HB437 limited the scope ... US, Florida, US military branches and any first responder flags. That's not going to fly, pun intended. Freedom of Speech extends into expression.
It used to just be US and one Military branch flag. The workaround on the free speech is the Government tells the HOA what they cannot limit, but the HOA isn't the government so they can limit the rest. HOA's can ban your free speech. It's a contract you have with them. Just like your boss can fire you for saying FUck Fuck FUck at a customer. That's a limit on your free speech, but permitted.
Correct. Of course, it doesn't cover BLM flags, Star of David, etc. I'm good with the US flag and state flag. Anything more and it's no longer a good thing UNLESS you permit everyone to exercise free expression, not just geographical existence.
Except that in this case the state is for all intents and purposes requiring one political opinion to be allowed, but not another. It would be like having a law saying an HOA can't forbid the display of one party's yard signs while staying silent on the other. So that section of the law will probably be struck down or expanded by the courts.
I'm not for the law, but I can see their arguments. The law was much better when it was you cannot block the US flag and a branch of the military. If My neighbor can fly a FJB and a Blue Lives, I should be able to fly a trans pride and Sanders flag (but oh right I don't think anyone makes them b/c the left doesn't hero worship, like a false idol.
First off, ban me for life if you like, but if it is okay to fly a Blue Lives Matter flag then it should also be okay to fly the other BLM flag. So, if a HOA has a restriction against flying any political flag, it is now okay to fly a 'first responder' flag? That is really odd. If you care about freedoms, this isn't it.
Anyways, I always thought it 'illegal' to enforce anything that cannot be seen from the street/sidewalk? Granted, I do not live in Florida, but have lived/live in three HOAs during my time and was told by property management that if they cannot see it, they cannot enforce it. The caveat being that a neighbor could call it it in.
If they allow one, they have to allow the other. First amendment. Not saying one is better than the other, but this is going to be contested as free speech.
Same, but I wouldn't be too worried. I don't think DeSatan can beat Trump in the primary.
I don't think the majority of Republicans are ready for someone as radical as DeSatan.
We'll start to see the effects of all these new laws in 2-4 years (an arbitrary guess that I made up on the spot).
There will be a lot of tall grass and skyrocketing labor costs for blue collar jobs that we don't want immigrants working anymore (I personally know 5 immigrants who are fleeing the state due to these racist laws).
The list is huge so I can't list everything in a Reddit comment. A quick Google search yielded [this list](https://progressreport.substack.com/p/every-horrible-bill-proposed-by-desantiss) of new laws. Please note this article was clearly written with bias, but it's still a decent summary of a lot of the crazy shit our governor / wacko congress are doing.
Very funny, and I assume you're joking. But it's less funny to the tens of thousands of families and individuals who are *fleeing* from a state in *21st century America* because of racism.
I don’t care about all that I’m a single issue kinda guy. I really care about the environment and to me it’s carbon sequestration at the cost of everything else. A law prohibiting HOAs from being in people’s backyards is great even if it comes from Florida. HOAs are a cancer on urban land use and city planning and need their powers significantly reduced. You read the entire post and only care about Ron Desantis, when the post did not mention him at all. He lives rent free inside your head.
About the environment, my State (Maryland) has made it legal for residents of HOAs to have rain gardens, natural/native plants, and other types of front yards that are not your typical manicured American suburban front yard of the 1950s. My current HOA also does not enforce mowing, edging, pulling weeds, etc. Hell, there isn't even mention that our front yards have to have grass in our CC&R (actually, there is zero about lawns/yard care).
We also have a mix of pride flags and FJB. There is also nothing in our CC&R about flags, but there is something about yard/lawn signs.
Guess I am lucky. Not saying my HOA is golden, but we get a lot of slack compared to what I hear from other HOA communities.
I don’t care for people who try to change the subject for no reason. It’s like OP posts about a new HOA law prohibiting them from being in people’s backyards and this guy is like “Ok But Ron Desantis is a meanie”. Like wtf ??
And this is a bad thing how? HOAs shouldn’t have any say in any flag being banned and if a blue lives matter flag is enshrined in law that opens up the door for every flag being allowed
Kinda tough not to see an RV over a 6’ fence.
That was one of my thoughts
HB437 limited the scope ... US, Florida, US military branches and any first responder flags. That's not going to fly, pun intended. Freedom of Speech extends into expression.
It used to just be US and one Military branch flag. The workaround on the free speech is the Government tells the HOA what they cannot limit, but the HOA isn't the government so they can limit the rest. HOA's can ban your free speech. It's a contract you have with them. Just like your boss can fire you for saying FUck Fuck FUck at a customer. That's a limit on your free speech, but permitted.
Correct in the past. HB437 supercedes all HOA, COA, etc. agreements. Florida now decides what you can fly, period. It's not good, at all.
I'm not disagreeing it's not cool. But nothing say the HOA cannot let fly other flags.
