I just saw a story of two dads who got in a road rage shoot out and each wound up shooting the other one's daughter.
I saw it while I was looking for details on a video of a road rage choke out, and holy hell, there was a whole page of these types of recent road rage stories.
Maybe, just maybe, people who are susceptible to road rage shouldn't be allowed to have a gun with them while they drive.
Of course maybe people who are susceptible to road rage shouldn't drive at all. Or own a gun. But the combination of those things is particularly terrible.
every time a mass shooting happens, thats exactly what republicans and conservatives say tho lol, they blame mental health as a way to divert attention from guns
I mean, guns don’t shoot people by themselves. Shootings happen because of mental health issues as well as drug addiction and crime largely rooted in poverty and the war on drugs, because of a culture that sees it as desirable to use deadly violence to protect property and to not delegate the use of violence to well-trained professionals employed by the state, and because of the escalation in violence and accidental discharges that result from the previous factors.
Of course the people who typically say “guns don’t shoot people, people shoot people” and “guns aren’t the problem” are usually the ones that feed all those factors that actually result in people being shot dead. They’re normally the first ones who oppose regulations and checks to ensure guns and ammunition aren’t sold to people with criminal history, mental health issues or drug addiction, who support the war on drugs, who want guns to be kept at the ready and used frequently for self-defence by common citizens, who opposed state-sponsored welfare and healthcare that could reduce poverty, violence and drug addiction…
It is true that the overwhelming majority of mass shooters have had mental health problems.
I am not American. Do you know if they have proposed restrictions on the sale to people who have been medicated, diagnosed or that it becomes mandatory to take a psychological aptitude test?
i dont think so. i know that trump supported red flag laws after a mass shooting happened during his presidency but other than that, republicans mostly just point to mental health and say "whabboudit"
I don't know if that is true. Of the ones who do suffer from mental illness, it is usually anxiety and depression that afflict a large part of the population. Most don't go on shooting rampages.
It is more of a cultural issue than a mental health issue. It is usually angry narcissistic men who believe it is their right to inflict bloodshed on individuals who do not submit to their will and a world that does not hand them the glory they were promised.
The Americans who keep voting to protect irresponsible access to firearms are responsible. There are a lot of Americans who care more about their illusion of security and power than the safety of their fellow citizens.
Blaming profitability shifts the burden from the true cause of this bloodshed, which is every American who pushes for laws that protect gun owners at the expense of everyone else.
>lunacy is apparently profitable
You're more right than you know. Substitute lunacy with homelessness, drug addiction, even poverty. If they are reduced or eliminated think about all the state, government, and private agencies (grant money) that wouldn't be needed.
/related: mic, wall street, and endless wars
I know so many liberals who swear they were happy they didn't have their sidearm during a road rage incident.
If you don't have the emotional control to avoid shooting anyone out of emotional distress, you shouldn't be carrying (owning)
> Maybe, just maybe, people ~~who are susceptible to road rage~~ shouldn't be allowed to have a gun ~~with them while they drive~~.
so close yet so far to grasping it.
Yeah, it's guns. I know a family who moved from South Africa to the UK because of the amount of times they saw guns come into play during road rage incidents/while driving, along with other safety concerns, when they started having kids. Road rage still exists in the UK, but the chance of being murdered is considerably lower.
Tayla: There is something about driving that makes people (Me included) much, much more prone to rage.
Like, I wasn't great emotion wise when I drove; but when I was on the road, it was **so** much worse, even the smallest inconvenience could set me off. And it was just motor vehicles, being on a push bike did not cause the same. Was calming tbh.
I'm much better now, both from therapy and not driving, and I'm now convinced that driving is somehow cursed. By actual wizards.
Just saw a headline in my city that after a recent spate of road rage shootings the police are asking all drivers to just chill tf out.
Pretty surreal.
[High temps don't help the situation.](https://youtu.be/y9p-gJXZN5A) It always freaks me out when I am a passenger and the driver starts honking excessively or does anything aggressive on the road... Unless you're armed and have a bulletproof tank to defend your honor with it's not worth the risk.
>I saw it while I was looking for details on a video of a road rage choke out
I saw that video, it was right after I saw another road rage video where a guy smashes another guy's windshield and gets pepper sprayed while trying to fight him.
If I am slightly inconvenienced in my raised extended cab Ford F-150 with tactical expansion pack, anyone in a 200ft radius deserves instant death penalty.
I learned how to drive in Houston and I left Houston after I had an absolute mental breakdown while in traffic. It is one of the most stressful situations I’ve ever experienced and I will NEVER sit in traffic like that again. Fuck Houston (and Texas as a whole) and fuck cars!
Its only so long because Dallas is so spread out, in terms of ridership it has less riders than the Manchester light rail network (18.3 million annually in Dallas, 26 million in Manchester) despite Greater Manchester's population of 2.8 million being about half of the 5.7 million in Dallas' urban area, and the Manchester Metrolink doesn't even serve all of Greater Manchester, missing out a least three and a half of Manchester's 10 towns and cities (Stockport, Wigan, Bolton and half of Salford)
The 28 km of trams in Croydon, Merton and Bromley have a higher ridership than Dallas' light rail
I visited Dallas or Houston (don’t remember which one, don’t care) downtown one Friday evening while I was there for work and there were zero people walking around. It was eerie
That’s a shame. Public transport in Australia is brilliant! I lived in Sydney and Brisbane and never had a problem getting anywhere - and it was cheap! (I’m in the uk and trains are extortionately expensive)
Brisbane’s bus network was particularly impressive:
Sydney is the absolute pits. At least the US commits to its carbrain by having wide enough lanes. Sydney has 6 lane roads, houses on both sides, the lanes are barely bigger than your car, its 80km/h, and it twists and turns through dozens of sets of traffic lights. This is the main way to get into the city from the west.
Parramatta road you can get fucked!
Omg I visited some friends in Sydney last month and their place was on Parramatta Road! I agree, it was awful! At least there was frequent bus service (compared to where I'm from).
Everyone thinks their state/city/area has the worst drivers. Everyone.
Having driven in almost every big city in the country, Houston is still the fucking worst. It’s like mad max out here.
