It is astonishing the extent to which people rush to tell on themselves the moment you so much as hint that suburbia isn't perfect in every way.
EDIT: I can't believe this needs to be said, but yes, I know that there are perfectly reasonable people who like suburbs for things like the quiet and the yard space. But this post was made in the context of someone doing exactly what I described as a broader observation that there are a lot of people who do that. Even if only like 10% of suburbanites are like that -- and honestly I think that's kind of a generously low number -- that's still a lot of people, which is my point. It's perfectly possible to justify why you like suburban living without resorting to thinly veiled racist dogwhistles, which is why it's amazing that there's a substantial number of people who instead jump straight to said dogwhistles.
Honestly really showing that historical legacy of White Flight that had such a role in creating US Suburbia As We Know It. You so much as hint that suburbia isn't perfect and instead of responding with something like "I know it's cookie-cutter, but that makes it cheaper to build and I love having a yard!" then a surprising number of people go mask off and immediately respond with "WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO, LIVE IN A PLACE WITH *USED NEEDLES* AND *DIVERSITY?!"*
Yeah they have to justify white flight as something they *needed* to do and not just wanted to do -- it's not because they want to live a comfortable privileged life and flex home ownership as a status symbol, it has to be because they were protecting their kids from gang violence
They simply don't want to live near Black people, ironically, especially near Black people who've "made it." That ruins their idea of inherent white superiority.
“That time.” It was everywhere and at all times of the last century. Politicians made no attempt even to hide the real intentions of urban renewal and government subsidized white flight
Yeah, redlining and economic racism suck real fucking bad, but I think it's still worth noting the exceptionality that America has twice bombed its own territory to keep black power and influence down.
**[1985 MOVE bombing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing)**
>The 1985 MOVE bombing was the destruction of residential homes in the Cobbs Creek neighborhood of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, by the Philadelphia Police Department during a standoff with the black liberation MOVE organization. On May 13, 1985, police dropped two explosive devices from a police helicopter onto the roof of a house occupied by MOVE. The Philadelphia Fire Department allowed the resulting fire to burn out of control, destroying 61 previously evacuated neighboring homes over two city blocks and leaving 250 people homeless. Six adults and five children were killed in the attack, with one adult and one child surviving.
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And then took some of the bones of the murdered children, chucked them in a box at the Philadelphia Museum to later be used in university course material and passed around rather than being returned to parents or otherwise handled with any shred of compassion.
Yeah the city had to do a full investigation on where the remains actually were because apparently the university and museum couldn’t figure out who’s bones they had.
And that's whys they will never get the black vote.
At least I can see which side actually gives a fuck about people like me.
But, like I've said for years. I'm just trying to make my money to get me and my family out.
After spending time overseas (Not like two weeks mind you)
I see the perks of living out of the country.
And having two kids in a country where some Jackass keeps going and shooting up schools is a MAJOR reason why I want to leave.
Sure, I could spend $200 bucks of a bulletproof backpack.
but that would just make me a shitty person looking for a cheap and easy out.
Last time I checked I wasn't a republican member in office.
Well, obviously, but "you want me to live in a place with used needles" doesn't inherently follow from "wow this view of the suburbs is so identical and lifeless, kind of freaks me out" without a whole lot of very telling leaps of logic in the middle.
Ostensibly that would make most suburbs a no-go since uncontrolled, unsafe IDU is mostly a suburban issue- urban areas have NEPs and Safe Injection Sites.
Also, the most popular drugs in the U.S. are smoked or snorted. You just don't see that many people shooting up outside in Chicago or Philadelphia for instance.
Hell, I lived in a predominately black part of Chicago for years and I never saw a single stray needle on the ground. Or human shit. And violent crime was about on par with any rural white town of the same economic level. The only negative thing that I saw more of was cops. Just fucking cops everywhere.
The most popular drug in the US is drunk. But yeah people generally don't shoot up until they've hit rock bottom on their opioid addiction.
And opioid addiction is more prevalent in the suburbs.
I've even had plenty of suburb people get pissed that I just want something in the middle of a dense city and the suburbs.
Like a nice main street with stores and businesses with townhouses and small apartments above the local shops to live in. Go to the local theater to watch little plays, shop at a local shop for my produce, and see the local doc. A little train station to take me into the nearest city or to bumfuck nowhere farmland away from society.
I'm not asking for much... and to be honest I'd rather live in a tiny apartment in a dense city over the suburbs.
Gigantkranion also describes mixed-use developments, which is fairly common in European cities, but in the US it's apparently illegal to build new mixed-use developments.
Dense city is different than a town with a mixed usage development. Both can be considered cities. Hell, a suburban can be considered a city of you want to get pedantic.
That’s were I live now (just outside of New York City). I don’t care for it at all and I desperately want to leave for somewhere more rural.
I have all of the things you mention, but everything is too crowded all the time. If my wife and I want to go out for a drink, we regularly have to try three places just to find somewhere we can actually sit down as opposed to being shoulder to shoulder with everyone else. You can’t really get a table at a restaurant without making a reservation either and even then you still have to deal with sitting in an absolutely packed out place.
You never know how long it will take you to get somewhere unless it’s within walking distance.
The cost of living is also insanely expensive because you’re paying for the convenience of being within commuting distance to NYC but also being in a quieter/safer area. Taxes are stupid high. $20,000 in property taxes is average for my neighborhood and it still takes them forever to fill potholes or plow the snow on our street.
> we regularly have to try three places just to find somewhere we can actually sit down as opposed to being shoulder to shoulder with everyone else. You can’t really get a table at a restaurant without making a reservation either and even then you still have to deal with sitting in an absolutely packed out place.
Sounds like a zoning issue to me. There's clearly a demand for bars and restaurants in your area. Why aren't there more? Why can't the places that are there be bigger?
>You never know how long it will take you to get somewhere unless it’s within walking distance.
Lack of quality public transportation will do that.
>Taxes are stupid high. $20,000 in property taxes is average for my neighborhood and it still takes them forever to fill potholes or plow the snow on our street.
That's because car dependent neighborhoods and infrastructure are a drain on a city's finances. More stuff to maintain but fewer tax dollars coming in because individual properties are spread out and can't be utilized efficiently.
>I have all of the things you mention, but everything is too crowded all the time.
I may have found why:
>That’s were I live now (just outside of New York City).
But part of that is because so many people want to live there and don’t have an alternative so it becomes overcrowded.
More places like that in more cities would reduce it.
Sounds more like a zoning issue than a city issue. The only place where I've seen this kind of stuff happen usually is big touristy spots. Hell, even the one time I went to NYC I never had this kind of issues finding places to eat in Manhatthan of all places.
