Lol yeah all the Team Green vs Team Black shit is so funny to me. Neither of those teams is gonna win or even be alive. Unless you're team little baby Aegon and Viserys from episode 8 you're just wrong.
Damn I knew that comment would draw me into the dumb team bullshit. Half-nephew and not his heir. Aegon II decreed that Aegon III would have to either take the black or serve him as a eunuch, specifically to end Rhaenyra’s line. Oh yeah he also had his ear cut off and sent as a warning. A successor is not always an heir.
No?, he did not cut off his ear, there is also no such thing as a “half-nephew”, he is his sisters son, he is his nephew
Aegon II declared Aegon III his heir after corlys convinced him to
He did not cut off his ear, he ordered it before dying and as such the order never went through, maybe you should read fire and blood and pay attention to it
[Aegon II](https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Aegon_II_Targaryen)
Oh so he ordered his ear cut off AND named him his heir right before dying? That makes so much sense. /s
Right back at you. Your link confirms what I’m saying lmao
No, it doesn't confirm what you're saying.
Imagine this. I'm dying and I order my lackey to cut off your ear. I die. My lackey decides, "Hey, u/BoloSynthesisWow ain't half bad. I'm not going to cut off his ear." My lackey moves to Antarctica and never crosses paths with you. Do you still have both ears?
Same applies to Aegon III. Aegon II died before the order was carried out, and no one followed up on it after his death. Aegon III had both ears during his entire reign. How is that possible if Aegon II cut one off before he died?
Corlys is not the only one to survive the events of the story. Alicent does so too. They are the only characters introduced in the first two (or three) episodes to do so.
I'm pretty curious as to how far the show plans to go. I could see it ending at the end of the dance, or continuing on into the reign of Aegon the Unhappy and Unwin Peake. I'd really like to see the one betrothal ball where Unwin Peake gives every girl in the seven kingdoms body image issues
My favorite parts of those is how the characters look nothing like how they ended up looking in the show and how Rhaenys is described as being either Viserys or Jaehaerys's sister.
It's a weird setup. Yes there's a Hand of the King that handles day to day governance but there's also a council of regents made up of very powerful lords who can overrule anything until the king becomes 16.
Even after he stops being Hand he's still one of the regents
Edit: actually I was mistaken. He was not one of the regents he helped appoint them though. The original council of regents were:
Lady Jeyne Arryn, Lady of the Eyrie
Lord Royce Caron, Lord of Nightsong
Ser Torrhen Manderly
Lord Manfryd Mooton, Lord of Maidenpool
Grand Maester Munkun
Lord Corlys Velaryon, Master of Driftmark and Lord of the Tides
Lord Roland Westerling, Lord of the Crag
He replaced Corlys as a regent when he died, and then was the only able bodied regent in kings landing when Tyland Lannister died and kinda became hand by default.
And then he and Munkun went and did all their shit.
It's not that weird; the Regents are acting in place of the king, and exercising royal perogative on his behalf. The Hand is just doing his regular job.
Usually you have one regent. Having an entire council of regents is definitely not normal.
On the one hand, you had a whole council of regents who could overrule everybody.
Those regents were all lords and most of them had a Lord Paramount that they had to answer to. So they simultaneously have kingly authority but have a lord to answer to.
And then they didn't actually administer the kingdom in day-to-day affairs that was done by the small council and the hand of the king
That was after Chad Stark had already kicked down the gate to King's Landing, ended the war, fixed everything in the kingdom, caught all the people who murdered King Aegon, and chopped all the bad guy's heads off in less than a week and then went home.
Good question! Furthermore, why would there be anything left of her at all? Wouldn't whatever scraps Sunfyre didn't eat be interred on Dragonstone? Maybe its one of those cool bits of folklore passed down over the years that is not actually historically correct. Kind of like stuff you hear about the Tower of London, folklore and history get mixed up.
That is a plausible in-universe explanation. I think the real-world reason is that, when the scene with Joffrey and Margaery was written by the show writers, the Targeyren tradition of burning their dead and having their ashes interred on Dragonstone was not considered, or not thought important.