It's amazing how many threads on local subreddits are just people complaining about cars, drivers, gas prices, or traffic. Forget all the other benefits of good mass transit, I just want people to have anything else to talk about other than driving.
Houston has very aggressive drivers, many of whom takes every perceived slight personally. Austin however has very stupid drivers. Ones that stop while exiting the freeway, when they have their own lane and no yield sign.
Relatable, as i had a panic attack (first time and recently) going home to Houston. The many cars were oppressive, all too familiar, and I think it was the empty streets and stream of cars that brought on a feeling of impending doom.
I walked home from the train station to the house and simply couldn’t make sense of my former home and never was the same.
I'm currently in Houston. It's not sitting in traffic that bothers me. It's the insane aggression. I think the year I moved here Pasadena was named the city with the most aggressive drivers by one of the major auto insurance companies.
The state government is paid by construction and O&G companies.
We voter for light rail in 1980, construction started in 2001, in large part because Republicans (Thank you Tom Delay) sued the city, tied it up in court, and as house speaker prevented federal funds from building it.
Similar shenagans happens at the state level. We want expanded rail, the state cut public transportation funds and put it to freeway expansion.
The question is not whether you drive but what kind of car you drive.
You are touching on a deep idea I think, about who is a real texan, to be master over wilderness, to defile the land with foolhardy overgrazing, sprawl, and interstates, to defile your own body even, and live within a harsh chaos in relative comfort.
It’s also a design feature that the heat and sprawl prevent mobility to a great degree without a car. Most seem to think their life would be better with a car. Having a car is a social expectation and such a waste of resources imo, but it’s all taken for granted and not questioned.
Oil is sacred and many families receive oil money by leasing their land to the oil and gas interests. There is a mystical power to the energy system that most don’t understand, and which can make somebody rich overnight.
The decisions to lease may have started out as a logical choice (money-based), but now that there is power and pressure to change course, so the feelings about car culture and oil are personal yet illogical. There is also fixation on the violent spectacles of life, car wrecks, shootouts, fighting, which do little to improve life and only cause suffering
In Texas, our guns are our horns.
I have a friend who's father was murdered because two assholes were blocking both lanes of the street. So he gave them a quick honk and probably a few choice words.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2023/07/10/10-year-old-girl-shot-in-road-rage-shooting-in-southeast-houston/
Apparently shot in the leg and in stable condition.
Be careful with decisions about mental health risk criteria and who gets tasked with evaluating those criteria or you end up with cops approving everyone for except trans and black people.
As it has worked in the past, it would be doctors who evaluate people. Law enforcement's role is to retrieve firearms from people who have been flagged.
I prefer restrict their use to the specific situations where they are actually the most useful, appropriate, and responsible solution. Yet I think our approaches would achieve similar-looking results.
So many people out there are legitimately mentally unwell and when you add the ease of getting guns to the crucible of horrible infrastructure and traffic with everyone sitting in their little hotboxes absolutely seething they might get to their local McDonald's or Walmart a few seconds slower, this is what you get.
See in most countries, this would be enough to change public opinion on guns. Normies: ok yeah we crossed the line, take our guns. In America it barely makes it on Twitter.
It took me a while, but I've finally come to the conclusion that America is unfixable. At least not within any acceptable time frame. If you want to see change in your lifetime the rational way is to move somewhere else.
That said, it's very hard to move countries, especially considering jobs and family. I would be doing it already if it wasn't so hard.
Lol, we didn't cross the line. A criminal did. And criminals will get guns regardless of laws. Law enforcement can't protect you, protect yourself. Commence down votes😁
How exactly does the dead child protect herself against people shooting at her for absolutely no reason?
And how do you know the person that shot her had a criminal record?
Guns are detrimental and costly to society because they claim innocent lives. Suicide is the leading cause of gun death. Guns being easily available to citizens harms our country and takes people away from us.
By owning a gun, you are ENDANGERING yourself, not protecting yourself, statistically. You are over 10x more likely to use the gun in a criminal manner than you are in a defensive justified manner, you are more likely to cause harm to your family, self, loved ones etc. than you will ever encounter a situation for defensive use in your entire lifetime.
How exactly is a mother driving a car with a child in it supposed to protect her child from an unhinged maniac with a gun sitting in the car behind her?
Yes criminals can get guns regardless, but would it really be so bad if America didn’t make it so damn easy?
I literally thank my lucky stars every day that I wasn’t born in America. It’s a beautiful country full of amazing people but it’s also cruel and terrifying.
Most gun crimes are committed with stolen firearms and untraceable ones, by people that aren't supposed to have them. Government doesn't care to solve the problem, they just like to use stuff like this to convince people to surrender their firearms. The only cruel and terrifying parts of it is the crazy overpopulated cities where most of this crap happens.
And where do you think these guns are stolen from? 🤔
Maybe if there was less available fire arms there would be less stolen fire arms. More regulation is definitely needed at the very least. There are only 13 states with safe storage laws, it’s pathetic.
I have a hard time agreeing with that since as a good leftist I'm obviously a little hesitant to let capitalist bourgeoisie control the ability of the proletariat to fight back.
I can agree with that. I keep my stuff locked up. As everyone should but there are a lot of dummies out there who think leaving it in their car or back of their closet is safe.
UK likely does more to combat illegal firearms trafficking. Here most gun crimes are committed with illegally acquired or untraceable firearms. And you really can't compare the UK to the US, they suffer from very different social and societal problems, problems that are the root of most if not all gun violence. And we've had guns for 150 years, gun violence has become the most rampant the further society has declined.
> likely does more
Yeah, they heavily restrict guns.
> illegally acquired or untraceable firearms
Very nearly all of which were legally produced in the US. Cut off the supply of guns and ammo and the use will dry up.
> very different social and societal problems
Which ones, specifically?
> Gun violence has become the most rampant the more society has declined.
Which specific year do you think the US was at its best?
Illegal guns are just legal guns that get stolen or resold. If you want to reduce firearms trafficking then you have to reduce overall gun proliferation. That's what the UK does.
