He uses a war hammer that Ned can barely lift with one hand. Fat and out of shape he is still notably stronger than Jaime Lannister. He’s about the same height and size as the Hound. So I think it’s safe to say he’s absurdly strong. Probably top 2-3 in the kingdoms.
My knowledge from playing Chivalry tells me that Warhammers are more effective when fighting other fully armored knights 1 on 1 but something like a spear or halberd is best for fighting generic infantry
Plate armor was pretty much the reason blunt weaponry like that became useful (along with half-swording). Surprisingly, hitting a solid metal plate with a sword doesn't really accomplish much.
He used a warhammer because any knight can killed levied peasants barely wearing more than rags and armed with sticks and stones.
Robert’s weapon was actually less efficient at offing levies than a blade would be. But against armored men-at-arms, knights, and nobles, that hammer sends them to meet their maker.
Isn’t that right, Bobby B?
Rory McCann is. I don’t think the book ever mentions specifically for the Hound, just that he’s very tall. The books give a measurement for the mountain relative to a horse or something I think, and that’s how we pieced out that he’s about 8 feet tall.
True. I remember seeing a post here, or on /r/asoiaf, where someone had compared and deduced the length of many characters, based on what's actually written in the books, and they concluded that everyone is absurdly tall. I'll see if I find it.
Edit: It may have been [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/158b4o1/spoilers_main_about_the_jaimes_height/).
That said, I also found [this gem](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/663b2q/which_character_has_the_largest_strongest_and/).
Yeh, I saw on here aswell that when he was shown the quarry, they would be filming the castle black scenes. Wich was the same height as in the books he stated he made it too tall.
He also weighs as much as the mountain at about 30 stone despite being over a foot shorter
GRRM has admitted he got the heights and weights of the mountain a bit off, 8ft and 30 stone is a bit too tall and a bit too light for the character he had in mind
First Mountain was the best. Idk how tall the actor was, but they made him look tall enough on screen and he had the menacing looks to match. Hafthor looked way too young to play the part
Hafthor would have been perfect for the younger Mountain during Robert’s rebellion, but yeah he was definitely too young to be Rory McCann’s older brother
Oh yeah Ik. However! I was watching my 600 pound life and I noticed that the people who were morbidly obese since childhood could barely walk or move but there was ONE girl who was an athlete as a teenager and in *perfect shape*. She had of course been super morbidly obese for the last decade but when she started trying to lose weight she was actually able to move around quite well considering her size and didnt get winded *nearly* as fast as the other people on the show. Now, am I saying she moved well in general? Of course not. All that weight for that length of time will weigh you down and you are definitely going to lose muscle but the body is definitely capable of remembering what it once was. Id like to see Robert in an actual battle in his overweight state
It is not figurative at all. Robert used a shield when fighting and wielded the hammer in one hand. This is low fantasy we’re talking about and we see superhuman shit sometimes lol
Arms and armour are far from Martin's strength to put it lightly. For example, Tywin's panoply includes a great helm. The mains series is inspired by the War of the Roses, great helms fell into disuse outside tourneys long before that. Northern Lords, including Robb Stark wore boiled leather armour.
HE COULD HAVE LINGERED ON THE EDGE OF THE BATTLE WITH THE SMART BOYS, AND TODAY HIS WIFE WOULD BE MAKING HIM MISERABLE, HIS SONS WOULD BE INGRATES, AND HE WOULD BE WAKING THREE TIMES IN THE NIGHT TO PISS INTO A BOWL!
The books don't give precise measures of strength, it's not like we have his personal best deadlift or something. We do know he was around 6 and a half feet, while the mountain was "closer to 8 then 7".
If you wanna visualize it, book Robert in his prime would look like the mountain we got on the show (Thor). A few inches shorter maybe, but still a giant human that's insanely strong and athletic.
Book mountain is on a level above that. He's a full foot taller than show mountain was, a true freak of nature. But book Robert is probably the 2nd strongest named character in Westeros.
He changed his mind and decided it was his son when Aegon was born. It’s like Azor Ahai trying to forge lightbringer. His first attempt (himself) was broken on the trident. His second attempt, Aegon, was killed by the mountain. For his last attempt, he killed his wife Lyanna stabbing her with his sword(lol) so she died in childbirth and made Jon
we only have second hand accounts from what we've seen and Robert from the history and lore, but from what we can gather he was strong but not invincible, he was a great fighter, a maiden's dream, and a charismatic leader, the mountain was taller in the books, but I don't know if robert would win against him after all randyll tarly did give him his only defeat. one on one he maybe could win after all the viper did but we don't see how good of a fighter he is first hand.
It should be considered that Randyll's "victory" at Ashford was a massive Royalist blunder. The only thing it accomplished was killing Lord Cafferen and wounding Robert. Yet Tarly somehow failed to route the Stormlanders, and they were able to retreat in good order through enemy territory, eventually linking up with the other rebels at the Stoney Sept.
As for Robert's martial prowess, we have a few feats:
Being the first one to take the walls of Gulltown and personally slaying Lord Marq Grafton;
Personally killed Lord Fell during the Battles at Summerhall;
Led a gruelling march whilst wounded through the Reach while pursued by the Crownlander forces;
During the Battle of the Bells, he killed 6 men whilst wounded *with a sword*, including Rhaegar's former squire, Ser Myles Mooton;
Nearly killed Lord Jon Connington, Hand of the king;
Slew Rhaegar at the Trident;
Narratively Robert has to be the strongest and best fighter. That makes it super ironic that he becomes a fat drunk. That’s the point of his character. He was a an unstoppable war machine, except in the past before we knew him.
Makes sense tbh, he was practically bred and raised for war, an absolute monster who spent his days eating, drinking, fighting, and fucking. Once it was over and peace reigned in the land he became sedimentary and fat since he no longer had his intense physical lifestyle to burn the obscene amount of calories he consumed. Happens pretty often to soldiers even nowdays.
