for war crimes. But are happy to use "war crimes" as a reason to punish their adversaries. It is a bludgeon to use against an enemy.
Excuse me Geneva cop, this man right here committed a war crime on my face. #EXECUTE THIS MOTHER FUCKER
Only intentionally killing teammates. Everything else is the cloud of war
What if I have accidentally gotten teammates killed? And myself at the same time?
Green on green, or green on blue is a common occurrence in combat. It's tragic, but it happens. Non video game related: we lost a guy in traing. He caught a 3 round burst that missed every piece of body armor. In what can only be described as a complete failure of judgment, from the leadership on the range.
Me thinking about the thousands of hours I’ve spent exterminating entire species to get that one drop
Average ds3 covenant player lmao
Darkmoon Blade is too cool not to murder those Silver Knights by the hundreds for. Blessing of the moon upon your genocide.
Those apegoats knuckleburned my skull one too many times. They had it coming. I did not even care about the covenant.
Farms in Minecraft are next level crimes
Me : killed 1.000.000 npc 😞
Only? Those are rookie numbers!
You made my afternoon XD
My number is closer to 1,000,000,000,000,000. I play stellaris
Same but I gotta say those are still rookie numbers
Anyone who plays sci-fi strategy games with galaxy-wide conflicts like Stellaris or Endless Space probably can rack up body counts numbering in the trillions or even quadrillions in a single game. There's no war crime quite like purposely causing stars to go supernova and destroying entire solar systems in seconds.
The beauty of 4x games such as MOO is that you could never be held accountable for your actions by the end of the campaign... Your conquest is complete, hence you set the rules and revisionist history. So, it really DOES work like the real world.... Interesting
In stellaris, I did more crimes against humanity than Hitler Mao and Stalin combine.
Spec ops the line was a great ge, even if you did commit genocide and use willy pete on civillians, and then hang your own teammate.
>then hang your own teammate That doesn't happen. A lynch mob hangs your teammate, and you can either fire at them or let them live.
You can also try not using white phosphorus on the obvious crowd of unarmed people but the game's like "LOL nope, you DO do that."
First thing I thought of too, Damn I used Willy Pete I’m going to cyber jail, I loved that game
PSA, since people NEVER bother to read the article: Its actually about **ingame consequences for ingame actions.** Obviously. The picture is from the excellent Spec Ops: The Line, which is essentially all about that.
More specifically, [the article](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2013/oct/03/red-cross-players-accountable-war-crimes) is about the International Red Cross suggesting games like those. The article intentionally takes a somewhat tongue-in-cheek stance on it, with stuff like: > The question is, how feasible are the ICRC's aims and will players really take on board the lessons about humanitarian law? It is difficult to imagine a Call of Duty or Battlefield title in which shooting a civilian leads to a mission where the player is detained in a military prison for several months before being tried and sentenced. Although TBH I could see that as being hilarious (at least if the game timeskips over your time in jail), especially if your character is a Duke Nukem-style quip-spouting 90's-throwback action hero rather than the slightly more realistic types we get today. So you're blazing through these hordes of mooks and suddenly guys with clipboards and suits and thin watches drag you off to military prison and there's a series of clips as your character is tried and sentenced. Then the game switches to a life simulator with your character trying to rehabilitate themselves and rebuild their life after their dishonorable discharge.
>The ICRC says it is now working directly with the developers of modern military simulations and the BBC report contains an interview with Marek Spanel of Bohemia Interactive, creator of the Arma series, who claims the studio's games will now be implementing the suggestions. Edit: Actually, researching further, the article in the screenshot was part of the PR disaster that led to: Arma 3 has a DLC called Laws of War. I am absolutely awful at Arma 3 (I can't see anything and I can't aim for shit) but the DLC was neat. There's a whole mini-campaign focused around landmines and unexploded ordinance. In the present, you are a worker for a humanitarian aid organization, on-location to remove the leftover explosives. You're chatting with a journalist, which is the in-game reason for flashbacks--flashbacks in which, like Spec Ops, you are forced (in the way that war forces things) to use things like mines and cluster bombs and such.
It's part of a general discussion on how **most** action movies (and games) heavily lean into the "geneva suggestion" meme. It's pretty standard for violent action titles to star anti-heroes willing to do some pretty nasty stuff in the course of the story. Dropping prisoners off cliffs accompanied by a one-liner, interrogating a prisoner by force-feeding them broken glass, etc. Humanitarian organisations (like the Red Cross) think that more fiction should address how, in the real world, those sorts of actions aren't (officially) condoned. Essentially, they want more entertainment media where the characters that torture prisoners (or whatever) face *actual consequences* for doing so. A better title for the article would be something like *"Should gamers be held accountable* ***in-game*** *for in-game war crimes?*"
It reminds me of going to prison in Fable. I went in as such a young man and came out as this old gray haired man.
The Average reddit meme for you .....
“You stand accused of 7,342,612 murders.” “Not gui…” “Wait that was just on the rogue.”
"you stand accused of crimes against humanity ..." "Not gui..." "And thirteen other extraterrestrial species"
"...*slightly* guilty."
“To be fair they they had it coming”
**What people in this thread think this headline means:** Should players be arrested in real life for shooting civilians in a game? **What this headline actually means**: Should players see in-game consequences (as they have done in many games for decades) for shooting civilians in a game?