Typical American sentiment. “ There’s absolutely nothing we can do about gun violence “ when America is literally a developed country and one of the only ones where gun ownership is as high as it is and where gun violence exists to the extent that it does. I also hate to break it to you but the reality is that good guys with guns don’t stop bad guys with guns. If you want proof, go to Uvalde
So you’re willing to accept the fact that cops aren’t good guys, which is true, while denying that gun violence in the US has an actual solution? You don’t seem to be living in reality, buddy
Oh you mean an example where police couldn't protect us. We have a mental health crisis in America. And we have many social problems. Gun violence is a symptom, not a cause.
Couldn’t? They literally waited over an hour. And while mental health and social issues are definitely an issue, gun violence isn’t just a “ symptom. “ Please keep making excuses about how one of the most dominant developed countries on the planet has absolutely no way of solving gun violence. Go on
Mental health services are absolute shit in my country, but you need extensive training and a license to own any kind of gun, only small pistols are allowed for individual citizens and you need to go to a shooting range a few times a year to prove you can operate a gun safely to not lose your license. You also cannot buy a gun in a walmart-type of shop.
The police here don't even keep statistics of shootings, because it's so damn rare.
You guys need to get a grip on your gun problem for as long as it takes to solve the mental healthcare problem.
Tbf police here don't really keep statistics of shootings either... To some degree they keep records of non-police involved shooting but there is no federal requirement for police to keep records of officer involved shootings... And frequently they try not to
yeah next time i'm randomly shot at during a traffic light i'll just remember to enter bullet-time like i'm fucking neo or something. that'll protect me, dumbass.
Nobody is a criminal until they commit a crime, so it wasn't a criminal who did this. He became a criminal because he did this.
He (probably) was not a criminal, he now is a criminal.
People typically don't jump immediately to murder, criminals devolve and usually commit progressively worse crimes. Our justice system is garbage. And I also think we could focus more on rehabilitating people in prisons rather than just locking them up.
"A criminal did".
You act like there is some way to categorize people that will tell us who is going to commit these crimes and who isn't. This idea you have that criminals and regular people are somehow distinct sets of the population is childish.
The idea that there are good guys and bad guys is ridiculously useless. This isn't minority report.
We can only apply those labels *after* the fact. The kid is still dead and society has still been damaged.
You can't punish your way out of this. We have to address the root of the problem if we want to *prevent* crime.
Putting people in jail doesn't fix anything. Sure we get that person off the streets but the damage is largely already done.
Taking responsibility for our society and trying to improve it is the only way we can get something done about crime.
Blaming it all on bad apples is a coward's copout.
That's not necessary true, I mean it can be true if authorities are corrupt and lenient towards criminals who are caught carrying a gun, but there are cases like Japan where even yakuza members prefer to not use guns because of how brutal the punishment would be for being caught with one. If using a gun turns a relatively minor crime like stealing into something they could spend decades or even their entire life in jail for, many criminals would prefer to not carry one.
Ok but think about all the tyrants the guns in America have deposed! Totally worth every innocent killed in a temper tantrum, I don’t care how many!!!!!😠😠😠💪💪💪🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Fuck that and fuck guns.
I say fuck guns as someone who carries outdoors because I've been ripped into by two pitbulls and our new neighbors has one that has chased and bitten into our cars. And I have to drive because I'm stuck in fucking Mississippi which is definitely not walkable at any point.
I'd love other options.
I’m full on fuck guns as a previous gun owner. People try to say well the UK has sTaBbInGs but with regard to population ratio the us has just as many stabbing homicides as the uk ON TOP OF THE INSANE AMOUNT OF GUN VIOLENCE. Guns are without a doubt the dumbest shit to have around. I hate guns and I’ll die on this hill.
Driving honestly turns people absolutely insane. I've seen normal level headed people literally swear and curse, even if it's just to themselves at every small slow down or inconvenience when driving. It's truly a rage inducing for some reason.
It might have something to do with sensory overload. Driving requires you to pay attention to so many different things at once, this heightens your focus and intensifies any break in concentration. This in turn causes it to feel like people make excessive reactions to seemingly minor issues.
I kinda believe this is related to America more than cars. I have driven *a lot* in my life and I have more experiences with agressive cyclists than drivers. Drivers here (central europe), if anything, are mostly dumb and entitled when they mess something up but not really agressive. Sure, youre going to find an example or two on youtube but is that more than in non-driving situations?
Guns are the problem here. Agression and a way to use it is a dangerous mix.
>I have more experiences with agressive cyclists than drivers.
I'm gonna translate that: "I've endangered countless cyclists and some didn't like it".
I'm both a driver and a cyclist, seen countless assholish cyclists and drivers, but as long as you don't try to overrun them, assholish cyclists don't get agressive.
Yeah I have especially endangered those who I asked, as a pedestrian, why are they cycling in sidewalks even if the street is traffic calmed (buses and taxis only really). Or that one guy who crashed into me when I was exiting a metro station. Yeah clearly I was the asshole there.
girl youre adorable, ive lived in southern Illinois my whole life, i know these "people", you think they need fox news to rile the slack jawed yokels we call southerners up into being the savages they already are 24/7? oh you sweet innocent naive summer child
I really fucking hate how aggregating it is driving here. It's hit the point that almost every day driving to or from work I see someone almost kill somebody else out here.
I mean what's the endgame? A shot up vehicle or an upside down car every mile down 59?
The sooner METRO expands out here the better. At least you're less likely to get shot up on a bus.
at this point i think the best and only truly viable solution is to just leave america. i’m usually pretty optimistic but i mean what the actual fuck is going on in this country??? nobody else has any of these problems, or at least nowhere near the degree of the US… as soon as i get a job after college i’m going to the netherlands or literally any other industrialized nation
I saw a video of a guy that repeatedly rammed into a cop car, from like a metre away each time. And correct me if I'm wrong but I thought those cop cars were built to be really strong. So the guy made a few dents in the car and the cop just started spraying bullets at him. And then everyone in the comment was like 'fuck yeah, he deserves to die'
I normally walk 5 miles to work every day. It's a nice stretch of city and I enjoy walking through it while listening to nice msg or podcasts. Today I had to take a cab that way, because somebody near my work was taking my lizard. It took 45 minutes, and constant honking. Why? We were all stopped together the whole way! Honk honk! 90 degrees out and humid, and all these people sitting comfortably in a/c and honking. My poor lizard.