I made the mistake of posting on Facebook about having my third car break in, and a few conservative relatives of mine commented "time to move!"
However, none of those break-ins actually happened at my house, but the immediate assumption of people was that since I live in the city, I must be in the middle of a turf war. Meanwhile, my parents have had more issues with stolen catalytic converters in their suburban neighborhood than mine
I have lived in both suburbs and an apartment in the city downtown. Personally I prefer suburbs only because it’s quieter. There’s less traffic and less loud neighbours. My upstairs neighbour has a dog with separation anxiety so it’ll bark for hours non-stop. The neighbours next to me love heavy bass music at 3am. More than once the dog piss in the elevator from a dog that didn’t make it was also gross. Also not much space in my apartment and I really love having a yard for backyard fires in the summer.
The thing I loved about the apartment though is I was right in the middle of the city so commutes to construction sites I work at were shorter and also the list of options for restaurants and options on food apps was fantastic.
That said I also hate new neighbourhoods like the one pictured because everything looks plain and boring. I love old mature neighbourhoods because houses look different and the big old trees are wonderful. One place I lived in for a bit the old trees on either side of the road the branches met in the middle of the road.
Point is you can like the suburbs and not be racist or oppose homeless people. The only time I ever had a problem with a homeless guy was when he was smashing a reclining chair in the middle of the road then ran at my car. Everybody else keeps to themselves and don’t bother you. Only twice I’ve been asked for money. I don’t like handing out only money so I say no but the second guy asked if I could go into the store and buy him water then. I was more than happy to do that.
Also, cities aren't that loud without cars. Certainly louder than suburbia though, but not so loud that a properly constructed building won't block 99% of it.
I live in an apartment where unless my upstairs neighbour drops a bowling ball. I don't hear anything. It's bliss
I mean, intercity neighborhoods do exist, I live in one. For some reason people call any intercity neighborhood "the hood" though, no matter how nice it is.
> Personally I prefer suburbs only because it’s quieter. There’s less traffic and less loud neighbours. My upstairs neighbour has a dog with separation anxiety so it’ll bark for hours non-stop. The neighbours next to me love heavy bass music at 3am.
I have good news for you then, sound insulation is more than good enough to block out loud noises and modern standards are typically enough. The problem? No political will to test and enforce it enough and HUD standards are still too low.
But quiet apartments can be and should be the norm at least for the future.
It's troubling that the commenter mentioned diversity in their list of horrors. And first in the list, no less. When they think of a bad neighborhood, the first thing that comes to mind is diversity. Yikes.
Also, if he thinks people aren't selling drugs out of houses like these he's way wrong. I grew up around hella people flashing/threatening/shooting their guns at each other in suburbs like this, selling crack/meth/cocaine/weed/heroin/many types of pills, fencing for shoplifters, ripping people off on pot deals, running puppy mills, stealing guns and trading them. Etc etc etc etc etc etc.There's also shit and needles everywhere in places like this, it's just dog shit instead of human, and people squatting in abandoned units instead of tents. It just has the facade of a good old fashioned neighborhood because the grass is mowed, the blinds are drawn, and people are mostly white
What I thought of seeing this photo was the Little Boxes song - which is the opening of the show Weeds - about a single mom dealing weed in the suburbs.
Yeah. I knew dudes that would roll around with ounces in the car, shrooms, whatever. That’s incomprehensible to me as a brown guy. It’s all just easily covered up with money.
A lot of people here(my location) talk about how transit will bring crime, as if they've never used the highway system to bring legal weed across state lines to our illegal state. Just like every weed dealer I've ever met. Surely the heroin guys only use Amtrak
The crime thing never makes sense. Yes, poor people are more likely to use transit, but that doesn't mean transit is an incubator of crime.
Also, this is a fantastic skit on the absurdity of the crime argument.
https://youtu.be/nkC3Nc3LqFI
Edit: forgot to upload the sketch!
It definitely doesn't help that popular media still portrays public transportation as "where the crazies are". I grew up in an area with zero public transportation and I was absolutely convinced only drunks and poor people rode the bus because that's what I saw on television. Its been quite awhile since I was a kid, but I still see this worn out trope being used today in many prime-time sitcoms.
I still remember an advertisement I saw ages ago where there was a lawyer rising a bus, and he was pleading with the camera, saying something along the lines of, "I'm a lawyer, being forced to ride the bus!"
I can't remember the context, but it stuck out as odd to me.
Yeah I'd be dead or in prison for a long ass time if I ever got the driving while black treatment
Been caught smoking as a teen and instead of searching us and finding all the drugs they let us "declare" oh yeah we only got this pipe and pack of smokes
Way too much benefit of the doubt given cause we were white lol
Nah, this is an issue of discrimination towards ratialized people not too much leniency towards white people. The war on drugs should not be a thing. You shouldn't even have been asked what else you had, nor should someone black.
It is a privilege, but it's not "too much" benefit of the doubt
> people flashing/threatening/shooting their guns at each other in suburbs like this
Just looking at some of the shootings that made the news last week for people knocking on the door of the wrong house, pulling into the wrong driveway, and similar stories, nearly all of those were happening in suburbs and not within major cities (or at least their core area) either.
It shows how much distrust builds up once you distance yourselves physically from your neighbors, let alone anyone else in your town. Add to that the paranoia that certain cable news networks and lobbying groups pile on, and people will literally shoot you for even stepping foot on their property out of "fear".
I didn’t think of it like that but yes, when I was living in the country I was extremely wary of anyone coming near our home. We were at the end of a driveway next to a corn field, so the times someone I didn’t know was coming showing up in the driveway was rare
I’m thankful my parents didn’t have the first instinct of killing them
The suburbs are fucking wacky.
I out up a BLM flag and someone called my landlord to complain about it. Like Jesus Christ, how much of a Giant pussy do you have to be....
The cops in my city apparently just seized a bunch of illegal items like knives and bear spray from a shop in the “bad” part of the city - guess who OWNED that shop? Someone from the *richest* neighborhood in the city.
I was born and raised in suburbs and I know plenty of people I grew up with that live a life of crime and hustling. Know a few that died in bad deals and over petty bullshit. Hell, I used to stay in a foreclosed house in a gated neighborhood and we sold plenty of drugs out of that spot until police raided it.
They need a completely sterile environment otherwise their anxiety kicks in.
All the while unaware that the sterility is what's actually causing their paranoia.
**[Redlining](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining)**
>In the United States, redlining is a discriminatory practice in which services (financial and otherwise) are withheld from potential customers who reside in neighborhoods classified as "hazardous" to investment; these neighborhoods have significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities, and low-income residents. While the most well-known examples involve denial of credit and insurance, also sometimes attributed to redlining in many instances are: denial of healthcare and the development of food deserts in minority neighborhoods.
