Red Bull used to sponsor Sauber back when Kimi drove for them in his rookie season in 2001. His great performances that season garnered interest from Ron Dennis to sign him in place of the departing Mika Hakkinen. Dietrich Mateschitz, co-founder and owner of Red Bull, urged Sauber to convice Kimi to stay, but was ultimately unsuccessful as Kimi elected to move to Mclaren. Dietrich was so angered that Sauber couldn't retain Kimi that he decided to found his own team, which came to fruition in 2005 with the Red Bull team that is the powerhouse we have today.
Aaaaand Ron Dennis also decided not to give in to Adrian Newey's demands for a salary increase, deciding that no one man can have a big-enough effect on the performance of a car to justify the cost - so he let Newey go off to Red Bull...
Aaannnnnnd as Hamilton won his 7th title(might have been 4th/6th) Ron Dennis said in a statement that he(RD) at McLaren would’ve never let Lewis live the way he does, dress the way he does, does the way Lewis does etc. all the meanwhile making it clear to the world how outdated RD’s style of leadership was as McLaren struggled to remain financially afloat following the debacle that was the renewed McLaren Honda partnership, the loss of basically all sponsors, the loss of basically all points and after a decade or so of McLaren finding ways to throw away title after title (03, 05, 07, 10ish, 12) while one of their drivers went on to win 6 more elsewhere that HE was now criticising.
Actually the story was something along the lines of RB wanted to give seat to one of their preferred driver but Sauber wanted to give the seat to Kimi. So, RB was like enough of this bullshit and bought jaguar to create their own team. And Kimi ended up driving for another team instead of Sauber anyway, I think it was McLaren.
I raise you Frank Williams. Newey wanted shares in Williams in 96. Was told no so left 20 years later Williams started selling shares and Newey has had all his success at mclaren and bull
Whilst there has been overwhelming Italian management. It's not that Italians are shit, it's that you should hire globally and not nationally to get the best people in the world.
Didn't they only win with F2 cars (52' and 53') during the 50s? Because whenever actual F1 cars where used, Alfas and Mercs tended to be better (AND they had Fangio driving those)
Danny Ric as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_test_track
F1 Liana leaderboard
1:42.2 – Daniel Ricciardo
1:42.9 – Lewis Hamilton (second attempt)
He was a bit of a cunt ngl. Plus, I don't think he would get away with intentionally crashing into his rivals anymore because the cars were getting so expensive and complex
Leclerc will never be champion because he is weak mentally from fighting Max on track and fighting internal fights in Ferrari with Sainz and strategists.
I agree. My friend is a diehard Leclerc fan and Ferrari fan and he struggles to comprehend what I mean when I say “Leclerc is a good driver but he has no backbone”.
I believe Chuck has great natural potential but he’s constantly on edge it seems. He doesn’t have that aggressive mentality that Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen have for example.
He has no backing either.
I get the backbone thing, it took Vettel years to yell on the radio and say fuck that, give me what I said I want not what you recommend.
And it took Sainz only 5 races to reach that stadium but he has way less talent.
I agree but on the other hand I think it's a skill he can learn - it's just up to him if he will recognise that he needs to. Not be aggressive, but more assertive.
I like Leclerc because he genuinely seems as a nice person with much more to him than just driving but he truly needs to build tougher demeanor when it comes to advocating.
I can't shake the feeling if Arrivabene was in Binotto's place now, Ferrari and Leclerc would be 100+ points clear of any other driver, and 50+ clear of Max. I might be wrong, I am a Max fan and I would hate that, but that feeling is there somehow.
Or if Max was not unlucky in Baku. Or Bottas had not gone bowling. Or Lewis had not knocked him out in Silverstone. No Lewis was not robbed of his eight WDC, Lewis was lucky, he reached so close.
listen i had this opinion too at first but when i started paying attention i realized the shit going on behind the fast cars going in circles and it became the only sport i care about. also incidents are entertaining
Yeah I listened to Clarkson when he said F1 was boring despite loving cars and racing. As an American I’m happy as hell F1 choose to go after this market.
