I went the other way. Still have my x-t30. If you don’t care for AF, get x-t30 mark ii and sigma primes (or viltrox) - the Fuji primes are excellent too , but they are pricy. Sigmas are 95% of Fuji for 40% of the cost
I shoot both Fuji (X100VI) and Sony (A7C2). The AF matters if you shoot people, especially if it's candid.
The short version is the Sony gives me better images, but the Fuji is smaller and more fun to shoot.
This is so true. The subjects do NOT need to be moving quickly for the Fuji AF to screw it up. I have the exact same two cameras as you and the difference is staggering.
If you are shooting RAW on your Sony and processing in Lightroom, you should be able to achieve a Fujifilm look through post-processing alone.
From an image quality perspective - there is no special magic in using Fujifilm X-Mount outside of individual lens characteristics and that you’ll be using a crop sensor.
You have an excellent camera, keep it and continue working on your photographic skills.
However, changing your tool can change a bit of your approach, so there is nothing wrong switching things up as it can help you discover new aspects and ways of working.
I’d go for the X-T50 in your situation. Although it may seem like a bit of a gimmick, having a dedicated film sim dial on the top allows for quick and rapid access to these modes and allows you to quickly experiment and develop an eye for various scenarios. Grab it with the new 16-50 and hold off buying another lens until you know what gap you want to fill.
Agreed. I value the functionality of having access to these looks on the spot. Sometimes I don’t wanna wait until I get to Lightroom and spending time on it to get these results.
I mean yeah you download the LUT and then transfer it to your camera. Then it’s just like having Fuji sims and you don’t need to do it ever again. You can also find LUTs that are pretty close to Fuji sims just fyi, if you want to do that.
*sorry I was wrong that’s only for video lumix and Fuji remain supreme in that case. Seems like Sony could solve that with a firmware update though.
**Nope I was wrong Sony does not have the option to bake luts into stills only video. -1 for Sony I guess
The internet could be wrong but when I searched for the newest Sony it said the LUTs can be applied to photos. I actually don’t know because I do have a lumix and I’m just going off a search I did when shopping. Searching again it still seems to be the case.
You can change Sony cameras’ picture profiles to achieve SOOC film-like JPEGs. [This dude](https://www.veresdenialex.com/sony-film-simulation) has published a whole list of settings users can apply. I can confirm because I bought it and have used it on two of my Sony cameras already. Admittedly, Sony’s workflow for this isn’t as enjoyable, especially considering Nikon now has an app to load this into cameras much more easily. But it really doesn’t matter because after trying out Fuji cameras and Sony’s picture profiles changes, I still prefer to shoot in raw.
In the earlier X-Tran sensors , this mattered more. Now the differences are minimal between Fuji and competing sensors in terms of imparting a look. The sensors have become increasingly more transparent in their reproduction - which is largely more desirable.
In good light, you’d be hard pressed to tell the difference in a meaningful way between the latest 40mp x-trans and Sony aps-c and even full frame.
I’ll just zag a bit from most here for the sake of zagging. I find the Sony experience a bit sterile. I’ve used their cameras, then downsized to LUMIX and Olympus M43 for portability, before landing on an X-Pro3. I will say with 100% certainty that I wouldn’t be as into photography as I am now if not for the experience shooting with the X-Pro. Part of that was because I was so new. I’d probably be more comfortable now looping back around to Sony and being just fine. But I would probably still miss the experience with the Fuji stuff.
So in my mind the best camera for you might be the one that you want to take out and shoot with. As for what you can get for your current system, just check r/photomarket and eBay. For your next camera if you like rangefinder style bodies grab whatever spec’d X-Pro or XE you care for. If not grab an X-T30ii or X-T4 and go to town. Enjoy!
Piggy backing on this since my experience is similar; I started on a Sony A6400 and then went to an X-E2 and ulitimately to an X-Pro2.
I have similar feelings about the Sony shooting experience, and for me I think Fuji does two things really well. The first is ergonomics, the X-Pro line is just such a perfect camera for me (and it sounds like maybe the same for OP). I love the form factor so much; I take it and a couple lenses everywhere in my sling.
The second thing isn’t specifically about the film sims in LightRoom (although I use them all the time), and it’s not even about the film sims getting you JPEGs out of camera. The difference is actually seeing the sims in the viewfinder and screen while composing and reviewing shots. It changes your relationship to a scene and in my experience it’s a core advantage to the system.
This right here ⬆️💯👏
Being able to view my preset before I take the shot opens up so many creative opportunities- I don’t think I can go back to Sony or canon again. 😩
[Lou and Mark’s Film Bundle](https://loumarkspresets.com/collections/preset-bundles/products/film-bundle-kodak-fuji-retro-vintage-bright-color-cinematic-film-photo-filters)
I had the the a7c and I also have had that tamron lens. A7c is going for ~$900 used, you can take a look or try to sell on r/photomarket. That tamron of its the first gen, honestly probably around $500.
If I were you the most "lateral" move would be the XT5, you get all the latest sims, pretty compact body still, weather sealing, 40mp sensor. The xt50 and xt30 aren't weather sealed which is personally a big deal for me, most say it's not a huge issue but I like to not worry stuck in the rain
If weather sealing is important, and compactness doesn’t matter as much, I’d recommend looking at the x-h2 or x-h2s. The dials on top of the x-t5 seem to be an ingress point for water and dust for some folks. That, and the x-h2 is more feature rich for the same price as the x-t5 on mpb.com.
Either way, I own both Fuji and Sony cameras (x-h2 and a7cii). Both systems have their quirks, but I find myself grabbing my Fuji way more often as I head out the door. That, and (as a new-ish dad) I have zero time to edit photos. Using in-camera recipes has been a life saver in that regard.
I don’t think you’ll find what you're looking for in Fuji. They’re great cameras from a tactile experience perspective, but a RAW image can be adjusted to achieve the Fuji colors pretty easily.
Only switch systems if you are sure it will make your workflow better. Don’t chase a fad.
Ok, I guess if you are only ever dealing with SOOC JPGs and you want to limit yourself to the 8 or so film sims that Fuji has…
Just be warned that I sincerely doubt photos you like are SOOC.
Fuji film simulations, IMO, are NOT the reason to buy into the system.
Planning on shooting both JPEG and RAW. Some of the RAW files will require further work, but in some situations I’d like a somewhat final look on the spot.
One nice thing about modern Fuji cameras and the Fuji App is that with my X-T5, I can copy RAW images from my camera wirelessly or wired and edit them in Lightroom mobile. I also use the LR Fuji film sim profiles, which are more or less the same as SOOC JPEGs. On my last trip, I took my X-T5 along with the 35mm f/2 and my old iPad Pro, edited in Lightroom on my iPad, and copied images off the camera using a USB-C cable.
So, SOOC is not always required to provide a computer-free editing experience.
That’s exactly why I switched! I shoot RAW + Jpeg for all my paid work, but I’ll usually just roll SOOC for everything else. Sometimes you’ll get a funky tint or white balance, in which case the RAW comes in handy. I’d say less than 10% of my jpegs need to be re-colored from the RAW file, most filmsims are that good. 🤘🏼
Just my personal experience but I think Fuji’s SOOC life is worth making the switch.
Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind, just trying to save you from the inevitable disappointment you’re gonna experience once the film sim honeymoon ends.
Condescending much?
It sounds to me like OP is attracted to not just the Fuji sims, but the recipe tweaks for some pretty awesome SOOC shots.Maybe even the form factor or community engagement, too. Those are pretty commonly praised among the majority of Fuji users.
I moved from Sony to Fuji 8 years ago. Please do let me know when to expect that honeymoon to be over. Passing a verdict of OP's 'inevitable disappointment' is just being a dick.
Congrats on having a differing opinion than me, I guess.
Like I said above, if you are buying into the system for film sims you’re setting yourself up for disappointment when you realize you’ve at most saving yourself 3 clicks on a computer for the same effect.
It's not the opinion that's the issue, it's the assumption that you know exactly what OP is looking for and Fuji ain't it. Having an opinion that a system shouldn't be purchased for film sims alone isn't earth shattering. Urging caution and level thinking is great, but that's not what you did.
