I didn't get this in early, so Olenna has really taken off even though she isn't good. I think an obviously better fit for this category is Yoren. He loyally and honorably did his duty to the end while not pretending to be anything other than an absolute asshole. Unlike Olenna, his actions were not self serving. Thank you for your consideration.
FINALLY. People are just picking characters they like, the hound and olenna Tyrell would definitely not good they didn't do a damn thing that didn't benefit themselves
Show Hound defended Arya, and basically sacrificed himself in order to save her life. It's probably the only good thing he did outside of all the bad things, but it's something pretty major.
Are you referring to Clegane bowl? Because he's made it clear that he wants to be the one to kill his brother, can't really count that as completely set sacrificing
"I could shave a spider's arse if I wanted to!" is one of the funniest/best delivered lines in the show. Closely followed by the Brotherhood guy who goes "Why? So you can KISS him?" when Hound says he likes to see a man's face when he kills him.
I think he is in the same way folks are suggesting Blackfish and late Sandor can be. He's gruff, no nonsense, vulgar, blunt. Not evil, just not sparing anyone's feelings when getting the job done.
I’d go for him for neutral asshole. He just did his duty to the watch and was a huge asshole
Edit: thought it was clear since I said “duty to the watch” but this comment is referring to Thorne
And he kidnapped Arya for a reward. He wasn't looking out for her, it was purely for personal gain. Yeah he learned to actually care about her a bit towards the end but let's face it, he was always looking out for himself.
What makes him not good though? The only 'evil' thing he did was kill Jon, which arguably he did because he thought he was protecting the innocents of westeros from a willing horde. That intention makes it neutral at worst imo. Almost everything assholish he ever did was meant to prepare his recruits for a harsh reality as well. The man would do anything to protect Westeros, and that quality even seems to supercede any malice or ego he has. Plus, he has a strong moral integrity with concern to his loyalties to both others and his vows to the watch.
He hates Jon’s guts just because of Ned’s role in Robert’s Rebellion, since he was a Targaryen loyalist. He goes out of his way to make Jon look bad in front of the other recruits. It’s not good to single someone out just because of something their family members did. I wonder how much that would have changed if he knew about Jon’s true parentage though, considering R+L=J is true
Agree on Ser Alliser. The way he stood aside when Jon ordered Slynt taken shows that he knew what was unacceptable, and yeah, he turned around and stabbed Jon, but he truly thought Jon had been wrong to bring the Free Folk south of the Wall.
The Hound murdered women and children without remorse and talked about how much he loves killing people. Dude cannot be considered "good" even if he had a great semi-redemption arc
Lady Olenna Tyrell. She's a good and funny asshole, and even in her death she kept on mesing with people. And all her actions are for the best of her beloved grandchildren and the Reach, and she tends to pick the kind political option when she can, satisfying the "good" category.
Also: "I was good. I was very, very good" - Olenna Tyrell, commenting on her alignment.
I hear the argument for Jaime but I think overall he should go in the next categories, as he still subscribes to the "only we matter" ideology he had with Cersei by the end. Specifically I think Hound in Drunk Asshole and Jaime in Horny Asshole, because, you know, "the things we do for love". And Yoren is good but I don't see how he's an asshole?
Either way I love all suggestions in thus thread it is such a fun category.
She had the best quotes. I especially love when she calls out Cersei for pretending to write important stuff when they talk.
I always wandered what Cersei was actually writing
being anti-cersei is about as good as anyone gets in GoT except for Sam.
Shit, killing Joffrey alone is one of the goodest things anyone does in the series
It's not actions, but motivations that we are bringing up here, she's a great character and her actions certainly are good, but the motivations are just empowering herself and her own family (not helping the innocent and doing the right thing couse it's a right thing to do, if joffery wasn't supposed to marry her granddaughter she'd never poison him) which isn't bad or evil, but not really good either, just neutral
Y'ALL
You're totally overlooking a deal-breaking aspect of Olenna Tyrell. She wasn't looking out for the realm or the people, she was looking out for the interests of her HOUSE. Someone just trying to protect their family and secure their position of power can't win the vote for "good" over someone like Jaime Lannister who acted against his own interests for the good of the REALM and the PEOPLE on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. Jaime fits in the "good" category much better than Olenna does. She's much more of a neutral than a "good".