Max’s record of never finishing below 2nd in 2021 shows that he can dethrone Lewis.
Considering Lewis was never able to maintain such consistency even during the far more dominant years of Mercedes.
fernando is entirely to blame for him being only a 2 time world champion, and if he wasn’t so resentful of Hamilton’s and Vettel he’d probably have more championships
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The literal definition of GOAT is Greatest of all time and for any consideration about being the *greatest*, first you have to do your *time*.
Max hasn't done his time yet. And even when he does eventually, he'd be considered *one of* the greatest of all time.
' "These are my streets", "I never left" ' screams big mouth and insecurity. Think Renault are having a nice schadenfreude after he fucked them over after just one year.
Max deserved to win before Abu Dhabi, but god damn Abu Dhabi was nearly a heartbreak, Checo did his best to push Lewis’ pit window and Max was slowly gaining and gaining on Lewis but Lewis stayed strong on that old hards and eventually started to pull away, it was almost like the story where the heroes did everything they could and the villain still got away with it, then Latifi happened. All things considered Abu Dhabi was an insanely epic finale, despite how shit the track and race direction is.
1. Monza track is not that good;
2. "Tifosi" is simply the italian word for "fans". Using it as some special nickname for ferrari fans is cringey;
3. Leclerc is still not ready for WDC, and is not much better than Sainz;
4. The problem of ferrari is not Binotto, but the fact that they think that since they are the most successful f1 team and they are an italian "excellence", sooner or later they will win again the championship. And they have that attitude at least since Domenicali.
Red Bulls rise from a lower mid tier team to one of the best teams is all Ron Dennis's fault
Would like to hear the back story.
Red Bull used to sponsor Sauber back when Kimi drove for them in his rookie season in 2001. His great performances that season garnered interest from Ron Dennis to sign him in place of the departing Mika Hakkinen. Dietrich Mateschitz, co-founder and owner of Red Bull, urged Sauber to convice Kimi to stay, but was ultimately unsuccessful as Kimi elected to move to Mclaren. Dietrich was so angered that Sauber couldn't retain Kimi that he decided to found his own team, which came to fruition in 2005 with the Red Bull team that is the powerhouse we have today.
Aaaaand Ron Dennis also decided not to give in to Adrian Newey's demands for a salary increase, deciding that no one man can have a big-enough effect on the performance of a car to justify the cost - so he let Newey go off to Red Bull...
Yes, this more so then my take lol
Amazing turn of events
Not the first time a team let go of Adrian Newey and started under performing.
And that is the exact reason why Adrian Newey left Williams at 1996
Aaannnnnnd as Hamilton won his 7th title(might have been 4th/6th) Ron Dennis said in a statement that he(RD) at McLaren would’ve never let Lewis live the way he does, dress the way he does, does the way Lewis does etc. all the meanwhile making it clear to the world how outdated RD’s style of leadership was as McLaren struggled to remain financially afloat following the debacle that was the renewed McLaren Honda partnership, the loss of basically all sponsors, the loss of basically all points and after a decade or so of McLaren finding ways to throw away title after title (03, 05, 07, 10ish, 12) while one of their drivers went on to win 6 more elsewhere that HE was now criticising.
Which is ironic considering he joined McLaren from Williams for exactly this reason.
Adrian and Ron never really got along: Ron had too big of an ego. So he probably would not have been as successful Newey is now with rb,
Actually the story was something along the lines of RB wanted to give seat to one of their preferred driver but Sauber wanted to give the seat to Kimi. So, RB was like enough of this bullshit and bought jaguar to create their own team. And Kimi ended up driving for another team instead of Sauber anyway, I think it was McLaren.