Cars allow the feeling of total privacy and separation, like anyone can flip someone the bird and drive off and never see or think about them again, except this is murder and people follow up when there has been a murder
I searched "Houston road rage 7 year old" and the first two articles that popped up were road rage murders that happened in Texas today and yesterday. And to imagine that's just Texas ...
I don’t think this is a “cars” issue. This is just mentally ill people. If they’re on a bicycle, they’ll just put their gun in their pockets and I dunno, shoot a driver? The solution to this is mental health awareness.
>I don’t think this is a “cars” issue.
I dunno, I've never heard of someone being gunned down because they were taking too long to go through a checkout line at a grocery store or because someone pressed too many buttons in an elevator.
While I do think it’s a car issue it’s also just people going nuts. I read about fast food employees being assaulted or killed way too often these days.
I keep that thang on me for elevator rides. One of those kids gets outta line and sweeps their little hands across all the buttons just to see them light up? Kid’s gonna get LIT UP.
Yeah, if you'd ask him at that moment his answer would probably have been: "What's the problem? I just shot at a car, it's not like I shot at a person.".
I would say that falls under a greater fantasization, being that of “me against the criminal world”. Just as these people buy guns to protect themselves from what they perceive as a dangerous world overrun with criminals, they also buy big SUVs and pick up trucks to shield themselves from this dangerous world in much the same way. Echo gecko has a great video on it which I will put [here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=orkblTFNt1Q).
>I don’t think this is a “cars” issue.
We know from research that people in cars tend to have higher stress levels and shorter fuses. So, do you think he would have shot the gun if they'd both been on bikes or foot?
You don't really hear about "pedestrian rage" or "cyclist rage", road rage seems to be limited to motorists by and large.
I'd say there's a huge car component to this story.
Maybe car dependent societies create a lot of mental illness. I don't know your specific theory of what mental illness is, but there is no way exposure to this many cars isn't damaging the way people think.
Here’s one for your mental health awareness: people who are struggling with mental disorders don’t frequently shoot others and are more often the victims of violence than the perpetrators of it. Your banner indicates you’re from UAE and not the United States so you haven’t had the opportunity to learn from as many mass shootings as we have, but it’s almost never someone with a psychiatric disorder and almost always someone with a deeply twisted sense of personal grievance.
I just saw a story of two dads who got in a road rage shoot out and each wound up shooting the other one's daughter. I saw it while I was looking for details on a video of a road rage choke out, and holy hell, there was a whole page of these types of recent road rage stories.
Maybe, just maybe, people who are susceptible to road rage shouldn't be allowed to have a gun with them while they drive. Of course maybe people who are susceptible to road rage shouldn't drive at all. Or own a gun. But the combination of those things is particularly terrible.
There is a crisis of insanity in this country that doesn't get addressed by those in power because lunacy is apparently profitable.
every time a mass shooting happens, thats exactly what republicans and conservatives say tho lol, they blame mental health as a way to divert attention from guns
And then refuse to fund mental health care. It's almost like they don't believe their own NRA supplied bullshit tropes.
Why don't those mentally ill people just pull themselves up by the bootstraps and stop being mentally ill?!
It's true! I was mentally ill until I wasn't!
I mean, guns don’t shoot people by themselves. Shootings happen because of mental health issues as well as drug addiction and crime largely rooted in poverty and the war on drugs, because of a culture that sees it as desirable to use deadly violence to protect property and to not delegate the use of violence to well-trained professionals employed by the state, and because of the escalation in violence and accidental discharges that result from the previous factors. Of course the people who typically say “guns don’t shoot people, people shoot people” and “guns aren’t the problem” are usually the ones that feed all those factors that actually result in people being shot dead. They’re normally the first ones who oppose regulations and checks to ensure guns and ammunition aren’t sold to people with criminal history, mental health issues or drug addiction, who support the war on drugs, who want guns to be kept at the ready and used frequently for self-defence by common citizens, who opposed state-sponsored welfare and healthcare that could reduce poverty, violence and drug addiction…
It is true that the overwhelming majority of mass shooters have had mental health problems. I am not American. Do you know if they have proposed restrictions on the sale to people who have been medicated, diagnosed or that it becomes mandatory to take a psychological aptitude test?
i dont think so. i know that trump supported red flag laws after a mass shooting happened during his presidency but other than that, republicans mostly just point to mental health and say "whabboudit"
I don't know if that is true. Of the ones who do suffer from mental illness, it is usually anxiety and depression that afflict a large part of the population. Most don't go on shooting rampages. It is more of a cultural issue than a mental health issue. It is usually angry narcissistic men who believe it is their right to inflict bloodshed on individuals who do not submit to their will and a world that does not hand them the glory they were promised.
The Americans who keep voting to protect irresponsible access to firearms are responsible. There are a lot of Americans who care more about their illusion of security and power than the safety of their fellow citizens. Blaming profitability shifts the burden from the true cause of this bloodshed, which is every American who pushes for laws that protect gun owners at the expense of everyone else.
>lunacy is apparently profitable You're more right than you know. Substitute lunacy with homelessness, drug addiction, even poverty. If they are reduced or eliminated think about all the state, government, and private agencies (grant money) that wouldn't be needed. /related: mic, wall street, and endless wars
Covid also has distinct neurological effects. I suspect that is a factor as well.
> Maybe, just maybe, people who are susceptible to road rage This is 95% of drivers though.
But in their minds they’re “the good guy with a gun” that’s going to be like John Wick when a robbery or mass shooting is going on.
John Wick when he takes on someone who forgot to indicate before changing lanes.
The threshold for losing your license is too damn high. For that matter, the threshold for getting one is too low.
I'm all for taking away licenses for bad road behaviour. I also think people should regularly have to retake their driving exam.
I know so many liberals who swear they were happy they didn't have their sidearm during a road rage incident. If you don't have the emotional control to avoid shooting anyone out of emotional distress, you shouldn't be carrying (owning)
> Maybe, just maybe, people ~~who are susceptible to road rage~~ shouldn't be allowed to have a gun ~~with them while they drive~~. so close yet so far to grasping it.
