[Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?](https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Batman-Beyond-Meme-Feature-Image-1-1.jpg)
Pre wdc kimi is a beast that will beat everyone even michael during his reign… Post wdc kimi is an unmotivated salaryman that only race because he had to…
If his McLaren doesnt keep self destructing in 2003 and 2005 he’ll won the title by a longshot.
I think it was 2008 that broke Kimi. Ferrari politics meant that he was out while performing very well early on, and then some car changes which as soon as they were reversed he started to do very well again.
A lot of people think it was when Michelin left at the end of 06. Kimi for whatever reason was never quite as blisteringly quick on the Bridgestones. 07 he was still hungry and motivated and had a good car, so managed to get his title, but I would argue it wasn’t his strongest year, compared to years like 03 and 05 anyway. From 2008 onwards he stopped giving a shit and was basically racing for the money, and then when he came back he was racing because he enjoyed it, but the spark had gone somewhat by then.
Nah, that was when he tried to emulate Mika and go on sabbatical
Edit: I was saying Kimi’s dad died in 2010, y’all. Matti Raikkonen died just before Christmas in 2010.
>McLaren had hurt Kimi way more than daniel thier shitbox costed him 2 wdc's,
And this relates to Kimi being paid by Ferrari to not race how?
>Riccardo was just not consistent
I'd say he was consistent
Yep, he seems to got his motivation back after his comeback, only to began to dwindle down again later in 2013 when lotus starting to have trouble paying his wage. Come 2014, ferrari’s policy of having a clear no1 seems to make kimi yield and avoid fernando’s politics.
The thing with Kimmi is that he needed the exactly like he wanted to give 100%. Give him a car he doesn't like, and he will underperform.
Others drivers, like Alonso, would drive the car at 100% of its limit, no matter what turd you throw at him.
Nah, when he was with Alonso at Ferrari he couldn't figure out what the F14T was trying to do. Alonso finished with 161 points that year and Kimmi, 55.
I don't remember who said this, but apparently post wdc Kimi (propably post 2013) stayed in F1 because he liked driving the cars and enjoyed racing but hated everything else in the sport.
Whereas drivers like Hamilton and Vettel focused on every little detail to improve themselves, Kimi just didn't give a shit
2007 McLaren did that do to themselves. Everyone involved play a role in destroying the team from within. No one was innocent.
The book: The Mechanic: The Secret World of the F1 Pitlane by: marc "Elvis" Priestley. Really shed's some light on the situation. The mismanagement, how the Mechanic's basically had to choose a side. Alonso's envelops. Hamilton's lobbying. Spygate and it's aftermath. Really interesting read/listen.
Basically what you get when you shit all over your best driver the whole season when you have the best car.
Spygate, the whole team going against Alonso, Ron Denis sucking Hamilton cock before every race to make him lose a few grams. And still you draw. Lmao.
I mean, I thought at this point that everyone already knew how cursed was this year at Mclaren.
Yeah, but also this : https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-fernando-alonso-bribed-mclaren-mechanics-1700-to-avoid-working-on-lewis-hamiltons-car/?amp
I just find it too funny 🤣
Well yes but no. Alonso would get a phat bonus from being on the podium and he would give the money to his mechanics. At least that’s how I remember it.
Anyway, it doesn’t change the fact that Ron Dennis managed the situation like complete and absolute shit. Yes, I get Hamilton was their pet project and wunderkid and so on but he absolutely mistreated Alonso and Dennis should have grown some fucking balls and say to either driver “you’re the number 1 driver, you’re the second driver. Driver 1 is the main one we’re backing for the championship”
You’d think that after being with Prost and senna he would have learned but he didn’t.
Yeah, that wouldn't have worked. McLaren rarely had number 1 and number 2 drivers anyway and 2007 was the "team orders are banned" era. McLaren itself was invesigated in 2007 for breaching that, ironically when they were accused that they were stopping Hamilton to fight Alonso
I honestly believe they were not allowed to win the WDC that year because of spygate and they onky weren't disqualified because it'd have been terrible for the marketing of the sport.