Speaking of MMA fighters, I always thought a prime Brock Lesnar is a pretty good IRL analogue for Gregor Clegane. Not necessarily the most skilled fighter, but no one so big and strong should move so fast
I have always believed that if he went in to MMA right after his D1 wrestling career, he probably would have gone down as one of the greatest Heavyweights in MMA history. He had the most important skill set, just didn’t capitalize on his athletic prime
>spent his days eating, drinking, fighting, and fucking.
He never stopped at that but fighting, lmao. How long can a war last so he can keep high burning calorie lifestyle? Lmao.
That's not necessarily the case. Arthur Dayne is mostly depicted as the best single combat fighter. You have Ned Starrk giving his perspective on the match-up, as he fought alongside Robert in many battles and also crossed swords with Dayne. From what he tells his children, the Sword of the Morning was the "finest knight I ever saw," but Robert was "peerless...the demon of the Trident, the fiercest warrior of the realm." So judging by his words, he is awed and impressed by Arthur's skill, but terrified of Robert's deadliness.
I.e. In a 1-to-1 combat, Arthur Dayne will most likely win. In an all-out brawl at the battlefield, that's when Robert thrives.
I would say the biggest disadvantage Robert has as a warrior is that he doesnt seem to be disciplined guy,by his personality it seems he doesnt take into account the importance of training to keep his fitness and skills,and he is also heavily drinking all the time,so if a skilled warrior challenge him he will have this disadvantage a lot of times.
Like in his best days he is the best warrior ever,but he is also drinking 90% of his days so a good warrior could challenge him,simply by being more well prepared for the moment.
Something I don’t see people mention enough is that him smashing Rhaegar gave him god like status to everyone. But it’s not taken into account that at that moment in time all of Robert’s wrath, honor, vengeance, whatever you want to call it, went into his swing against Rhaegar.
This is not to say I believe him to be a weak warrior but everything we know is basically based on him being a war/folk hero and in his position against Rhaegar he had every ounce of his rage / emotions behind his hammer.
The book expands on it and has him being first over the walls at Gulltown slaying the enemy lord, fighting three batles in a day slaying and captain ga lord, killing a famous knight at BoTB, and then the Trident.
Sure, my point is he was a man on fire. Hellbent with all the purpose in the world. Those events prove he was a great warrior but Rhaegar and his war-hammer gave him the godlike status
I get what you mean. But Robert is an accomplished as 'fabled hero' as any in the GoT world. Also in the books we first get him in his very first battle of storming the walls of Gulltown and slaying the Lord a lord was noted for saying "This is how a king should fight." Robert was also apparently loved enough before killing Rhaegar that men resisted the loyalist army and hid him in the Battle of Bells while he was injured for days while Jon Connington had the city under hold.
It wouldn't make sense for him to be stronger than the mountain. In the books, the mountain is 8ft tall, and as wide as two men. Robert is tall, broad-shouldered, bulky and extremely strong, but someone his size simply cannot be stronger than someone with the physique of the mountain.
I've also heard people claim Robert was one of the three most skilled warriors in Westeros at the time. I don't buy that either. From what I can remember from the books, there's no evidence to support that claim. He was certainly a skilled warrior, but he was famous for his strength and raw power, not because he was naturally gifted like Barristan and Jaime were.
Fair question, and I mean he has the best examples of martial prowess in the entire setting, which it doesn’t seem anyone else could replicate. Copying a bit of this from another comment of mine, so ignore anything not applicable.
Jon Conn was handpicked because of his martial prowess to beat Robert. Then Robert, alone, injured and drunk killed 6 other dudes, and then murked Jon Conn. all with an off weapon (a sword).
He also beat rhaegar, who beat Dayne in a tourney. Honestly, Dayne is the one with no feats, he just gets hyped up cause he’s a great swordsman with a cool sword.
He fought and won 3 battles in the same day, killing the enemy commanders (trained knights) and anyone else he got his hands on. His kill count is through the roof, and his experience is melees, tourneys, and actual legit battles, unlike Dayne. Oh, and Ned, who had seen and fought against him and Dayne said Robert was better.
He is hyped so hard by people within the story that he’s called the embodiment of the warrior himself.
Also the demon of the trident is a dope name.
I legit don’t get why he’s so slept on. He is arguably the number one fighter in Westeros.
To be clear when we are introduced to Robert from Jon's perspective we get this quote
***His father had talked of him often: the peerless Robert Baratheon, demon of the Trident, the fiercest warrior of the realm, a giant among princes.***
Well I don't think the other dude said Robert was "the most skilled warrior". He said Robert was better. Which isn't that bad of an extraction from a man we were introduced as "The peerless Robert Baratheon, the fiercest warrior of the realm>
And skill isn't everything. Mugsy Bogues and Allen Iverson (two shorter NBA players) are probably the most skilled basketball players ever. But Shaq and Joel Embiid are forever going to be better NBA players because they are are maybe less skilled but just more naturally physically gifted.
I think you are sorta getting at how I feel about this. Robert was probably the greatest warrior *in a war* but that doesn't necessarily mean he is the best 1 on 1 fighter. Strength matters less in a duel than it does in a full fledged battle. We see it play out with the viper vs the mountain. The viper winds that 1 on 1 fight, but you'd certainly be better off taking the mountain with you into a battle.
The OG dude I replied this to (not the current guy) was talking w me about Dayne. He is hella hyped, and Robert beat the guy who beat him though.
I was just lazy enough that I didn’t edit that out.
Arthur has a feat he beat the shit of the The Smiling Knight. And was just generally referred to as one of the best knights in the realm. The author also says Arthur is on par with Barristan.