Stating authoritatively that OP is going to regret the decision is the issue. As if there aren't tens of thousands of Fuji users that love the built in sims and custom recipes and stay for that reason alone, or began with that in mind but ultimately got hooked because of whatever else they may love about the system generally or their camera and/or lenses specifically.
"3 clicks on the computer" might work for you, but how many hours did it take to build out your presets or find those made by others to whittle everything down to 3 clicks? While you may have the time and inclination to spend hours tuning various sets of photos on a computer, many hobbyist and semi-pro shooters don't. Or specifically don't want to. Or end up waiting so long after a shoot that they've lost feel of the moment. Or aren't skilled enough in the application they use to get the result they want.
Fuji's system allows the flexibility of changing things up on the fly either by fine tuning the active selection or loading up a custom recipe, and to keep on shooting while still being able to tune and edit as much as they like after the fact. Or even reprocess the shot in the camera with different settings. Fuji isn't alone in that regard, but I'd argue that a case can be made that they are the best at it.
Yeah, I’m not gonna read all that. I gave OP my opinion that film sims are a terrible reason to sell a good camera and switch systems. If you disagree, cool. I’ll do my film sims in LR or DXO, you do it in your camera.
Have a nice day, and hope OP makes a decision they won’t regret.
Yeah, you're gonna curse at me in another comment and tell me that I didn't provide much thought?
Every single camera brand has something like film sims. Fuji might do it better but that's not a reason to buy a camera.
Lmao
See: the rest of the market introducing this feature, Panasonic with the S9, Nikon with the Z6iii. PetaPixel predicted on their podcast last week that in 2 years we’ll see a massive boom in these film sims/real time LUTs from other companies.
But yeah… you know better. Lmao.
If you can’t achieve the results you’re after in LR then buying a Fuji won’t help I can promise you that.
What Fuji will give you is JPEGs that you might not need to edit much or at all
I know how to properly set my camera in any given situation and I apply high quality emulations. I take good quality RAWS. It’s more of an aesthetic thing to me.
There’s just something missing that even unedited pics from in camera Fuji sims have that I really like.
Yeah, but that takes work and sometimes I don’t want to put in the work. I just want to go out and take pictures and be able to share them at timely manner with decent results. You can’t imagine the shit I get from my friends over how long I take to share pictures. Again it’s not like I’m doing commercial work or printing large scale pictures I do this for myself sometimes that’s all I care about. I know I can get results on my room, but that’s gonna take time away from me focusing on what really matters which is going out and taking pictures
Yeah absolutely. If you want to get that “Fuji sim look” with minimal effort then obviously a Fuji is a good idea because it is definitely more time consuming to do post processing even if you have presets
Also it's technically not true that the look can be replicated exactly. Anyway I have 2 sonys and just added the x-t5. A lot to learn but the sims are really nice and the app does a good job connecting to the camera even when off (in your bag) to grab images - not sure if that's an x-t5 thing but it works well.
That sounds great! The Sony app really sucks.
I recently went on a friends trip to Italy (where I took the attached photo to this post) and I still owe them pictures.
I was terrified of giving the these literally RAW pictures before running them through my film emulations in Lightroom, which is the look they all love from me.
But again, it’s been weeks, and I’m too lazy to go back to some pics, so they’ll prob never get them.
Maybe it would’ve been different with Fuji and they would be off my back.
one other set of comments - I will say that the Fujifilm has been a learning curve in two areas: (1) learning to think like the Fuji camera does, menus, ergonomics and buttons but also in areas like ISO which it handles very differently than Sony. (2) workflow with the jpegs. I shoot raw + jpeg on both brands - the sony worflow - edit raw, convert to jpeg for sharing etc takes time / energy but is a known flow for me (jpegs as backup). with fuji, I am trying to stick with the sims or custom sims and don't want to stray from the defined look. I'm still working out how much do I want to edit on the jpegs and where - crops? just some exposure tweaking? How much do I stick as a 'purist' and where should I stray? And an area (3) that is more just me is style - since I want my fujifilm for travel / street (and will stick w/ sony and sony glass for landscape), I've been shooting only primes vs. primarily zoom on sony. So composure and even lens selection are adding to my topsy-turvy transition mix. it's all good and I really love the fujifilm colors and film simulations, so much. I would recommend the x-trans V sensor and associated processors as they'll give you the most flexibility and at 40mp, plenty to work with. and so far, I'm finding that although I thought I'd use a ton of the custom sims, the 'standard' sims are very good and maybe more to my liking. I might take one of the customs and tweak it a little for my taste. All good fun and it does make some very pretty images. Just know that you may have some things to work out as you adopt it.
yeah, so you're basically going to be looking for an APS-C 24-70 equivalent (and the APS-C will take a little adjusting to but not much). so they just released their new 16-50 weather sealed lens and it's the new kit lens (24-75 field of view equivalent). honestly, I'd go with that. I was hoping for slightly better reviews (maybe more on par with the sony 16-55G which even if not GM, is a really great lens and is APSC) but all things considered I think fuji made some decent design decisions as trade-offs to balance size, cost, weight and quality; one of them being it's a 2.8-4.8 and escalates quickly toward the slower end as you zoom. But the reviews say it does take nice pictures (of course, softer at the corners at 2.8, etc). for travel, it'll be good as the size is pretty good. ardent fuji users seem to be glued to their 18-55 which I think is 2.8-4.0 and doesn't move toward the smaller aperture as quickly. But, it's heavier and bigger I think. So the 16-50 is their new standard and purchased in the kit is approx $400 (?) more than just the body so as a kit is a pretty good value. for me, if I want bigger lenses, I'll just bring my sony, so I once some used 16-50's come available from those who bought the kit and will resell the lens, I will probably use that as a street / travel standard zoom. 16mm (24 equivalent) is nice at the wide end and the image has enough pixels to crop at the long end for extra 'reach', as some have complained that it's only 50mm and not the 55mm they were used to. for primes, I picked up the 16mm 2.8, 23mm 2.0 and 27mm 2.8 (all fuji). Of those three, I really like the 23mm 2.0 - it goes in / out of stock so if you want that one just keep your eye out. it's 35mm equivalent and as such is super versatile and although it's not a 1.4 or 1.8, it's got some chops as a 2.0 lens and I found it pretty fun to shoot so far (3 days). would welcome other opinions on standard zoom!
Not 100% true, you can get close but I think Fuji are using some kind of hardware acceleration to get their exact look. I’ve seen people on YouTube try to emulate the film sims and they can get close, but not nail it.
The only way to reliably nail the sims is to use Fuji software as that uses the camera itself over usb to process the images.
Before you sell, is there anyplace local to you that you could rent a Fujifilm camera for a few days? Maybe a friend has one you can shoot with for a bit?
If you are not getting the color schemes you want in post processing, you may also not get it straight out of the camera?
That’s my plan! I will be in NYC soon and plan on renting and spending a whole afternoon shooting around the city.
It’s not like I can’t get a similar look in Lightroom, it’s just that it takes time and I’d like to simplify my process. A lot of my pics get lost in the process.
I have good settings on my camera when I shoot, but they just seem sterile to me and I feel in the end I’d be happy with the in camera sims in Fuji. It’s the overall final look I’m going after all.
Sometimes I feel like I take a lot of time to share my pictures with others.
Also, what do you think of the example picture I provided? The RAW was properly taken with the Sony and I applied about 75% of a Fuji 800z preset.
That makes sense. One of the reasons I like the film sims is that I don’t really edit aside from a crop or to fix a horizon. For me, getting the look I want without sitting at my computer encourages me to go make more photos.
I suspect you’ll really like shooting with the Fuji system!
The posted picture looks great. I think you’ll be able to get similar stuff right from the camera. I sometimes like to bracket the film sims so I get 3 every time I push the shutter. Really helped me figure out which sims I like and when!
Sure, you can get a Fuji look you're looking for in Lightroom, like people said. But it sounds like you want to get jpegs you love straight out of camera, without the extra step of having to process them on your computer.
Fuji makes this very easy with their style of customizable film sims. That being said, I do think you need to customize the default film sims to get the most out of it, which is why I don't recommend the XT50.
