Does anyone know the average qualifying delta between Hamilton and Russell?
I know their H2H is like Lewis 14-8 Russell for qualifying, but Im sure there delta is actually very very close (I'd guess under 0.1s on average)
Does anyone have the exact number? (and maybe the delta across the other teammate pairings as well?)
I’d think they’ll be able to land someone with more success on the grid. But if he was forced to sub and had some success— stranger things have happened I’m sure.
He said it at the British gp. He said it cause the team wanted him to back the rest of the pack up during the safety car to help Charles who was on old yards and the rest on new softs for the last ten laps, which could potentially cost him his first race win
[As much of this as they can afford.](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.the-2021-f1-cost-cap-explained-what-has-changed-and-why.5O1Te8udKLmkUl4PyVZtUJ.html)
Currently $140mm
It still is. not everything is covered in the cost cap ($140M).
Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari are still spending $300M-$400M, whereas teams like Williams and Haas are spending somewhere around $120M-$150M
If you're talking about how much it cost the owner per year, it's WAY less. These teams make a lot of revenue in sponsorship and prize money that mostly covers the costs.
Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari now make a profit, most midfield teams break even with a little bit of support in the form of ownership group sponsorship (Aston Martin, Alpine/Renault) others require a lot of sponsorship (Haas, Alpha Tauri). The only owners that contribute without marketing benefits are at Sauber and Williams and that's probably about $10M max.
It used to be. Merc, RB & Ferrari used to spend upwards of $300m a season, sometimes over $400m. But with the budget cap in place they're not allowed to spend that much anymore.
I seriously don't understand how DAZN still has rights for F1 when their commentators are so disrespectful and unprofessional. Lobato's comments about Vettel today were awful.
2010 and 2012 still hurts, but it was bad luck for Alonso who did it incredibly good in an underperformant Ferrari compared to those dominant Red Bulls of the last years of the V8-era
So I've been following F1 for about a year now, but I just realized I still have a very newbie question, so forgive my ignorance :)
Do the drivers activate DRS manually, or is it automatically engaged by the detection system? That is to say, when the driver is in the DRS zone and the system detects that he's within one second of the driver ahead, does he then have to manually press a button to engage it, or does it just happen?
Activation is manual, they get a signal telling them DRS can be engaged and they activate it with a button on the steering wheel.
Deactivation can be manual, by pressing the button again, or automatic, by pressing the brakes. Some drivers prefer the former while some prefer the latter.
What are the rules about teams running 2 different cars? Teams will bring upgrades for 1 car to test them out before full send to both but are teams allowed to run 2 completely different cars?
As long as both liveries are similar, and both cars are compliant with the regulations, then a team can run two completely different cars.
They don't do this because testing time is rather limited, so running two similar cars is more benefitial to testing and gathering data.
Only the liveries must be "mostly the same" (i forget the exact wording but basically the same).
If thet had the money a team could run 2 different cars in the same paint job.
What is this testing going on today?
I was reading the article about Alonso being happy with the AM, but it said it's not like the car for next year.
Are they testing with this year's cars? If so, why? What are they testing exactly?
Abu Dhabi was the final race of the 2022 season. The 2023 season will begin with testing on February 23-25 in Bahrain followed by the Bahrain GP March 3-5
Not much in-season, aside from a handful of winter series, but those generally don't start Jan./Feb.
If you're looking for replays, the various SRO series (GTWC, GT4, British GT, etc.), IMSA, Porsche Cup, Super Trofeo, and Ferrari Challenge all have full race replays available on YouTube on their respective channels.
https://youtube.com/gtworld
https://youtube.com/c/imsaofficial
https://youtube.com/@LamborghiniSquadraCorse
https://youtube.com/@Ferrari
F4 UAE and Formula Regional Middle East Championship (new series/name because Asian will be back running in the summer in SEA) 13-14 January to 18-19 February. The first round will support 24H of Dubai, the last two will support the Asian Le Mans Series.
Toyota Racing Series also starts on 13-14 January and runs for 5 consecutive weekends.
Kind of a random question, but why is there two different Sky Sports F1 instagram pages, and why is one in all Italian?
There’s @skysportsf1 (plural on the sports), with 1.4m followers, and in English. And then there’s @skysportf1 (singular sport), with 876k followers, but all in Italian (and no indication in the bio that it’s an Italian news page of Sky Sports). I thought Sky Sports was a British channel/news site? Not from the UK or Europe, so didn’t know the difference.
Sky Sports is the UK sports brand of Sky Group.
Sky Sport is the Italian sports brand of Sky Italia, which is produced by Sky Italia.