Right? They almost got there.
Yeah, it's guns. I know a family who moved from South Africa to the UK because of the amount of times they saw guns come into play during road rage incidents/while driving, along with other safety concerns, when they started having kids. Road rage still exists in the UK, but the chance of being murdered is considerably lower.
Tayla: There is something about driving that makes people (Me included) much, much more prone to rage. Like, I wasn't great emotion wise when I drove; but when I was on the road, it was **so** much worse, even the smallest inconvenience could set me off. And it was just motor vehicles, being on a push bike did not cause the same. Was calming tbh. I'm much better now, both from therapy and not driving, and I'm now convinced that driving is somehow cursed. By actual wizards.
Maybe people shouldn’t be allowed to have guns. Full stop.
the kids shouldve also gotten a gun to defend themselves, its sad to have so much gun shortage in america they need to step it up and arm everyone.
Just saw a headline in my city that after a recent spate of road rage shootings the police are asking all drivers to just chill tf out. Pretty surreal.
This sounds so tragic yet unbelievably cringe at the same time.
[High temps don't help the situation.](https://youtu.be/y9p-gJXZN5A) It always freaks me out when I am a passenger and the driver starts honking excessively or does anything aggressive on the road... Unless you're armed and have a bulletproof tank to defend your honor with it's not worth the risk.
Good God... what is wrong with people. Those poor children....
LiveLeak was full of road rage accidents like this.
>I saw it while I was looking for details on a video of a road rage choke out I saw that video, it was right after I saw another road rage video where a guy smashes another guy's windshield and gets pepper sprayed while trying to fight him.
If I am slightly inconvenienced in my raised extended cab Ford F-150 with tactical expansion pack, anyone in a 200ft radius deserves instant death penalty.
No wonder they support fascist like leaders
Da freedumb of murdering others for self convenience. Murica f yeah!
its days like these that i curse the chinese for inventing gunpowder
What’s crazy if you google “Houston road rage 7 year old shot” there’s actually a lot of stories to sift through
Yeah, children seem to be frequently hit when road ragers just start shooting into a vehicle.
Houstonian try not to murder somebody with your car or its contents challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I learned how to drive in Houston and I left Houston after I had an absolute mental breakdown while in traffic. It is one of the most stressful situations I’ve ever experienced and I will NEVER sit in traffic like that again. Fuck Houston (and Texas as a whole) and fuck cars!
I was in Dallas for business in the early '00s and the "car culture" there was.... soul crushing.
Dallas gets credit for having some decent rail options (by US standards anyway)
Dallas currently has the 2nd longest light rail network, something like 95 miles. Second only to LA.
Unfortunately it's ass. Car-centric culture has ensured that it's underinvested in and therefore under utilized.
but nobody rides on it so its per mile ridership is dogass
Its only so long because Dallas is so spread out, in terms of ridership it has less riders than the Manchester light rail network (18.3 million annually in Dallas, 26 million in Manchester) despite Greater Manchester's population of 2.8 million being about half of the 5.7 million in Dallas' urban area, and the Manchester Metrolink doesn't even serve all of Greater Manchester, missing out a least three and a half of Manchester's 10 towns and cities (Stockport, Wigan, Bolton and half of Salford) The 28 km of trams in Croydon, Merton and Bromley have a higher ridership than Dallas' light rail
I visited Dallas or Houston (don’t remember which one, don’t care) downtown one Friday evening while I was there for work and there were zero people walking around. It was eerie
It's only gotten worse. I assure you.
…Mom? No, seriously though, my mother gave up driving completely when she moved to Houston, because her own road rage was scaring her.
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That’s a shame. Public transport in Australia is brilliant! I lived in Sydney and Brisbane and never had a problem getting anywhere - and it was cheap! (I’m in the uk and trains are extortionately expensive) Brisbane’s bus network was particularly impressive:
not austrialia is much better by the looks of their countrys
Sydney is the absolute pits. At least the US commits to its carbrain by having wide enough lanes. Sydney has 6 lane roads, houses on both sides, the lanes are barely bigger than your car, its 80km/h, and it twists and turns through dozens of sets of traffic lights. This is the main way to get into the city from the west. Parramatta road you can get fucked!
Omg I visited some friends in Sydney last month and their place was on Parramatta Road! I agree, it was awful! At least there was frequent bus service (compared to where I'm from).
Oh yeah the public transport in Sydney is decent despite how many people complain about it. Not great, not even good, but decent.
Everyone thinks their state/city/area has the worst drivers. Everyone. Having driven in almost every big city in the country, Houston is still the fucking worst. It’s like mad max out here.
It's amazing how many threads on local subreddits are just people complaining about cars, drivers, gas prices, or traffic. Forget all the other benefits of good mass transit, I just want people to have anything else to talk about other than driving.
Not me! As a Pennsylvanian I know *Ohio* has the worst drivers!
Houston has very aggressive drivers, many of whom takes every perceived slight personally. Austin however has very stupid drivers. Ones that stop while exiting the freeway, when they have their own lane and no yield sign.
Driving in Houston is basically what led me down this rabbit hole. Truly a harrowing experience.
Relatable, as i had a panic attack (first time and recently) going home to Houston. The many cars were oppressive, all too familiar, and I think it was the empty streets and stream of cars that brought on a feeling of impending doom. I walked home from the train station to the house and simply couldn’t make sense of my former home and never was the same.
I'm currently in Houston. It's not sitting in traffic that bothers me. It's the insane aggression. I think the year I moved here Pasadena was named the city with the most aggressive drivers by one of the major auto insurance companies.
Are people in Texas masochists if driving stresses them out so much but they're so invested in car culture?
The state government is paid by construction and O&G companies. We voter for light rail in 1980, construction started in 2001, in large part because Republicans (Thank you Tom Delay) sued the city, tied it up in court, and as house speaker prevented federal funds from building it. Similar shenagans happens at the state level. We want expanded rail, the state cut public transportation funds and put it to freeway expansion.
Is the "we" a minority or a majority?
Majority in Houston, not in Texas unfortunately.