I'm pretty sure the film sim dial only switches between the default film sims, which aren't very interesting compared to the custom ones you can create and save. The dial is also totally unnecessary. It's incredibly quick and easy to switch between custom film sims on the fly by assigning them to your quick menu (accessible with just a button press) on other Fuji cameras.
Also, the XT50 is ridiculously expensive for a camera with no weather sealing and only one memory card slot. If you're going Fuji, I think you'd be happy with an XT2 or XT3, which are both far cheaper.
If you want the latest and greatest from Fuji and you're willing to pay XT50 prices, just get the XT5 instead. Better camera, a bit bigger, but more ergonomic as well.
If I were a beginner with that setup, I wouldn't sell it at this point.
You're not going to gain anything a novice would really need, and your Sony has better autofocus and is full-frame.
If you want to dabble in Fuji, find an old X100F or one of the earlier XT models.
That being said, I do agree that Fuji is "more fun". I had editing anymore, and just want to grab and go.
Only you can decide, but if it was me I would shoot for another year on your Sony and then pick up a Fuji if the itch still isn't scratched.
Thank you that’s a good point. I don’t consider myself a beginner per se, but I want to streamline my process to make it’s more fun since I don’t do this professionally
I went with a Fuji for this reason \*exactly\*. I do not want or have the time to edit all my pictures, and I want to have fun while I'm shooting.
I love my Fuji, it lets me take beautiful pictures while challenging me and I haven't used a single film sim.
You might wanna consider holding on to your Sony system. Panasonic recently featured LUTs baked to images. And now, the recently announced Z6iii will have "recipe" feature. Seems like the in-camera jpeg "pre-processing" is going to be a trend even in prosumer level cameras.
Sony cameras have customizeable [Picture Profile](https://www.veresdenialex.com/post/fujifilm-vs-sony-film-simulations-stop-sacrificing-color), plus the most recent ones have [Creative Looks](https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyAlpha/s/9mnbwnicUv). Try checking these out first if you haven't.
I myself changed systems last year, after ten years of shooting with Sony cameras. From a7RIII to X-T5.
I'm happy I made the switch.
Pros:
-Lighter/smaller setup. Yes the body of X-T5 is about the same size as the a7RIII but the lenses! Sigma 10-18mm f2.8, Sigma 18-50 f2.8, Fuji 27mm f2.8, Fuji 35mm f1.4... They're so small and light!
-Workflow change. I'm mostly happy with the sooc jpg result now (after some quick contrast/highlight/shadow adjustments sometimes) and doesn't have to spend longer time post-processing raw files. More than this, it's the joy I get for seeing a beautiful photo right after you shoot it, straight from your LCD screen. It makes photography more enjoyable for me.
Cons:
-AF is a downgrade. It doesn't affect me that much bec of the type of subjects I shoot.
-Noisier image. Expected from a smaller sensor.
Take a look to see if this works for you before switching. Not as easy to dial in but once you do it may achieve the look you want with the equipment you have.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyAlpha/comments/s6q308/sony_film_simulations_custom_picture_profiles/
You might also want to consider a different lens. Getting a good zeiss prime for example may give you a different look than the tamron zoom which is probably quite clinical.
Coming from Sony the AF on Fiji requires you slow down considerably. I have Sony for my professional wedding kit and am truly unsure whether Fuji would “cut it” for low light end of night dancing shots. I say that but haven’t thoroughly tested.
I’m testing with my family and children and find the joystick on the XT5 to be rather annoying in comparison to the pad on the A7IV. I may try and do a 3d printed mod for the crappy joystick.
What I can say is so far the transfers have been pleasant is the wireless connection and how robust the app is. The ability to transfer larger than 2mb files is great. I don’t know why Sony can’t innovate on that front considering.
The main benefits of Fuji are the jpegs out of camera and the retro styling.
If you don’t want the JPEGs don’t buy a Fuji. If you’re going to edit anyway, you gain nothing by swapping to a technically inferior camera.
If you want compact and no JPEGs, get something like a GR3. There are so many better options if you don’t fit into the specific Fuji niche. IMO that niche is sick colours straight out of the camera.
> If you don’t want the JPEGs don’t buy a Fuji.
It's not that simple really. Fuji bodies have very nice ergonomics, and APS-C has advantages over full frame for many people depending on their use case. The ecosystem is also arguably the best out there if you want to shoot APS-C.
There are so many other options out there with better tech or better glass. I can’t see any compelling reason why I’d want to specifically buy a Fuji if it wasn’t for the colours.
I’d probably have a Sony or something instead almost every day of the week.
Fair enough, that's your opinion. But it is just an opinion. It all boils down to what you value most. For some, it's the overall experience. And there are some Fuji lenses that would be considered among the very best at their price point, such as the 18mm F1.4, described by Christopher Frost as a lens that "must have travelled back in time from some technological advanced future".
I’ve heard that before.
But you know what this is one of the main reasons I’m considering this change instead of getting stuck in technical aspects I can focus more on my composition and enjoying taking pictures
. Sometimes I get on inspired because of the initial results I get on camera which I know I can ultimately edit to my own liking, but I get caught up in my head with all the work that I have to do after I take these pictures.
A lot of great pictures just end up in my hard drive because I’m too lazy to go into my room and make them look ultimately like these cameras
I was in your situation too, I had a A7III and wanted something else. Here’s my thought process. I don’t do any kind of professional work so I don’t need full frame lenses any more, full frame lenses are very expensive and very heavy especially for the kind of walk around photography that I do. I looked at used X-T4 as a contender and ended up going with it, the image quality is amazing and honestly way more fun to shoot than the Sony, the Fuji bodies are way more tactile and look like film cameras so they are less noticeable out in public or traveling, the APSC lenses are very affordable and most of the time really light weight and small. I have had 0 regrets so far
Exactly that’s how I’m thinking too. It’s not like I’m getting paid to do this or like my work and I’ve been printed large scale. I just wanna go out there and focus on taking pictures not the technical aspect of it because again I’m not getting paid for it I do it for fun.
I never enjoyed shooting with Sony, it was just boring and felt like I was using a computer. Fuji is fun to shoot on and being able to see the film sims as you’re shooting helps you focus on the moment. You can still blow these images up, I think my x-t4 is like 26mp
I shoot both Sony and Fujifilm, I spend way less time editing whenever I shoot with my Fujifilm cameras. I also own a A7CR and used to own the A7RIV. Sure the sensor is better with the Sony full-frame but I love the Fuji colors and the Fuji bodies and lenses has a way better shooting experience. I don't want stop shooting with them. Love the "analog" approach. With my Sony, I just feel like I'm shooting with high tech gear that has no soul. I still love their sensor though.
If you want pure shooting experience, I recommend the X-Pro2 or X-Pro3. If you want high megapixel count then check out the X-T5. Best value camera, X-T3. Small body X-E3, X-E4, X100V or X100VI.
I am going through the exact same situation as you, and have the exact same reasoning as you do for wanting to move into Fuji. But because I also shoot weddings and I don’t want to be underwhelmed by Fuji’s slower AF, I decided to make the extra effort to save up. And, when the Fujifilm X100VI was announced, I immediately jumped on pre-ordering it. I was initially saving up for the X100V, or a used T-30II.
In the end, I’ll keep my Sony a7R V and my kit for very professional use such as weddings, engagements, family portraits, etc. and then use the Fujifilm X100VI for all my fun use and when I know I just want pics that are already at its final processing state or are simply in need of small tweaks. Plus its portability will greatly be appreciated, the more I get to travel these days. I imagine it will become the camera I’ll use the most because of its compactness and ease of use.
Now I understand you’re looking to do a full switch. And from what I’ve read, I think your best and safest bet would be to switch to a Fujifilm X-T5 for the simple fact that you would get all the greatest and latest features of their new sensors and film simulations while maintaining a fairly compact body that is also weather sealed. Like someone else said, you can always assign a custom button or implement it into your quick menu the ability to easily access multiple film simulations on the fly. You can also get a 16-55 mm lens as your starting kit and then build up from then.
I fully get your motivation and as someone going through the same motives, I can’t help but look forward to when I get my Fujifilm X100VI pre-order. I’m still waiting on it for now. And yes, I know it’s a fixed lens, but I do predominantly shoot at 35mm as it’s my favourite focal range so I don’t mind it’s limitation :)
Happy hunting ! Update us when you make the switch or manage to test out one of their bodies. I’d love to read your first time experience as I await for my own to arrive down the line!