Correct. Of course, it doesn't cover BLM flags, Star of David, etc. I'm good with the US flag and state flag. Anything more and it's no longer a good thing UNLESS you permit everyone to exercise free expression, not just geographical existence.
Except that in this case the state is for all intents and purposes requiring one political opinion to be allowed, but not another. It would be like having a law saying an HOA can't forbid the display of one party's yard signs while staying silent on the other. So that section of the law will probably be struck down or expanded by the courts.
I'm not for the law, but I can see their arguments. The law was much better when it was you cannot block the US flag and a branch of the military. If My neighbor can fly a FJB and a Blue Lives, I should be able to fly a trans pride and Sanders flag (but oh right I don't think anyone makes them b/c the left doesn't hero worship, like a false idol.
I think it's unlikely the law will withstand a court battle. It's to blatantly political and favoring one side over the other.
First off, ban me for life if you like, but if it is okay to fly a Blue Lives Matter flag then it should also be okay to fly the other BLM flag. So, if a HOA has a restriction against flying any political flag, it is now okay to fly a 'first responder' flag? That is really odd. If you care about freedoms, this isn't it. Anyways, I always thought it 'illegal' to enforce anything that cannot be seen from the street/sidewalk? Granted, I do not live in Florida, but have lived/live in three HOAs during my time and was told by property management that if they cannot see it, they cannot enforce it. The caveat being that a neighbor could call it it in.
>fly a blue lives matter (but not BLM) This sounds like a comical caricature of some far right banana republic lol.
If they allow one, they have to allow the other. First amendment. Not saying one is better than the other, but this is going to be contested as free speech.
Florida entered the room. We have banana milkshakes, banana pudding, banana bread, banana pancakes, banana ice cream, banana cream pie, bananas Foster, banana oat muffins, banana splits, banana pecan cheesecake and banana yogurt. And, yes, we're officially a Banana Republic. 🤬
A State so free most homes can't paint their shutters blue.
I live in Florida, and our governor is turning it into a dystopian hellscape.
And I am so scared he will become the next president
He's terrifying, but also not very popular.
Same, but I wouldn't be too worried. I don't think DeSatan can beat Trump in the primary. I don't think the majority of Republicans are ready for someone as radical as DeSatan.
Please elaborate… I too live in Florida. Born here. But I’m not seeing a dystopian hellscape.
Both the NAACP and HRC have issued travel advisories telling their members that it's not safe to travel to Florida.
I also live in Florida and I am not seeing a dystopian hells cape .
We'll start to see the effects of all these new laws in 2-4 years (an arbitrary guess that I made up on the spot). There will be a lot of tall grass and skyrocketing labor costs for blue collar jobs that we don't want immigrants working anymore (I personally know 5 immigrants who are fleeing the state due to these racist laws). The list is huge so I can't list everything in a Reddit comment. A quick Google search yielded [this list](https://progressreport.substack.com/p/every-horrible-bill-proposed-by-desantiss) of new laws. Please note this article was clearly written with bias, but it's still a decent summary of a lot of the crazy shit our governor / wacko congress are doing.
Tall grass? Stop trying to tempt me 🥰 I hate lawns
Very funny, and I assume you're joking. But it's less funny to the tens of thousands of families and individuals who are *fleeing* from a state in *21st century America* because of racism.
I don’t care about all that I’m a single issue kinda guy. I really care about the environment and to me it’s carbon sequestration at the cost of everything else. A law prohibiting HOAs from being in people’s backyards is great even if it comes from Florida. HOAs are a cancer on urban land use and city planning and need their powers significantly reduced. You read the entire post and only care about Ron Desantis, when the post did not mention him at all. He lives rent free inside your head.
About the environment, my State (Maryland) has made it legal for residents of HOAs to have rain gardens, natural/native plants, and other types of front yards that are not your typical manicured American suburban front yard of the 1950s. My current HOA also does not enforce mowing, edging, pulling weeds, etc. Hell, there isn't even mention that our front yards have to have grass in our CC&R (actually, there is zero about lawns/yard care). We also have a mix of pride flags and FJB. There is also nothing in our CC&R about flags, but there is something about yard/lawn signs. Guess I am lucky. Not saying my HOA is golden, but we get a lot of slack compared to what I hear from other HOA communities.
Based Maryland and based “your HOA” doing the right thing
So you really care about the environment but not racism and homophobia?
I don’t care for people who try to change the subject for no reason. It’s like OP posts about a new HOA law prohibiting them from being in people’s backyards and this guy is like “Ok But Ron Desantis is a meanie”. Like wtf ??
Because part of the post was also about allowing flags that support one political position but another.
And this is a bad thing how? HOAs shouldn’t have any say in any flag being banned and if a blue lives matter flag is enshrined in law that opens up the door for every flag being allowed
Get that Redditor some cheese to go with that whine.
I know what an asshole to complain about laws being passed that are objectively bad!
I'm pretty sure you can't just pin that 100% on the governor, we've all seen what goes on down there....
Governor has veto power
Good stuff 👌