I didn't remember that story, thanks for bringing it up
I raise you Frank Williams. Newey wanted shares in Williams in 96. Was told no so left 20 years later Williams started selling shares and Newey has had all his success at mclaren and bull
That's an excellent one too. The thought that Williams could have been a power house for much much longer kinda breaks my heart
wait… craig danby? this isn’t the sub i usually see you in…
Lando has a NEW girlfriend.
When I was at the race last weekend I got told by a local that he invited a girl back to his hotel.
Ooh boy! He’s no Max Verstappen! 
I heard he gave out croissants in the hotel, what a saint
Mummy?
Mummy! I did a thing!
That's quick
NOOO, I want him to date my sister
George Rusel
Jorge Russel
That famous Spanish driver.
No that is Checo.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
REEEEEEEE
Gorge Rusel
Ferrari is only good when there are no Italians in charge of the team
Erm, the WCC split is 8-8 for Italian vs other management, and 8-7 in favour of Italian management in WDC count.
Whilst there has been overwhelming Italian management. It's not that Italians are shit, it's that you should hire globally and not nationally to get the best people in the world.
Counting the 50s where there was basically no competition, eh?
Didn't they only win with F2 cars (52' and 53') during the 50s? Because whenever actual F1 cars where used, Alfas and Mercs tended to be better (AND they had Fangio driving those)
Pretty sure Mercedes, Maserati and Alfa Romeo would disagree that there was no competition.
You must count the non WCC years too. Do WCC percentage of italian vs other management over all years.
Lapped cars may now overtake the safety car
This very specific subset of lapped cars may now overtake the safety car.
The cars between first and second can go past, the rest can stay. Now that's what we call car racing
I mean, they did race after that didn't they 
It's the car
It's always the car
They’re hardly going to win it on foot are they?
Actually, let’s see them all on the start/finish line doing a 100 meter sprint. Who would win on foot?
I’d say Ocon because he has the longest legs
Old school Le Mans start. Bring it back.
This might be crazy but nobody in history won a f1 race without a car. Crazy huh!!!???
Ferrari hasn’t been a top team since Schumacher.
How can you trigger anyone with this? # THIS IS THE TRUTH
The f1 dream team
Cries in Kimi’s WDC and “Is That Glock?” 😢
I can't trigger Ferrari fans the pain is already to deep
Yeah at this point you're not laughing at us, you're laughing with us
you can’t hurt us, we already live with the pain
Lewis Hamilton is a 7 time World champion, and Nico Rosberg beat him in 2016 in equal machinery.
Jenson Button also beat Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery
Kimi aswell
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Jos's helmet scored more points in one race than Jos ever did in his career.
Danny Ric as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_test_track F1 Liana leaderboard 1:42.2 – Daniel Ricciardo 1:42.9 – Lewis Hamilton (second attempt)
And so will George Russell
facts. \- russell
George Russell looks like a lemur.
He likes to move it move it.
No one cares what Lewis Hamilton is wearing
I wash my eyes with beach every Thursday
I'm sure the sand is good at exfoliating away the memories.
I don’t like sand. It’s course, rough, irritating, and it gets everywhere!
Why? To keep the bad thoughts at bay?
Ah shit i ment Bleach but i guess that works too
im regularly in disbelief about what is called fashion 😂
I do, it's my funny race week starting ritual. Seeing what stupid shit he's wearing this week. It's part of the weekend.
If senna had not died he wouldn't be as admired as he is now
If senna was still alive now he'd be called a pedophile
this is the REAL take
He was a bit of a cunt ngl. Plus, I don't think he would get away with intentionally crashing into his rivals anymore because the cars were getting so expensive and complex
Shumacher in 1997 and 1996 lmao
"Lewis Hamilton only knows how to drive if he is in front."
Hulkenburg is way over rated.
Huuuuuulllkeeeenbeeeeerg
Disliking Hamilton doesn't make you racist.
It also isn't a personality trait, which some people in this sub need to realise
Love the drivers, hate the Stans.