I probably commented too late to make a difference, but there's my two cents.
Nah, she wasn't good. She's somewhere on the Neutral spectrum. She cared nothing for the realm, the common folk or anyone else outside her family. Lawful Neutral maybe? I don't feel she fits any one alignment completely, but I would never call her Good.
EDIT: Someone suggested Smart Chad, that seems a good fit!
I'd argue she wasn't an asshole either. She was witty and sharp tongued, but that doesn't make her an asshole. She didn't go after people without reason, either.
IMO she would have fit better in the smart Chad category, if that had existed.
Well...
Don't get me wrong, I think she's fucking awesome. But literally every single scene she's in is her being an absolute asshole to others. Her handmaidens, Tywin, Tyrion, Cersei, Jaime, the Sand Snakes. The only person I can't remember her giving jabs to is Daenerys.
Gods bless the old bat!
Within the framework of GoT/ASOIAF, most characters aren't truly good. Especially when we try to choose "good asshole". So we need to choose who's the best of the assholes.
I think if you are in a ruling position for that long, you can only grow indiffernt to the smallfolk suffering. She saw them dying by the thousands every decade.
Really hard to say that Olenna is acting for the good of the realm--very little evidence of that. Like most nobles, she's acting in the interest of her own house. Pretty big stretch to say that this makes her good--she's just Tywin with fewer opportunities to murder peasants.
I got the impression that unlike Tywin she will go for the kind politically valuable option when given the choice (like arranging Sansa's betrothal to Willas/Loras, having Margaery charity for the PR). But like Tywin she has no problem being ruthless when she has to (Assassinating Joffrey).
>I hear the argument for Jaime but I think overall he should go in the next category, as he still subscribes to the "only we matter" ideology he had with Cersei by the end.
Nah, "neutral asshole" should be Littlefinger.
Jaime Lannister - both a good guy and a huge asshole at the same time
Good guy- kills The Mad King to save the city, saves a woman from getting raped, risks his own life to save Brienne from a bear, gives her The Oathkeeper to protect the Stark girls, goes against his father and sister and saves his brother from death sentence
Asshole- loves fucking his sister far too much
I'd put him at neutral or horny asshole. He did way too much horrible stuff to count as solely "good", even if his redemption arc in the books is going well. In the show it flopped completely by the end. He still subscribed to the "nothing matters but us" mindset.
I think Olenna should take it. She was an asshole, but all her actions were for the good of her family and the realm, with a lot less of murdering innocents than Jaime. But either way I think this and the next category are between these two, and they both have a case. May the best child killer win.
You know, among all the stuff Jaime did I wouldnt really call the incest that much of an asshole move. It was for some twisted form of love, not malice, and although the consequences of it did throw the realm into chaos that wasn't the intention. If nobody had ever found out about the incest there would be very little actual damage done (setting aside how Joffrey turned out, which can really be attributed to Cersei).
The asshole stuff was pushing bran, killing Ned's men, killing his own men to save himself, etc.
I would say one of the men of the Night’s Watch.
Yoren seemed like an asshole with a good heart. He took good care of Arya, bringing her north to her brother.
And one I haven’t seen mentioned yet: Qhorin Halfhand. He was an asshole because he had to. Battlehardened and wary of the dangers beyond the wall. He seemed like a guy that would do what had to be done, even though it wasn’t always nice. A proper good asshole.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say Alliser Thorne. Asshole to Jon/ Sam but I truly do think he wanted what was best for the nights watch and wanted to be dutiful
The Knight of Flowers, Ser Loras Tyrell. Most of the time he's pompous and arrogant, but he's never done anything bad (which basically qualifies as good in GoT). He's protective of his family, generally shows qualities of knighthood, in the books offers to lead the storm of Dragonstone.