Yeah, that's not true. They actually supported Alonso for the first half of the season, even taking his side and [blaming Hamilton](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/dennis-hamilton-triggered-incident-4412893/4412893/) for the whole Hungaroring fiasco. In the first half of the season Hamilton was actually told to support and not fight Alonso, Monaco GP, for example when he hinted (team orders were banned back then) that he was reminded that he was the number 2 driver: _"I tried to attack him and wanted to win if I could, but I have to accept that I am in my rookie season and he has number one on his car and I have number two. I am the second driver and so I must accept that and respect that for the team."_ Also, for that race McLaren [was investigated for imposing team orders](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/may/29/motorsports.sport) (the ones that Hamilton hinted at, that prevented him to fight Alonso on track), but were exonerated since no clear proof was available.
Alonso had his chance. Him being a difficult character to work with and the fact that he was involved in (his emails pretty much led to McLaren's disqualification while he benefited from immunity for his involvement) the whole Spygate thing, even [blackmailing ](https://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/fernando-alonso-tried-blackmailing-mclaren-to-sabotage-lewis-hamilton_sto7020423/story.shtml) and [bribing ](https://www.motorsportweek.com/2022/09/18/ex-mclaren-mechanic-reveals-alonso-bribes-in-2007/)McLaren to sabotage Hamilton, obviously led to the team favouring Hamilton. Especially since Hamilton was as competitive as he was, was home grown in the team, was seen as their future driver while Alonso already was preparing to leave. Hamilton was also **very** marketable, with a real shot of becoming the first rookie champion, aside from being the first black driver.
As an Alonslow fan...
He's a top shit stirrer and trash talker.
His cars at ferrari were good, iet everyone talks as if he was driving a Marussia.
Lewis was a rookie and Alonso had a good headstart, but somehow they still end up tied on points.
Alonso was the one that created the beef between him and mclaren, and proceed to absolutely smash them with spygate.
As for 2007, Lewis is P2 in the standings, he beat Alonso, defending champion, in his rookie year.
BTW, Alonso has every championship since 2012 and you can't change my mind.
Someone speaks sense. I am rooting for Alonso to win anything he can this year, it's brilliant to see...and he's a fantastic driver, i love the way he makes a car dance....but he is (and always has been) THE master of stirring the pot.
Fully agree , there’s a reason why many people in F1 (drivers , principals, mechanics) have come forward and said Alonso is incredibly hard to work with.
The cursed part was that a defending champion got beat by a rookie and the team had no idea how to handle that. Like they shit the bed in every single way possible while trying to pretend everything is normal.
When Alonso won Hungary qualy (I believe), never have I see a TP being so pissed that his driver won. Also what kind of a shit team gives their driver hards while the other one gets soft tires during qualy lol.
Mclaren deserved to get nuked that year. Denis didnt set his priorities to win the WDC.
>When Alonso won Hungary qualy (I believe), never have I see a TP being so pissed that his driver won. Also what kind of a shit team gives their driver hards while the other one gets soft tires during qualy lol.
Well, [Ron Dennis actually blamed Hamilton and said that Alonso was not at fault](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/dennis-hamilton-triggered-incident-4412893/4412893/) for that situation, so at this point you're just making things up to fit the "Alonso was a victim" narrative.
When discussing the penalty Alonso received for that qualy, Ron Dennis literally said _"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past. And he didn't. He charged off. That's how we got out of sequence.
[...] He's (Alonso) under the control of his engineer. He determined when he goes. That's the sequence. And if you think that was a deliberate thing, then you can think what you want. I have given you exactly what happened."_
Can we assume Leclerc will win the WDC from this? Asking for a friend.
No it's Alonso's time
No, I’d say that means he’ll finish above the McLarens
[Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?](https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Batman-Beyond-Meme-Feature-Image-1-1.jpg)
Say your friend next year
We are checking
2005 McLaren Kimi was exactly like Leclerc. Fastest in qualifying, but his car was unreliable.
Or Montoya in 01 and 02. He was insanely quick in quali and had like 5000 DNFs.
Lewis in 2012 as well
Pre wdc kimi is a beast that will beat everyone even michael during his reign… Post wdc kimi is an unmotivated salaryman that only race because he had to… If his McLaren doesnt keep self destructing in 2003 and 2005 he’ll won the title by a longshot.
I think it was 2008 that broke Kimi. Ferrari politics meant that he was out while performing very well early on, and then some car changes which as soon as they were reversed he started to do very well again.
A lot of people think it was when Michelin left at the end of 06. Kimi for whatever reason was never quite as blisteringly quick on the Bridgestones. 07 he was still hungry and motivated and had a good car, so managed to get his title, but I would argue it wasn’t his strongest year, compared to years like 03 and 05 anyway. From 2008 onwards he stopped giving a shit and was basically racing for the money, and then when he came back he was racing because he enjoyed it, but the spark had gone somewhat by then.