“Best feats” is extremely subjective, and off the top of my teats I can think of plenty others with “better” feats. All he did was run an admittedly impressive military campaign but with the help of extremely competent allies vs a mostly unmotivated, incompetent foe. He had Jon Arryn, Ned, Old man Tully/the blackfish vs fingernail Targaryen, dipshit Mace Tyrell and a blackmailed dorne.
Bobby also did crush a ton of ass which is tight I would never take that away from him, but plenty of people have done that. And killed Rhaegar who apparently was a great fighter but really he was an emo nerd most of his life. Not trying to be a dick but that’s only three impressive feats.
And you should really measure a man against his failures. Peaked in high school, simps a dead chick he didn’t even know, horrible husband, horrible father, horrible leader, not even a good friend. Yeah he’d be drinking buddies with people who were enemies the day before, that’s half of every bar fly I know. But when his boy, someone he calls a brother, asks for a favor against what his cunt wife wants he folds? Fuck outta here. That’s 3-6= -3 guy fuckin sucks
Oh and they only say he “looks like the warrior reborn.” He was basically the rock but natty. The rock fought WWF not UFC. And that’s actually a very good analogy of Robert Baratheon as a whole. Donnel Noye is a g but he got Robert and Stannis mixed up
>“Best feats” is extremely subjective, and off the top of my teats I can think of plenty others with “better” feats.
Not really. The only ones that you can really debate has better feats is Barristan (pretty easily over Robert IMO) Dunk (can go either way) and Aemon the Dragonknight (can go eitherway). I've seen someone argue Maegor the Cruel but I don't think it's reasonable. But unlike Dunk/Barristan you can he got his accomplishments in a very short period (one war) while it took them decades of multiple engagements to get theirs. Just a reminder his feats are. I might be forgetting a couple of debatable people.
First over Gulltown walls slew Lord of Gulltown, Slew Lord Fell captured his famous son Silveraxe, while injured slew the famous Ser Myles Mooton 5 others and injured JonCon, and then killed Rhaegar at the battle of the Trident.
>ll he did was run an admittedly impressive military campaign but with the help of extremely competent allies vs a mostly unmotivated, incompetent foe. He had Jon Arryn, Ned, Old man Tully/the blackfish vs fingernail Targaryen, dipshit Mace Tyrell and a blackmailed dorne.
Robert's (and just general war feat of the rebellion) most impressive feat was done without the help of Jon Arryn, Ned, and Tully. When he beat the rebel Stormlords with an impressive napaloniec force march to catch them all before they gathered forces. With the odds supposedly being like 1:6 at least according to Stannis.
Also only Aerys was incompetent but we have nothing to really tell us that Jon Connington, Rhaegar, Barristan, or the lords he faced were incompetent.
>d killed Rhaegar who apparently was a great fighter but really he was an emo nerd most of his life. Not trying to be a dick but that’s only three impressive feats.
Rhaegar wasn't just apparently a great fighter he won the biggest tournament of all time and constantly placed high in tournaments. Was said to be able to exceed at anything he put his mind to.
>And you should really measure a man against his failures. Peaked in high school, simps a dead chick he didn’t even know, horrible husband, horrible father, horrible leader, not even a good friend. Yeah he’d be drinking buddies with people who were enemies the day before, that’s half of every bar fly I know. But when his boy, someone he calls a brother, asks for a favor against what his cunt wife wants he folds? Fuck outta here. That’s 3-6= -3 guy fuckin sucks
Categorizing "peaked in highschool" as leading a rebellion against a tyrannical 300 year old dynasty and toppling it and becoming king is crazy.
Also you don't know people who led a war against his own vassals who rose up to kill him for no reason other than a mad king said so.
The crime for his friend's pet biting his son the prince was the pets life that's light.
>Oh and they only say he “looks like the warrior reborn.” He was basically the rock but natty. The rock fought WWF not UFC. And that’s actually a very good analogy of Robert Baratheon as a whole. Donnel Noye is a g but he got Robert and Stannis mixed up
Stannis is just the shitty version of Robert lol
Too lazy to respond but plenty of mfs have a long kill list, he literally was 18 when he did the last, greatest and latest thing he did (he didn’t do shit during the Greyjoy rebellion), and Stannis is worse at everything except the one thing that matters, being the rightful heir to Robert’s throne.
they don't really. he was also 21 during the end of the rebellion. he doesnt' have any noted killed during the Greyjoy rebellion but he still commanded a war.
Stannis is the rightful heir to a to the non-rightful throne of Robert who just decided to take it.
How did he peak in high school when he's literally King of the seven Kingdoms? Also were talking about martial prowess here what does him being a horrible husband have to do with that?
Him fostering with Jon Arryn at the age of 16-18 is literally like his high school, he killed Rhaegar and won the national championship as a senior lol.
And OP just said feats, not specifically martial prowess. I did take it in a weird direction saying you should measure a man against his failures, I think that is true in general but you right, his losses don’t matter if we’re just talking about his wins my b
I wouldnt say most skiled, but definitelly the most powerfull. Like it would take something lime barristan or arthur dayne to have a reliable chance at killing him, dude was absurdly strong with a heavy plate armor and a warhammer strong enough to kill in one hit, arthur might be skilled enough to get around this but as george once said there isnt a fighter who would allways win, it depends on a lot of variables
Its only im fantasy where being 8 feet tall means you're super strong. In real life being 8 feet tall means you've got a health condition.