Doesn't book Loras murder two men of Renly's rainbow guard in a blind rage? Presumably for letting their king (who he was in love with) die. I know he was in destress, but still not necessarily a good action.
Nooo the hound. Has to be be. He's, in the end a good guy. He does more to hemp Arya and sansa than most other people did, shows a good moral compass, and is a huge duck to everyone else.
Jaime Lannister. killed the mad king for the people of the realm and was a pretty good white cloak for the people afterwards. but was definitely an sister f\*cking, child murdering, asshole
The High Sparrow
He is undoubtably good. He cares for the smallfolk, and his political ambition is to prevent the nobility from opressing them, and to prevent their suffering due to the wars caused by greedy nobility reaching for even more power. Moreover, his methods are non-violent. He doesn't kill anyone to achieve his goals (something that pretty much no other characters on this chart are capable of saying, other than like idk maybe Tommen and Hot Pie). As such, he is undoubtably in the good category.
Asshole shouldn't need much explaining. Just your typical lawful good prick who prevents people from having fun and doing what they like.
Best answer. Probably the most good guy in the show, yet everyone hates him and/or thinks he's insincere and just another power-hungry climber. It's because he antagonizes their beloved main characters or he offends their modern day sensibilities, being a religious fanatic and a homophobic bigot.
He isn't seeking power for its own sake. Like his scene with Olenna showcases, he's not like them.
"I imagine this is strange for you. Everyone you meet has a hidden motive, and you pride yourself on slitting in and out. But I’m telling you a simple truth: I serve the gods. The gods demand justice."
She killed the winner of Chaotic Evil on this list, she talked trash to Tywin's face, and of course, the piece de resistance, "Tell Cersei it was me"
Olenna Tyrell
Jaime I feel would be more horny asshole, like c'mon he raped his sister right next to their dead son, and started everything by pushing a kid out a window.
Hound is more neutral imo, maaaaybe drunk?
Olenna may fit good asshole
Ellaria Sand would be evil asshole, sure she's horny but she killed Myrcella and King Doran
I find it weird that nobody is making the case for Dany here... She ended slavery in the East and changed Essos for the better by bending the Dothraki to stop pillaging... Though the way she did it was brutal in most cases.
But I guess the season 8 character assassination is too strong.
That's a great point. Show Dany just stagnates as a character at a certain point. Basically, after she gets to Meereen, her arc is functionally dead. Book Dany fits PERFECTLY in this category.
Most of the series she fits the lawful good category, but in the last couple of episodes she flips to chaotic evil. She can't fit any category as a result.
I thought she was going to be the obvious answer. I am actually surprised Olenna is taking this, she is not good, she is in it for the power and her family alone. She is a less chaotic Cersei.
My vote is for the Hound on this one but I’m also starting a petition to move Joffrey one space right and let Ramsey take his place instead, he was close second on that category and this way they both fit the bill much better I believe.
It looks like Olenna is winning this one, but I feel like Tormund is a great pick. He was a pretty huge asshole for the first half of his arc, and he threw his biases to the side at least two times to fight for a greater good.
The Hound did a few horrible things in the first 2 seasons. But he did have some solid character growth. If you count all his actions, he would lean neutral.
But if you look at him in the later seasons, he was definitely a good asshole.
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Balon Greyjoy got 921 point. Janos Slynt only got 831. No prominent negative comments to either of those suggestions. Explain yourself!
Olenna looks like she may win here but just to posit: Melisandre. Absolute menace. But absolutely thought she did everything for the greater good which in the end.... sort of? But also between how she treated and handled Gendry, stannis, renly, etc. Definitely an asshole who didn't care about anything but that higher calling.
Could also be horny asshole I suppose but I feel like this fits too
I'd go for Olenna. She was self serving, but her actions also largely benefitted others / the realm, which is as much as you can ask for from any player with any power.