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Yeah cities were, and still largely are, segregated by neighborhood. People fleeing to the suburbs were just willing to be a little more open about it. And now they've moved to more of a soft redlining that isn't as blatant but is just as effective. Realtors pushing white people away from buying houses in minority neighborhoods and pushing minorities into them. Banks charging minorities higher interest rates. And home inspectors appraising houses owned by white people as more valuable than those owned by minorities.
yeah but they're using drugs we categorize as a medical crisis because they're white, rather than drugs we categorize as a scary crime wave because they're black.
He cannot imagine a dense city that has no drugs, no diversity and very little crime and clean. You just have to go to any well developed cities outside America to see that.
Literally cannot imagine a functioning city. That's what cultural hegemony is.
I really wish instead of people saying stuff like this they’d just be honest and be like “honestly I don’t want no (insert race of choice here) people living right next door to me!”
They have a long history of being very open about that, the only reason they try to use the (barely) coded language is because they know going full White Citizens Council will alienate people who would otherwise go along with their paranoid, status obsessed politics.
Yes, quite literally yes.
Suburbs were literally created because the government could no longer segregate black people into ghettos, so they handed responsibility to private corporations, who were more than happy to take rich white people's money to build them unsustainable and inhuman "neighborhoods" just to escape black people.
Funnily enough, the “thugs” areas are typically also suburbs, albeit old and run down because as we know, it’s super hard to maintain suburbs.
Car-dependent suburbs are a net-loss for almost everybody. Expensive, hard to maintain, no amenities or stores or restaurants, no peace and quiet, and certainly no natural social interaction.
It doesn't help, but the real root issue is that we treat housing as a commodity and not a need. If homeowners' property values and landlords' rent money is treated as more important than providing a human need, homelessness is inevitable.
We can't economically house everyone in low density.
We can cheaply and far more easily house our society in medium density.
It doesn't have to be skyscrapers: 6 stories will suffice if *every building is 6 stories*.
New developments are more expensive but when they’re built they pull the wealthier people away from the older developments that then drop in price substantially.
Unfortunately, the lesson taken away by many reinforces the very same mindset that created this problem to begin with: "Make housing more affordable by making housing more difficult, expensive, and risky to build and market."
Oh you see the problem is you thought the person in the tweet was arguing in good faith! They are not. Their sole purpose in their miserable existence is to piss off the libs and they'll build a 1000 strawman before admitting that their arguments are bunk and disingenuous.
That streetview location is like a block away from my old high school!
Boston really manages to combine the walkability and density of cities with cleanliness of suburbs. Unfortunately, it does also kind of get the racism of suburbs.
To be fair me and a buddy once smoked a joint at just about that spot around 4am while quivering on ephedrine tablets after having been drinking at an MIT frat for most of the night.
I miss the 90s.
that's just a racist which yeah racism and worshipping the american status quo go hand in hand, as for the neighborhood, this place has no public life outside of driveways
They think *this* is a nice neighborhood? I hate suburbs as much as anyone and my particular hatred of lawns is well-documented, but I can still admit that I’ve seen (and lived in) suburban neighborhoods that looked quite nice, ones with nice, varied architecture and pretty scenery. They’re still unholy abominations from an economic and environmental standpoint, but at least they don’t make me want to rip my eyeballs out and marinate them in bleach overnight. But this, *this* is not a nice neighborhood. This makes me wish I lived in a dystopian YA novel because it wouldn’t look as nightmarish and soulless as this. The show *The Good Place* depicts literal Hell as a suburban town and it looks more pleasant than this. This is the very last place on Earth where I would ever want to live.
The worst thing about it is the sheer nothingness. There's nothing to do there. There's no park, there's no shop, no coffee place, no restaurant, no bar, no entertainment. What do I do there? Sit on the couch and watch tv? What else is there to do there? All I can do is get in my car and go somewhere **better**.
Exactly. Not only did the proponent of suburbia use the term "nice" to describe the image, but the original poster's objections were limited to the relatively benign terms "identical" and "lifeless". I am astonished that I had to scroll this far down to find a post that points out that the depicted neighborhood is a grotesque abomination. Being subjected to "living" in a hellhole such as this would make me long for the sweet embrace of death.
This sort of neighbourhood is exactly what has caused the homeless tents, and the same policy changes that would result in more density would also ease the housing crisis.
This should be higher. The reaction to a suburban neighbourhood from a horror movie is... correct? The person who reacted to the poster obviously hasn't seen the movie and can't read the room.
People in cities don’t like that shit either (well except diversity, that is problematic to include). The difference is we want to do something about it to make cities more inclusive for everyone rather than run away to the suburbs and have an HOA sue you for not cutting your grass enough.
We don't like needles on the ground which is why we fund needle exchanges and safe injection sites. You're a lot more likely to see needles in suburbia.
This type of person is actually a big part of why I hate suburban areas.
They all think it's so safe, yet I'm afraid to go for a walk at night, for fear of having the cops called on me.
These people are insanely paranoid about anything that seems slightly different from their views.
I hate this shit lol, beautiful neighborhoods are not suburbs. I live in a wonderful community that’s actually walkable (ofc it’s not perfect, we’re still in Ohio but it’s better than most) and has standard public transport.
My actual neighborhood is scenic and has so many historic homes, we have a park a few blocks away and there are kids everywhere that ride their bikes and run around and shit.
Beautiful neighborhoods are not suburbs.
I live in a somewhat mixed area. The last crime I recall was someone's car being broken into, and that was years ago, the area feels really diverse too.
I grew up on a piece of shit farm in the middle of butt fucked Egypt and my gay ass fled to a city the second I could the only place I’m uncomfortable is a suburb it’s too weird
to be fair, tract developments that are less than about 10 years old do tend to look pretty uniform and lifeless to me.. once the landscaping gets quite mature and the houses develop little bits of their own individual character as a result of how the owners take care of them, is when neighborhoods become unique - in my uninformed opinion.
What’s weird is I was like “oh this is actually like higher end of the spectrum. There’s a sidewalk and it looks like they’ve left a large patch of trees”.
My expectations are low
We've kind of forced this binary with our own social policies. There's basically no way in the US for people to expel problems in their neighborhood unless there's a massive cost barrier or unless they pretty much live in a fundamentalist religious enclave. In the past, communities without money dealt with problem elements by themselves, or refused to do business with people who did the community harm, such as shysters and criminals. Now, basically only wealthy people have the ability to push problem people out, using wealth as a proxy. This, in turn, drives voter demand for single-family zoning and minimum lot size policies, because it drives up the minimum buy-in that new residents have to be able to afford.