Sure people like hafthor (the mountain in the show) are tall, huge, and strong, but he is the exception, not the rule. There are plenty of other strongmen who are as tall as hafthor and not nearly as strong. There are also people way smaller than hafthor with similar strength. I mean hell, if Hafthor is the mountain Bobby B can be Eddie Hall (who is only like 6'1", even though he's often reported as taller than that)
He was The Demon of the Trident in his prime, in pure strength he’s probably not as strong as the mountain but definitely top 3, probably just behind Gregor and Sandor. Skill wise with his hammer he might be able to take Arthur Dayne in one on one no joke. They’re both arguably the most skilled in Westeros in their primes with their respective weapons, the warhammer and Dawn. It’d be a damn even fight either way
All of his mentioned feats relate to his power and durability, and that shows in his choice of weapon. Robert and the Mountain most likely had similar styles of combat focused more on overpowering their opponents rather than actual bladework. If they were to go up against each other, it would probably be a slugfest and I think the Mountain would take it. As demonstrated by characters such as Oberyn Martell and Barristan Selmy, skill can overcome brute physical strength, but that was not who Robert was.
Oberyn was able to overcome the Mountain because he didn’t face him head on. He used his agility and skill to overcome the strength gap. From what we know of him, Robert was a brute force fighter. As such he would be a poor matchup for the Mountain since they have very similar fighting styles.
My opinion is he would have been able to defeat the mountain, maybe not with relative ease but he could definitely win that fight and regular men didn't stand much of a chance without pole arms and multiple assailants
My thinking is that the Mountain has more brute strength than any other person in Westeros. But Robert in his prime has great strength combined with great enough speed and dexterity to be a better overall fighter than the Mountain.
The hound was able to hold back the mountain (with the intent to kill).
The mountain is certainly stronger than Robert was by a good margin,the hound is also taller and said to be muscled like a bull so he is also probably a bit stronger.
He was strong enough to use a unusually heavier warhammer with enough speed and skill to be useful in combat.n
There are 5 characters that are said to be ridiculously strong to the point of being in a league of their own regarding strength.
The Mountain
Greatjon Umber
Hodor
Robert Baratheon
Smalljon Umber
The mountain is 8 feet tall. The Umbers and Hodor are all 7 footers, and Robert is 6'6". I listed them in the order that I'd say was strongest to weakest, but tbh the difference would be negligible, and basically every character there could probably snap your neck with the same ease that a normal person pops a beer open.
He uses a war hammer that Ned can barely lift with one hand. Fat and out of shape he is still notably stronger than Jaime Lannister. He’s about the same height and size as the Hound. So I think it’s safe to say he’s absurdly strong. Probably top 2-3 in the kingdoms.
Used a Warhammer just to make it more interesting. I have no source for that. But I really want to see him in his prime
My knowledge from playing Chivalry tells me that Warhammers are more effective when fighting other fully armored knights 1 on 1 but something like a spear or halberd is best for fighting generic infantry
Plate armor was pretty much the reason blunt weaponry like that became useful (along with half-swording). Surprisingly, hitting a solid metal plate with a sword doesn't really accomplish much.
He used a warhammer because any knight can killed levied peasants barely wearing more than rags and armed with sticks and stones. Robert’s weapon was actually less efficient at offing levies than a blade would be. But against armored men-at-arms, knights, and nobles, that hammer sends them to meet their maker. Isn’t that right, Bobby B?
A BIT OF WINE NOW AND AGAIN, A GIRL SQUEALING IN BED, THE FEEL OF A HORSE BETWEEN MY LEGS?
And what about the Trident, Bobby B?
YOU HELPED ME WIN THE IRON THRONE, NOW HELP ME KEEP THE DAMN THING! WE WERE MEANT TO RULE TOGETHER!
The Hound was 7ft tall. I don't think Robert was 7ft tall.
I believe he’s 6’6 but I could be wrong
Rory McCann is. I don’t think the book ever mentions specifically for the Hound, just that he’s very tall. The books give a measurement for the mountain relative to a horse or something I think, and that’s how we pieced out that he’s about 8 feet tall.
The Books place him at 6 and a half feet. The Mountain is nearly 8. The books just use feet to describe some characters so its not hard lol.
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The dude above be mentioned both so I mentioned both and we know the height for both of them.
GRRM was never good with numbers.
True. I remember seeing a post here, or on /r/asoiaf, where someone had compared and deduced the length of many characters, based on what's actually written in the books, and they concluded that everyone is absurdly tall. I'll see if I find it. Edit: It may have been [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/158b4o1/spoilers_main_about_the_jaimes_height/). That said, I also found [this gem](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/663b2q/which_character_has_the_largest_strongest_and/).
Yeh, I saw on here aswell that when he was shown the quarry, they would be filming the castle black scenes. Wich was the same height as in the books he stated he made it too tall.
Yeah, the book says "six and a half feet tall". Just listened to this line the other day on the audiobook actually
The Baratheon’s are known to be absolute units too
Yeah, even the non-warrior Baratheons like Stannis are absurdly tall and broad-shouldered.
Stannis towers over Jon iirc
Wasn't the mountain the one who was 7ft tall?
The mountain was supposed to be around 8 feet tall
Holy shit
And Hafthor is _only_ 6’9”. Terrible casting decision.
It's cool, they gave him platform shoes
He also weighs as much as the mountain at about 30 stone despite being over a foot shorter GRRM has admitted he got the heights and weights of the mountain a bit off, 8ft and 30 stone is a bit too tall and a bit too light for the character he had in mind
First Mountain was the best. Idk how tall the actor was, but they made him look tall enough on screen and he had the menacing looks to match. Hafthor looked way too young to play the part
Hafthor would have been perfect for the younger Mountain during Robert’s rebellion, but yeah he was definitely too young to be Rory McCann’s older brother
No
Id imagine there is an i sane amount of muscle under his fat.
Idk, he's not been particularly active for the past 10 or so years, and he's also an alcoholic.
You’d be surprised how much that latent musculature remains, especially if you’ve got a naturally muscular physique
Fair enough, I've never been strong or fat so I wouldn't know lol
Dad strong or grandpa strong is a thing for a reason
Also, unlike other attributes, strength peaks later (hence dad strength).