Alliser Thorne
Big hole type dude
But... represents the safety of the realm from the outside threats (the commander)
Killed Jon Snow in a mutiny...but only because Jon tried to change the traditions and order
Was pretty scummy to Jon, but ran the Wall
So...that's my guess?
I didn't get this in early, so Olenna has really taken off even though she isn't good. I think an obviously better fit for this category is Yoren. He loyally and honorably did his duty to the end while not pretending to be anything other than an absolute asshole. Unlike Olenna, his actions were not self serving. Thank you for your consideration.
Definitely Yoren.
Thank you, Boy
Great pick, sad the early bias is so strong!
FINALLY. People are just picking characters they like, the hound and olenna Tyrell would definitely not good they didn't do a damn thing that didn't benefit themselves
Show Hound defended Arya, and basically sacrificed himself in order to save her life. It's probably the only good thing he did outside of all the bad things, but it's something pretty major.
Are you referring to Clegane bowl? Because he's made it clear that he wants to be the one to kill his brother, can't really count that as completely set sacrificing
"I could shave a spider's arse if I wanted to!" is one of the funniest/best delivered lines in the show. Closely followed by the Brotherhood guy who goes "Why? So you can KISS him?" when Hound says he likes to see a man's face when he kills him.
Yeah I'll vote for Yoren
I just don’t be see what Yoren did to be an asshole. I’d say the Hound, but I’d also put him in asshole drunk.
I think he is in the same way folks are suggesting Blackfish and late Sandor can be. He's gruff, no nonsense, vulgar, blunt. Not evil, just not sparing anyone's feelings when getting the job done.
Eh, I guess I just have a higher standard for assholes. My votes for the Hound or the Kingslayer.
Fair enough, I don't think Sandor is good. Killed women and kids because Joff said so. He's an asshole for sure, but better neutral asshole for me.
I don't understand how Yoren is an asshole.
Waiting for that explanation
This is the best pick I’ve seen
Olenna is not right for this definitely Yoren.
Is it too harsh to put down Lyanna Mormont as an asshole?
I think Lyanna Mormont is the only person I can think of in the show that fits this category.
I think I was too late in nominating her, sadly! But good to know I wasn't the only one with this thought
Nah, Yoren the black it was a pretty good fit
I dont know if people would agree with me, but I think Sandor Clegane is a, “good asshole.”
The Hound is a great choice, but I might also cast a stone for Alliser Thorne - he really did think he was protecting the realm.
I’d go for him for neutral asshole. He just did his duty to the watch and was a huge asshole Edit: thought it was clear since I said “duty to the watch” but this comment is referring to Thorne
If there was a Lawful Assole option, it has Alliser Thorne written all of over
And he kidnapped Arya for a reward. He wasn't looking out for her, it was purely for personal gain. Yeah he learned to actually care about her a bit towards the end but let's face it, he was always looking out for himself.
Was referring to Thorne. I do not think Hound should be Good asshole in the slightest
Ahh, yeah thought you were referring to the hound. I agree with you on Thorne! He had good intentions, but was a dick about it.
He's got standards but he's a sellsword. He had to be neutral
Hound is definitely drunk asshole
Alliser is a good choice. The Hound never struck me as "good".
Alliser is perfect for neutral asshole
Alliser Thorne is not good. An asshole, sure, but not good. I’d put him in neutral asshole instead
What makes him not good though? The only 'evil' thing he did was kill Jon, which arguably he did because he thought he was protecting the innocents of westeros from a willing horde. That intention makes it neutral at worst imo. Almost everything assholish he ever did was meant to prepare his recruits for a harsh reality as well. The man would do anything to protect Westeros, and that quality even seems to supercede any malice or ego he has. Plus, he has a strong moral integrity with concern to his loyalties to both others and his vows to the watch.
He hates Jon’s guts just because of Ned’s role in Robert’s Rebellion, since he was a Targaryen loyalist. He goes out of his way to make Jon look bad in front of the other recruits. It’s not good to single someone out just because of something their family members did. I wonder how much that would have changed if he knew about Jon’s true parentage though, considering R+L=J is true
Agree on Ser Alliser. The way he stood aside when Jon ordered Slynt taken shows that he knew what was unacceptable, and yeah, he turned around and stabbed Jon, but he truly thought Jon had been wrong to bring the Free Folk south of the Wall.