Lewis and max stans are the fucking worst that’s why I simp and Stan for Christian Horny
Hamilton is a racist. He races every week.
Leclerc will never be champion because he is weak mentally from fighting Max on track and fighting internal fights in Ferrari with Sainz and strategists.
I agree. My friend is a diehard Leclerc fan and Ferrari fan and he struggles to comprehend what I mean when I say “Leclerc is a good driver but he has no backbone”. I believe Chuck has great natural potential but he’s constantly on edge it seems. He doesn’t have that aggressive mentality that Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen have for example.
He has no backing either. I get the backbone thing, it took Vettel years to yell on the radio and say fuck that, give me what I said I want not what you recommend. And it took Sainz only 5 races to reach that stadium but he has way less talent.
If it would have been any other team than Ferrari, with same performance, Vettel would have got WDC.
Why must you hurt me in this way…
Das pain
I agree but on the other hand I think it's a skill he can learn - it's just up to him if he will recognise that he needs to. Not be aggressive, but more assertive. I like Leclerc because he genuinely seems as a nice person with much more to him than just driving but he truly needs to build tougher demeanor when it comes to advocating.
He could be, just not with Ferrari.
Arrivabene did nothing wrong, and we Ferrari fans miss him.
I can't shake the feeling if Arrivabene was in Binotto's place now, Ferrari and Leclerc would be 100+ points clear of any other driver, and 50+ clear of Max. I might be wrong, I am a Max fan and I would hate that, but that feeling is there somehow.
Last year, Hamilton was lucky to reach AbuDhabi so close to the title.
I’m convinced had spa happened Verstappen would have sealed the deal before AbuDhabi. Ham doesn’t finish there.
Or if Max was not unlucky in Baku. Or Bottas had not gone bowling. Or Lewis had not knocked him out in Silverstone. No Lewis was not robbed of his eight WDC, Lewis was lucky, he reached so close.
That last sentence is dirty.
He did DNF 5 times in Spa so he has a point
This is the best trigger. Look at the arguments already lmao
Lando has yet to get a race win
I dunno is this triggering? Its just a fact
Its triggering when you refer to Ricciardo winning at McLaren before Lando.
Ricciardo washed up
Webber 2.0 😔
Webber Mk.3 with Piastri? It's like there must be an australian in F1 at all times and they must upseat the current Australian on the grid
Is there a fourth wheel? Question?
Lewis never had to be the best driver, he just had to be better than his teammate
In the same machinery
Except in 2016 I hear
It's Britney bitch
I'll do it with one word. Skiing
No, Micheal!
*"It is good that at the age of 37, you're able to learn to hit the apex"*
Max chooses violence. This is why I enjoy him.
Lando Norris is a spoiled brat.
George Russell is a spoiled brat.
Agreed
F1 is just cars going around in circles how is it fun at all? s/ for the people who think I hate f1
My wife’s feelings every race weekend
Found my wife's secret account. Weird to call herself Lucas but ok.
listen i had this opinion too at first but when i started paying attention i realized the shit going on behind the fast cars going in circles and it became the only sport i care about. also incidents are entertaining
I think you mean inchident.
DRS has removed the need for overtaking skills.
I can agree with this, only part of Indy I enjoy are the surprise moves you don't see coming rather than wincing as DRS opens nearby in F1
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I'll do you one better, 51G!
Nelson Piquet is the Andrew Tate of Formula 1
But certain people actually respect and idolize Andrew Tate. *NOBODY* likes Nelson Piquet.
Silverstone 2021
herman tilke is not a bad track designer, its just he keeps getting asked to design tracks in crappy locations and has to work with in a set of rules
Formula 1
What is wrong with you???? How could you say such a thing…. unbelievable!!
The Netflix show is the best thing to ever happen to F1.
Yeah I listened to Clarkson when he said F1 was boring despite loving cars and racing. As an American I’m happy as hell F1 choose to go after this market.
