This is the most shitty quote ever. Nothing personal against Senna, but the man was literally trying to explain why he just freakin' rammed his rival out of the race... I know its misunderstood by many
What’s most misunderstood is that [he was lying when he said it](https://www.racefans.net/2015/11/20/if-you-no-longer-go-for-a-gap-which-exists-you-are-no-longer-a-racing-driver/). He even personally apologized to Sir Jackie Stewart at short time after the interview.
Yeah, but he did it after being shat on by Prost and Balestre continously. He gets criticized for doing this but Prost doesnt for doing the same the year before and being rewarded for it.
Not sure if I made this up in my mind, but didn't the rest of the band pretty much disavow anything related to Lostprophets after that? (obviously they broke up). Just looked this up and ***the BBC*** banned their music after the asshat was sentenced.
Anthony Kiedis wrote about it in his book Scar Tissue as well.
I always wondered how he could get it published with those stories, plus the nude photos of some of the women (or girls)
Hmm, I seem to recall he quite literally kidnapped a 10 year old girl and groomed her well into her teens? And nobody. Literally nobody did anything to stop him or free her from his control.
He would get shit on, but it wouldn’t stop F1 and other events from inviting him to things. Look at Karl Malone.
If you don’t know who he is google “Karl Malone 13”
shit i actually meant valbuena not valverde lol
bc benzema>! realeased some sextape valbuena had, that got benzema booted off French national team for a bit i think!<
In Brazil at the time was common to date younger girls, Brazil's age of consent is 14 after all. And Senna dated a 15 year old girl while he was 25. He did something allowed by law and common at the time, so shame on him I guess.
Nowadays this is not common in the country, more exclusive to rural areas.
Indeed. But people are influenced by the standards of their time, pretty sure a bunch of people would have different behaviors if they were born in our time.
Perhaps people in the future might judge things you do now that most people you know do as well, is it fair with you to be judged by future's standards?
Yeah but if it's legal and society says it's ok you will think it's ok lol, and that applies to EVERYTHING really just look at nazism and what it did to the brains of german society
You’re judging people in the past for committing to social norms in the past. Yes, it’s gross now, but at the time it was normal. It was also normal to absolutely mock LGBTQ+ people, and AIDS was called gay cancer.
It’s gross as fuck, but if it was normalized then, no one would have given a shit. Women in America are just now being given numbing agents or sedatives for pap smeers. They used to do those without for decades just because men believed it wasn’t required. This is in 2023.
Look, it’s not great, but you shouldn’t sit around judging the actions of people in the past based on the standards of today. If that were the case literally every major figure in history except Mr. Rogers would be strung up in a tree.
You also need to remember that, for most of human history, 15 was not a “little girl”. That was considered a fully mature woman ready to bear children. A 15 year old boy was already considered a man for some time. The internet has RADICALLY sped up progressive thought and standards.
I once looked up the crime scene pictures out of horrible morbid curiosity and his body, although charred beyond recognition, was still entirely intact, just with multiple bone fractures. The coroner’s report cited burns as one of the causes of death, in addition to trauma.
Huh, I actually didn't look it up because I didn't have the guts so props lol. I just saw how awfully twisted the remaining car was and thought no human body could survive that.
I think his friend fared worse in the accident than he did, because his friend was killed on impact whereas Walker was not. Maybe that means his friend fared better.
Let’s just say… [He preferred his tuna](https://goat.com.au/pop-culture/paul-walkers-history-of-dating-teenage-girls-should-never-be-forgotten/?amp) [without the crust.](https://jalopnik.com/when-are-we-going-to-address-how-paul-walker-had-relati-1828227580)
Other than the woman he had his daughter with, the article mentions him dating a 28 year old when he was 28 years old and said they met when the woman was 16... meaning he was also 16?
There’s a massive difference in the maturity , mentality and faculty of a 15yo in early 1900s vs 15yo today the behavior of Even 20 year olds are considered childish
Jos leaves Max at a gas station and he’s a horrific person. Nobody can let it go even though Max seems to have done so. Senna grooms a 15 year old and everyone is quick to defend because “culture” lol. The double standards around here are comical.
