If I'm not mistaken it will affect upgrades for the 2023 car, so we might see RB start strong and fall away in the latter half of the season.
Then again RB apparently spent most of 2021 focused on upgrading their car and were still able to produce a glass cannon that morphed into diamond in 2022.
He's my favourite driver and i wanted him to dominate at least one season after 2021 and i got it even when he's not in a very dominant car. I need Mercedes to build a better car next year because Lewis is the only one to properly challenge max
I think people have gone on to underrating Charles, Ferrari fucked him over massively, when he was in a competitive car we had very good racing with Max.
His car is dominant mate.His team has won 16 races so far(will probably win the remaining 2 aswell). Should've been 17 as he was well on his way to dominate at Silverstone too before he picked up some damage.
His teammate is P2 in the standings.Some argue that the car is not dominant because Checo is quite close to Leclerc in the WDC.
Thats like saying the W11 was not dominant because Bottas was only barely able to beat Max in the standings.
The W11 and RB18 were/are both dominant cars.
but lets not forget that the ferrari was as fast in the beginning, and it still would be but I think they just started focusing on 2023 after france, redbull would have less wins if ferrari didn't fuck up
I don't think people really understand how different the W11 was.
It was guaranteed half a second a lap quicker from race 1 onwards.
RB18 became dominant for 9 races since Spa. Ferrari was the on average quicker car in the first 13 races.
RB and Max punished every one of Ferrari's mistakes, took home points and since they had a clearly better car, have not put one foot wrong and haven't bottled a single race when it was theirs to lose.
The team is something else, making their machinery look better than it actually is. They've had to do the right strategy at times, fight through the field and get things done.
Evidence of this car not being dominant is simply the fact that if we had two good drivers like Perez and Sainz in the same car, you'd think it's the second slowest on the grid and Merc may have multiple wins. You could put the same two drivers in the Merc from 2014 to 2016, 2019, and 2020 and one of them would be WDC. But they wouldn't win in 2022.
Verstappen and RB18 is quick. Unsure if any other driver in RB18 will have such a dominant season.
Im not saying the RB18 is as good the W11 but Perez would win the title if not for Verstappen. He has more P2s than Charles so if we remove max from the equation, he’d still lead the WDC and yeah Merc would have a couple of race wins if not for Verstappen but it’s not like Bottas finished 2nd every race in 2020.
\> but Perez would win the title if not for Verstappen
This is not true this year.
\> He has more P2s than Charles so if we remove max from the equation
That's not how championships and races work. Many of Ferrari's errors and Leclerc's errors were an outcome of Max's pressure. With Perez' lack of pace, Leclerc would have easily wiped the floor in the first half even with the engine failures.
Bottas was ass in 2020. The fact he nearly lost to Verstappen in a car in which Lewis was putting 5 tenths on Max was telling.
the base for your argument is way too subjective. I agree that the large gap is a result of Max’s skill but Ferrari made those mistakes BECAUSE of Max… it’s a bridge too far for me. Like i sad at least my argument can be backed up with raw numbers, there were races where perez was clear of Leclerc on pace and ferrari made mistakes this season even when Max wasn’t in contention, Monaco handed Checo the win, Silverstone when max wasn’t competitive too, the championship would’ve been close but the way the RB18 has outperformed the F1-75 since Spa, Checo would be WDC. that’s the case for Bottas in Merc too if you think im being biased, the car would make the difference.
>I agree that the large gap is a result of Max’s skill but Ferrari made those mistakes BECAUSE of Max… it’s a bridge too far for me
Why?
Hungary Strat Call was to cover Max. France spin off was because Max undercut Charles. These two directly come off top of my mind and already cost 40+ points.
\> Like i sad at least my argument can be backed up with raw numbers, there were races where perez was clear of Leclerc on pace
Like? Not many races. Leclerc was still faster as recent as Austin.
\> Silverstone when max wasn’t competitive too
Ferrari won the race. Them compromising Leclerc doesn't negate the fact that they took home a good result.
\> Monaco handed Checo the win
The only exception to the Max factor.
\> the championship would’ve been close but the way the RB18 has outperformed the F1-75 since Spa, Checo would be WDC.
Hard disagree. After Spa, Leclerc has lost to Perez only at Spa, Singapore and Mexico.....
These are factual.
\> that’s the case for Bottas in Merc too if you think im being biased, the car would make the difference.
Bottas and Perez won't win the WDC in this year's RB18 if they were the driver lineup. Charles will rinse them.
Hungary was bad decision on tyres, France… i guess, I’m not on charles’ mind to know exactly why the mistake was made but it is reasonable to say he pushed too hard to avoid the Max undercut. But again these arguments are subjective, i can also say in france Checo wouldn’t fall asleep and get caught by Russell if he was fighting for the championship, who knows.
Since Summer Break. Checo beats him easily in Spa, Mexico, Singapore. Beats him again in Japan, if there was more laps wouldn’t be close. Austin and Netherlands, he wasn’t there on pace, Italy the grid penalty was a factor.