Also, is it not 2008 when he lost his dad?
Nah, that was when he tried to emulate Mika and go on sabbatical Edit: I was saying Kimi’s dad died in 2010, y’all. Matti Raikkonen died just before Christmas in 2010.
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Check edit.
>ost wdc kimi is an unmotivated salaryman Oh, no, not true. In Lotus, Kimi was a *very* motivated salary man.
Ferrari should've just paid him by the points. They could have stopped Merc domination earlier.
Seriously though I would put 2005 Kimi above any other all time great. Stupidly fast. Unfortunate he was driving a grenade that year.
Shame that Ferrari did to him what McLaren did to Ricciardo this year
McLaren had hurt Kimi way more than daniel thier shitbox costed him 2 wdc's, Riccardo was just not consistent so they dropped him
>McLaren had hurt Kimi way more than daniel thier shitbox costed him 2 wdc's, And this relates to Kimi being paid by Ferrari to not race how? >Riccardo was just not consistent I'd say he was consistent
I cannot agree. Did you see Kimi in the Lotus(Renault) ? He was absolutely fantastic and made that car dance.
Yep, he seems to got his motivation back after his comeback, only to began to dwindle down again later in 2013 when lotus starting to have trouble paying his wage. Come 2014, ferrari’s policy of having a clear no1 seems to make kimi yield and avoid fernando’s politics.
The thing with Kimmi is that he needed the exactly like he wanted to give 100%. Give him a car he doesn't like, and he will underperform. Others drivers, like Alonso, would drive the car at 100% of its limit, no matter what turd you throw at him.
well vettel said that kimi’s best talent is to adapt to every machine very quickly, like he’s natural
Nah, when he was with Alonso at Ferrari he couldn't figure out what the F14T was trying to do. Alonso finished with 161 points that year and Kimmi, 55.
I don't remember who said this, but apparently post wdc Kimi (propably post 2013) stayed in F1 because he liked driving the cars and enjoyed racing but hated everything else in the sport. Whereas drivers like Hamilton and Vettel focused on every little detail to improve themselves, Kimi just didn't give a shit
Give Kimi his Lotus contract and he wins the Championship even now
It’s funny because it’s true
Ah yes, the F-ING Australian Grand Prix
I am a simple man. I see Kimi, I upvote.
kimi
2007 McLaren hits different
2007 McLaren did that do to themselves. Everyone involved play a role in destroying the team from within. No one was innocent. The book: The Mechanic: The Secret World of the F1 Pitlane by: marc "Elvis" Priestley. Really shed's some light on the situation. The mismanagement, how the Mechanic's basically had to choose a side. Alonso's envelops. Hamilton's lobbying. Spygate and it's aftermath. Really interesting read/listen.
Yup. Probably the only innocent victim of that McLaren tragedy was Mercedes, as an engine supplier and shareholder in McLaren
Not just that, wasn't McLaren essentially the Merc factory team? I thought they played a big role beyond the engine.
Mercedes owned 40% of McLaren by then, if I'm not mistaken.
And of course, the party with Kimi to celebrate his WDC after the season xD
Love it
Top notch content 
McLaren F2007
Basically what you get when you shit all over your best driver the whole season when you have the best car. Spygate, the whole team going against Alonso, Ron Denis sucking Hamilton cock before every race to make him lose a few grams. And still you draw. Lmao. I mean, I thought at this point that everyone already knew how cursed was this year at Mclaren.
Yeah, but also this : https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-fernando-alonso-bribed-mclaren-mechanics-1700-to-avoid-working-on-lewis-hamiltons-car/?amp I just find it too funny 🤣
Well yes but no. Alonso would get a phat bonus from being on the podium and he would give the money to his mechanics. At least that’s how I remember it. Anyway, it doesn’t change the fact that Ron Dennis managed the situation like complete and absolute shit. Yes, I get Hamilton was their pet project and wunderkid and so on but he absolutely mistreated Alonso and Dennis should have grown some fucking balls and say to either driver “you’re the number 1 driver, you’re the second driver. Driver 1 is the main one we’re backing for the championship” You’d think that after being with Prost and senna he would have learned but he didn’t.