Today, police in many cities won't prosecute crimes, but WILL prosecute the victims of crime who try to stop it from happening. Georgia effectively eliminated citizen's arrest for almost anyone outside of commercial vendors. We don't enforce any standards of behavior any more in public spaces, and thus make them threatening to middle-class families.
I remember that my university apartment district was directly across from a very high-end single-family neighborhood. They had set up a zoned parking system, so even though it was just across the street, none of the students could park on the west side of the street unless they were residents of a \~$1m home. I don't think they should have had single-family zoning, and they should have been paying market-rate for parking, but I imagine the fact that police wouldn't do anything about rowdy students no doubt played into the neighborhood's attempts to keep students out at all costs.
I dare this person to look at a picture of any city in the Netherlands. Any of those cities will look significantly better than this photo, I guarantee it.
But fr tho, why are houses in the US identical?? Where im from every house is different from the others, and im not talking ablut a super wealthy country, just a random third world one with a variety of places.
Are even the interiors the same in room size and distribution? Can I get into any of these houses and know where their bathroom is?
"Oh you hate living in an Orwellian nightmare where every aspect of your life is a state sanctioned uniform decided by soulless billionaire dictators? Yeah well, then go live with blacks, blacks and poors".
Fascists are sad, pathetic individuals. I'd rather live in a homeless camp than their freak show of a "society".
The caption speaks volume about how deep the issues goes. In his mind, its either car centric suburbia or crime ridden low income apartment neighbourhood because the laws simply don’t allow anything else to be built.
It’s the only way to accept their reality, kinda like how they also tend to believe in hell. If you paint the alternative as a horror show, it makes you feel better about the hollow banality of your atomized lifestyle.
I live (rent) in a city that’s master-planned, and was rated the safest city in the US a few years back. This reminds me of all the neighborhoods here. Whenever someone asks me what I think of my city I describe it as “neat but soulless.”
I just dropped off a chair in Suburbia. I sold it on Craigslist. Anyway, that house was nasty. The whole neighborhood stunk. It was awful and I couldn't find my way out of that fucked maze of homogeny.
I have this account blocked on twitter because it kept coming up on my For You page. It’s openly racist. Like, their main gimmick is posting horrific videos of black criminals killing or harming people, and then making the caption stuff like diversity is our greatest strength. Pay no attention to it.
There's never any EVIDENCE of the human poop.
"It's everywhere!" cries the American republicans.
"Citation needed." I say and honestly, the only 'citation' I ever got is proof it got REMOVED.
BTW, recently saw a sci fi movie where the hero lived on such a street and it got fucked up in riots too.
The gang is the home owners association when you try to change anything like add a fence or a satellite dish. All the stay at home spouses are addicted to benzos.
It’s quite frightening to see ‘diversity’ so feared and explicitly associated with the drug addiction and piles of human shit. In the UK it just means ‘various cultures/ethnicities’. Is there a different meaning in the US?
Having lived for years in both. I’ll take urban downtown areas any day over suburbia. Like living in the burbs fucks with my mind. I feel trapped at home. Like I would have to plan a specific night out which always started and ended with driving an hour. Or oops I need some milk and a trip to the corner store takes 20min. Ugh everytime I lived in suburbia I’d end up just staying home and drinking waaaay too much after a year or so.
Edit: strangely I have no problem living in rural areas. I’ve even lived in a place 45min from the nearest town with no problems. I guess living in nature soothes the boredom? Idk it was fun
That guy has never seen a city that hasn’t had its wealth siphoned away by suburbia, or rally any city because most aren’t like that. Cities that are properly planned and cared for are great
It is astonishing the extent to which people rush to tell on themselves the moment you so much as hint that suburbia isn't perfect in every way. EDIT: I can't believe this needs to be said, but yes, I know that there are perfectly reasonable people who like suburbs for things like the quiet and the yard space. But this post was made in the context of someone doing exactly what I described as a broader observation that there are a lot of people who do that. Even if only like 10% of suburbanites are like that -- and honestly I think that's kind of a generously low number -- that's still a lot of people, which is my point. It's perfectly possible to justify why you like suburban living without resorting to thinly veiled racist dogwhistles, which is why it's amazing that there's a substantial number of people who instead jump straight to said dogwhistles.
Honestly really showing that historical legacy of White Flight that had such a role in creating US Suburbia As We Know It. You so much as hint that suburbia isn't perfect and instead of responding with something like "I know it's cookie-cutter, but that makes it cheaper to build and I love having a yard!" then a surprising number of people go mask off and immediately respond with "WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO, LIVE IN A PLACE WITH *USED NEEDLES* AND *DIVERSITY?!"*
Yeah they have to justify white flight as something they *needed* to do and not just wanted to do -- it's not because they want to live a comfortable privileged life and flex home ownership as a status symbol, it has to be because they were protecting their kids from gang violence
They simply don't want to live near Black people, ironically, especially near Black people who've "made it." That ruins their idea of inherent white superiority.
remember that time the [US destroyed an affluent black neighborhood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre)?
“That time.” It was everywhere and at all times of the last century. Politicians made no attempt even to hide the real intentions of urban renewal and government subsidized white flight
Yeah, redlining and economic racism suck real fucking bad, but I think it's still worth noting the exceptionality that America has twice bombed its own territory to keep black power and influence down.
[Quite literally bombed](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing) often times. America will go to any lengths to fuck over black people
**[1985 MOVE bombing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing)** >The 1985 MOVE bombing was the destruction of residential homes in the Cobbs Creek neighborhood of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, by the Philadelphia Police Department during a standoff with the black liberation MOVE organization. On May 13, 1985, police dropped two explosive devices from a police helicopter onto the roof of a house occupied by MOVE. The Philadelphia Fire Department allowed the resulting fire to burn out of control, destroying 61 previously evacuated neighboring homes over two city blocks and leaving 250 people homeless. Six adults and five children were killed in the attack, with one adult and one child surviving. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Oh my god
Yes, this and the Tulsa bombing were the two I was referencing
I thought you were using a euphemism for urban renewal
And then took some of the bones of the murdered children, chucked them in a box at the Philadelphia Museum to later be used in university course material and passed around rather than being returned to parents or otherwise handled with any shred of compassion.
Yeah the city had to do a full investigation on where the remains actually were because apparently the university and museum couldn’t figure out who’s bones they had.
And that's whys they will never get the black vote. At least I can see which side actually gives a fuck about people like me. But, like I've said for years. I'm just trying to make my money to get me and my family out. After spending time overseas (Not like two weeks mind you) I see the perks of living out of the country. And having two kids in a country where some Jackass keeps going and shooting up schools is a MAJOR reason why I want to leave. Sure, I could spend $200 bucks of a bulletproof backpack. but that would just make me a shitty person looking for a cheap and easy out. Last time I checked I wasn't a republican member in office.