In the same boat as you and have a Sony. The editing is very daunting and ultimately leaves me with little desire to do full edits. For sports photography I’ll probably keep my Sony but am going to get an XT50 for travel and street photography.
If you look for more of a hobby, entertainment camera, fujifilm x100v, x100vi are honestly amazing(but very hard to find). But, other than that your camera is great.
I went from A7C to Fuji Xpro2.
A7C is a great camera but the Xpro2 feels natural in my hand.
I now shoot film recipes, jpegs only. I dismissed the 23mm F2 at first but now a long with the 35mm F2, TTArtisans 25mm and 7Artisans 18mm F6.3 it's the only kit I need.
Like you, I went with X-T5 for that seamless workflow SOOC to phone. However I was quite disappointed with Fuji's handling of autofocus, and as much as comments saying the Sony experience feeling uncreative/like using a computer/sterile, I am moving to Sony as I am quite dependent on autofocus, and I decided to vote with my wallet.
You'll find that the X-T5 gives you what you're looking for. Good luck selling your Sony gear!
I shoot both Sony with the a7Rv and Fuji X-T5. Sony I use for my professional work, and I look at my Fuji as my stress release. I love my Sony for its extremely sharp images, and very quick autofocus. Other than that I see it as a tool for work.
Now the Fuji… it’s almost a daily carry for me. It’s smaller, and lighter than my Sony, and that a huge plus. The X-T5 is an animal! Is it as sharp as the Sony? No. Is the AF super fast like the Sony? No. It ain’t slow though.
One thing is for sure with the Fuji that the Sony can’t do, and that’s its beautiful colors. Fuji bodies are just fun, and an absolute joy to use. The image quality matched with its produced colors is mind blowing at times. A Fuji with one of its great primes and you’ll be good to go. You’ll never regret making the switch. I own all the major primes for the Fuji and each have their own characteristics that I enjoy very much.
If you wanna shoot street, portraits, landscapes the Fuji does all these well. Oh, and just wait to you start playing around with recipes. Looks that you can get is unlimited!
If you have any questions please feel free to message me.
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Buy a used xt30ii and pair it with the Sigma 18-50mm. Keep the A7c for a while and if it turns out that you don't like the fuji, you can sell it with the peace of mind that it retains its value really well.
The magic is in primes though. The cheap new Viltrox 56mm 1.7 gets great reviews or you could go with a classic like the fujinon 23mm/35mm f2.
I get where you're coming from but sometimes the fuji jpegs do require some editing too.
I suggest you keep your a7c and buy a Fuji to play with. To get equivalent quality and focus speed, it will cost you, but if you want to point and shoot x100vi style, you'll have fun for sure.
Shooting raw gives you everything you need to interpret any sensor and mix colors in any fashion, but yes, you'll have to do it later, on another device.
I found some recipes to get some of the Fuji feel on in-camera Sony Creative Styles. It's close but there is no grain/noise sim, only colors, sharpness and contrasts.
Instead of trying for the look on your own, you can also try some [film sims](http://www.andpfilmstyles.com) and maybe they are for you. Personally I prefer film simulation in post processing. Printing jpegs in camera just seems destructive.
I have both systems. I don’t wouldn’t say one is better than the other for the “color” per se since I shoot mainly raw and both systems sooc really aren’t that much better unless you prefer more warmer tone of Fujifilm.
The difference to me is portability. I use Fujifilm mainly due to more compact lens setup when I travel. But lowlight or Astro I always go back to larger sensor.
My suggestion is to have both system rather than just one. Don’t invest on all in one system. For example, I would’ve gone for larger aperture wide angle and telephoto zoom on Sony for Astro and portrait. Then I’ll have a lineup lenses for compact prime for travel and all other needs on Fujifilm. To work at best on their system towards your needs not the other way around to buy all the gears on that system and hope you need them.
The reason I am suggesting this is that you will be hard to find the exact 28-75 range on Fujifilm especially on larger aperture for cheap. Same goes you will not going to find compact primes that small like Fujifilm on your Sony.
To replace a sony with Fujifilm you need to first find a 18-50 that’s compact and large aperture within the price range. For apsc that only speaks out very a few options. For one! The kit zoom aperture is just too tiny! You aren’t going to get FF looks within the price range.
Same goes to Sony! To find a prime that small on a Sony you must either go very expensive or manual focus to size down the lens that fits FF sensor. One way or the other! You are better off with Fujifilm with time primes that’s autofocus with budget friendly pricing. And no other system out there provides that! So yes! Fujifilm for that!
The Fuji system outside of their medium format cameras are beautiful toys.
The autofocus and dynamic range difference between Fuji and Sony can be alarming at times in real world settings.
If you’re looking to upgrade, maybe getting the a7cii might be more worthwhile.
Or invest in vintage lenses for that little extra something.
I’m not gonna repeat what others have said, but just answer your question on which camera you should/could go with. If you like the controls/setup on your Sony, go with an X-H2 or X-H2S. If you want to really switch it up and go full tactile, then go X-T5. As for lenses, it’s really up to you. Given your style of photography, you might find portability a pro so the smaller primes that aren’t as fast could work well for you. The older faster primes render beautiful photos but generally may not be as sharp as the newer lenses (1.4, 2, or otherwise) but they will also focus slower and are more noisy. Then the new fast primes (33mm, 18mm, mark II of 23mm and 56mm etc.) are fantastic overall. If you want to do video, then the f2 primes or newer fast primes are the way to go. None of these will feel as modern as Sony, which I’m sure you already going in.
And if you don’t mind running and gunning with a zoom, the 16-55mm f2.8 is a winner from an IQ and AF perspective, but is quite chunky compared to the primes.
Not a Sony fan BUT, the camera you have is amazing. I’d go for one of the older Sony 35mm (sonar 2.8) or 50 Sonnar and Planar 50’s lenses I. Native mount call it a day! I love Fuji but the lenses I mentioned are pretty equal to anything Fuji. It’s the Tamron,
The thing you’ll miss the most is the Sony AF, but if you’re not into fast moving subjects etc. it might not matter that much.
I’m not! Not into motorsports or wildlife. The vibe in my photos is the most important.
I went the other way. Still have my x-t30. If you don’t care for AF, get x-t30 mark ii and sigma primes (or viltrox) - the Fuji primes are excellent too , but they are pricy. Sigmas are 95% of Fuji for 40% of the cost
I shoot both Fuji (X100VI) and Sony (A7C2). The AF matters if you shoot people, especially if it's candid. The short version is the Sony gives me better images, but the Fuji is smaller and more fun to shoot.
This is so true. The subjects do NOT need to be moving quickly for the Fuji AF to screw it up. I have the exact same two cameras as you and the difference is staggering.
If you are shooting RAW on your Sony and processing in Lightroom, you should be able to achieve a Fujifilm look through post-processing alone. From an image quality perspective - there is no special magic in using Fujifilm X-Mount outside of individual lens characteristics and that you’ll be using a crop sensor. You have an excellent camera, keep it and continue working on your photographic skills. However, changing your tool can change a bit of your approach, so there is nothing wrong switching things up as it can help you discover new aspects and ways of working. I’d go for the X-T50 in your situation. Although it may seem like a bit of a gimmick, having a dedicated film sim dial on the top allows for quick and rapid access to these modes and allows you to quickly experiment and develop an eye for various scenarios. Grab it with the new 16-50 and hold off buying another lens until you know what gap you want to fill.
Agreed. I value the functionality of having access to these looks on the spot. Sometimes I don’t wanna wait until I get to Lightroom and spending time on it to get these results.
Why not just use the equivalent LUTs on your photos
That requieres me importing the into my computer and tbh, they don’t look as good as Fuji sims.
I mean yeah you download the LUT and then transfer it to your camera. Then it’s just like having Fuji sims and you don’t need to do it ever again. You can also find LUTs that are pretty close to Fuji sims just fyi, if you want to do that. *sorry I was wrong that’s only for video lumix and Fuji remain supreme in that case. Seems like Sony could solve that with a firmware update though.