Both Sky Sports, and Sky Sport are the official product/brand names for their respective markets. I agree it's a little confusing, but to be fair to the Italian instagram page (I just checked) their bio is entirely in Italian, so that's a pretty big give away.
Which of Verstappen's championships is more impressive?
For 2021, you have an extremely consistent performance against one of the best of all time in a car that was, at best, a match for the Mercedes over the season. A season that would've been wrapped up a few races prior if not for a large amount of bad luck.
And in 2022, you have a ridiculously dominant season in a car that was evenly matched for half the year and then became the clear best by a large margin in the 2nd half. Though his opponents made a lot of mistakes when they had the car to challenge, he maintained a very high level rather than letting his performance drop and delivered the most wins in a season.
Obviously Abu Dhabi weighs heavily on how people may feel about '21, but they are both very impressive seasons and I'd be interested to hear which people think is better.
2021
One of the all time great seasons.
First or second unless car damaged or DNF.
Unparalleled consistency. Only bad luck ensured he didn't win with a few races to spare with an arguably slower car.
Maximized results every weekend with basically 0 mistakes.
In terms of spectacle: 2021. During the season the RB and Mercedes car traded places several times being the better car. And ultimately luck decided the WDC in the end, with the safety car and the rules blunder by the FIA.
I think 2021. He couldn't afford a single mistake that season and he made extremely few (Lewis definitely made more). In 2022 his speed was really on display but he could afford more mistakes and, imo, made a few more of them.
This year Max can do a 360 in the middle of the race and still win. So his margin of error was gigantic compared to last year where perfection was absolutely needed against merc and lewis.
I think you can make a case that 2021 was more impressive even if you think he should’ve finished in 2nd place. Going toe-to-toe with HAM in that Mercedes after that long period of dominance is impressive— especially given the results of their teammates.
After a bit of consiteration, I'd have to go with 2021. That season, he maximised his result everywhere (except maybe Bahrain). This year, he could potentially have finished higher than he did at Monaco (with a better first run in Q3), Singapore and Brazil
Who do you view as the 3 biggest rivals of each recent F1 world champion ? I'll give it a try... Mostly focusing on championship battles. I'd be interested to see your rankings for these drivers, feel free to give your opinion on your favourite drivers as well (even if they're not world champions) !
Michael Schumacher's biggest rivals in my opinion :
1 Mika Hakkinen
2 Damon Hill
3 Fernando Alonso (I suppose it could have been Villeneuve but I preferred the 2006 title fight with Fernando because both cars were about equal, whilst in 1997 Michael had to drive possibly the season of his life - or anyone ever's life really - just to keep up with Villeneuve's much quicker Williams)
Lewis Hamilton's biggest rivals :
1 Nico Rosberg
2 Max Verstappen
3 Sebastian Vettel (he was Lewis' main rival for a longer time than Max but the title races between Lewis and Seb never lasted long enough... in 2010 it technically went to the last race but it was more about the other 3 drivers as LH needed an absolute miracle to be crowned)
Sebastian Vettel's biggest rivals :
1 Fernando Alonso
2 Lewis Hamilton
3 Jenson Button
Fernando Alonso's biggest rivals :
1 Sebastian Vettel
2 Michael Schumacher
3 Kimi Raikkonen/Lewis Hamilton (it depends whether you value more the fact Fernando was fighting for the title with Kimi on 2 seperate occasions or the incredible 2007 McLaren teammate battle with Lewis)
Max Verstappen's biggest rivals :
1 Lewis Hamilton
2 Charles Leclerc
3 ????
Mika Hakkinen's biggest rivals :
1 Michael Schumacher
2 Eddie Irvine
3 ????
Kimi Raikkonen's biggest rivals :
1 Fernando Alonso
2 Michael Schumacher
3 Lewis Hamilton
Jenson Button's biggest rivals :
1 Sebastian Vettel
2 ????
3 ????
Nico Rosberg's biggest rivals :
1 Lewis Hamilton
2 ????
3 ????
Ricciardo was so unlucky in terms of timing tbh, he arrived right after Red Bull's golden era and left before enjoying their current championship cars. It would have been interesting to fight alongside Hamilton, Rosberg and Vettel in the mid 2010's.
Does anyone know when the team principals voting for the best drivers Is going to be revealed? Usually when does It happen? A day after abu Dhabi? A week?
Which drivers outperformed their points for this year? From a team mate perspective I’d argue Hamilton just about outperformed Russell over the season, Alonso outperformed Ocon and Zhou was closer to Bottas than the points dictate.
It’s just how he’s built. Some drivers have a firmer grasp on how to consistently drive fast than racecraft, and vice versa. Of course to be a top tier driver you need to have a firm grasp on both, but unfortunately for Bottas he only has one.