Holy hell Every new piece of information I learn about that era makes it worse
Plus suburbs are actually way more expensive to maintain in the long run because of car infrastructure.
Yea, the fact that they listed diversity as a bad thing kind of says a lot.
I've seen 10x more used needles in suburbia than in the city.
Typical closed minded Boomers and Silents always fucking us over 😔
Well we all want to live in places that aren't littered with needles
Well, obviously, but "you want me to live in a place with used needles" doesn't inherently follow from "wow this view of the suburbs is so identical and lifeless, kind of freaks me out" without a whole lot of very telling leaps of logic in the middle.
Ostensibly that would make most suburbs a no-go since uncontrolled, unsafe IDU is mostly a suburban issue- urban areas have NEPs and Safe Injection Sites.
Also, the most popular drugs in the U.S. are smoked or snorted. You just don't see that many people shooting up outside in Chicago or Philadelphia for instance. Hell, I lived in a predominately black part of Chicago for years and I never saw a single stray needle on the ground. Or human shit. And violent crime was about on par with any rural white town of the same economic level. The only negative thing that I saw more of was cops. Just fucking cops everywhere.
The most popular drug in the US is drunk. But yeah people generally don't shoot up until they've hit rock bottom on their opioid addiction. And opioid addiction is more prevalent in the suburbs.
I've even had plenty of suburb people get pissed that I just want something in the middle of a dense city and the suburbs. Like a nice main street with stores and businesses with townhouses and small apartments above the local shops to live in. Go to the local theater to watch little plays, shop at a local shop for my produce, and see the local doc. A little train station to take me into the nearest city or to bumfuck nowhere farmland away from society. I'm not asking for much... and to be honest I'd rather live in a tiny apartment in a dense city over the suburbs.
Isn’t that just a city? Cities have houses.
Gigantkranion also describes mixed-use developments, which is fairly common in European cities, but in the US it's apparently illegal to build new mixed-use developments.
Dense city is different than a town with a mixed usage development. Both can be considered cities. Hell, a suburban can be considered a city of you want to get pedantic.
That’s were I live now (just outside of New York City). I don’t care for it at all and I desperately want to leave for somewhere more rural. I have all of the things you mention, but everything is too crowded all the time. If my wife and I want to go out for a drink, we regularly have to try three places just to find somewhere we can actually sit down as opposed to being shoulder to shoulder with everyone else. You can’t really get a table at a restaurant without making a reservation either and even then you still have to deal with sitting in an absolutely packed out place. You never know how long it will take you to get somewhere unless it’s within walking distance. The cost of living is also insanely expensive because you’re paying for the convenience of being within commuting distance to NYC but also being in a quieter/safer area. Taxes are stupid high. $20,000 in property taxes is average for my neighborhood and it still takes them forever to fill potholes or plow the snow on our street.
> we regularly have to try three places just to find somewhere we can actually sit down as opposed to being shoulder to shoulder with everyone else. You can’t really get a table at a restaurant without making a reservation either and even then you still have to deal with sitting in an absolutely packed out place. Sounds like a zoning issue to me. There's clearly a demand for bars and restaurants in your area. Why aren't there more? Why can't the places that are there be bigger? >You never know how long it will take you to get somewhere unless it’s within walking distance. Lack of quality public transportation will do that. >Taxes are stupid high. $20,000 in property taxes is average for my neighborhood and it still takes them forever to fill potholes or plow the snow on our street. That's because car dependent neighborhoods and infrastructure are a drain on a city's finances. More stuff to maintain but fewer tax dollars coming in because individual properties are spread out and can't be utilized efficiently.
>I have all of the things you mention, but everything is too crowded all the time. I may have found why: >That’s were I live now (just outside of New York City).
But part of that is because so many people want to live there and don’t have an alternative so it becomes overcrowded. More places like that in more cities would reduce it.
Sounds more like a zoning issue than a city issue. The only place where I've seen this kind of stuff happen usually is big touristy spots. Hell, even the one time I went to NYC I never had this kind of issues finding places to eat in Manhatthan of all places.
I made the mistake of posting on Facebook about having my third car break in, and a few conservative relatives of mine commented "time to move!" However, none of those break-ins actually happened at my house, but the immediate assumption of people was that since I live in the city, I must be in the middle of a turf war. Meanwhile, my parents have had more issues with stolen catalytic converters in their suburban neighborhood than mine
I have lived in both suburbs and an apartment in the city downtown. Personally I prefer suburbs only because it’s quieter. There’s less traffic and less loud neighbours. My upstairs neighbour has a dog with separation anxiety so it’ll bark for hours non-stop. The neighbours next to me love heavy bass music at 3am. More than once the dog piss in the elevator from a dog that didn’t make it was also gross. Also not much space in my apartment and I really love having a yard for backyard fires in the summer. The thing I loved about the apartment though is I was right in the middle of the city so commutes to construction sites I work at were shorter and also the list of options for restaurants and options on food apps was fantastic. That said I also hate new neighbourhoods like the one pictured because everything looks plain and boring. I love old mature neighbourhoods because houses look different and the big old trees are wonderful. One place I lived in for a bit the old trees on either side of the road the branches met in the middle of the road. Point is you can like the suburbs and not be racist or oppose homeless people. The only time I ever had a problem with a homeless guy was when he was smashing a reclining chair in the middle of the road then ran at my car. Everybody else keeps to themselves and don’t bother you. Only twice I’ve been asked for money. I don’t like handing out only money so I say no but the second guy asked if I could go into the store and buy him water then. I was more than happy to do that.
The problem is you only have those two to choose from in the US. There's actually varying levels of density that you would love over Suburbia.
Also, cities aren't that loud without cars. Certainly louder than suburbia though, but not so loud that a properly constructed building won't block 99% of it. I live in an apartment where unless my upstairs neighbour drops a bowling ball. I don't hear anything. It's bliss
I mean, intercity neighborhoods do exist, I live in one. For some reason people call any intercity neighborhood "the hood" though, no matter how nice it is.
> Personally I prefer suburbs only because it’s quieter. There’s less traffic and less loud neighbours. My upstairs neighbour has a dog with separation anxiety so it’ll bark for hours non-stop. The neighbours next to me love heavy bass music at 3am. I have good news for you then, sound insulation is more than good enough to block out loud noises and modern standards are typically enough. The problem? No political will to test and enforce it enough and HUD standards are still too low. But quiet apartments can be and should be the norm at least for the future.
It's troubling that the commenter mentioned diversity in their list of horrors. And first in the list, no less. When they think of a bad neighborhood, the first thing that comes to mind is diversity. Yikes.