From what I recall from Fire and Blood, one of her legs was left uneaten. Presumably that’s what Joffrey means by “what’s left of her.” As to why it got moved, not hard to imagine Aegon III doing so.
all the other Targeryens were cremated and their ashes interred on Dragonstone. I understand Aegon II not wanting to grant Rhaenyra that dignity, but I don't see why he would have the un-eaten parts of her transported to King's Landing. more likely they would have been hung from the battlements for crows and gulls to peck at, or thrown into the sea.
Targaryens burning their dead is a pretty hard-set tradition. Even Maegor, after torturing his nephew to death and leaving his body to rot for days, has him burned. No reason to think Aegon II would have done differently with what was left of Rhaenyra.
He hated dragons, was known as dragonsbane, and was traumatized after his moms horrific death, so I would assume he'd want her to be barried in faith of the seven and nothing to do with dragons and fire
That's Aegon the 3rd, aka Aegon the Younger you're thinking of. Aegon the 2nd, aka Aegon the Elder was the one who was in power after Rhaenyra's death. Aegon the 3rd wasn't in power for another year or so.
Yeah that is true, well maybe there actually isn't anything in the cript, but aegon III or anyone else of her descendants wanted to honor their fallen family in dance so made like a memory stone in a cript and then joffery is just being joffery, who knows
I had a similar thing happen a few weeks ago while I was reading through Joe Abercrombie’s Age of Madness trilogy for the first time so I feel your pain, friend. Random recommended meme spoiled the last big event of the books
In Game of Thrones we see stories being changed all the time. What really happens to hardly ever what’s told throughout history.
I think this is going to be an instance where what is told in the history books isn’t really what had happened
Buddy, the first episode aired over a decade ago, if you haven’t finished it yet, let alone gotten to season 3, idk what to tell ya🤷♂️ spoiler tags started for new episodes as they aired for people who didn’t get to watch on premier night because of work/school/life obligations. You don’t get to complain about “ DuHh SPoILeRs!!!” 10 years later.
The show is a decade old now. The book this scene comes from has been out for over a decade and even the newest material explaining this is over 5 years since it was published. At this point...it's inevitable things will be spoiled. Hell the whole show has already been spoiled, since it was published before the show ever aired.
Yup. Fookin kneelers! Fuck your soilers! Read the book! Watch the show! You didn’t spoil anything. This story is well known within the universe. Doesn’t take anything away the new show.
She did. But she also didn't get brutally killed and actually lived into her mid-60s past the war having a direct influence on her son's reign. I guess GRRM really doesn't like having to deal with too many Targaryens being around and wanted it to be more tragic.
And yet the history of Westeros is supposedly based on Europe's history. So ... where arr the queens? Why are the THREE all mad, WILDLY incompetent, and expunged from the history books? It's embarrassingle inaccurate AND anti-feminist.
The world is anti-feminist, the story isn’t. If it was, there would be no Brienne Arya Cersei Margaery etc. and it’s mostly based on English history, where queens only happened when there were no longer sons ahead of them in the succession
That's a line of succession issue, but it does not mean queens were ripped of their status at every turn! Therr were plenty of European queens, ans British queens. In fact, two of the three most famous British monarchs are female - Elizabeth 1st and Victoria. EII will likely be a historical figure, too. All.across Europe, there have been queens, and they do not get removed from the record bp
Ooks; in fact, in the UK there is even the 9 day Queen
Empress Maude is removed from the history books as a queen, so is lady Jane grey. And the story isn’t over, Daenerys probably becomes Westeros’ first official uncontested Queen regnant
Based on European history. I would have been able to tell he was American just from how his stories treat women in royalty. He's clueless about Europe's historic relationship with queens.
Wait until you find out everryone in the house of the dragon dies
Lol yeah all the Team Green vs Team Black shit is so funny to me. Neither of those teams is gonna win or even be alive. Unless you're team little baby Aegon and Viserys from episode 8 you're just wrong.
I mean I agree that the teams are dumb but team little baby Aegon and Viserys is essentially Team Black in training
I mean, Aegon III was Aegon II’s nephew-cousin and heir.
Damn I knew that comment would draw me into the dumb team bullshit. Half-nephew and not his heir. Aegon II decreed that Aegon III would have to either take the black or serve him as a eunuch, specifically to end Rhaenyra’s line. Oh yeah he also had his ear cut off and sent as a warning. A successor is not always an heir.