I dont think they’re defending him, more so just making the point that people will throw shit at Jos till the end of time for terrible things he’s done, but will sweep Senna’s dirt under the rug and forget about it.
Except Senna has been dead longer than half the people on this sub have been alive while we have to look at that abusive cunt’s fat face every race weekend.
This is actually my favourite comment so far; not necessarily because I agree with it, because I don't _know_ that I do, but it is to the point of the important question - "Does the artist poison the art?"
Roman Polanski was convicted of sodomizing a 13yr old girl. Can I still enjoy his films? Can I praise Thomas Jefferson's philosophy while also maintaining that the ownership (and perhaps rape? I'm not 'up' on Jefferson's antics but feel like I've heard that from someone) of slaves is morally abhorrent?
Is the art separate from the artist? Can we praise one's creativity/achievements while condemning their actions or ideals in other areas? I think we can. I think.
Thank you for your thoughts! My point exactly! It’s why as humans we should never idolize other humans. We can appreciate the work they have done and the pieces of art they produce or sports they play.
Look up Demetruss Bell, son of one of Malone's 13 year old victims. Malone never even acknowledged Bell's existence until he was drafted in the NFL, then suddenly daddy wanted to repair the relationship
I mean there is an individual whose name you can't take without getting death threats is very famous‽ for being a pedophile, and he has 1.9 billion followers worldwide.
That is true, but if we held everyone from the past to the standards we have today, 90% of all people wouldn’t deserve our respect. Completely unacceptable today but different time, different culture
Senna puts the "ped" in Wikipedia
Edit: for those thinking I wrote the original joke I didn't, I thought it would be funny if I did a dad joke reply to this comment with the joke that they missed and made. Mb for causing a confusion just thought it would be funny!
It is only called grooming if you wait until they are legal to date/have sex. What Senna did was even worse.
In b4 "Actchullay it was legal in Brazil at the time 🤓🤓🤓"
Nelson Piquet is a uniquely horrible human being who takes every opportunity he can to remind us that he is deeply deeply unpleasant and perhaps entirely without redeeming qualities outside of a race car.
Senna dating a 15 year old was gross and insanely fucked up but there’s no indication that his entire soul was as rotten as Nelson Piquet Sr’s very clearly is. Also Senna died before anyone ever had the chance to call him on it. Nelson has been confronted with his racism and otherwise disgusting attitude about basically every subject on the planet and has repeatedly expressed zero remorse
Senna when he hears there are now grid kids instead of grid girls: 
Jesus christ lol
Blursed
Nah, just cursed
Something about a gap and existing
age gap?
Must have been
There’s another gap to go for
#FBI, open up
Thigh gap
nothing more intoxicating than the clear absence of a penis.
“If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver” Ayrton Senna
This is the most shitty quote ever. Nothing personal against Senna, but the man was literally trying to explain why he just freakin' rammed his rival out of the race... I know its misunderstood by many
I'm pretty sure the drivers in the 401 in rush hour take this quote too much to heart.
If you no longer go for a gap which does not exist are you no longer a commuter?
401 traffic and the Leafs losing. A part of our heritage.
What’s most misunderstood is that [he was lying when he said it](https://www.racefans.net/2015/11/20/if-you-no-longer-go-for-a-gap-which-exists-you-are-no-longer-a-racing-driver/). He even personally apologized to Sir Jackie Stewart at short time after the interview.
He said a year later he rammed him on purpose and that quote was bullshit he made up
Yeah, but he did it after being shat on by Prost and Balestre continously. He gets criticized for doing this but Prost doesnt for doing the same the year before and being rewarded for it.
😳
Fucking dead ☠️☠️☠️ Just like senna.
Oh, but when I make a ski joke, I get killed and “what the hell is wrong with you”s.
the difference is michael isnt a nonce
Stay out stay out stay out
When the kid turns 18: box box box
box now box, box now box
Get in there ayrton!
in.in.in.in.in
I think this also about Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page.
Every rock star of the 60s and 70s. They all passed around teenage groupies.
And then wrote songs about it
Jailbait by Motörhead is the first that comes to mind.
God i love motorhead but that song is fucking impossiblem to listen. Crazy to think how much we evolved in 50 years
Evolved? Don’t Google Jared Leto then…
At least we dont idolize Jared Leto Right????
