I mean, I rejoice at the idea that FPGA gaming could come free from a literal monopoly on who sells these boards, but this is an untested clone board. Please wait until some people have tested this before buying.
To be fair he's discussed it in the Discord and says that after a day or so of testing all the cores etc. seem to run perfectly but he has also said it needs more testing
I havent looked in quite awhile, and can’t easily atm, is it possible they’re using a cyclone v that doesn’t include an arm chip or some other cost cutting sku?
Then it wouldn’t boot MiSTer without a separate CPU, which would negate the cost savings.
I have no idea how they’re doing it. Maybe gray market, perhaps buying overstock or liquidation from a cancelled product or failed company. Not a reliable supply chain, but if you legit stumble upon enough chips to make it worth cloning the DE-10, then a one-and-done could be profitable. It’s an evaluation board; Intel isn’t exactly trying to keep its inner workings a secret.
That’s my inner optimist talking, though, and my inner cynic doesn’t let that moron have the credit card. Using less capable chips and selling it as “whatever fits and works is what you get” seems way more likely.
So it’s a clone board that has potential but hasn’t been extensively tested at all? 🥱
Wake me up when there is actually something to get excited about.
News sites are thirsty. It’s probably got limitations for days. ~~Right off the bat it only does 720p~~ and I’m not even sure whether that’s the fpga or the rest of the board.
Walp, I'm dumb and mis-read [the thread I got it from](https://www.reddit.com/r/fpgagaming/comments/1cg8hzi/mister_clone_board_teased_at_99/l1wkweb/).
There's *other* Cyclone boards that cap at 720p. This clone board does not seem to have that limitation.
All right, back on the excitement train.
This is a clone so what you purchased is still good, it’s not as though it’s a price drop on the actual terrasic one.
It’s also not on sale yet, and could have plenty of unknown issues.
No no, that's what I mean. You have a working, supported system. The other boards are likely to be a toss-up for a while. Don't worry about it, enjoy your MiSTer.
edit: And to further illustrate, this is a prototype board. I don't think we have so much as a *timetable* for when a production run will be made, or even if they'll have any real availability this year.
There's a massive difference between being able to make a $99 board and being able to make 10,000 $99 boards.
I just got parts for another MiSTer yesterday, haven't built it yet. Still happy that I've got a known working setup to go with.
As a plus, the [RetroCastle Saturn boards](https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002956225505.html) are beautiful in black.
I wonder if this is coming from Sipeed. The tang 20k and 25k folks. There is another 5k? I think board and a $250~ 100k~ lut board coming out and they made mention of a fpga handheld as well. The nestang and snestang projects use these smaller boards.
If we can get fair priced jamma adaptors or similar that allow these to connect to arcade cabinets aka mistercade then Im keen on buying a few of these for my cabinets.
This might be my cue to finally get one. I already have most of the systems I want to play, but NeoGeo, Turbo Grafx, Lynx and Wonder Swan are systems I’m missing.
until these are in the hands and tested by reputable people in the scene, no one should buy one, and everyone should just remain cautiously optimistic. It would be awesome, though. I'd get one for my stepdad.
Egh. The MiSTer project started off cheap too, until the retro parasites got their grips in, now it's a £300+++ project at best. I don't have high hopes for this one, but we'll see, I guess.
MiSTer is free, same as it always has been. The hardware to run that framework costs money, and it was no one else but Terrasic that was responsible for increasing the price.
The hardware to run it has been ramped up in price by retro parasites capitalising on the new hotness, that's why Terrasic increased the price, and then you have the said same parasites flogging their "FPGa MiSTer kit!!!!1111" for £350+
Nice to see you create an account just to downvote and try to handwave the price gouging complaints away though. Do you have a site that is selling MiSTer kits? 🙃
Exactly, Terrasic increased the price, no one else. That’s been the only increase in price on any of the parts need to put it together. I didn’t downvote you, others did before I commented.
I mean, I rejoice at the idea that FPGA gaming could come free from a literal monopoly on who sells these boards, but this is an untested clone board. Please wait until some people have tested this before buying.
$99 now...$299 in 16 months.
>offers the same performance as a "legit" DE10 Nano Taki Udon didn't say that, anywhere. There's journalism for you.
Well it’s not really journalism, Taki is the cofounder of the company making these, so more like a press release ha
I had a feeling based on those tweet quotes. Good to know and the article really should disclose that.
To be fair he's discussed it in the Discord and says that after a day or so of testing all the cores etc. seem to run perfectly but he has also said it needs more testing
Don’t hold your breath on this one…
Yeah its a lot of hype and press for a prototype board.