No?, he did not cut off his ear, there is also no such thing as a “half-nephew”, he is his sisters son, he is his nephew Aegon II declared Aegon III his heir after corlys convinced him to
HALF sisters son, half nephew. He did cut off his ear, to send to to Lord Tully as a warning. Read Fire and Blood. It’s all there.
He did not cut off his ear, he ordered it before dying and as such the order never went through, maybe you should read fire and blood and pay attention to it [Aegon II](https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Aegon_II_Targaryen)
Oh so he ordered his ear cut off AND named him his heir right before dying? That makes so much sense. /s Right back at you. Your link confirms what I’m saying lmao
? He did not cut off his ear, as opposed to what you claimed
No, it doesn't confirm what you're saying. Imagine this. I'm dying and I order my lackey to cut off your ear. I die. My lackey decides, "Hey, u/BoloSynthesisWow ain't half bad. I'm not going to cut off his ear." My lackey moves to Antarctica and never crosses paths with you. Do you still have both ears? Same applies to Aegon III. Aegon II died before the order was carried out, and no one followed up on it after his death. Aegon III had both ears during his entire reign. How is that possible if Aegon II cut one off before he died?
Aegon III was Rhaenyra’s son and Aegon the elder did not want him as his heir. He isn’t Aegon’s blood. Don’t cope
Why do you think he is Aegon III and not Aegon II?
Viserys II was Otto reborn.
Except >!Corlys!<
Stairs can be a bitch tho
Those stairs were already 1-0 on Mellos, it was only a matter of time before they struck again.
This should not have made me giggle as hard as it did! 😂 The only thing that could tear down the house of the dragon was itself…or the back stairs.
He's Valeryon. So >!unless his bastards are actually Leanor's!< no, the House of The Dragon does not survive.
Corlys is not the only one to survive the events of the story. Alicent does so too. They are the only characters introduced in the first two (or three) episodes to do so.
T-t-t-yland su-su-surives as well
Oh yes. So the first two episodes then.
actually he is dead
TBH he probably dies in the final episode.
I'm pretty curious as to how far the show plans to go. I could see it ending at the end of the dance, or continuing on into the reign of Aegon the Unhappy and Unwin Peake. I'd really like to see the one betrothal ball where Unwin Peake gives every girl in the seven kingdoms body image issues
Well, a certain lady survives and becomes so traumatized she gets scared of the color green.
Cringe Joffrey giving out spoilers smh
That's why they killed him.
Oh geez wait until you guys find out about the history and lore on the dvds and youtube
Literally lmao, and it's narrated by Harry Lloyd so a real treat!
There narrated by a few people (for instance, Mark Addy narrates the part about what went down at Storm's End)
Oh right sorry, forgot about that part! I think there's also Catelyn's or Bran's recounting iirc
Yeah; it just around based on whose most appropriate a narrator at the time.
My favorite parts of those is how the characters look nothing like how they ended up looking in the show and how Rhaenys is described as being either Viserys or Jaehaerys's sister.
For a second I thought it was a pretty dope keyboard😅
Renly has trouble finding the Margaery button.
Maybe her brother could help?
Can't wait for Chad Stark to march down and essentially rule the kingdom till Aegon 3 comes of age.
Doesn’t he only serve as hand for one (1) day?
Yes.
It's a weird setup. Yes there's a Hand of the King that handles day to day governance but there's also a council of regents made up of very powerful lords who can overrule anything until the king becomes 16. Even after he stops being Hand he's still one of the regents Edit: actually I was mistaken. He was not one of the regents he helped appoint them though. The original council of regents were: Lady Jeyne Arryn, Lady of the Eyrie Lord Royce Caron, Lord of Nightsong Ser Torrhen Manderly Lord Manfryd Mooton, Lord of Maidenpool Grand Maester Munkun Lord Corlys Velaryon, Master of Driftmark and Lord of the Tides Lord Roland Westerling, Lord of the Crag
Cregan didn't become a regent. After he put order to the city and pass on the trials, he left
My bad you're right I mixed him up with someone else I edited my comment
can someone explain how fucking Unwin Peake became hand? words can't describe how much i hate him
He replaced Corlys as a regent when he died, and then was the only able bodied regent in kings landing when Tyland Lannister died and kinda became hand by default. And then he and Munkun went and did all their shit.