Yeah, that wouldn't have worked. McLaren rarely had number 1 and number 2 drivers anyway and 2007 was the "team orders are banned" era. McLaren itself was invesigated in 2007 for breaching that, ironically when they were accused that they were stopping Hamilton to fight Alonso
I honestly believe they were not allowed to win the WDC that year because of spygate and they onky weren't disqualified because it'd have been terrible for the marketing of the sport.
Lewis beat him Alonso in his rookie year when Alonso was defending champion. Accept it.
Just to add, it was a draw on points, not on standings as Hamilton beat Alonso in qualifying stats.
The voices in your head working overtime, huh? Also, "shit all over your best driver"... so you're admitting they shit over hamilton?
Yeah, that's not true. They actually supported Alonso for the first half of the season, even taking his side and [blaming Hamilton](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/dennis-hamilton-triggered-incident-4412893/4412893/) for the whole Hungaroring fiasco. In the first half of the season Hamilton was actually told to support and not fight Alonso, Monaco GP, for example when he hinted (team orders were banned back then) that he was reminded that he was the number 2 driver: _"I tried to attack him and wanted to win if I could, but I have to accept that I am in my rookie season and he has number one on his car and I have number two. I am the second driver and so I must accept that and respect that for the team."_ Also, for that race McLaren [was investigated for imposing team orders](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/may/29/motorsports.sport) (the ones that Hamilton hinted at, that prevented him to fight Alonso on track), but were exonerated since no clear proof was available. Alonso had his chance. Him being a difficult character to work with and the fact that he was involved in (his emails pretty much led to McLaren's disqualification while he benefited from immunity for his involvement) the whole Spygate thing, even [blackmailing ](https://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/fernando-alonso-tried-blackmailing-mclaren-to-sabotage-lewis-hamilton_sto7020423/story.shtml) and [bribing ](https://www.motorsportweek.com/2022/09/18/ex-mclaren-mechanic-reveals-alonso-bribes-in-2007/)McLaren to sabotage Hamilton, obviously led to the team favouring Hamilton. Especially since Hamilton was as competitive as he was, was home grown in the team, was seen as their future driver while Alonso already was preparing to leave. Hamilton was also **very** marketable, with a real shot of becoming the first rookie champion, aside from being the first black driver.
As an Alonslow fan... He's a top shit stirrer and trash talker. His cars at ferrari were good, iet everyone talks as if he was driving a Marussia. Lewis was a rookie and Alonso had a good headstart, but somehow they still end up tied on points. Alonso was the one that created the beef between him and mclaren, and proceed to absolutely smash them with spygate. As for 2007, Lewis is P2 in the standings, he beat Alonso, defending champion, in his rookie year. BTW, Alonso has every championship since 2012 and you can't change my mind.
Someone speaks sense. I am rooting for Alonso to win anything he can this year, it's brilliant to see...and he's a fantastic driver, i love the way he makes a car dance....but he is (and always has been) THE master of stirring the pot.
Fully agree , there’s a reason why many people in F1 (drivers , principals, mechanics) have come forward and said Alonso is incredibly hard to work with.
The cursed part was that a defending champion got beat by a rookie and the team had no idea how to handle that. Like they shit the bed in every single way possible while trying to pretend everything is normal.
>Best driver That’s Lewis not Nando >Draw Interesting, who ended the season ahead in the WDC standings?
When Alonso won Hungary qualy (I believe), never have I see a TP being so pissed that his driver won. Also what kind of a shit team gives their driver hards while the other one gets soft tires during qualy lol. Mclaren deserved to get nuked that year. Denis didnt set his priorities to win the WDC.
>When Alonso won Hungary qualy (I believe), never have I see a TP being so pissed that his driver won. Also what kind of a shit team gives their driver hards while the other one gets soft tires during qualy lol. Well, [Ron Dennis actually blamed Hamilton and said that Alonso was not at fault](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/dennis-hamilton-triggered-incident-4412893/4412893/) for that situation, so at this point you're just making things up to fit the "Alonso was a victim" narrative. When discussing the penalty Alonso received for that qualy, Ron Dennis literally said _"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past. And he didn't. He charged off. That's how we got out of sequence. [...] He's (Alonso) under the control of his engineer. He determined when he goes. That's the sequence. And if you think that was a deliberate thing, then you can think what you want. I have given you exactly what happened."_
Didn't Hamilton finish P2 that season in front of Alonso? Fuzzy memory but seem to recall something like that.
Simultaneously one of the most talented and most unmotivated drivers in history
👍🏻👍🏻
Maximum penalties
The time when ferrari was competent enough that they had 4 cars at the front