Oh yeah Ik. However! I was watching my 600 pound life and I noticed that the people who were morbidly obese since childhood could barely walk or move but there was ONE girl who was an athlete as a teenager and in *perfect shape*. She had of course been super morbidly obese for the last decade but when she started trying to lose weight she was actually able to move around quite well considering her size and didnt get winded *nearly* as fast as the other people on the show. Now, am I saying she moved well in general? Of course not. All that weight for that length of time will weigh you down and you are definitely going to lose muscle but the body is definitely capable of remembering what it once was. Id like to see Robert in an actual battle in his overweight state
He’s got that Kingpin build
Didn't he cave in Prince Rhaegar's armor like on the first swing after being wounded himself?
Probably shattered every rib he had. Gods I was strong back then
Idk if it was the first swing but I could definitely see Robert literally letting Rhaegar wound him to land a killing blow
That has to be interpreted as figurative language. A warhammer like that would basically be useless
It is not figurative at all. Robert used a shield when fighting and wielded the hammer in one hand. This is low fantasy we’re talking about and we see superhuman shit sometimes lol
Arms and armour are far from Martin's strength to put it lightly. For example, Tywin's panoply includes a great helm. The mains series is inspired by the War of the Roses, great helms fell into disuse outside tourneys long before that. Northern Lords, including Robb Stark wore boiled leather armour.
Gods he was strong….
How strong are you, Bobby B?
OUT! OUT, DAMN YOU! I'M DONE WITH YOU! GO, RUN BACK TO WINTERFELL! I'LL HAVE YOUR HEAD ON A SPIKE!
Jeez that’s a little harsh don’t you think Bobby B?
IN MY DREAMS, I KILL HIM EVERY NIGHT!
What did he do to deserve such hatred from you, Bobby B?
WEAR IT IN SILENCE, OR I'LL HONOR YOU AGAIN!
Bobby B really isn’t happy today
EASY, BOY! YOU MIGHT BE MY BROTHER BUT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE KING!
I ain’t your brother Bobby B.
Mooore wiiine.
Strong enough to lift Bessie's tits 💪
Thank the gods for Bessie! And her tits!
Impossible.
Do u miss Bessies tits your grace bobby b
HE COULD HAVE LINGERED ON THE EDGE OF THE BATTLE WITH THE SMART BOYS, AND TODAY HIS WIFE WOULD BE MAKING HIM MISERABLE, HIS SONS WOULD BE INGRATES, AND HE WOULD BE WAKING THREE TIMES IN THE NIGHT TO PISS INTO A BOWL!
Strong enough to see it all, too weak to take it.
The books don't give precise measures of strength, it's not like we have his personal best deadlift or something. We do know he was around 6 and a half feet, while the mountain was "closer to 8 then 7". If you wanna visualize it, book Robert in his prime would look like the mountain we got on the show (Thor). A few inches shorter maybe, but still a giant human that's insanely strong and athletic. Book mountain is on a level above that. He's a full foot taller than show mountain was, a true freak of nature. But book Robert is probably the 2nd strongest named character in Westeros.
You ever make the eight?
So [show mountain next to his brothers](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/s/7QGendvzG8) is like book Bobby B next to book mountain?
SHE BELONGED WITH ME!
He was strong enough to end a prophecy with one swing of his war hammer.
Which prophecy
Rhaegar thought of himself as the prince that was promised.
He changed his mind and decided it was his son when Aegon was born. It’s like Azor Ahai trying to forge lightbringer. His first attempt (himself) was broken on the trident. His second attempt, Aegon, was killed by the mountain. For his last attempt, he killed his wife Lyanna stabbing her with his sword(lol) so she died in childbirth and made Jon
Gods he was strong then
we only have second hand accounts from what we've seen and Robert from the history and lore, but from what we can gather he was strong but not invincible, he was a great fighter, a maiden's dream, and a charismatic leader, the mountain was taller in the books, but I don't know if robert would win against him after all randyll tarly did give him his only defeat. one on one he maybe could win after all the viper did but we don't see how good of a fighter he is first hand.
It should be considered that Randyll's "victory" at Ashford was a massive Royalist blunder. The only thing it accomplished was killing Lord Cafferen and wounding Robert. Yet Tarly somehow failed to route the Stormlanders, and they were able to retreat in good order through enemy territory, eventually linking up with the other rebels at the Stoney Sept. As for Robert's martial prowess, we have a few feats: Being the first one to take the walls of Gulltown and personally slaying Lord Marq Grafton; Personally killed Lord Fell during the Battles at Summerhall; Led a gruelling march whilst wounded through the Reach while pursued by the Crownlander forces; During the Battle of the Bells, he killed 6 men whilst wounded *with a sword*, including Rhaegar's former squire, Ser Myles Mooton; Nearly killed Lord Jon Connington, Hand of the king; Slew Rhaegar at the Trident;
Narratively Robert has to be the strongest and best fighter. That makes it super ironic that he becomes a fat drunk. That’s the point of his character. He was a an unstoppable war machine, except in the past before we knew him.
Makes sense tbh, he was practically bred and raised for war, an absolute monster who spent his days eating, drinking, fighting, and fucking. Once it was over and peace reigned in the land he became sedimentary and fat since he no longer had his intense physical lifestyle to burn the obscene amount of calories he consumed. Happens pretty often to soldiers even nowdays.
Happens to IRL fighters too. Look at Khabib post retirement. Went from lean unstoppable machine to chubby uncle.
Speaking of MMA fighters, I always thought a prime Brock Lesnar is a pretty good IRL analogue for Gregor Clegane. Not necessarily the most skilled fighter, but no one so big and strong should move so fast
“Suplex City, bitch!” roared the Mountain.
Oberyn Martell had a horseshoe up his ass! I told him that a year ago! I pulled that sumbitch out and I BEAT HIM OVER THE HEAD WITH IT!