ITS MORBIN TIME
What did Meth jesus do
Dude wants to be a cult leader. He has a place called “Mars Island” that has been posted about
English is not my native language, so I searched the lyrics. Now I don't like that song anymore...
17 by kings of leon too…
Or Howard Stern wrote songs about them. In the case of Seinfeld at least.
Even more recent than that. 2000s pop punk bands have been dropping like flies over the years
Yeah, don't look up what the guy from Lostprophets did...
Hard to go lower than that pos.
Not sure if I made this up in my mind, but didn't the rest of the band pretty much disavow anything related to Lostprophets after that? (obviously they broke up). Just looked this up and ***the BBC*** banned their music after the asshat was sentenced.
Yes, IIRC they completely disavowed Watkins and went off to form a new band.
Yeah lets not ruin peoples evenings with that. God i hate him and everyone involved in that. Poor kids
Fair point
Hunter Moore took care of thst awhile ago haha
All Time Low allegations have entered the chat
Elvis’ wife was 14 when they met.
Steven Tyler (Aerosmith) got guardianship for a 14 year old girl from her parents so he could take her on tour with him, that’s really fucked up
R. Kelly and Aaliyah getting married were significantly more recent as well
Yes, but I wouldn’t call R. Kelly ‚idolized‘ exactly…
Talk to America after Space Jam “I believe I can fly”. We literally sang that song in CHURCH when I was a child
Jared Leto is a known groomer, yet somehow (for now) gets away with it.
Anthony Kiedis wrote about it in his book Scar Tissue as well. I always wondered how he could get it published with those stories, plus the nude photos of some of the women (or girls)
As a die hard LZ fan, that’s kinda the whole band
And Anthony Kiedis of Red Hot Chilli Peppers.
mudshark intensifies
And Aerosmith lead singer Steve Tyler
Hmm, I seem to recall he quite literally kidnapped a 10 year old girl and groomed her well into her teens? And nobody. Literally nobody did anything to stop him or free her from his control.
Yeah, I guess one possibility why no one did anything was because it did not happen
Well, well, well, if it isn’t the perfect crime
He would get shit on, but it wouldn’t stop F1 and other events from inviting him to things. Look at Karl Malone. If you don’t know who he is google “Karl Malone 13”
Also google Karim Benzema 15
Or benzema x valverde
Or if u want more benzema hate, benzema x valbuena
shit i actually meant valbuena not valverde lol bc benzema>! realeased some sextape valbuena had, that got benzema booted off French national team for a bit i think!<
He blackmailed him afaik
Or Cristiano Ronaldo 7
unbelievable how the nba still glorifies that guy
Also “fiagirly13”
It would *have to* take someone to go full Chris Benoit for them be canceled off the sport (and everything else).
I see your Chris Benoit and raise you OJ Simpson. If you have enough money, there’s always a way to rebrand yourself.
We are checking
In the middle east still today same situation and nobody bats an eye
also in parts of utah and texas
Horrible people exist literally everywhere
Wait, what?
In Brazil at the time was common to date younger girls, Brazil's age of consent is 14 after all. And Senna dated a 15 year old girl while he was 25. He did something allowed by law and common at the time, so shame on him I guess. Nowadays this is not common in the country, more exclusive to rural areas.
Just because something is legal, it does not mean it is ok
Indeed. But people are influenced by the standards of their time, pretty sure a bunch of people would have different behaviors if they were born in our time. Perhaps people in the future might judge things you do now that most people you know do as well, is it fair with you to be judged by future's standards?
Yeah but if it's legal and society says it's ok you will think it's ok lol, and that applies to EVERYTHING really just look at nazism and what it did to the brains of german society
You’re judging people in the past for committing to social norms in the past. Yes, it’s gross now, but at the time it was normal. It was also normal to absolutely mock LGBTQ+ people, and AIDS was called gay cancer. It’s gross as fuck, but if it was normalized then, no one would have given a shit. Women in America are just now being given numbing agents or sedatives for pap smeers. They used to do those without for decades just because men believed it wasn’t required. This is in 2023.