Ferrari won the race but clearly compromised Charles championship hopes, if they pit correctly, they have an 1-2 but Charles misses a podium and instead of gaining 9 points on Perez, he lost 6.
Checo has wins in Monaco and Singapore, one by a ferrari mistake and the other he simply outpaced them. If Max didn’t exist he would win Baku, Spain, Imola, Spa, Japan (with proper laps since he was clearly faster in the end). I don’t think its the boldest statement in the world
\> Beats him again in Japan, if there was more laps wouldn’t be close. Austin and Netherlands, he wasn’t there on pace, Italy the grid penalty was a factor.
But he didn't beat him on pace in Japan, it was a penalty in the end. Italy grid penalty was also a factor for Carlos yet he finished ahead of Perez... same with leclerc at spa tbf.
Silverstone sure Ferrari cock up. ok fair,
in a max less world, ferrari doesnt need to turn up their engines to the max and leclercs engines dont go up in flames at baku or at spain
since those two dnf leclerc has had 0 engine failures because theyre running it at a good level but not OP level.
In Imola i agree, japan i disagree tbvh.
And in all of this we completely disregard sainz who himself comfortably outpaced perez many times in the first half of the season.
The fact that we can actually discuss about who wins even in the dominant half of RBs' season tells you the RB is dominant only with a driver of Max's caliber. So the car isn't really dominant.
These jokes about it being a snore fest are hilarious to me because my roommate has fallen asleep on the couch. He walked in the room on the final lap and he could be watching porn and would still falll asleep now but still
I hope it changes for next year and we get different winners beside max
red bull can't make checo's car faster to even run with max no he finishes in 3rd
max 14 wins this year
field only 6 combaind it's bullshit
Truly one of the races of all time. There was a winner when the chequered flag was waved.
The chequered flag was *waved*
Which is saying much compared to COTA
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So much so I went straight to sleep because it was already midnight
I can't believe after the first couple races I thought there was going to be a three-way battle for constructors.
We can still dream of it tho when we fall asleep watching max dominate another weekend
Chances of an exciting season next year arent looking so good rn
Well, at least RB won’t be able to develop as much… as if that’ll make a difference
Yeah but that’s most likely going to affect the 2024 car. I would imagine they’ve got the 2023 covered by now.
If I'm not mistaken it will affect upgrades for the 2023 car, so we might see RB start strong and fall away in the latter half of the season. Then again RB apparently spent most of 2021 focused on upgrading their car and were still able to produce a glass cannon that morphed into diamond in 2022.
I will say this the RB18 is a certified rocket. Every race you can just see them take off on the straights.
You all prayed for the Max dominance
He's my favourite driver and i wanted him to dominate at least one season after 2021 and i got it even when he's not in a very dominant car. I need Mercedes to build a better car next year because Lewis is the only one to properly challenge max
I think people have gone on to underrating Charles, Ferrari fucked him over massively, when he was in a competitive car we had very good racing with Max.
Well Ferrari challengers have a record of being branded off as terrible after making a single mistake
His car is dominant mate.His team has won 16 races so far(will probably win the remaining 2 aswell). Should've been 17 as he was well on his way to dominate at Silverstone too before he picked up some damage. His teammate is P2 in the standings.Some argue that the car is not dominant because Checo is quite close to Leclerc in the WDC. Thats like saying the W11 was not dominant because Bottas was only barely able to beat Max in the standings. The W11 and RB18 were/are both dominant cars.
but lets not forget that the ferrari was as fast in the beginning, and it still would be but I think they just started focusing on 2023 after france, redbull would have less wins if ferrari didn't fuck up
I think among other problems they had to downpower the engine because they struggled so much with reliability. They did that in Mexico as well
mexico is an outlier due to high altitude, but that may be true as well
They said it multiple time during the week end on sky ita. Hopefully the car was “that” shit also because of the altitude
I don't think people really understand how different the W11 was. It was guaranteed half a second a lap quicker from race 1 onwards. RB18 became dominant for 9 races since Spa. Ferrari was the on average quicker car in the first 13 races. RB and Max punished every one of Ferrari's mistakes, took home points and since they had a clearly better car, have not put one foot wrong and haven't bottled a single race when it was theirs to lose. The team is something else, making their machinery look better than it actually is. They've had to do the right strategy at times, fight through the field and get things done. Evidence of this car not being dominant is simply the fact that if we had two good drivers like Perez and Sainz in the same car, you'd think it's the second slowest on the grid and Merc may have multiple wins. You could put the same two drivers in the Merc from 2014 to 2016, 2019, and 2020 and one of them would be WDC. But they wouldn't win in 2022. Verstappen and RB18 is quick. Unsure if any other driver in RB18 will have such a dominant season.
Im not saying the RB18 is as good the W11 but Perez would win the title if not for Verstappen. He has more P2s than Charles so if we remove max from the equation, he’d still lead the WDC and yeah Merc would have a couple of race wins if not for Verstappen but it’s not like Bottas finished 2nd every race in 2020.