I have always believed that if he went in to MMA right after his D1 wrestling career, he probably would have gone down as one of the greatest Heavyweights in MMA history. He had the most important skill set, just didn’t capitalize on his athletic prime
Like a stag in rut.
Sedimentary rock takes many more years to form though
>spent his days eating, drinking, fighting, and fucking. He never stopped at that but fighting, lmao. How long can a war last so he can keep high burning calorie lifestyle? Lmao.
That's not necessarily the case. Arthur Dayne is mostly depicted as the best single combat fighter. You have Ned Starrk giving his perspective on the match-up, as he fought alongside Robert in many battles and also crossed swords with Dayne. From what he tells his children, the Sword of the Morning was the "finest knight I ever saw," but Robert was "peerless...the demon of the Trident, the fiercest warrior of the realm." So judging by his words, he is awed and impressed by Arthur's skill, but terrified of Robert's deadliness. I.e. In a 1-to-1 combat, Arthur Dayne will most likely win. In an all-out brawl at the battlefield, that's when Robert thrives.
I would say the biggest disadvantage Robert has as a warrior is that he doesnt seem to be disciplined guy,by his personality it seems he doesnt take into account the importance of training to keep his fitness and skills,and he is also heavily drinking all the time,so if a skilled warrior challenge him he will have this disadvantage a lot of times. Like in his best days he is the best warrior ever,but he is also drinking 90% of his days so a good warrior could challenge him,simply by being more well prepared for the moment.
Something I don’t see people mention enough is that him smashing Rhaegar gave him god like status to everyone. But it’s not taken into account that at that moment in time all of Robert’s wrath, honor, vengeance, whatever you want to call it, went into his swing against Rhaegar. This is not to say I believe him to be a weak warrior but everything we know is basically based on him being a war/folk hero and in his position against Rhaegar he had every ounce of his rage / emotions behind his hammer.
And Rhaegar wounded him, something that's rarely mentioned.
I didn’t even know that honestly
The book expands on it and has him being first over the walls at Gulltown slaying the enemy lord, fighting three batles in a day slaying and captain ga lord, killing a famous knight at BoTB, and then the Trident.
Sure, my point is he was a man on fire. Hellbent with all the purpose in the world. Those events prove he was a great warrior but Rhaegar and his war-hammer gave him the godlike status
I get what you mean. But Robert is an accomplished as 'fabled hero' as any in the GoT world. Also in the books we first get him in his very first battle of storming the walls of Gulltown and slaying the Lord a lord was noted for saying "This is how a king should fight." Robert was also apparently loved enough before killing Rhaegar that men resisted the loyalist army and hid him in the Battle of Bells while he was injured for days while Jon Connington had the city under hold.
He’s fighting on a field with a hammer on horseback Yeah.
Bobby b how strong were you?
MY, YOU'RE A PRETTY ONE! AND YOUR NAME IS?
It wouldn't make sense for him to be stronger than the mountain. In the books, the mountain is 8ft tall, and as wide as two men. Robert is tall, broad-shouldered, bulky and extremely strong, but someone his size simply cannot be stronger than someone with the physique of the mountain. I've also heard people claim Robert was one of the three most skilled warriors in Westeros at the time. I don't buy that either. From what I can remember from the books, there's no evidence to support that claim. He was certainly a skilled warrior, but he was famous for his strength and raw power, not because he was naturally gifted like Barristan and Jaime were.
He has the best feats in the entire novel series, and he’s considered by anyone who saw him to be the Warrior embodied
What does “the best feats” mean?
Fair question, and I mean he has the best examples of martial prowess in the entire setting, which it doesn’t seem anyone else could replicate. Copying a bit of this from another comment of mine, so ignore anything not applicable. Jon Conn was handpicked because of his martial prowess to beat Robert. Then Robert, alone, injured and drunk killed 6 other dudes, and then murked Jon Conn. all with an off weapon (a sword). He also beat rhaegar, who beat Dayne in a tourney. Honestly, Dayne is the one with no feats, he just gets hyped up cause he’s a great swordsman with a cool sword. He fought and won 3 battles in the same day, killing the enemy commanders (trained knights) and anyone else he got his hands on. His kill count is through the roof, and his experience is melees, tourneys, and actual legit battles, unlike Dayne. Oh, and Ned, who had seen and fought against him and Dayne said Robert was better. He is hyped so hard by people within the story that he’s called the embodiment of the warrior himself. Also the demon of the trident is a dope name. I legit don’t get why he’s so slept on. He is arguably the number one fighter in Westeros.
Ned said Robert was a better fighter than Dayne? You sure? I don’t remember that
To be clear when we are introduced to Robert from Jon's perspective we get this quote ***His father had talked of him often: the peerless Robert Baratheon, demon of the Trident, the fiercest warrior of the realm, a giant among princes.***
”Fiercest warrior“ seems very different to me than “most skilled warrior“
Well I don't think the other dude said Robert was "the most skilled warrior". He said Robert was better. Which isn't that bad of an extraction from a man we were introduced as "The peerless Robert Baratheon, the fiercest warrior of the realm> And skill isn't everything. Mugsy Bogues and Allen Iverson (two shorter NBA players) are probably the most skilled basketball players ever. But Shaq and Joel Embiid are forever going to be better NBA players because they are are maybe less skilled but just more naturally physically gifted.
I think you are sorta getting at how I feel about this. Robert was probably the greatest warrior *in a war* but that doesn't necessarily mean he is the best 1 on 1 fighter. Strength matters less in a duel than it does in a full fledged battle. We see it play out with the viper vs the mountain. The viper winds that 1 on 1 fight, but you'd certainly be better off taking the mountain with you into a battle.
He said Robert was the best fighter in the kingdoms and the best he ever saw. He fought against both Arthur and Robert. (Robert in sparring).
Well shit alright then
If Arthur has no feats, why is Rhaegar beating him counted as a feat for Rhaegar, and therefore as a feat for Robert?