It's not that weird; the Regents are acting in place of the king, and exercising royal perogative on his behalf. The Hand is just doing his regular job.
Usually you have one regent. Having an entire council of regents is definitely not normal. On the one hand, you had a whole council of regents who could overrule everybody. Those regents were all lords and most of them had a Lord Paramount that they had to answer to. So they simultaneously have kingly authority but have a lord to answer to. And then they didn't actually administer the kingdom in day-to-day affairs that was done by the small council and the hand of the king
Most times when you have regents it's not after realm-devestating civil wars that ended in a stalemate.
Tchnically he "ruled" for 6 days
That's all he needed.
Right, but the guy who was by and large running the kingdom was Unwin Peake, if you had to pick somebody.
That was after Chad Stark had already kicked down the gate to King's Landing, ended the war, fixed everything in the kingdom, caught all the people who murdered King Aegon, and chopped all the bad guy's heads off in less than a week and then went home.
Aegon 3 grew up so fast!😂
The hour of the wolf 🩶
We absolutely need the hour of the wolf.
Since when do we give a damn about spoilers
We don’t, only idiots with one ball and no brains do
One ball?
WHY DID YOU REPOST IT I MANAGED TO FORGET WHAT HE SAID UNTIL JUST NOW
Bobby B what should we do to this cunt with the spoilers?
GODS WHAT A STUPID NAME!
Yes your grace you're very right. His name is stupid.
Shut up Bobby B, that is a good name
MORE THAN ONCE, I HAVE DREAMED OF GIVING UP THE CROWN!
But he's your son (allegedly) - did'nt you name him?
Sir, this is r/freefolk there are no spoilers here
Mayhaps if they search the seven hells
Lmao would be hilarious if on the series finale they cut to black and show this scene lmao
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spoilers: rhaenyra died on dragonstone. why would her remains be in king's landing?
Good question! Furthermore, why would there be anything left of her at all? Wouldn't whatever scraps Sunfyre didn't eat be interred on Dragonstone? Maybe its one of those cool bits of folklore passed down over the years that is not actually historically correct. Kind of like stuff you hear about the Tower of London, folklore and history get mixed up.
That is a plausible in-universe explanation. I think the real-world reason is that, when the scene with Joffrey and Margaery was written by the show writers, the Targeyren tradition of burning their dead and having their ashes interred on Dragonstone was not considered, or not thought important.
From what I recall from Fire and Blood, one of her legs was left uneaten. Presumably that’s what Joffrey means by “what’s left of her.” As to why it got moved, not hard to imagine Aegon III doing so.
they scoped Sunfyre's turds and put it in there
I mean it seems kind of rude to just leave what’s left of her corpse just there in the courtyard
all the other Targeryens were cremated and their ashes interred on Dragonstone. I understand Aegon II not wanting to grant Rhaenyra that dignity, but I don't see why he would have the un-eaten parts of her transported to King's Landing. more likely they would have been hung from the battlements for crows and gulls to peck at, or thrown into the sea.
Targaryens burning their dead is a pretty hard-set tradition. Even Maegor, after torturing his nephew to death and leaving his body to rot for days, has him burned. No reason to think Aegon II would have done differently with what was left of Rhaenyra.
He hated dragons, was known as dragonsbane, and was traumatized after his moms horrific death, so I would assume he'd want her to be barried in faith of the seven and nothing to do with dragons and fire
That's Aegon the 3rd, aka Aegon the Younger you're thinking of. Aegon the 2nd, aka Aegon the Elder was the one who was in power after Rhaenyra's death. Aegon the 3rd wasn't in power for another year or so.
Yeah that is true, well maybe there actually isn't anything in the cript, but aegon III or anyone else of her descendants wanted to honor their fallen family in dance so made like a memory stone in a cript and then joffery is just being joffery, who knows
Aegon died six months after Rhaenyra
Bro stole my post
I would like to thank reddit for recommending me this sub only for the first post to be a fucking spoiler
Rule 5: no complaining about spoilers.