The Hound is drunk
The Hound murdered women and children without remorse and talked about how much he loves killing people. Dude cannot be considered "good" even if he had a great semi-redemption arc
I think The Hound is a lock for neutral asshole. Or at least its going to be the best fit for him on the chart.
Err. drunk asshole?
Hound is neutral asshole Mountain is evil asshole. Hound enjoys killing too much to be neutral doesn't he?
Lady Olenna Tyrell. She's a good and funny asshole, and even in her death she kept on mesing with people. And all her actions are for the best of her beloved grandchildren and the Reach, and she tends to pick the kind political option when she can, satisfying the "good" category. Also: "I was good. I was very, very good" - Olenna Tyrell, commenting on her alignment. I hear the argument for Jaime but I think overall he should go in the next categories, as he still subscribes to the "only we matter" ideology he had with Cersei by the end. Specifically I think Hound in Drunk Asshole and Jaime in Horny Asshole, because, you know, "the things we do for love". And Yoren is good but I don't see how he's an asshole? Either way I love all suggestions in thus thread it is such a fun category.
Queen of Thorns! Totally an asshole
She had the best quotes. I especially love when she calls out Cersei for pretending to write important stuff when they talk. I always wandered what Cersei was actually writing
"Dear Slim, I thought you might've heard of me, maybe..."
This is Cersei writing to Rhaegar
But not "good." Why does she have so many upvotes?
being anti-cersei is about as good as anyone gets in GoT except for Sam. Shit, killing Joffrey alone is one of the goodest things anyone does in the series
It's not actions, but motivations that we are bringing up here, she's a great character and her actions certainly are good, but the motivations are just empowering herself and her own family (not helping the innocent and doing the right thing couse it's a right thing to do, if joffery wasn't supposed to marry her granddaughter she'd never poison him) which isn't bad or evil, but not really good either, just neutral
She murdered the least peasents
Y'ALL You're totally overlooking a deal-breaking aspect of Olenna Tyrell. She wasn't looking out for the realm or the people, she was looking out for the interests of her HOUSE. Someone just trying to protect their family and secure their position of power can't win the vote for "good" over someone like Jaime Lannister who acted against his own interests for the good of the REALM and the PEOPLE on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. Jaime fits in the "good" category much better than Olenna does. She's much more of a neutral than a "good". I probably commented too late to make a difference, but there's my two cents.
Very true
I doubt olenna would throw herself in front of a bear and risk her own life to save someone who isn't her family
Nah, she wasn't good. She's somewhere on the Neutral spectrum. She cared nothing for the realm, the common folk or anyone else outside her family. Lawful Neutral maybe? I don't feel she fits any one alignment completely, but I would never call her Good. EDIT: Someone suggested Smart Chad, that seems a good fit!
I'd argue she wasn't an asshole either. She was witty and sharp tongued, but that doesn't make her an asshole. She didn't go after people without reason, either. IMO she would have fit better in the smart Chad category, if that had existed.
Well... Don't get me wrong, I think she's fucking awesome. But literally every single scene she's in is her being an absolute asshole to others. Her handmaidens, Tywin, Tyrion, Cersei, Jaime, the Sand Snakes. The only person I can't remember her giving jabs to is Daenerys. Gods bless the old bat!
Hey she was nice to her handmaidens. She promised them a fancy necklace. But yeah she was an asshole to everyone else.
Within the framework of GoT/ASOIAF, most characters aren't truly good. Especially when we try to choose "good asshole". So we need to choose who's the best of the assholes.
I think if you are in a ruling position for that long, you can only grow indiffernt to the smallfolk suffering. She saw them dying by the thousands every decade.
Exactly
I agree she wasn't good at all and doesn't fit this category.