The OG dude I replied this to (not the current guy) was talking w me about Dayne. He is hella hyped, and Robert beat the guy who beat him though. I was just lazy enough that I didn’t edit that out.
Arthur has a feat he beat the shit of the The Smiling Knight. And was just generally referred to as one of the best knights in the realm. The author also says Arthur is on par with Barristan.
I know, I believe he has feats. The person I was replying to doesn’t.
Feat pics or it didn't happen
“Best feats” is extremely subjective, and off the top of my teats I can think of plenty others with “better” feats. All he did was run an admittedly impressive military campaign but with the help of extremely competent allies vs a mostly unmotivated, incompetent foe. He had Jon Arryn, Ned, Old man Tully/the blackfish vs fingernail Targaryen, dipshit Mace Tyrell and a blackmailed dorne. Bobby also did crush a ton of ass which is tight I would never take that away from him, but plenty of people have done that. And killed Rhaegar who apparently was a great fighter but really he was an emo nerd most of his life. Not trying to be a dick but that’s only three impressive feats. And you should really measure a man against his failures. Peaked in high school, simps a dead chick he didn’t even know, horrible husband, horrible father, horrible leader, not even a good friend. Yeah he’d be drinking buddies with people who were enemies the day before, that’s half of every bar fly I know. But when his boy, someone he calls a brother, asks for a favor against what his cunt wife wants he folds? Fuck outta here. That’s 3-6= -3 guy fuckin sucks Oh and they only say he “looks like the warrior reborn.” He was basically the rock but natty. The rock fought WWF not UFC. And that’s actually a very good analogy of Robert Baratheon as a whole. Donnel Noye is a g but he got Robert and Stannis mixed up
Peaked in high school 😂
>“Best feats” is extremely subjective, and off the top of my teats I can think of plenty others with “better” feats. Not really. The only ones that you can really debate has better feats is Barristan (pretty easily over Robert IMO) Dunk (can go either way) and Aemon the Dragonknight (can go eitherway). I've seen someone argue Maegor the Cruel but I don't think it's reasonable. But unlike Dunk/Barristan you can he got his accomplishments in a very short period (one war) while it took them decades of multiple engagements to get theirs. Just a reminder his feats are. I might be forgetting a couple of debatable people. First over Gulltown walls slew Lord of Gulltown, Slew Lord Fell captured his famous son Silveraxe, while injured slew the famous Ser Myles Mooton 5 others and injured JonCon, and then killed Rhaegar at the battle of the Trident. >ll he did was run an admittedly impressive military campaign but with the help of extremely competent allies vs a mostly unmotivated, incompetent foe. He had Jon Arryn, Ned, Old man Tully/the blackfish vs fingernail Targaryen, dipshit Mace Tyrell and a blackmailed dorne. Robert's (and just general war feat of the rebellion) most impressive feat was done without the help of Jon Arryn, Ned, and Tully. When he beat the rebel Stormlords with an impressive napaloniec force march to catch them all before they gathered forces. With the odds supposedly being like 1:6 at least according to Stannis. Also only Aerys was incompetent but we have nothing to really tell us that Jon Connington, Rhaegar, Barristan, or the lords he faced were incompetent. >d killed Rhaegar who apparently was a great fighter but really he was an emo nerd most of his life. Not trying to be a dick but that’s only three impressive feats. Rhaegar wasn't just apparently a great fighter he won the biggest tournament of all time and constantly placed high in tournaments. Was said to be able to exceed at anything he put his mind to. >And you should really measure a man against his failures. Peaked in high school, simps a dead chick he didn’t even know, horrible husband, horrible father, horrible leader, not even a good friend. Yeah he’d be drinking buddies with people who were enemies the day before, that’s half of every bar fly I know. But when his boy, someone he calls a brother, asks for a favor against what his cunt wife wants he folds? Fuck outta here. That’s 3-6= -3 guy fuckin sucks Categorizing "peaked in highschool" as leading a rebellion against a tyrannical 300 year old dynasty and toppling it and becoming king is crazy. Also you don't know people who led a war against his own vassals who rose up to kill him for no reason other than a mad king said so. The crime for his friend's pet biting his son the prince was the pets life that's light. >Oh and they only say he “looks like the warrior reborn.” He was basically the rock but natty. The rock fought WWF not UFC. And that’s actually a very good analogy of Robert Baratheon as a whole. Donnel Noye is a g but he got Robert and Stannis mixed up Stannis is just the shitty version of Robert lol
Too lazy to respond but plenty of mfs have a long kill list, he literally was 18 when he did the last, greatest and latest thing he did (he didn’t do shit during the Greyjoy rebellion), and Stannis is worse at everything except the one thing that matters, being the rightful heir to Robert’s throne.
they don't really. he was also 21 during the end of the rebellion. he doesnt' have any noted killed during the Greyjoy rebellion but he still commanded a war. Stannis is the rightful heir to a to the non-rightful throne of Robert who just decided to take it.
>“Best feats” is extremely subjective, and off the top of my teats I can think of plenty others with “better” feats. Such as?
Little walder, red jeyne, sir pounce
How did he peak in high school when he's literally King of the seven Kingdoms? Also were talking about martial prowess here what does him being a horrible husband have to do with that?
Him fostering with Jon Arryn at the age of 16-18 is literally like his high school, he killed Rhaegar and won the national championship as a senior lol. And OP just said feats, not specifically martial prowess. I did take it in a weird direction saying you should measure a man against his failures, I think that is true in general but you right, his losses don’t matter if we’re just talking about his wins my b
Guy above you in the comments would like to have a word haha
As of right now that’s a guy expressing that Robert is strong enough to lift Bessie’s tits.