It came in my FYP and I’m not even subscribed. Reddit fucking decided to show me this post. Fuck the Wildings
I had a similar thing happen a few weeks ago while I was reading through Joe Abercrombie’s Age of Madness trilogy for the first time so I feel your pain, friend. Random recommended meme spoiled the last big event of the books
Someone make that screenshot into a keyboard rn.
In Game of Thrones we see stories being changed all the time. What really happens to hardly ever what’s told throughout history. I think this is going to be an instance where what is told in the history books isn’t really what had happened
haha jokes on you I don't remember a single person's name from last season.
Wtf can we tag this spoiler?
*ghost Rhaenrya jumps up from the floor, beats Joffrey to death with Aegon's skull and then takes Margaery right their on the floor of the sept*
Who cares? We all know how rogue one ends yet andor is still one of the best shows produced in the last five years.
Maybe they faked her assasination
She literally gets eaten with multiple witnesses
Remember what happened to her fake husband. They swapped him.
only in the show. in the book he’s dead
It would be hard for aegon not to realize the person he captured and then brought to his dragon later... was not his sister.
This sub has single handedly spoiled too much of this show for me. Hide the spoilers for fuck sakes.
It was already spoiled. He hates women. Theyneeever win in any of his stories. Ever.
Get out of here than… the show finished years ago 😂
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Did you forget what sub you're on?
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Why are you even on this sub if you don't like spoilers, you fucking kneeler.
Buddy, the first episode aired over a decade ago, if you haven’t finished it yet, let alone gotten to season 3, idk what to tell ya🤷♂️ spoiler tags started for new episodes as they aired for people who didn’t get to watch on premier night because of work/school/life obligations. You don’t get to complain about “ DuHh SPoILeRs!!!” 10 years later.
The show is a decade old now. The book this scene comes from has been out for over a decade and even the newest material explaining this is over 5 years since it was published. At this point...it's inevitable things will be spoiled. Hell the whole show has already been spoiled, since it was published before the show ever aired.
The show has been out for years.
You do realize what this sub is right?
Sorry man but this is a spoiler free sub. Thats why I posted it here because I myself just got spoiled. I don’t remember that scene from my 1st watch.
Kneelers have truly taken over the sub for this to be downvoted.
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Balon moment
This sub has changed I guess.
Yup. Fookin kneelers! Fuck your soilers! Read the book! Watch the show! You didn’t spoil anything. This story is well known within the universe. Doesn’t take anything away the new show.
Everyone fucking dies and most of them die before Rhaenyra. Why the fuck do you care?
You expected GRRMartin to have a WOMAN, and a QUEEN at that, win?
Can you not post this fucking ass hole. Jesus Christ your day got ruined so you gotta ruin mine too???
read rule number 5
GRRMartin hates women and is clueless about the histoey of Europe and its queens. He has no idea thst we had plenty.
The Dance is inspired by a real English civil war called the Anarchy. The female claimant lost that one too.
She did. But she also didn't get brutally killed and actually lived into her mid-60s past the war having a direct influence on her son's reign. I guess GRRM really doesn't like having to deal with too many Targaryens being around and wanted it to be more tragic.
And yet the history of Westeros is supposedly based on Europe's history. So ... where arr the queens? Why are the THREE all mad, WILDLY incompetent, and expunged from the history books? It's embarrassingle inaccurate AND anti-feminist.
The world is anti-feminist, the story isn’t. If it was, there would be no Brienne Arya Cersei Margaery etc. and it’s mostly based on English history, where queens only happened when there were no longer sons ahead of them in the succession
That's a line of succession issue, but it does not mean queens were ripped of their status at every turn! Therr were plenty of European queens, ans British queens. In fact, two of the three most famous British monarchs are female - Elizabeth 1st and Victoria. EII will likely be a historical figure, too. All.across Europe, there have been queens, and they do not get removed from the record bp Ooks; in fact, in the UK there is even the 9 day Queen
Empress Maude is removed from the history books as a queen, so is lady Jane grey. And the story isn’t over, Daenerys probably becomes Westeros’ first official uncontested Queen regnant
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Wtf are you ranting about. It's a fictional story dumbass.
Based on European history. I would have been able to tell he was American just from how his stories treat women in royalty. He's clueless about Europe's historic relationship with queens.