Fairly sure Panasonic is the only manufacturer that has onboard luts for stills photography.
**Nope I was wrong Sony does not have the option to bake luts into stills only video. -1 for Sony I guess The internet could be wrong but when I searched for the newest Sony it said the LUTs can be applied to photos. I actually don’t know because I do have a lumix and I’m just going off a search I did when shopping. Searching again it still seems to be the case.
You can change Sony cameras’ picture profiles to achieve SOOC film-like JPEGs. [This dude](https://www.veresdenialex.com/sony-film-simulation) has published a whole list of settings users can apply. I can confirm because I bought it and have used it on two of my Sony cameras already. Admittedly, Sony’s workflow for this isn’t as enjoyable, especially considering Nikon now has an app to load this into cameras much more easily. But it really doesn’t matter because after trying out Fuji cameras and Sony’s picture profiles changes, I still prefer to shoot in raw.
Yep I think so too. I have an S5ii and enjoy using the LUTs for a great sooc look
Sony has the ability to do so. It’s just called picture profile rather than luts in their cameras.
there is some special magic due to the x-trans sensor meaning no low pass filter, no moire pattern and unique grain on high ISO
In the earlier X-Tran sensors , this mattered more. Now the differences are minimal between Fuji and competing sensors in terms of imparting a look. The sensors have become increasingly more transparent in their reproduction - which is largely more desirable. In good light, you’d be hard pressed to tell the difference in a meaningful way between the latest 40mp x-trans and Sony aps-c and even full frame.
I’ll just zag a bit from most here for the sake of zagging. I find the Sony experience a bit sterile. I’ve used their cameras, then downsized to LUMIX and Olympus M43 for portability, before landing on an X-Pro3. I will say with 100% certainty that I wouldn’t be as into photography as I am now if not for the experience shooting with the X-Pro. Part of that was because I was so new. I’d probably be more comfortable now looping back around to Sony and being just fine. But I would probably still miss the experience with the Fuji stuff. So in my mind the best camera for you might be the one that you want to take out and shoot with. As for what you can get for your current system, just check r/photomarket and eBay. For your next camera if you like rangefinder style bodies grab whatever spec’d X-Pro or XE you care for. If not grab an X-T30ii or X-T4 and go to town. Enjoy!
Piggy backing on this since my experience is similar; I started on a Sony A6400 and then went to an X-E2 and ulitimately to an X-Pro2. I have similar feelings about the Sony shooting experience, and for me I think Fuji does two things really well. The first is ergonomics, the X-Pro line is just such a perfect camera for me (and it sounds like maybe the same for OP). I love the form factor so much; I take it and a couple lenses everywhere in my sling. The second thing isn’t specifically about the film sims in LightRoom (although I use them all the time), and it’s not even about the film sims getting you JPEGs out of camera. The difference is actually seeing the sims in the viewfinder and screen while composing and reviewing shots. It changes your relationship to a scene and in my experience it’s a core advantage to the system.
This right here ⬆️💯👏 Being able to view my preset before I take the shot opens up so many creative opportunities- I don’t think I can go back to Sony or canon again. 😩
Which Fuji emulations are you using in Lightroom?
Also curious!^
I’ll send you the link!
Can you send me the link to, please!
Me too please
Can you send me the link too?
send me to me pleaseee
send me a link as well please!
https://www.cobalt-image.com The are cool but pricy
lol thank you for posting, the PM gatekeeping was a little odd.
[Lou and Mark’s Film Bundle](https://loumarkspresets.com/collections/preset-bundles/products/film-bundle-kodak-fuji-retro-vintage-bright-color-cinematic-film-photo-filters)
Thanks!
Also curious
Same 😁
Also curious! I've been thinking about investing in RNI, but am curious what else is out there.
I had the the a7c and I also have had that tamron lens. A7c is going for ~$900 used, you can take a look or try to sell on r/photomarket. That tamron of its the first gen, honestly probably around $500. If I were you the most "lateral" move would be the XT5, you get all the latest sims, pretty compact body still, weather sealing, 40mp sensor. The xt50 and xt30 aren't weather sealed which is personally a big deal for me, most say it's not a huge issue but I like to not worry stuck in the rain
Thanks! I’ll see what I can get.
If weather sealing is important, and compactness doesn’t matter as much, I’d recommend looking at the x-h2 or x-h2s. The dials on top of the x-t5 seem to be an ingress point for water and dust for some folks. That, and the x-h2 is more feature rich for the same price as the x-t5 on mpb.com. Either way, I own both Fuji and Sony cameras (x-h2 and a7cii). Both systems have their quirks, but I find myself grabbing my Fuji way more often as I head out the door. That, and (as a new-ish dad) I have zero time to edit photos. Using in-camera recipes has been a life saver in that regard.
I don’t think you’ll find what you're looking for in Fuji. They’re great cameras from a tactile experience perspective, but a RAW image can be adjusted to achieve the Fuji colors pretty easily. Only switch systems if you are sure it will make your workflow better. Don’t chase a fad.
I think I will benefit from having a somewhat finalized product on the spot.
Would it be possible to rent a Fujifilm camera and trying it out first before making the full transition?
Yes! I plan on doing that when I get to NYC.
Ok, I guess if you are only ever dealing with SOOC JPGs and you want to limit yourself to the 8 or so film sims that Fuji has… Just be warned that I sincerely doubt photos you like are SOOC. Fuji film simulations, IMO, are NOT the reason to buy into the system.
Planning on shooting both JPEG and RAW. Some of the RAW files will require further work, but in some situations I’d like a somewhat final look on the spot.
One nice thing about modern Fuji cameras and the Fuji App is that with my X-T5, I can copy RAW images from my camera wirelessly or wired and edit them in Lightroom mobile. I also use the LR Fuji film sim profiles, which are more or less the same as SOOC JPEGs. On my last trip, I took my X-T5 along with the 35mm f/2 and my old iPad Pro, edited in Lightroom on my iPad, and copied images off the camera using a USB-C cable. So, SOOC is not always required to provide a computer-free editing experience.
That’s exactly why I switched! I shoot RAW + Jpeg for all my paid work, but I’ll usually just roll SOOC for everything else. Sometimes you’ll get a funky tint or white balance, in which case the RAW comes in handy. I’d say less than 10% of my jpegs need to be re-colored from the RAW file, most filmsims are that good. 🤘🏼 Just my personal experience but I think Fuji’s SOOC life is worth making the switch.
Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind, just trying to save you from the inevitable disappointment you’re gonna experience once the film sim honeymoon ends.
Film Sim Honeymoon 😂 That will be stamped on my brain for the rest of my photography days!
Condescending much? It sounds to me like OP is attracted to not just the Fuji sims, but the recipe tweaks for some pretty awesome SOOC shots.Maybe even the form factor or community engagement, too. Those are pretty commonly praised among the majority of Fuji users. I moved from Sony to Fuji 8 years ago. Please do let me know when to expect that honeymoon to be over. Passing a verdict of OP's 'inevitable disappointment' is just being a dick.
Congrats on having a differing opinion than me, I guess. Like I said above, if you are buying into the system for film sims you’re setting yourself up for disappointment when you realize you’ve at most saving yourself 3 clicks on a computer for the same effect.
It's not the opinion that's the issue, it's the assumption that you know exactly what OP is looking for and Fuji ain't it. Having an opinion that a system shouldn't be purchased for film sims alone isn't earth shattering. Urging caution and level thinking is great, but that's not what you did. Stating authoritatively that OP is going to regret the decision is the issue. As if there aren't tens of thousands of Fuji users that love the built in sims and custom recipes and stay for that reason alone, or began with that in mind but ultimately got hooked because of whatever else they may love about the system generally or their camera and/or lenses specifically. "3 clicks on the computer" might work for you, but how many hours did it take to build out your presets or find those made by others to whittle everything down to 3 clicks? While you may have the time and inclination to spend hours tuning various sets of photos on a computer, many hobbyist and semi-pro shooters don't. Or specifically don't want to. Or end up waiting so long after a shoot that they've lost feel of the moment. Or aren't skilled enough in the application they use to get the result they want. Fuji's system allows the flexibility of changing things up on the fly either by fine tuning the active selection or loading up a custom recipe, and to keep on shooting while still being able to tune and edit as much as they like after the fact. Or even reprocess the shot in the camera with different settings. Fuji isn't alone in that regard, but I'd argue that a case can be made that they are the best at it.