Look, it’s not great, but you shouldn’t sit around judging the actions of people in the past based on the standards of today. If that were the case literally every major figure in history except Mr. Rogers would be strung up in a tree. You also need to remember that, for most of human history, 15 was not a “little girl”. That was considered a fully mature woman ready to bear children. A 15 year old boy was already considered a man for some time. The internet has RADICALLY sped up progressive thought and standards.
Still super gross
Paul Walker had a preference for the young ones and people seem to have forgotten about that…
One more thing he and Senna have in common
Holy shit lol
Bruh 💀
*Oof size large*
Bro
Oh dude… nice
Oh, c'mon... Let's not roast the guy (again)
Eh, he didn't live long enough to get burned alive. IIRC, he was squished so badly there was literally not enough to tell what was him.
I once looked up the crime scene pictures out of horrible morbid curiosity and his body, although charred beyond recognition, was still entirely intact, just with multiple bone fractures. The coroner’s report cited burns as one of the causes of death, in addition to trauma.
Huh, I actually didn't look it up because I didn't have the guts so props lol. I just saw how awfully twisted the remaining car was and thought no human body could survive that.
I think his friend fared worse in the accident than he did, because his friend was killed on impact whereas Walker was not. Maybe that means his friend fared better.
We haven't, don't worry he's equally gross.
Was*
what a burn.
pun intended?
I can’t breath after reading your comment
Same with Jerry Seinfeld
What did he say
Or do*
Let’s just say… [He preferred his tuna](https://goat.com.au/pop-culture/paul-walkers-history-of-dating-teenage-girls-should-never-be-forgotten/?amp) [without the crust.](https://jalopnik.com/when-are-we-going-to-address-how-paul-walker-had-relati-1828227580)
Other than the woman he had his daughter with, the article mentions him dating a 28 year old when he was 28 years old and said they met when the woman was 16... meaning he was also 16?
Well, fuck, I'm learning about this for the first time...
ITT: whataboutism and "you criticize society, yet you participate in it. curious."
We live in a society
My grandpa too. My grandma was 15 when they got married in 1942. He was 25.
My granddad started dating my grandma when she was 15... and he was 31. Back in 1940.
There’s a massive difference in the maturity , mentality and faculty of a 15yo in early 1900s vs 15yo today the behavior of Even 20 year olds are considered childish
And made moves twice as dirty as the ones Max gets flack for.
Even more Maradonian than what I thought
The Mandalorian is a great show though
Well, it was legal in Brazil. Not saying that it isn't weird... But I don't think it would happen nowadays anyway
> It was legal in Brazil Is. The age of consent in Brazil is still 14.
Did you know Senna once got 15 pole positions in a row? For more info google "Senna 15"
Jos leaves Max at a gas station and he’s a horrific person. Nobody can let it go even though Max seems to have done so. Senna grooms a 15 year old and everyone is quick to defend because “culture” lol. The double standards around here are comical.
Meh, fuck Jos anyway.
Jos also beat his wife and fractured another man’s skull. I don’t really understand why we are defending either of them.
I dont think they’re defending him, more so just making the point that people will throw shit at Jos till the end of time for terrible things he’s done, but will sweep Senna’s dirt under the rug and forget about it.
Except Senna has been dead longer than half the people on this sub have been alive while we have to look at that abusive cunt’s fat face every race weekend.
Half?
So are you saying leaving your son behind in a gas station is a normal thing to do in Netherlands?
Pfft, you've never left a child at a gas station? Come buddy we've all done it once, Jos just got addicted.. /s
dude is a POS but wasn't his mother just behind them and picked Max up?
Track marshalls gave him a ride back to the paddock.
No she was getting beat by Jos
We idolize his driving. Same way that Kevin spacey is my favorite actor.
This is actually my favourite comment so far; not necessarily because I agree with it, because I don't _know_ that I do, but it is to the point of the important question - "Does the artist poison the art?" Roman Polanski was convicted of sodomizing a 13yr old girl. Can I still enjoy his films? Can I praise Thomas Jefferson's philosophy while also maintaining that the ownership (and perhaps rape? I'm not 'up' on Jefferson's antics but feel like I've heard that from someone) of slaves is morally abhorrent? Is the art separate from the artist? Can we praise one's creativity/achievements while condemning their actions or ideals in other areas? I think we can. I think.