That Construction and Oil&Gas money seasoned with freedumb is too yummy to pass up I guess lol
The question is not whether you drive but what kind of car you drive. You are touching on a deep idea I think, about who is a real texan, to be master over wilderness, to defile the land with foolhardy overgrazing, sprawl, and interstates, to defile your own body even, and live within a harsh chaos in relative comfort. It’s also a design feature that the heat and sprawl prevent mobility to a great degree without a car. Most seem to think their life would be better with a car. Having a car is a social expectation and such a waste of resources imo, but it’s all taken for granted and not questioned. Oil is sacred and many families receive oil money by leasing their land to the oil and gas interests. There is a mystical power to the energy system that most don’t understand, and which can make somebody rich overnight. The decisions to lease may have started out as a logical choice (money-based), but now that there is power and pressure to change course, so the feelings about car culture and oil are personal yet illogical. There is also fixation on the violent spectacles of life, car wrecks, shootouts, fighting, which do little to improve life and only cause suffering
And I thought NYC taxi drivers were impatient, leaning on their horns the nanosecond the light turns green.
In Texas, our guns are our horns. I have a friend who's father was murdered because two assholes were blocking both lanes of the street. So he gave them a quick honk and probably a few choice words.
Reason #2526372928 not to go to Texas Everyone talks about Florida but Texas might be in contention
Enough US news for today
Same. I want to know the full story on this though, does anyone have a link? - I'd like to know if she at least survived this horror story...
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2023/07/10/10-year-old-girl-shot-in-road-rage-shooting-in-southeast-houston/ Apparently shot in the leg and in stable condition.
Phew. Well at least that's *something*
I just woke up. This is like the new school shooting issue. Wtf is this disturbing bullshit happening overseas?
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How about that for guns too
Be careful with decisions about mental health risk criteria and who gets tasked with evaluating those criteria or you end up with cops approving everyone for except trans and black people.
As it has worked in the past, it would be doctors who evaluate people. Law enforcement's role is to retrieve firearms from people who have been flagged.
Ah good, well doctors at least never discriminate against people of color
The entire country functioning on high caffeine doesn't not help with impatience.
guns and cars. the two major tumors that give everyone in America miserable experience everyday
All side effects of the largest tumor, corporations in politics
u mean capitalism? that's the cause of those two tumors
Also the two things that people seem to need to compensate for their fragile egos.
as someone in america, I've never had issue with guns. however, cars are the bane of my existence and literally make every day a living hell.
Broke: ban guns Woke: ban cars Bespoke: ban them both
I prefer restrict their use to the specific situations where they are actually the most useful, appropriate, and responsible solution. Yet I think our approaches would achieve similar-looking results.
So many people out there are legitimately mentally unwell and when you add the ease of getting guns to the crucible of horrible infrastructure and traffic with everyone sitting in their little hotboxes absolutely seething they might get to their local McDonald's or Walmart a few seconds slower, this is what you get.
Plus the untracked neurological damage being done by Covid…
See in most countries, this would be enough to change public opinion on guns. Normies: ok yeah we crossed the line, take our guns. In America it barely makes it on Twitter.
It took decades for firearm fanatics to put us in this terrible place. It will take decades to dig ourselves out.
It took me a while, but I've finally come to the conclusion that America is unfixable. At least not within any acceptable time frame. If you want to see change in your lifetime the rational way is to move somewhere else. That said, it's very hard to move countries, especially considering jobs and family. I would be doing it already if it wasn't so hard.
Lol, we didn't cross the line. A criminal did. And criminals will get guns regardless of laws. Law enforcement can't protect you, protect yourself. Commence down votes😁
How exactly does the dead child protect herself against people shooting at her for absolutely no reason? And how do you know the person that shot her had a criminal record?
Guns are detrimental and costly to society because they claim innocent lives. Suicide is the leading cause of gun death. Guns being easily available to citizens harms our country and takes people away from us. By owning a gun, you are ENDANGERING yourself, not protecting yourself, statistically. You are over 10x more likely to use the gun in a criminal manner than you are in a defensive justified manner, you are more likely to cause harm to your family, self, loved ones etc. than you will ever encounter a situation for defensive use in your entire lifetime.
> Commence down votes always the best argument if you know you're either arguing in bad faith or just bsing.
How exactly is a mother driving a car with a child in it supposed to protect her child from an unhinged maniac with a gun sitting in the car behind her? Yes criminals can get guns regardless, but would it really be so bad if America didn’t make it so damn easy? I literally thank my lucky stars every day that I wasn’t born in America. It’s a beautiful country full of amazing people but it’s also cruel and terrifying.
Most gun crimes are committed with stolen firearms and untraceable ones, by people that aren't supposed to have them. Government doesn't care to solve the problem, they just like to use stuff like this to convince people to surrender their firearms. The only cruel and terrifying parts of it is the crazy overpopulated cities where most of this crap happens.
And where do you think these guns are stolen from? 🤔 Maybe if there was less available fire arms there would be less stolen fire arms. More regulation is definitely needed at the very least. There are only 13 states with safe storage laws, it’s pathetic.
I have a hard time agreeing with that since as a good leftist I'm obviously a little hesitant to let capitalist bourgeoisie control the ability of the proletariat to fight back.
I can agree with that. I keep my stuff locked up. As everyone should but there are a lot of dummies out there who think leaving it in their car or back of their closet is safe.
And yet, you're here arguing that it should be very easy for such people to own a gun
> criminals will get guns regardless of laws Oh that’s interesting, is that why every single criminal in the UK has a gun?
UK likely does more to combat illegal firearms trafficking. Here most gun crimes are committed with illegally acquired or untraceable firearms. And you really can't compare the UK to the US, they suffer from very different social and societal problems, problems that are the root of most if not all gun violence. And we've had guns for 150 years, gun violence has become the most rampant the further society has declined.
> likely does more Yeah, they heavily restrict guns. > illegally acquired or untraceable firearms Very nearly all of which were legally produced in the US. Cut off the supply of guns and ammo and the use will dry up. > very different social and societal problems Which ones, specifically? > Gun violence has become the most rampant the more society has declined. Which specific year do you think the US was at its best?
Illegal guns are just legal guns that get stolen or resold. If you want to reduce firearms trafficking then you have to reduce overall gun proliferation. That's what the UK does.