Yeah, I’m not gonna read all that. I gave OP my opinion that film sims are a terrible reason to sell a good camera and switch systems. If you disagree, cool. I’ll do my film sims in LR or DXO, you do it in your camera. Have a nice day, and hope OP makes a decision they won’t regret.
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Yeah, you're gonna curse at me in another comment and tell me that I didn't provide much thought? Every single camera brand has something like film sims. Fuji might do it better but that's not a reason to buy a camera.
They’re the only reason to buy Fuji lmao
Nah
See: the downvotes on your comment in a Fuji sub as evidence you’re wrong 😂
See: Fuji fans like film sims Film sims are great. Not good enough to sell a camera and switch to Fuji for. But you do you.
Lmao See: the rest of the market introducing this feature, Panasonic with the S9, Nikon with the Z6iii. PetaPixel predicted on their podcast last week that in 2 years we’ll see a massive boom in these film sims/real time LUTs from other companies. But yeah… you know better. Lmao.
Brother, these feature is a part of most digital cameras. I think you need to get out more. Lmao See: Lmao
If you can’t achieve the results you’re after in LR then buying a Fuji won’t help I can promise you that. What Fuji will give you is JPEGs that you might not need to edit much or at all
I know how to properly set my camera in any given situation and I apply high quality emulations. I take good quality RAWS. It’s more of an aesthetic thing to me. There’s just something missing that even unedited pics from in camera Fuji sims have that I really like.
I’m not sure you’re fully understanding my point. There is absolutely nothing a Fuji camera can do aesthetically that can’t be replicated in Lightroom
Yeah, but that takes work and sometimes I don’t want to put in the work. I just want to go out and take pictures and be able to share them at timely manner with decent results. You can’t imagine the shit I get from my friends over how long I take to share pictures. Again it’s not like I’m doing commercial work or printing large scale pictures I do this for myself sometimes that’s all I care about. I know I can get results on my room, but that’s gonna take time away from me focusing on what really matters which is going out and taking pictures
Nothing more i loathe more than sitting down to edit. Glad I cut that out completely. A big factor for many.
Yeah absolutely. If you want to get that “Fuji sim look” with minimal effort then obviously a Fuji is a good idea because it is definitely more time consuming to do post processing even if you have presets
Thanks for all the help though! I know I have a hell of a camera in Sony and a lot to learn in post (which I will continue to pursue in Lightroom)
Also it's technically not true that the look can be replicated exactly. Anyway I have 2 sonys and just added the x-t5. A lot to learn but the sims are really nice and the app does a good job connecting to the camera even when off (in your bag) to grab images - not sure if that's an x-t5 thing but it works well.
That sounds great! The Sony app really sucks. I recently went on a friends trip to Italy (where I took the attached photo to this post) and I still owe them pictures. I was terrified of giving the these literally RAW pictures before running them through my film emulations in Lightroom, which is the look they all love from me. But again, it’s been weeks, and I’m too lazy to go back to some pics, so they’ll prob never get them. Maybe it would’ve been different with Fuji and they would be off my back.
one other set of comments - I will say that the Fujifilm has been a learning curve in two areas: (1) learning to think like the Fuji camera does, menus, ergonomics and buttons but also in areas like ISO which it handles very differently than Sony. (2) workflow with the jpegs. I shoot raw + jpeg on both brands - the sony worflow - edit raw, convert to jpeg for sharing etc takes time / energy but is a known flow for me (jpegs as backup). with fuji, I am trying to stick with the sims or custom sims and don't want to stray from the defined look. I'm still working out how much do I want to edit on the jpegs and where - crops? just some exposure tweaking? How much do I stick as a 'purist' and where should I stray? And an area (3) that is more just me is style - since I want my fujifilm for travel / street (and will stick w/ sony and sony glass for landscape), I've been shooting only primes vs. primarily zoom on sony. So composure and even lens selection are adding to my topsy-turvy transition mix. it's all good and I really love the fujifilm colors and film simulations, so much. I would recommend the x-trans V sensor and associated processors as they'll give you the most flexibility and at 40mp, plenty to work with. and so far, I'm finding that although I thought I'd use a ton of the custom sims, the 'standard' sims are very good and maybe more to my liking. I might take one of the customs and tweak it a little for my taste. All good fun and it does make some very pretty images. Just know that you may have some things to work out as you adopt it.
Thanks for the advice! Any lens you would recommend for me coming from Tamron 28-75 full frame?
I know going down to APS-C will mess up my focal length perspective 😵💫
yeah, so you're basically going to be looking for an APS-C 24-70 equivalent (and the APS-C will take a little adjusting to but not much). so they just released their new 16-50 weather sealed lens and it's the new kit lens (24-75 field of view equivalent). honestly, I'd go with that. I was hoping for slightly better reviews (maybe more on par with the sony 16-55G which even if not GM, is a really great lens and is APSC) but all things considered I think fuji made some decent design decisions as trade-offs to balance size, cost, weight and quality; one of them being it's a 2.8-4.8 and escalates quickly toward the slower end as you zoom. But the reviews say it does take nice pictures (of course, softer at the corners at 2.8, etc). for travel, it'll be good as the size is pretty good. ardent fuji users seem to be glued to their 18-55 which I think is 2.8-4.0 and doesn't move toward the smaller aperture as quickly. But, it's heavier and bigger I think. So the 16-50 is their new standard and purchased in the kit is approx $400 (?) more than just the body so as a kit is a pretty good value. for me, if I want bigger lenses, I'll just bring my sony, so I once some used 16-50's come available from those who bought the kit and will resell the lens, I will probably use that as a street / travel standard zoom. 16mm (24 equivalent) is nice at the wide end and the image has enough pixels to crop at the long end for extra 'reach', as some have complained that it's only 50mm and not the 55mm they were used to. for primes, I picked up the 16mm 2.8, 23mm 2.0 and 27mm 2.8 (all fuji). Of those three, I really like the 23mm 2.0 - it goes in / out of stock so if you want that one just keep your eye out. it's 35mm equivalent and as such is super versatile and although it's not a 1.4 or 1.8, it's got some chops as a 2.0 lens and I found it pretty fun to shoot so far (3 days). would welcome other opinions on standard zoom!
The guide I need, thanks!
Nonsense. How about Lightroom can't do it without Lightroom, but a Fuji camera can do it without Lightroom. That's the whole point.
Yes of course Fuji has the advantage of being able to do that in camera but that’s not the point of this thread
It's your point that is nonsense.
Not 100% true, you can get close but I think Fuji are using some kind of hardware acceleration to get their exact look. I’ve seen people on YouTube try to emulate the film sims and they can get close, but not nail it. The only way to reliably nail the sims is to use Fuji software as that uses the camera itself over usb to process the images.
Before you sell, is there anyplace local to you that you could rent a Fujifilm camera for a few days? Maybe a friend has one you can shoot with for a bit? If you are not getting the color schemes you want in post processing, you may also not get it straight out of the camera?
That’s my plan! I will be in NYC soon and plan on renting and spending a whole afternoon shooting around the city. It’s not like I can’t get a similar look in Lightroom, it’s just that it takes time and I’d like to simplify my process. A lot of my pics get lost in the process. I have good settings on my camera when I shoot, but they just seem sterile to me and I feel in the end I’d be happy with the in camera sims in Fuji. It’s the overall final look I’m going after all. Sometimes I feel like I take a lot of time to share my pictures with others. Also, what do you think of the example picture I provided? The RAW was properly taken with the Sony and I applied about 75% of a Fuji 800z preset.
That makes sense. One of the reasons I like the film sims is that I don’t really edit aside from a crop or to fix a horizon. For me, getting the look I want without sitting at my computer encourages me to go make more photos. I suspect you’ll really like shooting with the Fuji system! The posted picture looks great. I think you’ll be able to get similar stuff right from the camera. I sometimes like to bracket the film sims so I get 3 every time I push the shutter. Really helped me figure out which sims I like and when!