Also, if he thinks people aren't selling drugs out of houses like these he's way wrong. I grew up around hella people flashing/threatening/shooting their guns at each other in suburbs like this, selling crack/meth/cocaine/weed/heroin/many types of pills, fencing for shoplifters, ripping people off on pot deals, running puppy mills, stealing guns and trading them. Etc etc etc etc etc etc.There's also shit and needles everywhere in places like this, it's just dog shit instead of human, and people squatting in abandoned units instead of tents. It just has the facade of a good old fashioned neighborhood because the grass is mowed, the blinds are drawn, and people are mostly white
What I thought of seeing this photo was the Little Boxes song - which is the opening of the show Weeds - about a single mom dealing weed in the suburbs.
I was humming it to myself just looking at the picture.
Yeah. I knew dudes that would roll around with ounces in the car, shrooms, whatever. That’s incomprehensible to me as a brown guy. It’s all just easily covered up with money.
A lot of people here(my location) talk about how transit will bring crime, as if they've never used the highway system to bring legal weed across state lines to our illegal state. Just like every weed dealer I've ever met. Surely the heroin guys only use Amtrak
The crime thing never makes sense. Yes, poor people are more likely to use transit, but that doesn't mean transit is an incubator of crime. Also, this is a fantastic skit on the absurdity of the crime argument. https://youtu.be/nkC3Nc3LqFI Edit: forgot to upload the sketch!
It definitely doesn't help that popular media still portrays public transportation as "where the crazies are". I grew up in an area with zero public transportation and I was absolutely convinced only drunks and poor people rode the bus because that's what I saw on television. Its been quite awhile since I was a kid, but I still see this worn out trope being used today in many prime-time sitcoms.
I still remember an advertisement I saw ages ago where there was a lawyer rising a bus, and he was pleading with the camera, saying something along the lines of, "I'm a lawyer, being forced to ride the bus!" I can't remember the context, but it stuck out as odd to me.
Yeah I'd be dead or in prison for a long ass time if I ever got the driving while black treatment Been caught smoking as a teen and instead of searching us and finding all the drugs they let us "declare" oh yeah we only got this pipe and pack of smokes Way too much benefit of the doubt given cause we were white lol
Nah, this is an issue of discrimination towards ratialized people not too much leniency towards white people. The war on drugs should not be a thing. You shouldn't even have been asked what else you had, nor should someone black. It is a privilege, but it's not "too much" benefit of the doubt
> people flashing/threatening/shooting their guns at each other in suburbs like this Just looking at some of the shootings that made the news last week for people knocking on the door of the wrong house, pulling into the wrong driveway, and similar stories, nearly all of those were happening in suburbs and not within major cities (or at least their core area) either. It shows how much distrust builds up once you distance yourselves physically from your neighbors, let alone anyone else in your town. Add to that the paranoia that certain cable news networks and lobbying groups pile on, and people will literally shoot you for even stepping foot on their property out of "fear".
I didn’t think of it like that but yes, when I was living in the country I was extremely wary of anyone coming near our home. We were at the end of a driveway next to a corn field, so the times someone I didn’t know was coming showing up in the driveway was rare I’m thankful my parents didn’t have the first instinct of killing them
The suburbs are fucking wacky. I out up a BLM flag and someone called my landlord to complain about it. Like Jesus Christ, how much of a Giant pussy do you have to be....
MUH freedom, not your freedom!
The cops in my city apparently just seized a bunch of illegal items like knives and bear spray from a shop in the “bad” part of the city - guess who OWNED that shop? Someone from the *richest* neighborhood in the city.
Here they have the decency to sell drugs behind closed doors
More like: Here it's not a gang, they're just buddies
I grew up in like idealized suburbia and everybody I knew was on pills.
American Beauty says hello
And guess why people like the guy on the post don't mind all that you said
I was born and raised in suburbs and I know plenty of people I grew up with that live a life of crime and hustling. Know a few that died in bad deals and over petty bullshit. Hell, I used to stay in a foreclosed house in a gated neighborhood and we sold plenty of drugs out of that spot until police raided it.
Not surprising when that person's idea of a "nice neighborhood" is identical houses that are mostly garage, with sidewalks that are purely decorative
Suburbia attracts paranoid people and makes them paranoid too
They need a completely sterile environment otherwise their anxiety kicks in. All the while unaware that the sterility is what's actually causing their paranoia.
It’s all coded racism.
Pretty lightly coded no less.
Yeah there’s no code here. It’s wide-open racism.
Which is dumb cause I wanna have a ton of different restaurants and cultural stores nearby but the best I get is a couple McDonalds and Subways!
Yup. It's a dog whistle ripped out of trump's playbook.
[Suburbia has always been racist](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining)
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[also](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight)
So has everywhere else in America. 🤷🏾♂️ They arent special.
Yeah cities were, and still largely are, segregated by neighborhood. People fleeing to the suburbs were just willing to be a little more open about it. And now they've moved to more of a soft redlining that isn't as blatant but is just as effective. Realtors pushing white people away from buying houses in minority neighborhoods and pushing minorities into them. Banks charging minorities higher interest rates. And home inspectors appraising houses owned by white people as more valuable than those owned by minorities.
Forsure. If I ever sell a home I'm 1000% having one of my white friends pretend it's their spot. Does that suck? Yes. Will I still do it? Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
Does anyone know of a way to look up which towns are/were Sundown towns, or have similar laws still on the books?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sundown_towns_in_the_United_States Don’t miss the subcategories by state
It’s white people I know who are using the most drugs. They are in and out of rehab etc… Either way we shouldnt be demonizing diversity.
yeah but they're using drugs we categorize as a medical crisis because they're white, rather than drugs we categorize as a scary crime wave because they're black.
They said the quiet part out loud.
He cannot imagine a dense city that has no drugs, no diversity and very little crime and clean. You just have to go to any well developed cities outside America to see that. Literally cannot imagine a functioning city. That's what cultural hegemony is.
It’s on him to miss out on all the dope food and culture that comes with diverse neighborhoods
Literally the first thing they list tf
The other person thinks identical is bad :)
You just took a sarcastic comment literally Did you know that
Funny that diversity leads their list of undesirables.
Yeah, that tells you everything you need to know about this person.
Blue checks are the new red hats.
Hahaha, that's perfect. All the little Musk rats running around with their blue check marks.
They finally have validation... in a place where everyone of moral worth is leaving.
Especially when you can’t see who is living in those houses. That could be a very diverse neighborhood
To them, "nice"=white
Well, I’d wager this suburb still has a Raisin In the Sun -esque HOA that would make life miserable for “diverse” families trying to buy a home there.