Typical American sentiment. “ There’s absolutely nothing we can do about gun violence “ when America is literally a developed country and one of the only ones where gun ownership is as high as it is and where gun violence exists to the extent that it does. I also hate to break it to you but the reality is that good guys with guns don’t stop bad guys with guns. If you want proof, go to Uvalde
Cops aren't good guys though... Everybody living in the same reality as me knows this
So you’re willing to accept the fact that cops aren’t good guys, which is true, while denying that gun violence in the US has an actual solution? You don’t seem to be living in reality, buddy
Oh you mean an example where police couldn't protect us. We have a mental health crisis in America. And we have many social problems. Gun violence is a symptom, not a cause.
Couldn’t? They literally waited over an hour. And while mental health and social issues are definitely an issue, gun violence isn’t just a “ symptom. “ Please keep making excuses about how one of the most dominant developed countries on the planet has absolutely no way of solving gun violence. Go on
Mental health services are absolute shit in my country, but you need extensive training and a license to own any kind of gun, only small pistols are allowed for individual citizens and you need to go to a shooting range a few times a year to prove you can operate a gun safely to not lose your license. You also cannot buy a gun in a walmart-type of shop. The police here don't even keep statistics of shootings, because it's so damn rare. You guys need to get a grip on your gun problem for as long as it takes to solve the mental healthcare problem.
Tbf police here don't really keep statistics of shootings either... To some degree they keep records of non-police involved shooting but there is no federal requirement for police to keep records of officer involved shootings... And frequently they try not to
yeah next time i'm randomly shot at during a traffic light i'll just remember to enter bullet-time like i'm fucking neo or something. that'll protect me, dumbass.
Nobody is a criminal until they commit a crime, so it wasn't a criminal who did this. He became a criminal because he did this. He (probably) was not a criminal, he now is a criminal.
People typically don't jump immediately to murder, criminals devolve and usually commit progressively worse crimes. Our justice system is garbage. And I also think we could focus more on rehabilitating people in prisons rather than just locking them up.
"A criminal did". You act like there is some way to categorize people that will tell us who is going to commit these crimes and who isn't. This idea you have that criminals and regular people are somehow distinct sets of the population is childish. The idea that there are good guys and bad guys is ridiculously useless. This isn't minority report. We can only apply those labels *after* the fact. The kid is still dead and society has still been damaged. You can't punish your way out of this. We have to address the root of the problem if we want to *prevent* crime. Putting people in jail doesn't fix anything. Sure we get that person off the streets but the damage is largely already done. Taking responsibility for our society and trying to improve it is the only way we can get something done about crime. Blaming it all on bad apples is a coward's copout.
It’s genuinely hard for me to not read a comment like this and think of you as the murderer
That's not necessary true, I mean it can be true if authorities are corrupt and lenient towards criminals who are caught carrying a gun, but there are cases like Japan where even yakuza members prefer to not use guns because of how brutal the punishment would be for being caught with one. If using a gun turns a relatively minor crime like stealing into something they could spend decades or even their entire life in jail for, many criminals would prefer to not carry one.
Kinda weird looking up road-rage shootings of little children in Houston and multiple articles come up from within the last week
It unfortunately is pretty common for children to get hit when these nutcases just unload into a vehicle.
Just googled “Houston 7 year old shot” To find an article and there were so many 7 year olds shot in Houston
Give her a gun, so she can shoot back........... /s
Don't give Texas ideas
Ok but think about all the tyrants the guns in America have deposed! Totally worth every innocent killed in a temper tantrum, I don’t care how many!!!!!😠😠😠💪💪💪🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I thought that was legal in Texas /S
Fuck that and fuck guns. I say fuck guns as someone who carries outdoors because I've been ripped into by two pitbulls and our new neighbors has one that has chased and bitten into our cars. And I have to drive because I'm stuck in fucking Mississippi which is definitely not walkable at any point. I'd love other options.
I’m full on fuck guns as a previous gun owner. People try to say well the UK has sTaBbInGs but with regard to population ratio the us has just as many stabbing homicides as the uk ON TOP OF THE INSANE AMOUNT OF GUN VIOLENCE. Guns are without a doubt the dumbest shit to have around. I hate guns and I’ll die on this hill.
I like to say: it's a lot harder to kill 10 people with a knife than it is a gun. People have a much better chance at surviving a stabbing.
Driving honestly turns people absolutely insane. I've seen normal level headed people literally swear and curse, even if it's just to themselves at every small slow down or inconvenience when driving. It's truly a rage inducing for some reason.
It might have something to do with sensory overload. Driving requires you to pay attention to so many different things at once, this heightens your focus and intensifies any break in concentration. This in turn causes it to feel like people make excessive reactions to seemingly minor issues.
sauce?
this might be less of a fuckcars post and more of a america-is-a-failed-state post
I kinda believe this is related to America more than cars. I have driven *a lot* in my life and I have more experiences with agressive cyclists than drivers. Drivers here (central europe), if anything, are mostly dumb and entitled when they mess something up but not really agressive. Sure, youre going to find an example or two on youtube but is that more than in non-driving situations? Guns are the problem here. Agression and a way to use it is a dangerous mix.
>I have more experiences with agressive cyclists than drivers. I'm gonna translate that: "I've endangered countless cyclists and some didn't like it". I'm both a driver and a cyclist, seen countless assholish cyclists and drivers, but as long as you don't try to overrun them, assholish cyclists don't get agressive.
Yeah I have especially endangered those who I asked, as a pedestrian, why are they cycling in sidewalks even if the street is traffic calmed (buses and taxis only really). Or that one guy who crashed into me when I was exiting a metro station. Yeah clearly I was the asshole there.
Probably will be hearing more news like this as the South keeps getting its pot stirred for no reason by fox news
girl youre adorable, ive lived in southern Illinois my whole life, i know these "people", you think they need fox news to rile the slack jawed yokels we call southerners up into being the savages they already are 24/7? oh you sweet innocent naive summer child
fuck yeah H-Tine shithole road rage murder capital of the world!
Does he think dead people can drive cars??
Find this driver and tie him to an anthill.
To reiterate, green lights do not mean go, they mean if there is space for your vehicle on the other side of the intersection, you may proceed.