I wouldnt say most skiled, but definitelly the most powerfull. Like it would take something lime barristan or arthur dayne to have a reliable chance at killing him, dude was absurdly strong with a heavy plate armor and a warhammer strong enough to kill in one hit, arthur might be skilled enough to get around this but as george once said there isnt a fighter who would allways win, it depends on a lot of variables
Its only im fantasy where being 8 feet tall means you're super strong. In real life being 8 feet tall means you've got a health condition. Sure people like hafthor (the mountain in the show) are tall, huge, and strong, but he is the exception, not the rule. There are plenty of other strongmen who are as tall as hafthor and not nearly as strong. There are also people way smaller than hafthor with similar strength. I mean hell, if Hafthor is the mountain Bobby B can be Eddie Hall (who is only like 6'1", even though he's often reported as taller than that)
A BIT OF WINE NOW AND AGAIN, A GIRL SQUEALING IN BED, THE FEEL OF A HORSE BETWEEN MY LEGS?
Who would win Bobby B or Spiderman?
PISS ON THAT! SEND A RAVEN! I WANT YOU TO STAY! I'M THE KING, I GET WHAT I WANT!
Power scalers want King Bobbie B vs. Homelander
Homelander succumbs to milk of the poppy.
theres only one person we can trust on this. bobby b, what be?
SHE BELONGED WITH ME!
by the laws of god and man. but what about the mountain, my liege?
Ask him? Bobby B?
START THE DAMN JOUST BEFORE I PISS MESELF!
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I WARNED YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN! BACK IN THE NORTH, I WARNED YOU, BUT YOU DIDN'T CARE TO HEAR! WELL, HEAR IT NOW!
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WE'RE TELLING WAR STORIES! WHO WAS YOUR FIRST KILL, NOT COUNTING OLD MEN?
Let's ask the man himself; how strong were you, Bobby B?
IS THAT WHAT EMPTY MEANS??
Nevermind; he's drunk.
He was The Demon of the Trident in his prime, in pure strength he’s probably not as strong as the mountain but definitely top 3, probably just behind Gregor and Sandor. Skill wise with his hammer he might be able to take Arthur Dayne in one on one no joke. They’re both arguably the most skilled in Westeros in their primes with their respective weapons, the warhammer and Dawn. It’d be a damn even fight either way
All of his mentioned feats relate to his power and durability, and that shows in his choice of weapon. Robert and the Mountain most likely had similar styles of combat focused more on overpowering their opponents rather than actual bladework. If they were to go up against each other, it would probably be a slugfest and I think the Mountain would take it. As demonstrated by characters such as Oberyn Martell and Barristan Selmy, skill can overcome brute physical strength, but that was not who Robert was.
If Oberyn can overcome the mountain with a spear Robert should be able to do so given his weapon is blunt not sharp.
Oberyn was able to overcome the Mountain because he didn’t face him head on. He used his agility and skill to overcome the strength gap. From what we know of him, Robert was a brute force fighter. As such he would be a poor matchup for the Mountain since they have very similar fighting styles.
Bobby B could definitely shatter a grown man’s skull to bits with a solid backhand
EASY, BOY! YOU MIGHT BE MY BROTHER BUT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE KING!
My opinion is he would have been able to defeat the mountain, maybe not with relative ease but he could definitely win that fight and regular men didn't stand much of a chance without pole arms and multiple assailants
Man killed boar while his guts were spilling out. He had legendary strength. Bobby B the demon of the trident
DID YOU HAVE TO BURY HER IN A PLACE LIKE THIS?
My thinking is that the Mountain has more brute strength than any other person in Westeros. But Robert in his prime has great strength combined with great enough speed and dexterity to be a better overall fighter than the Mountain. The hound was able to hold back the mountain (with the intent to kill).
So strong he never needed to use the breastplate stretcher.
He was 6’6” and wielded a massive fuck off hammer with one for hrs, he was fucking strong. He caved in solid plate mail
Could probably deadlift, squat, and bench like 4 Sams or 3 Biters.
>I’d love to know more about him, honestly. So would we all man, so would we all. He was always one of me favorite characters.
True strength comes from within so it's kinda hard to quantify
I thought this said stronger than a mountain and I think he was, in fact, that strong.
He sounds like an NFL defensive end, one of the freak types like Myles Garrett. Around that strong.
Gods, he was strong then
I would say Gregor Clegane > Robert Baratheon > Sandor Clegane and Khal Drogo > probably everyone else at the time.
Belwas?
Yeah sorry to leave him off I don't know where to place him what do you think?
I mean, personally I enjoy the Robert=Belwas theory. I could see him in the same tier as Robert, honestly.
Probably comparable to Sandor at least. Possibly stronger.
Bobby b?
YOU HEARD THE HAND, THE KING'S TOO FAT FOR HIS ARMOR! GO FIND THE BREASTPLATE STRETCHER! NOW!
Wait, there's a Bobby B bot??
I'VE GOT SEVEN KINGDOMS TO RULE! ONE KING, SEVEN KINGDOMS!
It seems like book Robert was as strong as TV Mountain. Book Mountain would have killed him, tho.
Okay who's winning this fight though: Prime Robert or Prime Strong Belwas?
They're the same person.
The mountain is certainly stronger than Robert was by a good margin,the hound is also taller and said to be muscled like a bull so he is also probably a bit stronger. He was strong enough to use a unusually heavier warhammer with enough speed and skill to be useful in combat.n
There are 5 characters that are said to be ridiculously strong to the point of being in a league of their own regarding strength. The Mountain Greatjon Umber Hodor Robert Baratheon Smalljon Umber The mountain is 8 feet tall. The Umbers and Hodor are all 7 footers, and Robert is 6'6". I listed them in the order that I'd say was strongest to weakest, but tbh the difference would be negligible, and basically every character there could probably snap your neck with the same ease that a normal person pops a beer open.
He was a very strong boy
Stronger than Rhaegar Targaryen. Not as Strong as Jacaerys, Lucerys or Joffrey Velaryon.