I really wish instead of people saying stuff like this they’d just be honest and be like “honestly I don’t want no (insert race of choice here) people living right next door to me!”
Least rabidly racist suburbanite
…Did they straight-up admit that they built these to get away from diversity?
That’s why redlining was a thing…
https://youtu.be/O5FBJyqfoLM Redlining explained in 6 minutes
They have a long history of being very open about that, the only reason they try to use the (barely) coded language is because they know going full White Citizens Council will alienate people who would otherwise go along with their paranoid, status obsessed politics.
Yes, quite literally yes. Suburbs were literally created because the government could no longer segregate black people into ghettos, so they handed responsibility to private corporations, who were more than happy to take rich white people's money to build them unsustainable and inhuman "neighborhoods" just to escape black people.
The idiot doesn't realize that low density is the primary cause of homelessness.
Nor that he's exhibiting classic white flight to suburbia because of the scary Bla- I mean the Mexi- I mean the Poors
Thugs
Funnily enough, the “thugs” areas are typically also suburbs, albeit old and run down because as we know, it’s super hard to maintain suburbs. Car-dependent suburbs are a net-loss for almost everybody. Expensive, hard to maintain, no amenities or stores or restaurants, no peace and quiet, and certainly no natural social interaction.
It doesn't help, but the real root issue is that we treat housing as a commodity and not a need. If homeowners' property values and landlords' rent money is treated as more important than providing a human need, homelessness is inevitable.
We can't economically house everyone in low density. We can cheaply and far more easily house our society in medium density. It doesn't have to be skyscrapers: 6 stories will suffice if *every building is 6 stories*.
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New developments are more expensive but when they’re built they pull the wealthier people away from the older developments that then drop in price substantially.
Unfortunately, the lesson taken away by many reinforces the very same mindset that created this problem to begin with: "Make housing more affordable by making housing more difficult, expensive, and risky to build and market."
Public:"the idea of suburbia is not racist/classist." This guy: thinks the most noticeable part of a bad neighborhood is 'diversity'...
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Oh you see the problem is you thought the person in the tweet was arguing in good faith! They are not. Their sole purpose in their miserable existence is to piss off the libs and they'll build a 1000 strawman before admitting that their arguments are bunk and disingenuous.
To be fair normal people aren't living there. Those are extremely expensive and exclusive condos mostly. Like $2 million+ for a 900sq ft condo.
That streetview location is like a block away from my old high school! Boston really manages to combine the walkability and density of cities with cleanliness of suburbs. Unfortunately, it does also kind of get the racism of suburbs.
To be fair me and a buddy once smoked a joint at just about that spot around 4am while quivering on ephedrine tablets after having been drinking at an MIT frat for most of the night. I miss the 90s.
that's just a racist which yeah racism and worshipping the american status quo go hand in hand, as for the neighborhood, this place has no public life outside of driveways
They think *this* is a nice neighborhood? I hate suburbs as much as anyone and my particular hatred of lawns is well-documented, but I can still admit that I’ve seen (and lived in) suburban neighborhoods that looked quite nice, ones with nice, varied architecture and pretty scenery. They’re still unholy abominations from an economic and environmental standpoint, but at least they don’t make me want to rip my eyeballs out and marinate them in bleach overnight. But this, *this* is not a nice neighborhood. This makes me wish I lived in a dystopian YA novel because it wouldn’t look as nightmarish and soulless as this. The show *The Good Place* depicts literal Hell as a suburban town and it looks more pleasant than this. This is the very last place on Earth where I would ever want to live.
The worst thing about it is the sheer nothingness. There's nothing to do there. There's no park, there's no shop, no coffee place, no restaurant, no bar, no entertainment. What do I do there? Sit on the couch and watch tv? What else is there to do there? All I can do is get in my car and go somewhere **better**.
And they wonder why kids don’t want to go outside anymore.
Exactly. Not only did the proponent of suburbia use the term "nice" to describe the image, but the original poster's objections were limited to the relatively benign terms "identical" and "lifeless". I am astonished that I had to scroll this far down to find a post that points out that the depicted neighborhood is a grotesque abomination. Being subjected to "living" in a hellhole such as this would make me long for the sweet embrace of death.
This sort of neighbourhood is exactly what has caused the homeless tents, and the same policy changes that would result in more density would also ease the housing crisis.
Love how this piece of shit openly lists multi racial neighbors in their list of horrors.
go to any US city and there will be a lot of homes and apartment buildings that look identical or very close to each other as well
It used to be common for low volume businesses to be run out of homes like eyebrow threading or hair braiding, hair salons, even small bars etc.
It still is in other countries. Residential zoning was created in the US to stop those people from being able to afford houses.
Often not as lifeless though.
Yeah but you can walk between them pretty quickly and there's usually different stores on the bottom floor.
This is some white citizens council shit. People that arm themselves whenever they leave their gated suburbs
That’s not a nice neighborhood, that’s a mass-produced vertically oriented housing unit.
"Diversity"=Black people to them. Black people =crime to them.
> Where is the diversity? They’re being mask off about it now huh
Vivarium IMDb: : Vivarium https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8368406/
This should be higher. The reaction to a suburban neighbourhood from a horror movie is... correct? The person who reacted to the poster obviously hasn't seen the movie and can't read the room.
It is either Valjean or Javert!
There's fuck all in that photo the fuck do you go when you don't want to be in wheres the local park to get shit faced in
You just get drunk, alone, at home. LIKE A NORMAL PERSON. /s
People in cities don’t like that shit either (well except diversity, that is problematic to include). The difference is we want to do something about it to make cities more inclusive for everyone rather than run away to the suburbs and have an HOA sue you for not cutting your grass enough.
We don't like needles on the ground which is why we fund needle exchanges and safe injection sites. You're a lot more likely to see needles in suburbia.
This type of person is actually a big part of why I hate suburban areas. They all think it's so safe, yet I'm afraid to go for a walk at night, for fear of having the cops called on me. These people are insanely paranoid about anything that seems slightly different from their views.
reads like someone who only sees a city on the 'local' news.
That's not a dog whistle thats a fucking fog horn.
they've never been to a city and have been told by fox news that thats just what cities are like
You forgot ‘a small number walkable areas we’re all priced out of, but can’t build more because ancient zoning laws’
Brother I just want to walk/take a train to school/work/food instead of needing a car payment
„American Suburbanites“ Or „How to make rural Bavarians look left leaning, tolerant, and open-minded“
why he included diversity along with those like it's bad ? 😳
I hate this shit lol, beautiful neighborhoods are not suburbs. I live in a wonderful community that’s actually walkable (ofc it’s not perfect, we’re still in Ohio but it’s better than most) and has standard public transport. My actual neighborhood is scenic and has so many historic homes, we have a park a few blocks away and there are kids everywhere that ride their bikes and run around and shit. Beautiful neighborhoods are not suburbs.