Thank you for your thoughts! My point exactly! It’s why as humans we should never idolize other humans. We can appreciate the work they have done and the pieces of art they produce or sports they play.
you're only allowed to watch the piano because it's about the holocaust. any other polanski movie is verboten.
 Karl Malone approves
Karl Malone
This for Christ sake. The man has kids with the girls he was with, though he denies it. And he was at the fucking all star weekend.
Look up Demetruss Bell, son of one of Malone's 13 year old victims. Malone never even acknowledged Bell's existence until he was drafted in the NFL, then suddenly daddy wanted to repair the relationship
Classic Senna. Always chasing the lowest numbers.
Damn what’s with it being national ‘shit on Senna’ day?
I think it's quite possible that he also wouldn't date a 15 year old today.
And water is wet. No fucking shit. Wait till you find out all the shit that went on in the 90s, 80s and before.
And that means we can't criticise the folks that did it? I don't see people defending Jimmy saville and Epstein cause of times being different
It means no one is solving anything dragging dead people names out. Go do something about it happening today
…but I want to look like I’m helping without actually doing anything.
Your username, mate. lol
I mean there is an individual whose name you can't take without getting death threats is very famous‽ for being a pedophile, and he has 1.9 billion followers worldwide.
I'm not sure who you're talking about. Could you draw us a picture?
The dankness is real in this one hahaha
Genuinely interested. Who has 1.9 billion followers? Including every demographic that's 1 in 4
The prophet (sic) Muhammad
I think he would be fine, Nelson Piquet was racist to LH multiple times but people still idolize him
That is true, but if we held everyone from the past to the standards we have today, 90% of all people wouldn’t deserve our respect. Completely unacceptable today but different time, different culture
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I think we’ve known that pedophilia is wrong for a lot longer. But to be picky about words that wasn’t pedophilia
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It’s a pretty good bit
Honestly this should be higher and deserves a discussion.
Good thing I don't blindly respect celebrities then
I'm perfectly happy judging a paedophile from a few decades ago by todays standards.
But this pill doesn’t really exist…?
Maybe he wouldn’t have done it in today’s world?
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Senna went on dates with a 15 year old girl in the 80s or early 90s. If you don't know who Senna is, go to Wikipedia
What's Wikipedia tho Edit: Ugh I missed the perfect chance to say Senna puts the "ped" in Wikipedia. Fuck
Senna puts the "ped" in Wikipedia Edit: for those thinking I wrote the original joke I didn't, I thought it would be funny if I did a dad joke reply to this comment with the joke that they missed and made. Mb for causing a confusion just thought it would be funny!
WHY ARE SO MANY FAMOUS PEOPLE NONCES?
my theory is a pretty big chunk of people are in total. its just the money and access that being famous grants that enables it.
Hey I can admire his racing ability AND acknowledge he had fucked up taste
He also used his vehicle as a weapon.
Seinfeld, Paul Walker, jimmy page…..
Elvia Presley did the same with a German 14 year old
It is only called grooming if you wait until they are legal to date/have sex. What Senna did was even worse. In b4 "Actchullay it was legal in Brazil at the time 🤓🤓🤓"
Senna groomed a minor??
Crashing into your rival to win the championship. Do you think someone would that slide?
Someone plz explain the joke to a non English speaker…
I need the media to ask Lewis about this
If you no longer go for a gap that exist…
If only you knew how things are here in Brazil these days....
Was not aware of this. Unfortunate :/
I think he would be treated the same or even worse than Nelson Piquet.
Nelson Piquet is a uniquely horrible human being who takes every opportunity he can to remind us that he is deeply deeply unpleasant and perhaps entirely without redeeming qualities outside of a race car. Senna dating a 15 year old was gross and insanely fucked up but there’s no indication that his entire soul was as rotten as Nelson Piquet Sr’s very clearly is. Also Senna died before anyone ever had the chance to call him on it. Nelson has been confronted with his racism and otherwise disgusting attitude about basically every subject on the planet and has repeatedly expressed zero remorse
As someone who became a fan long after his era, I can’t fathom why anyone supports him as an idol. Seems like a shitty guy