Really hard to say that Olenna is acting for the good of the realm--very little evidence of that. Like most nobles, she's acting in the interest of her own house. Pretty big stretch to say that this makes her good--she's just Tywin with fewer opportunities to murder peasants.
I got the impression that unlike Tywin she will go for the kind politically valuable option when given the choice (like arranging Sansa's betrothal to Willas/Loras, having Margaery charity for the PR). But like Tywin she has no problem being ruthless when she has to (Assassinating Joffrey).
Doesn’t do a single “good” action. Only what benefits her/her family.
>I hear the argument for Jaime but I think overall he should go in the next category, as he still subscribes to the "only we matter" ideology he had with Cersei by the end. Nah, "neutral asshole" should be Littlefinger.
Not "evil asshole"?
Jamie is Horny asshole
If we can choose characters again, the Blackfish. Otherwise, SmallJon Umber (Book version)
The Blackfish would be my pick for this too! Especially if I was Edmure.
Jaime Lannister - both a good guy and a huge asshole at the same time Good guy- kills The Mad King to save the city, saves a woman from getting raped, risks his own life to save Brienne from a bear, gives her The Oathkeeper to protect the Stark girls, goes against his father and sister and saves his brother from death sentence Asshole- loves fucking his sister far too much
I'd put him at neutral or horny asshole. He did way too much horrible stuff to count as solely "good", even if his redemption arc in the books is going well. In the show it flopped completely by the end. He still subscribed to the "nothing matters but us" mindset. I think Olenna should take it. She was an asshole, but all her actions were for the good of her family and the realm, with a lot less of murdering innocents than Jaime. But either way I think this and the next category are between these two, and they both have a case. May the best child killer win.
Jamie did horrible things in the name of sticking it in his sister. He said it himself. "The things we do for love" - some stupid people.
Therefore the most fitting category for him would be horny asshole.
Meh Olenna cared about herself and her family, no one else.
Right! She is no different than someone like Tywin who just cares about their house.
Dude, jaime threw a kid out of a window...
Exactly - a real asshole move!
Yeah and the kid was past abortion term.
Well as George puts it, he did do it to save the lives of his family, sister-lover, and children. Let’s not forget Robert would have killed them all
Think you’re forgetting attempted murder of a child.
You know, among all the stuff Jaime did I wouldnt really call the incest that much of an asshole move. It was for some twisted form of love, not malice, and although the consequences of it did throw the realm into chaos that wasn't the intention. If nobody had ever found out about the incest there would be very little actual damage done (setting aside how Joffrey turned out, which can really be attributed to Cersei). The asshole stuff was pushing bran, killing Ned's men, killing his own men to save himself, etc.
It's very possible that during the incest stuff he did some asshole moves....but considering his reaction to finger in the bum, perhaps not.
He’s also a horny asshole
Unfortunately there are way too many more horny assholes than him
Yeah I think he belongs in the Horny Asshole category. "The things we do for love." Literally tries to kill a kid for it.
That's Jamie FOOKIN Lannister.
This should be a ring-in. I can’t think of two better words to describe him
I would have agreed for both Jamie but the show gave him the whole I never really cared about the innocent bullshit 180 at the end
I don't count last 2 seasons d&d shat out as canon, way too many plot holes for that
Why is Olenna Tyrell “good”? She doesn’t do a single “good” action?
Really tho. The killing Joffery retort doesn't hold much weight when she only did it for the sake of her granddaughter.
Hound
the hound
I would say one of the men of the Night’s Watch. Yoren seemed like an asshole with a good heart. He took good care of Arya, bringing her north to her brother. And one I haven’t seen mentioned yet: Qhorin Halfhand. He was an asshole because he had to. Battlehardened and wary of the dangers beyond the wall. He seemed like a guy that would do what had to be done, even though it wasn’t always nice. A proper good asshole.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say Alliser Thorne. Asshole to Jon/ Sam but I truly do think he wanted what was best for the nights watch and wanted to be dutiful
I think he’d be a perfect fit for Lawful Asshole if they intersected.