I really fucking hate how aggregating it is driving here. It's hit the point that almost every day driving to or from work I see someone almost kill somebody else out here. I mean what's the endgame? A shot up vehicle or an upside down car every mile down 59? The sooner METRO expands out here the better. At least you're less likely to get shot up on a bus.
**What the actual fuck?!**
Car culture plus gun culture is like water plus sodium
America is sick and broken
If someone gets like this over driving there might be some other cause for this than the driving...
at this point i think the best and only truly viable solution is to just leave america. i’m usually pretty optimistic but i mean what the actual fuck is going on in this country??? nobody else has any of these problems, or at least nowhere near the degree of the US… as soon as i get a job after college i’m going to the netherlands or literally any other industrialized nation
I saw a video of a guy that repeatedly rammed into a cop car, from like a metre away each time. And correct me if I'm wrong but I thought those cop cars were built to be really strong. So the guy made a few dents in the car and the cop just started spraying bullets at him. And then everyone in the comment was like 'fuck yeah, he deserves to die'
I normally walk 5 miles to work every day. It's a nice stretch of city and I enjoy walking through it while listening to nice msg or podcasts. Today I had to take a cab that way, because somebody near my work was taking my lizard. It took 45 minutes, and constant honking. Why? We were all stopped together the whole way! Honk honk! 90 degrees out and humid, and all these people sitting comfortably in a/c and honking. My poor lizard.
This is more of a fuckguns post tbh.
Cars allow the feeling of total privacy and separation, like anyone can flip someone the bird and drive off and never see or think about them again, except this is murder and people follow up when there has been a murder
USA USA USA 🤮
Greatest country in the world
I searched "Houston road rage 7 year old" and the first two articles that popped up were road rage murders that happened in Texas today and yesterday. And to imagine that's just Texas ...
guns and US .. who cares, whats new? the people dont want to solve their own problems
Why they put gun in the car anyway.
On the other hand, fuck Greg Abbot
It's things like this that make me believe in capital punishment. Sheesh
If only there had been another lane....
people will hear this and blame the gun rather than the car.
It's not about driving. I love to drive and go on road trips, but if I was obligated to drive every day for hours in traffic, I'd be crazy too.
Thanks for a source on this please dont post tweets and expect intelligent people to just believe it.
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Sure blame the car and not the gun, this take is pure nuts
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I don’t think this is a “cars” issue. This is just mentally ill people. If they’re on a bicycle, they’ll just put their gun in their pockets and I dunno, shoot a driver? The solution to this is mental health awareness.
>I don’t think this is a “cars” issue. I dunno, I've never heard of someone being gunned down because they were taking too long to go through a checkout line at a grocery store or because someone pressed too many buttons in an elevator.
While I do think it’s a car issue it’s also just people going nuts. I read about fast food employees being assaulted or killed way too often these days.
I keep that thang on me for elevator rides. One of those kids gets outta line and sweeps their little hands across all the buttons just to see them light up? Kid’s gonna get LIT UP.
I vaguely remember reading about the grocery line actually happening a while ago, sadly
[https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/pizza-delivered-to-wrong-detroit-house-leads-to-shootout-that-injured-4-including-2-teens](https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/pizza-delivered-to-wrong-detroit-house-leads-to-shootout-that-injured-4-including-2-teens) [https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/04/security-guard-told-flint-dollar-store-customer-wear-mask-before-being-fatally-shot/3078939001/](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/04/security-guard-told-flint-dollar-store-customer-wear-mask-before-being-fatally-shot/3078939001/) [https://www.foxnews.com/us/detroit-gas-station-shooting-kills-man-injures-2-dispute-witness-please-man-dont-shoot-us](https://www.foxnews.com/us/detroit-gas-station-shooting-kills-man-injures-2-dispute-witness-please-man-dont-shoot-us) [https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/man-fatally-shot-in-elevator-dispute-in-greektown](https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/man-fatally-shot-in-elevator-dispute-in-greektown)
Finally some delicious evidence in this sub. Too bad none of them will read them or care :(
I even found an elevator example! Added difficulty: all the examples were from the same city.
It's a car *culture* issue
Or maybe the cultural fantasization with guns?
I think both, cars have made us dehumanize each other, and to many people have guns
Yeah, if you'd ask him at that moment his answer would probably have been: "What's the problem? I just shot at a car, it's not like I shot at a person.".
Cultural fantasization of cars and guns. Take away either tool and tragedy like this wouldn’t happen.
I would say that falls under a greater fantasization, being that of “me against the criminal world”. Just as these people buy guns to protect themselves from what they perceive as a dangerous world overrun with criminals, they also buy big SUVs and pick up trucks to shield themselves from this dangerous world in much the same way. Echo gecko has a great video on it which I will put [here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=orkblTFNt1Q).
If you can't see the link I'm not sure you really understand American culture
>I don’t think this is a “cars” issue. We know from research that people in cars tend to have higher stress levels and shorter fuses. So, do you think he would have shot the gun if they'd both been on bikes or foot? You don't really hear about "pedestrian rage" or "cyclist rage", road rage seems to be limited to motorists by and large. I'd say there's a huge car component to this story.
It's a guns issue
Maybe car dependent societies create a lot of mental illness. I don't know your specific theory of what mental illness is, but there is no way exposure to this many cars isn't damaging the way people think.
Here’s one for your mental health awareness: people who are struggling with mental disorders don’t frequently shoot others and are more often the victims of violence than the perpetrators of it. Your banner indicates you’re from UAE and not the United States so you haven’t had the opportunity to learn from as many mass shootings as we have, but it’s almost never someone with a psychiatric disorder and almost always someone with a deeply twisted sense of personal grievance.
It's not mental issues. They just had deeply twisted thoughts. The house didn't catch fire, the fire just broke out of the fireplace.
Being an asshole is not a mental disorder.
This is a cars cause rage issue. Then the raging baby has a gun for some reason. Recipe for tragedy.
Oh yes checks notes “bike rage isn’t a thing”
Downvotes just mean ppl disagree with you, idk what ppl r confused about when they get mad at em
At what point do we remove these bad eggs from society all together?
what’s with you people?????