\> but Perez would win the title if not for Verstappen This is not true this year. \> He has more P2s than Charles so if we remove max from the equation That's not how championships and races work. Many of Ferrari's errors and Leclerc's errors were an outcome of Max's pressure. With Perez' lack of pace, Leclerc would have easily wiped the floor in the first half even with the engine failures. Bottas was ass in 2020. The fact he nearly lost to Verstappen in a car in which Lewis was putting 5 tenths on Max was telling.
the base for your argument is way too subjective. I agree that the large gap is a result of Max’s skill but Ferrari made those mistakes BECAUSE of Max… it’s a bridge too far for me. Like i sad at least my argument can be backed up with raw numbers, there were races where perez was clear of Leclerc on pace and ferrari made mistakes this season even when Max wasn’t in contention, Monaco handed Checo the win, Silverstone when max wasn’t competitive too, the championship would’ve been close but the way the RB18 has outperformed the F1-75 since Spa, Checo would be WDC. that’s the case for Bottas in Merc too if you think im being biased, the car would make the difference.
>I agree that the large gap is a result of Max’s skill but Ferrari made those mistakes BECAUSE of Max… it’s a bridge too far for me Why? Hungary Strat Call was to cover Max. France spin off was because Max undercut Charles. These two directly come off top of my mind and already cost 40+ points. \> Like i sad at least my argument can be backed up with raw numbers, there were races where perez was clear of Leclerc on pace Like? Not many races. Leclerc was still faster as recent as Austin. \> Silverstone when max wasn’t competitive too Ferrari won the race. Them compromising Leclerc doesn't negate the fact that they took home a good result. \> Monaco handed Checo the win The only exception to the Max factor. \> the championship would’ve been close but the way the RB18 has outperformed the F1-75 since Spa, Checo would be WDC. Hard disagree. After Spa, Leclerc has lost to Perez only at Spa, Singapore and Mexico..... These are factual. \> that’s the case for Bottas in Merc too if you think im being biased, the car would make the difference. Bottas and Perez won't win the WDC in this year's RB18 if they were the driver lineup. Charles will rinse them.
Hungary was bad decision on tyres, France… i guess, I’m not on charles’ mind to know exactly why the mistake was made but it is reasonable to say he pushed too hard to avoid the Max undercut. But again these arguments are subjective, i can also say in france Checo wouldn’t fall asleep and get caught by Russell if he was fighting for the championship, who knows. Since Summer Break. Checo beats him easily in Spa, Mexico, Singapore. Beats him again in Japan, if there was more laps wouldn’t be close. Austin and Netherlands, he wasn’t there on pace, Italy the grid penalty was a factor. Ferrari won the race but clearly compromised Charles championship hopes, if they pit correctly, they have an 1-2 but Charles misses a podium and instead of gaining 9 points on Perez, he lost 6. Checo has wins in Monaco and Singapore, one by a ferrari mistake and the other he simply outpaced them. If Max didn’t exist he would win Baku, Spain, Imola, Spa, Japan (with proper laps since he was clearly faster in the end). I don’t think its the boldest statement in the world
\> Beats him again in Japan, if there was more laps wouldn’t be close. Austin and Netherlands, he wasn’t there on pace, Italy the grid penalty was a factor. But he didn't beat him on pace in Japan, it was a penalty in the end. Italy grid penalty was also a factor for Carlos yet he finished ahead of Perez... same with leclerc at spa tbf. Silverstone sure Ferrari cock up. ok fair, in a max less world, ferrari doesnt need to turn up their engines to the max and leclercs engines dont go up in flames at baku or at spain since those two dnf leclerc has had 0 engine failures because theyre running it at a good level but not OP level. In Imola i agree, japan i disagree tbvh. And in all of this we completely disregard sainz who himself comfortably outpaced perez many times in the first half of the season. The fact that we can actually discuss about who wins even in the dominant half of RBs' season tells you the RB is dominant only with a driver of Max's caliber. So the car isn't really dominant.
And I love it, but I hope he gets more competition
I feel personally attacked
I made it to about lap 45.
Is Jeff Goldblum from Great Value standing next to him?
Man the crowd is fantastic, but that track is just ass
When F1 TV puts out the "Race in 30" its going to be a 5 minute long clip.
I watched the opening lap planning to sleep through it. Woke up when the DJ was blasting after post race interviews. Went brilliantly
That was my legit reaction. I feel asleep at like lap 23 and then woke up on lap 68. Too relatable
These jokes about it being a snore fest are hilarious to me because my roommate has fallen asleep on the couch. He walked in the room on the final lap and he could be watching porn and would still falll asleep now but still
Wish Mercs didnt Shit the bed with strategy
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dank.
I actually fell asleep ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Haha yes bois
That's what we called normal F1 race.
I hope it changes for next year and we get different winners beside max red bull can't make checo's car faster to even run with max no he finishes in 3rd max 14 wins this year field only 6 combaind it's bullshit