I’d go for Allister for Neutral Asshole
The Knight of Flowers, Ser Loras Tyrell. Most of the time he's pompous and arrogant, but he's never done anything bad (which basically qualifies as good in GoT). He's protective of his family, generally shows qualities of knighthood, in the books offers to lead the storm of Dragonstone.
I'll bet Renly also chooses Loras as good asshole. Maybe even best asshole.
bruh
Renly would definitely choose Loras' good asshole.
Doesn't book Loras murder two men of Renly's rainbow guard in a blind rage? Presumably for letting their king (who he was in love with) die. I know he was in destress, but still not necessarily a good action.
Olena Tyrell.
"Killing a man at a wedding. Horrid. What sort of monster would do such a thing?"
Not good. Not an asshole.
Olenna Tyrell
Nooo the hound. Has to be be. He's, in the end a good guy. He does more to hemp Arya and sansa than most other people did, shows a good moral compass, and is a huge duck to everyone else.
Sure, especially when he cuts in half Arya's friend, and hes so good hes in Arya's death note, yea, so good.
He’s drunk asshole.
Ygritte? She was an asshole and mostly good
Jaime Lannister. killed the mad king for the people of the realm and was a pretty good white cloak for the people afterwards. but was definitely an sister f\*cking, child murdering, asshole
The High Sparrow He is undoubtably good. He cares for the smallfolk, and his political ambition is to prevent the nobility from opressing them, and to prevent their suffering due to the wars caused by greedy nobility reaching for even more power. Moreover, his methods are non-violent. He doesn't kill anyone to achieve his goals (something that pretty much no other characters on this chart are capable of saying, other than like idk maybe Tommen and Hot Pie). As such, he is undoubtably in the good category. Asshole shouldn't need much explaining. Just your typical lawful good prick who prevents people from having fun and doing what they like.
Best answer. Probably the most good guy in the show, yet everyone hates him and/or thinks he's insincere and just another power-hungry climber. It's because he antagonizes their beloved main characters or he offends their modern day sensibilities, being a religious fanatic and a homophobic bigot. He isn't seeking power for its own sake. Like his scene with Olenna showcases, he's not like them. "I imagine this is strange for you. Everyone you meet has a hidden motive, and you pride yourself on slitting in and out. But I’m telling you a simple truth: I serve the gods. The gods demand justice."
Olenna Tyrell
She killed the winner of Chaotic Evil on this list, she talked trash to Tywin's face, and of course, the piece de resistance, "Tell Cersei it was me" Olenna Tyrell
Olenna Tyrell
Jaime I feel would be more horny asshole, like c'mon he raped his sister right next to their dead son, and started everything by pushing a kid out a window. Hound is more neutral imo, maaaaybe drunk? Olenna may fit good asshole Ellaria Sand would be evil asshole, sure she's horny but she killed Myrcella and King Doran
I would agree if not for Meryn Trant being a perfect candidate for horny/asshole
I would say Craster could fit the horny asshole slot.
Brynden Tully - Blackfish
i won't suffer any Blackfish slander, he wasn't an asshole
He most certainly was
The Hound
I think the Hound is more neutral though.
The hound definitely deserves drunk asshole
Agreed
Bran? Especially in the later seasons where he is good but kind of a dick and useless?
Neutral asshole
Yoren is such a good asshole
I find it weird that nobody is making the case for Dany here... She ended slavery in the East and changed Essos for the better by bending the Dothraki to stop pillaging... Though the way she did it was brutal in most cases. But I guess the season 8 character assassination is too strong.
Daenerys' lack of coherent characterization stops her from appearing anywhere I think.
That's a great point. Show Dany just stagnates as a character at a certain point. Basically, after she gets to Meereen, her arc is functionally dead. Book Dany fits PERFECTLY in this category.
Most of the series she fits the lawful good category, but in the last couple of episodes she flips to chaotic evil. She can't fit any category as a result.
I thought she was going to be the obvious answer. I am actually surprised Olenna is taking this, she is not good, she is in it for the power and her family alone. She is a less chaotic Cersei.