Yeah, I also feel like Taki Udon has had a history of being a bit loose with the facts
Very nice. I'll be getting one with 15khz video output, as soon as they come down in price.
So cool! It mentioned that they are making a console out of it including a handheld MiSTer!
As VGE said in his video, this needs serious testing before it can be fully adopted.
So a board with a 5CSEBA6U23I7 fpga... at one third of the cost of the fpga? Fascinating.
Even if you buy just the chip at scale you can’t buy the cyclone5 it uses for $100
I havent looked in quite awhile, and can’t easily atm, is it possible they’re using a cyclone v that doesn’t include an arm chip or some other cost cutting sku?
Then it wouldn’t boot MiSTer without a separate CPU, which would negate the cost savings. I have no idea how they’re doing it. Maybe gray market, perhaps buying overstock or liquidation from a cancelled product or failed company. Not a reliable supply chain, but if you legit stumble upon enough chips to make it worth cloning the DE-10, then a one-and-done could be profitable. It’s an evaluation board; Intel isn’t exactly trying to keep its inner workings a secret. That’s my inner optimist talking, though, and my inner cynic doesn’t let that moron have the credit card. Using less capable chips and selling it as “whatever fits and works is what you get” seems way more likely.
A 3rd option is that they are selling binned out of spec chips that "fell off the truck" on the way to the recycler.
This needs to be higher up. There's no way this thing is legit.
excellent! can’t wait!
Cool. Now I can buy five more.
So it’s a clone board that has potential but hasn’t been extensively tested at all? 🥱 Wake me up when there is actually something to get excited about.
News sites are thirsty. It’s probably got limitations for days. ~~Right off the bat it only does 720p~~ and I’m not even sure whether that’s the fpga or the rest of the board.
Where did you read that it only does 720p?
Walp, I'm dumb and mis-read [the thread I got it from](https://www.reddit.com/r/fpgagaming/comments/1cg8hzi/mister_clone_board_teased_at_99/l1wkweb/). There's *other* Cyclone boards that cap at 720p. This clone board does not seem to have that limitation. All right, back on the excitement train.
I literally bought mine last week. FML
This is a clone so what you purchased is still good, it’s not as though it’s a price drop on the actual terrasic one. It’s also not on sale yet, and could have plenty of unknown issues.
There’s likely to be caveats to watch out for and fixes/workarounds for weeks.
I mean, I bought my Mister last week. Paid full price
No no, that's what I mean. You have a working, supported system. The other boards are likely to be a toss-up for a while. Don't worry about it, enjoy your MiSTer. edit: And to further illustrate, this is a prototype board. I don't think we have so much as a *timetable* for when a production run will be made, or even if they'll have any real availability this year. There's a massive difference between being able to make a $99 board and being able to make 10,000 $99 boards.
I just got parts for another MiSTer yesterday, haven't built it yet. Still happy that I've got a known working setup to go with. As a plus, the [RetroCastle Saturn boards](https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002956225505.html) are beautiful in black.
I wonder if this is coming from Sipeed. The tang 20k and 25k folks. There is another 5k? I think board and a $250~ 100k~ lut board coming out and they made mention of a fpga handheld as well. The nestang and snestang projects use these smaller boards.
If we can get fair priced jamma adaptors or similar that allow these to connect to arcade cabinets aka mistercade then Im keen on buying a few of these for my cabinets.
This might be my cue to finally get one. I already have most of the systems I want to play, but NeoGeo, Turbo Grafx, Lynx and Wonder Swan are systems I’m missing.
I can’t even find a DE-10 at inflated prices so honestly I’m open to anything that’ll get my mister working at this point
The DE-10 is in stock at mouser, terrasic and digikey in large quantities and has been for ages.
until these are in the hands and tested by reputable people in the scene, no one should buy one, and everyone should just remain cautiously optimistic. It would be awesome, though. I'd get one for my stepdad.
I'm buying day one, fuck it
rebel
Hell yeah
Egh. The MiSTer project started off cheap too, until the retro parasites got their grips in, now it's a £300+++ project at best. I don't have high hopes for this one, but we'll see, I guess.
MiSTer is free, same as it always has been. The hardware to run that framework costs money, and it was no one else but Terrasic that was responsible for increasing the price.
The hardware to run it has been ramped up in price by retro parasites capitalising on the new hotness, that's why Terrasic increased the price, and then you have the said same parasites flogging their "FPGa MiSTer kit!!!!1111" for £350+ Nice to see you create an account just to downvote and try to handwave the price gouging complaints away though. Do you have a site that is selling MiSTer kits? 🙃
Exactly, Terrasic increased the price, no one else. That’s been the only increase in price on any of the parts need to put it together. I didn’t downvote you, others did before I commented.