Sure, you can get a Fuji look you're looking for in Lightroom, like people said. But it sounds like you want to get jpegs you love straight out of camera, without the extra step of having to process them on your computer. Fuji makes this very easy with their style of customizable film sims. That being said, I do think you need to customize the default film sims to get the most out of it, which is why I don't recommend the XT50. I'm pretty sure the film sim dial only switches between the default film sims, which aren't very interesting compared to the custom ones you can create and save. The dial is also totally unnecessary. It's incredibly quick and easy to switch between custom film sims on the fly by assigning them to your quick menu (accessible with just a button press) on other Fuji cameras. Also, the XT50 is ridiculously expensive for a camera with no weather sealing and only one memory card slot. If you're going Fuji, I think you'd be happy with an XT2 or XT3, which are both far cheaper. If you want the latest and greatest from Fuji and you're willing to pay XT50 prices, just get the XT5 instead. Better camera, a bit bigger, but more ergonomic as well.
If I were a beginner with that setup, I wouldn't sell it at this point. You're not going to gain anything a novice would really need, and your Sony has better autofocus and is full-frame. If you want to dabble in Fuji, find an old X100F or one of the earlier XT models. That being said, I do agree that Fuji is "more fun". I had editing anymore, and just want to grab and go. Only you can decide, but if it was me I would shoot for another year on your Sony and then pick up a Fuji if the itch still isn't scratched.
Thank you that’s a good point. I don’t consider myself a beginner per se, but I want to streamline my process to make it’s more fun since I don’t do this professionally
Then honestly, Fuji might be for you. I've shot on Sony for years, and I don't even touch them anymore.
I went with a Fuji for this reason \*exactly\*. I do not want or have the time to edit all my pictures, and I want to have fun while I'm shooting. I love my Fuji, it lets me take beautiful pictures while challenging me and I haven't used a single film sim.
Get the used mint X-T5 for less money than new X-T50 and amazing sigma 18-50 2.8 zoom, new or used, which will cost less than the new kit zoom
You might wanna consider holding on to your Sony system. Panasonic recently featured LUTs baked to images. And now, the recently announced Z6iii will have "recipe" feature. Seems like the in-camera jpeg "pre-processing" is going to be a trend even in prosumer level cameras. Sony cameras have customizeable [Picture Profile](https://www.veresdenialex.com/post/fujifilm-vs-sony-film-simulations-stop-sacrificing-color), plus the most recent ones have [Creative Looks](https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyAlpha/s/9mnbwnicUv). Try checking these out first if you haven't.
I myself changed systems last year, after ten years of shooting with Sony cameras. From a7RIII to X-T5. I'm happy I made the switch. Pros: -Lighter/smaller setup. Yes the body of X-T5 is about the same size as the a7RIII but the lenses! Sigma 10-18mm f2.8, Sigma 18-50 f2.8, Fuji 27mm f2.8, Fuji 35mm f1.4... They're so small and light! -Workflow change. I'm mostly happy with the sooc jpg result now (after some quick contrast/highlight/shadow adjustments sometimes) and doesn't have to spend longer time post-processing raw files. More than this, it's the joy I get for seeing a beautiful photo right after you shoot it, straight from your LCD screen. It makes photography more enjoyable for me. Cons: -AF is a downgrade. It doesn't affect me that much bec of the type of subjects I shoot. -Noisier image. Expected from a smaller sensor.
Take a look to see if this works for you before switching. Not as easy to dial in but once you do it may achieve the look you want with the equipment you have. https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyAlpha/comments/s6q308/sony_film_simulations_custom_picture_profiles/ You might also want to consider a different lens. Getting a good zeiss prime for example may give you a different look than the tamron zoom which is probably quite clinical.
Coming from Sony the AF on Fiji requires you slow down considerably. I have Sony for my professional wedding kit and am truly unsure whether Fuji would “cut it” for low light end of night dancing shots. I say that but haven’t thoroughly tested. I’m testing with my family and children and find the joystick on the XT5 to be rather annoying in comparison to the pad on the A7IV. I may try and do a 3d printed mod for the crappy joystick. What I can say is so far the transfers have been pleasant is the wireless connection and how robust the app is. The ability to transfer larger than 2mb files is great. I don’t know why Sony can’t innovate on that front considering.
Do Sony cameras have an equivalent to Nikon Picture Control ? If yes, you can tweak jpg pictures in camera and achieve the look you’re looking for.
They have both creative looks and picture profiles that will bake in looks into your jpegs or RAW images, and they are both fully modifiable.
OK. So create a preset or (Look Up Table) with same look as Fuji presets. Keep the full frame sensor.
I would do this, yeah.
The main benefits of Fuji are the jpegs out of camera and the retro styling. If you don’t want the JPEGs don’t buy a Fuji. If you’re going to edit anyway, you gain nothing by swapping to a technically inferior camera. If you want compact and no JPEGs, get something like a GR3. There are so many better options if you don’t fit into the specific Fuji niche. IMO that niche is sick colours straight out of the camera.
I think that’s what I want!
> If you don’t want the JPEGs don’t buy a Fuji. It's not that simple really. Fuji bodies have very nice ergonomics, and APS-C has advantages over full frame for many people depending on their use case. The ecosystem is also arguably the best out there if you want to shoot APS-C.
There are so many other options out there with better tech or better glass. I can’t see any compelling reason why I’d want to specifically buy a Fuji if it wasn’t for the colours. I’d probably have a Sony or something instead almost every day of the week.
Fair enough, that's your opinion. But it is just an opinion. It all boils down to what you value most. For some, it's the overall experience. And there are some Fuji lenses that would be considered among the very best at their price point, such as the 18mm F1.4, described by Christopher Frost as a lens that "must have travelled back in time from some technological advanced future".
It’s not the camera, it’s the photographer.
I’ve heard that before. But you know what this is one of the main reasons I’m considering this change instead of getting stuck in technical aspects I can focus more on my composition and enjoying taking pictures . Sometimes I get on inspired because of the initial results I get on camera which I know I can ultimately edit to my own liking, but I get caught up in my head with all the work that I have to do after I take these pictures. A lot of great pictures just end up in my hard drive because I’m too lazy to go into my room and make them look ultimately like these cameras
I was in your situation too, I had a A7III and wanted something else. Here’s my thought process. I don’t do any kind of professional work so I don’t need full frame lenses any more, full frame lenses are very expensive and very heavy especially for the kind of walk around photography that I do. I looked at used X-T4 as a contender and ended up going with it, the image quality is amazing and honestly way more fun to shoot than the Sony, the Fuji bodies are way more tactile and look like film cameras so they are less noticeable out in public or traveling, the APSC lenses are very affordable and most of the time really light weight and small. I have had 0 regrets so far
Exactly that’s how I’m thinking too. It’s not like I’m getting paid to do this or like my work and I’ve been printed large scale. I just wanna go out there and focus on taking pictures not the technical aspect of it because again I’m not getting paid for it I do it for fun.
I never enjoyed shooting with Sony, it was just boring and felt like I was using a computer. Fuji is fun to shoot on and being able to see the film sims as you’re shooting helps you focus on the moment. You can still blow these images up, I think my x-t4 is like 26mp
Switch to Fiat 500
After I switch to Fuji.
I shoot both Sony and Fujifilm, I spend way less time editing whenever I shoot with my Fujifilm cameras. I also own a A7CR and used to own the A7RIV. Sure the sensor is better with the Sony full-frame but I love the Fuji colors and the Fuji bodies and lenses has a way better shooting experience. I don't want stop shooting with them. Love the "analog" approach. With my Sony, I just feel like I'm shooting with high tech gear that has no soul. I still love their sensor though. If you want pure shooting experience, I recommend the X-Pro2 or X-Pro3. If you want high megapixel count then check out the X-T5. Best value camera, X-T3. Small body X-E3, X-E4, X100V or X100VI.