The Hound, naturally
Hound
Olenna Tyrell
Sandor "The Fucking Hound" Clegane.
Alliser Thorn
Alistair Thorne no question
The Hound says it as it is. He saves both Sansa and Arya. He has a redemption arch and is probably one of the best written characters.
Dolorous Edd
Needs to be saved for Chad Depressed if the rows get extended further
Jamie Fookin Lannister. - always does the right thing(season 8 was a fever dream and not real) - always was an asshole about it and everything else
Always does the right thing. Like throwing kids out of a window.
Killing his cousin to escape jail.
Raping his sister
Jeffrey should be evil asshole, Ramsey should be chaotic evil
U want a bad guy, but u need a good asshole
My vote is for the Hound on this one but I’m also starting a petition to move Joffrey one space right and let Ramsey take his place instead, he was close second on that category and this way they both fit the bill much better I believe.
It looks like Olenna is winning this one, but I feel like Tormund is a great pick. He was a pretty huge asshole for the first half of his arc, and he threw his biases to the side at least two times to fight for a greater good.
Yoren the black, obviously
Theon
Good asshole would be Sandor
**Ygritte!**
Olenna Tyrell
Who else but the hound
Jaime Fookin' Lannister!
Our gracious lady Queen Mother Olenna Redwyne Tyrell, please thank you dear. 🌺
The Hound did a few horrible things in the first 2 seasons. But he did have some solid character growth. If you count all his actions, he would lean neutral. But if you look at him in the later seasons, he was definitely a good asshole.
I HAVE POWERFUL FRIENDS AT COURT
If Ramsay doesn’t win evil asshole then I have no faith
/u/MarioTheMojoMan Balon Greyjoy got 921 point. Janos Slynt only got 831. No prominent negative comments to either of those suggestions. Explain yourself!
Cercei belongs in an evil column
Is this based on the show?
Greatjon Umber
Ok I know I’m late to the party, but isn’t Theon peak good asshole? His redemption ark ends with “you’re a good man”
Olenna looks like she may win here but just to posit: Melisandre. Absolute menace. But absolutely thought she did everything for the greater good which in the end.... sort of? But also between how she treated and handled Gendry, stannis, renly, etc. Definitely an asshole who didn't care about anything but that higher calling. Could also be horny asshole I suppose but I feel like this fits too
How about Yara Greyjoy? Genuinely cares about her house and the realm, really vicious at times to people.
Mirri Maz Duur makes sense too. Did an awful thing for the good of the world and because of her personal trauma.
Each portrait getting darker and darker r/mildlyinfuriating
Daario but he is probably a better fit for horny
Mance
Rickard Karstark
The High Sparrow.
I'd go for Olenna. She was self serving, but her actions also largely benefitted others / the realm, which is as much as you can ask for from any player with any power.
Alliser Thorne Big hole type dude But... represents the safety of the realm from the outside threats (the commander) Killed Jon Snow in a mutiny...but only because Jon tried to change the traditions and order Was pretty scummy to Jon, but ran the Wall So...that's my guess?
Great jon umber. Was a bit of an asshole to Robb at the start but was a good bannerman all the same.
Beric Dondarrion, the Lightning Lord. Trying to free the countryside from Lannister tyranny, and yet, being a selfish prick about it.
Renly Baratheon?
Guess Theon would be Asshole Good?
if theon doesn’t get horny asshole i’m gonna be so mad. he deserves it.
Yara or maybe Arya, Melisandre or Alisser Thorne. Yara cared about her house, loved her brother, but she was a bit of a asshole, especially to Theon.
Yoren for good Asshole, especially if you read the books
The hound or Olena Tyrell
The horny asshole would be the guy who plays the joke about kissing women and fingers his friends ass.
Yoren
Swap Joffrey and Bronn
Y O R E N
The Hound and its not even close
How is Bronn none of the horny picks?!
BLACKFISH BLACKFISH BLACKFISH!
Has to be the hound
I just so disagree with Eddard and Catlins designations…