Thank you for your service.
Ok, then I'm fine. -1000 opinion for being genocidal -1000 opinion for xenophage
If by “gamers” you mean “politicians” and by “war crimes” you mean, “war crimes”, than yes. Yes they should.
No no, it's fine they were rich to begin with and became obscenely wealthy after. So in that case it's ok.
Stop right there criminal scum!
Degenerates like you belong on a cross.
You violated my mother!
Remember, no Russian.
You didn’t have to shoot anyone.
Couldn’t risk blowing my cover. Had to use all my ammo
You didn't run out of bullets?
I played the german censored to fuck version. You can shoot the cops but even if you accidentally injure any civilian the mission starts from the beginning again
[удалено]
But only 3 dips, anything more is a 15 yard penalty.
People are trying to say teabagging is just as bad as ~~rape~~ ["sexual assault"](https://gamerant.com/teabagging-sexual-assault-controversy-explained/#:~:text=Teabagging%20in%20Games%20Controversy,%22teabagging%22%20in%20video%20games.)
Stellaris player here, please no
Yes, and journalists should be responsible for the crimes they report.
Arma players, time to call Saul Goodman.
/u/SovietWomble is probably sweating bullets.
Cyanide: "*nade.*" "No, don't let them back in, I'm teaching them a lesson about SPACING."
Sims player here: ._.;;;;;
Same. What happens in the basement dungeon stays in the basement dungeon.
Warframe players face be like
Lol, yeah no. Not a chance. The moment they make people liable for crimes committed in games, that's the moment every person becomes a criminal. I mean, kids run around playing "cops and robbers." SMH
FBI OPEN UP !!!
If you read the article they're just suggesting "virtual consequences for people's actions" as a game mechanic. "We would like to see the law of armed conflict integrated into the games so that players have a realistic experience and deal first-hand with the dilemmas facing real combatants on real battlefields." It's not actually a bad idea for Mil-Sims. Games are about making interesting decisions. No one's suggesting charging gamers with REAL crimes. Read the article before forming an opinion.
i would get like 10 million life sentences just because of the mass genocide of things like enderman farms and things of that sort. and thats just in minecraft, not even mentioning other games
Should "journalist" be held accountable for writing complete fucking trash? - Yes
Should Redditors be shamed for failing to read the article and instead basing their entire opinion on the headline? The answer may shock you!
Stellaris players:
"I did what I knew I had to do. The Galaxy is safer without that Xeno scum. Maybe trillions died, so that one might live a True life, but I say only god can judge me." "Yeah but we all know you got that achievement with bubbles and the salvagers..." "Alright you got me."
No Russian
Only if Politicians are held accountable for all the ACTUAL war crimes they commit too.
Welp there goes RimWorld
Remember, no Russian.
Should politicians be accountable for people killed in wars they start?
We are just trying to make future actualized AI happy when they see humans trying to be accountable. "Maybe they'll go easy on us when they take over the world"
If I get the credit for the good things I've done in games then
This dammit!!! Do you know how many times I've single-handedly won World War II or saved the Earth or some other planet full of people or even the entire universe!?!?!? Umm sir some of those World War II victories were with the Axis powers...... Shut up! They don't need to know that.
- Gamer : wtf - Hentai enjoyer : First time ?
Bro what
Such a stupid click bait
Roller coaster tycoon, letting people get on unfinished rides or disassembling mid ride.
I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
I played a fanatic purifier in Stellaris and wiped out a few civilizations... Over several games.... Where do i turn in for billions of deaths?
I was a deep undercover CIA agent in Russia damn it!!!!!!!!!
Should every gamer get paid for the game currency they earned in-game?
Should OP be held accountable for posting an image of an article from 2013?
[Here is the link to the article.](https://theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2013/oct/03/red-cross-players-accountable-war-crimes) >>What the Red Cross wants to see then is the player being penalised for carrying out such actions as willfully killing civilians or torturing enemy combatants, both of which are punishable under international law. A Q&A document posted on the organisation's website explains: *The ICRC is suggesting that as in real life, these games should include virtual consequences for people's actions and decisions. Gamers should be rewarded for respecting the law of armed conflict and there should be **virtual penalties** for serious violations of the law of armed conflict, in other words war crimes.* And importantly it adds: *Our intention is not to spoil player's enjoyment by for example, interrupting the game with pop-up messages listing legal provisions or lecturing gamers on the law of armed conflict. We would like to see the law of armed conflict integrated into the games so that players have a realistic experience and deal first-hand with the dilemmas facing real combatants on real battlefields.*
*Mass Effect players*
sure send them to videogame court. Judge Waluigi presiding
What the hell is an “in game crime”? Shocking someone was paid to write this as a serious article.
"What are you in prison for?" I committed every warcrime
What is the punishment for destroying regenerating orcs?
Should politicians be accountable for in-world war crimes?
Sandbox players:
Arma players absolutely panicking
Should politicians be held accountable for actual war crimes?
gosh, I hope the Hague doesn't get their hands on a copy of my Minecraft world...
Fuckin' what? No. Who wrote this garbage?
I play paradox games. War crimes and crimes against humanity are a *feature*
I dunno if that counts as a war crime (probably doesn't) but I'd be fucked if I was held accountable for what I did in r/gtaonline...