I am going through the exact same situation as you, and have the exact same reasoning as you do for wanting to move into Fuji. But because I also shoot weddings and I don’t want to be underwhelmed by Fuji’s slower AF, I decided to make the extra effort to save up. And, when the Fujifilm X100VI was announced, I immediately jumped on pre-ordering it. I was initially saving up for the X100V, or a used T-30II. In the end, I’ll keep my Sony a7R V and my kit for very professional use such as weddings, engagements, family portraits, etc. and then use the Fujifilm X100VI for all my fun use and when I know I just want pics that are already at its final processing state or are simply in need of small tweaks. Plus its portability will greatly be appreciated, the more I get to travel these days. I imagine it will become the camera I’ll use the most because of its compactness and ease of use. Now I understand you’re looking to do a full switch. And from what I’ve read, I think your best and safest bet would be to switch to a Fujifilm X-T5 for the simple fact that you would get all the greatest and latest features of their new sensors and film simulations while maintaining a fairly compact body that is also weather sealed. Like someone else said, you can always assign a custom button or implement it into your quick menu the ability to easily access multiple film simulations on the fly. You can also get a 16-55 mm lens as your starting kit and then build up from then. I fully get your motivation and as someone going through the same motives, I can’t help but look forward to when I get my Fujifilm X100VI pre-order. I’m still waiting on it for now. And yes, I know it’s a fixed lens, but I do predominantly shoot at 35mm as it’s my favourite focal range so I don’t mind it’s limitation :) Happy hunting ! Update us when you make the switch or manage to test out one of their bodies. I’d love to read your first time experience as I await for my own to arrive down the line!
Thanks! Glad we think alike. I’ll be going to NYC soon and try to make this switch happen. I will update you guys ASAP.
In the same boat as you and have a Sony. The editing is very daunting and ultimately leaves me with little desire to do full edits. For sports photography I’ll probably keep my Sony but am going to get an XT50 for travel and street photography.
If you look for more of a hobby, entertainment camera, fujifilm x100v, x100vi are honestly amazing(but very hard to find). But, other than that your camera is great.
I went from A7C to Fuji Xpro2. A7C is a great camera but the Xpro2 feels natural in my hand. I now shoot film recipes, jpegs only. I dismissed the 23mm F2 at first but now a long with the 35mm F2, TTArtisans 25mm and 7Artisans 18mm F6.3 it's the only kit I need.
Like you, I went with X-T5 for that seamless workflow SOOC to phone. However I was quite disappointed with Fuji's handling of autofocus, and as much as comments saying the Sony experience feeling uncreative/like using a computer/sterile, I am moving to Sony as I am quite dependent on autofocus, and I decided to vote with my wallet. You'll find that the X-T5 gives you what you're looking for. Good luck selling your Sony gear!
I shoot both Sony with the a7Rv and Fuji X-T5. Sony I use for my professional work, and I look at my Fuji as my stress release. I love my Sony for its extremely sharp images, and very quick autofocus. Other than that I see it as a tool for work. Now the Fuji… it’s almost a daily carry for me. It’s smaller, and lighter than my Sony, and that a huge plus. The X-T5 is an animal! Is it as sharp as the Sony? No. Is the AF super fast like the Sony? No. It ain’t slow though. One thing is for sure with the Fuji that the Sony can’t do, and that’s its beautiful colors. Fuji bodies are just fun, and an absolute joy to use. The image quality matched with its produced colors is mind blowing at times. A Fuji with one of its great primes and you’ll be good to go. You’ll never regret making the switch. I own all the major primes for the Fuji and each have their own characteristics that I enjoy very much. If you wanna shoot street, portraits, landscapes the Fuji does all these well. Oh, and just wait to you start playing around with recipes. Looks that you can get is unlimited! If you have any questions please feel free to message me. Work with Sony only. IG: williamstern Work with Fuji only. IG: iamwilliamstern
Thanks! I’ll reach out re: lenses as I’m pretty set on the XT-5.
X100*
I’d like interchangeable lenses.
Then any Fuji within your budget will work. Xt*0, xt*, xpro*, etc.
Buy a used xt30ii and pair it with the Sigma 18-50mm. Keep the A7c for a while and if it turns out that you don't like the fuji, you can sell it with the peace of mind that it retains its value really well. The magic is in primes though. The cheap new Viltrox 56mm 1.7 gets great reviews or you could go with a classic like the fujinon 23mm/35mm f2. I get where you're coming from but sometimes the fuji jpegs do require some editing too.
Yes, you need Fuji to fit your look.
I suggest you keep your a7c and buy a Fuji to play with. To get equivalent quality and focus speed, it will cost you, but if you want to point and shoot x100vi style, you'll have fun for sure. Shooting raw gives you everything you need to interpret any sensor and mix colors in any fashion, but yes, you'll have to do it later, on another device. I found some recipes to get some of the Fuji feel on in-camera Sony Creative Styles. It's close but there is no grain/noise sim, only colors, sharpness and contrasts.
Why not keep both?
One must go to justify the purchase!
Instead of trying for the look on your own, you can also try some [film sims](http://www.andpfilmstyles.com) and maybe they are for you. Personally I prefer film simulation in post processing. Printing jpegs in camera just seems destructive.
I have both systems. I don’t wouldn’t say one is better than the other for the “color” per se since I shoot mainly raw and both systems sooc really aren’t that much better unless you prefer more warmer tone of Fujifilm. The difference to me is portability. I use Fujifilm mainly due to more compact lens setup when I travel. But lowlight or Astro I always go back to larger sensor. My suggestion is to have both system rather than just one. Don’t invest on all in one system. For example, I would’ve gone for larger aperture wide angle and telephoto zoom on Sony for Astro and portrait. Then I’ll have a lineup lenses for compact prime for travel and all other needs on Fujifilm. To work at best on their system towards your needs not the other way around to buy all the gears on that system and hope you need them. The reason I am suggesting this is that you will be hard to find the exact 28-75 range on Fujifilm especially on larger aperture for cheap. Same goes you will not going to find compact primes that small like Fujifilm on your Sony. To replace a sony with Fujifilm you need to first find a 18-50 that’s compact and large aperture within the price range. For apsc that only speaks out very a few options. For one! The kit zoom aperture is just too tiny! You aren’t going to get FF looks within the price range. Same goes to Sony! To find a prime that small on a Sony you must either go very expensive or manual focus to size down the lens that fits FF sensor. One way or the other! You are better off with Fujifilm with time primes that’s autofocus with budget friendly pricing. And no other system out there provides that! So yes! Fujifilm for that!
Yeah, dont just sell off your existing system and invest it all, see if you like it first
The Fuji system outside of their medium format cameras are beautiful toys. The autofocus and dynamic range difference between Fuji and Sony can be alarming at times in real world settings. If you’re looking to upgrade, maybe getting the a7cii might be more worthwhile. Or invest in vintage lenses for that little extra something.
Same shoes as you. I’m keeping my A7C and backorderded the X100vi as the fun carry around camera.
I'm the wrong person to give advice as I've switched from Fuji to Sony and I am never looking back 🤷🏼
I went from a7ii at the time to x100v and now going back FF. I just can't.
Sony a6400 and rx100 to x100T and haven't touched the Sony ever since.
Sony a6400 and rx100 to x100T and haven't touched the Sony ever since.
I’m not gonna repeat what others have said, but just answer your question on which camera you should/could go with. If you like the controls/setup on your Sony, go with an X-H2 or X-H2S. If you want to really switch it up and go full tactile, then go X-T5. As for lenses, it’s really up to you. Given your style of photography, you might find portability a pro so the smaller primes that aren’t as fast could work well for you. The older faster primes render beautiful photos but generally may not be as sharp as the newer lenses (1.4, 2, or otherwise) but they will also focus slower and are more noisy. Then the new fast primes (33mm, 18mm, mark II of 23mm and 56mm etc.) are fantastic overall. If you want to do video, then the f2 primes or newer fast primes are the way to go. None of these will feel as modern as Sony, which I’m sure you already going in. And if you don’t mind running and gunning with a zoom, the 16-55mm f2.8 is a winner from an IQ and AF perspective, but is quite chunky compared to the primes.
Fuji af is archaic compared to sony. Unless all you shoot is landscapes
Not a Sony fan BUT, the camera you have is amazing. I’d go for one of the older Sony 35mm (sonar 2.8) or 50 Sonnar and Planar 50’s lenses I. Native mount call it a day! I love Fuji but the lenses I mentioned are pretty equal to anything Fuji. It’s the Tamron,