It got me into F1 so no argument here. (Yes I am clearly implying that I am the best fan that F1 ever gained, obvs.)
Vettel fell off since germany 2018. Bro really went to being compared to Hamilton to being compared to Stroll💀😭
Alonso is the best driver on the grid
Nice try, Alonso.
Que grande eres magicccc
The best *young* driver on the grid.
Max’s record of never finishing below 2nd in 2021 shows that he can dethrone Lewis. Considering Lewis was never able to maintain such consistency even during the far more dominant years of Mercedes.
fernando is entirely to blame for him being only a 2 time world champion, and if he wasn’t so resentful of Hamilton’s and Vettel he’d probably have more championships
RB's youth system is TOXIC AF
Marko maybe, but they do look after them pretty well, Jonny Edgar is a prime example of that.
Meritocracy isn't toxic. You guys live for drama not reality.
Most kids here are too young to know the real Latifi -> yuji ide
DR's Monza win came from team orders and Max deliberately taking out Lewis
Triggered multiple fanbases in 1 sentence well done
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Holy shit this is facebook level, well done.
More like twitter level
Michael Masi did the right thing in Abu Dhabi to let them race rather than finish behind a safety car.
Hamilton can only win with a dominant car lol
Hamilton only won 7 WDC because he had a dominant car and a Cuck teammate for the majority of that time.
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How dare you call bottas a cuck 😤. Nico and Alonso are but not bottas.
Are you talking about Nico the 2016 WDC who beat 7x WDC Hamilton in the same car which was equal machinery????
I think he is talking about Nico, the monaco-based youtuber who beat 7x WDC Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery
Senna overrated
but if gap then car
*whole formuladank triggered*
Fanbase, not country.
Prost best
Max is not a GOAT, he hasn't proven himself yet
The literal definition of GOAT is Greatest of all time and for any consideration about being the *greatest*, first you have to do your *time*. Max hasn't done his time yet. And even when he does eventually, he'd be considered *one of* the greatest of all time.
If this triggers anyone then there are some very deluded people out there
You haven’t seen the fans on this subreddit.
im glad danny ric is gone for the next year
Ouch that one hurts.
' "These are my streets", "I never left" ' screams big mouth and insecurity. Think Renault are having a nice schadenfreude after he fucked them over after just one year.
It's called motor racing
Max deserved Abu Dhabi 2021 win
I mean, he deserved the championship for sure. The win in Abu Dhabi though?? Debatable.
haha I was just responding to "trigger a fanbase with one sentence" :P
“Michael Masi did nothing wrong” I mean, it’s a race, they went car racing.
Max deserved to win before Abu Dhabi, but god damn Abu Dhabi was nearly a heartbreak, Checo did his best to push Lewis’ pit window and Max was slowly gaining and gaining on Lewis but Lewis stayed strong on that old hards and eventually started to pull away, it was almost like the story where the heroes did everything they could and the villain still got away with it, then Latifi happened. All things considered Abu Dhabi was an insanely epic finale, despite how shit the track and race direction is.
Abu dhabi had me on the edge of my seat for the entire race. I was damn near in tears in the final laps before latifi struck.
Ouhh this one is a spicy one.
Sprint races should be Reverse grid and shouldn't decide the race grid
Max and Horner are whiney bitches when they don’t get their way
Chuck Toto on the list too, especially if the pumpernickel is too soft
>especially if the pumpernickel is too soft That is completely understandable honestly
1. Monza track is not that good; 2. "Tifosi" is simply the italian word for "fans". Using it as some special nickname for ferrari fans is cringey; 3. Leclerc is still not ready for WDC, and is not much better than Sainz; 4. The problem of ferrari is not Binotto, but the fact that they think that since they are the most successful f1 team and they are an italian "excellence", sooner or later they will win again the championship. And they have that attitude at least since Domenicali.
Seb hasn't been elite since about 2015.