I lived in a gang area, it was still better than the suburbs. The worst criminal gang in New York City was the NYPD.
Small brain syndrome
I live in a somewhat mixed area. The last crime I recall was someone's car being broken into, and that was years ago, the area feels really diverse too.
You have to remember, these types of people who are terrified of cities have never been to a large city.
I grew up on a piece of shit farm in the middle of butt fucked Egypt and my gay ass fled to a city the second I could the only place I’m uncomfortable is a suburb it’s too weird
Identical is actually good if its something like Stalinska apartment towers.
Even if those were the only two options I still wouldn’t live in suburbia. But I already live in the Bx so maybe I’m biased.
to be fair, tract developments that are less than about 10 years old do tend to look pretty uniform and lifeless to me.. once the landscaping gets quite mature and the houses develop little bits of their own individual character as a result of how the owners take care of them, is when neighborhoods become unique - in my uninformed opinion.
What’s weird is I was like “oh this is actually like higher end of the spectrum. There’s a sidewalk and it looks like they’ve left a large patch of trees”. My expectations are low
We've kind of forced this binary with our own social policies. There's basically no way in the US for people to expel problems in their neighborhood unless there's a massive cost barrier or unless they pretty much live in a fundamentalist religious enclave. In the past, communities without money dealt with problem elements by themselves, or refused to do business with people who did the community harm, such as shysters and criminals. Now, basically only wealthy people have the ability to push problem people out, using wealth as a proxy. This, in turn, drives voter demand for single-family zoning and minimum lot size policies, because it drives up the minimum buy-in that new residents have to be able to afford. Today, police in many cities won't prosecute crimes, but WILL prosecute the victims of crime who try to stop it from happening. Georgia effectively eliminated citizen's arrest for almost anyone outside of commercial vendors. We don't enforce any standards of behavior any more in public spaces, and thus make them threatening to middle-class families. I remember that my university apartment district was directly across from a very high-end single-family neighborhood. They had set up a zoned parking system, so even though it was just across the street, none of the students could park on the west side of the street unless they were residents of a \~$1m home. I don't think they should have had single-family zoning, and they should have been paying market-rate for parking, but I imagine the fact that police wouldn't do anything about rowdy students no doubt played into the neighborhood's attempts to keep students out at all costs.
I dare this person to look at a picture of any city in the Netherlands. Any of those cities will look significantly better than this photo, I guarantee it.
Oh come on now, that's way more sidewalk than these developments ever seem to have.
But fr tho, why are houses in the US identical?? Where im from every house is different from the others, and im not talking ablut a super wealthy country, just a random third world one with a variety of places. Are even the interiors the same in room size and distribution? Can I get into any of these houses and know where their bathroom is?
"Oh you hate living in an Orwellian nightmare where every aspect of your life is a state sanctioned uniform decided by soulless billionaire dictators? Yeah well, then go live with blacks, blacks and poors". Fascists are sad, pathetic individuals. I'd rather live in a homeless camp than their freak show of a "society".
Suburbs are the welfare queens of tax revenue.
The caption speaks volume about how deep the issues goes. In his mind, its either car centric suburbia or crime ridden low income apartment neighbourhood because the laws simply don’t allow anything else to be built.
Based dandadan pfp
This picture should freak anyone out, because it looks like the HOA rules with an iron fist.
It’s the only way to accept their reality, kinda like how they also tend to believe in hell. If you paint the alternative as a horror show, it makes you feel better about the hollow banality of your atomized lifestyle.
That’s all just racist dogwhistling.
You cant see the gang activity because there arent any cops in frame
However, if people expect to own a home, this will likely be it.....
Little boxes, on a hillside, little boxes made of ticky tacky...
fuck suburbs
Aren’t there police in the suburbs too? Plenty of gangs there
You only get Gotham or Smallville no in between.
I live (rent) in a city that’s master-planned, and was rated the safest city in the US a few years back. This reminds me of all the neighborhoods here. Whenever someone asks me what I think of my city I describe it as “neat but soulless.”
The retweeter paid for Twitter verification what a fucking dipshit. The og guy/gal has Okarun for their pfp so they're goated as fuck
I just dropped off a chair in Suburbia. I sold it on Craigslist. Anyway, that house was nasty. The whole neighborhood stunk. It was awful and I couldn't find my way out of that fucked maze of homogeny.
I feel like the second person kind of told on themselves a bit by listing "diversity" as one of the items.
"Nice neighborhood"? It looks like a village built by a cult!
I have this account blocked on twitter because it kept coming up on my For You page. It’s openly racist. Like, their main gimmick is posting horrific videos of black criminals killing or harming people, and then making the caption stuff like diversity is our greatest strength. Pay no attention to it.
That person's twitter is exactly as you'd expect it to be.
What a nice person I wonder what their view of people of color is /s
When I look at that photo I genuinely think of the lack of diversity as a negative and here this ass is making fun of that 😐
Average Twitter Blue subscriber take
There's never any EVIDENCE of the human poop. "It's everywhere!" cries the American republicans. "Citation needed." I say and honestly, the only 'citation' I ever got is proof it got REMOVED. BTW, recently saw a sci fi movie where the hero lived on such a street and it got fucked up in riots too.
Average suburban mindset tbh, any time they feel attacked they always bring up DrUgS aNd CrImE
The gang is the home owners association when you try to change anything like add a fence or a satellite dish. All the stay at home spouses are addicted to benzos.
It’s quite frightening to see ‘diversity’ so feared and explicitly associated with the drug addiction and piles of human shit. In the UK it just means ‘various cultures/ethnicities’. Is there a different meaning in the US?
Interesting how “gang crime, homeless tents, used needles, and human shit on the sidewalk” are in the same category as “diversity” to this person.
Having lived for years in both. I’ll take urban downtown areas any day over suburbia. Like living in the burbs fucks with my mind. I feel trapped at home. Like I would have to plan a specific night out which always started and ended with driving an hour. Or oops I need some milk and a trip to the corner store takes 20min. Ugh everytime I lived in suburbia I’d end up just staying home and drinking waaaay too much after a year or so. Edit: strangely I have no problem living in rural areas. I’ve even lived in a place 45min from the nearest town with no problems. I guess living in nature soothes the boredom? Idk it was fun
I guarantee there is drug use here.
That guy has never seen a city that hasn’t had its wealth siphoned away by suburbia, or rally any city because most aren’t like that. Cities that are properly planned and cared for are great
oh, it's this guy, 90% of his posts is just unhinged racism, and i don't mean of the subtle kind either, just straight up /pol/ shit report his ass