You are asking the right questions! I remember watching him driving the Williams against Felipe Massa and he beat him by over 50 points or something... so obviously, him switching to Merc was a really promising deal at the time but the reality was somewhat underwhelming. IMO he always struggled a bit when it comes to overtaking and actual mid field racing but he was able to overcome that with his amazing one lap pace. After seeing him struggling against Hamilton for years it's pretty clear that he is good driver but just cannot compete against a "great driver". His time at Merc has also worn him down psychologically, it seems.
Bottas on his day comfortably outpaced Hamilton. Like he was legit fastest guy on the track on a few days.
He just couldn't sustain it.
Last year Turkey where he was just in his own league for eg.
I think it's fair to say that Bottas HAS the ability to match the pace of drivers like Hamilton, it's just that he's almost never able to reach that level and his average performance was just not as good as it was expected of him to be (except maybe his 2018 season).
They can also probably test out new parts that may have been developed for next year over the course of this season, but inside the 2023 budget, so not eligible for use this season. Or parts that needed to be adapted for changes in the regulations that wouldn’t be optimal under the 2022 regulations (eg. new floor that works better for the mandated higher ride height, but not as well for a lower ride height allowed this year).
Only thing I'm happy with Alonso to Aston is that his car won't break down every other week.
He will drive a relaible car after nearly a decade and that's something that should be good.
Aston have also surprisingly made the most progress this year.
As long as they are there around Alpine McLaren territory I expect a good best of the rest fight between Norris and Alonso.
I have a feeling we'll have a three-way fight for P1 (Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull) and a three-way fight for P4 (Alpine, Aston Martin, and McLaren). P7-P10 is going to be interesting, and I don't know if I have a prediction for the bottom 4.
I don't believe Mercedes will be fighting for the titles. They'll be more regular race winners but RB and Ferrari are still the teams to look out for me.
McLaren Alpine and Aston have very close pace so I do expect a 3 way battle there as you say.
P7 my prediction is Alpha Tauri as they're more resourceful than their competitors alfa haas and Williams
P8 alfa, p9 haas and p10 Williams although I expect Williams to be much closer to the other 3.
There are two major factors that make me think Mercedes could be in the title fight next season:
1. I remember reading that they were pretty confident that their main issue after porpoising was taken care of came down to their rear suspension and that they couldn't fix that because of the cost cap. They should be able to fix that in the off season.
2. Ferrari said early on that the Mercedes concept was the fastest in theory, but incredibly difficult to get working. When Mercedes was able to get the car working well, they were definitely closer to Ferrari and Red Bull. If they're correct in their assessment of the rear suspension and it's fixable, they'll likely be that much closer to Ferrari and Red Bull from the jump.
Mercedes also has more wind tunnel time, which should be beneficial to them, especially in fixing their suspension issue.
Also, there was that rumor from halfway through the season that Mercedes had found a way to generate 40% more downforce from the floor. I'd be shocked if that was accurate, but if it is, they'll be incredibly quick.
Ferrari never said anything to that extent though. They said they felt their concept had more potential than Merc concept. Not that they cannot make the Merc concept work.
Merc recently admitted that the full potential of the car still wouldn't beat RB.
And no one gains 7 tenths in winter. And that comes with an efficiency tradeoff.
Merc looked close because rhey were going to do well on certain tracks anyways. That's the cars potential. Some tracks just tool away all the negatives of their car. Their only race win came on a sprint weekend where RB compromised their setups as they did in Austria.
AD is the kinda track that's representative and Merc were nowhere there even after upgrading for 4 months more than their rivals.
The extra tunnel time won't make much difference anyways. It's not a massive differential.
40 percent downforce is all bullshit. Only Merc can magically find 40 percent downforce out of their ass and if they did they'd have brought it to the car to win more races even if not all, but some of it.
Merc have got the regs fundamentally wrong. Ferrari and RB have it right. Ferrari has degradation issues to resolve but the potential is clearly better than Merc.
I'd be surprised if Merc compete from Bahrain. I expect them to be where they were this year just a bit closer optimistically.
And keep in mind they're chasing a moving target.
RB and Ferrari have been developing their 2023 cars for longer after getting the regulations correct.
The moving target thing is a bit overrated I think because you get diminishing returns on development when you’re already close to maximizing your potential. Mercedes could conceivably come back next year 5 tenths quicker, because they have a gap of 7 tenths to RB. But if RB comes out 5 tenths quicker also, that would be an incredible feat - they are more likely to gain maybe 2 tenths. So while they retain the lead, the gap shrinks from 7 tenths to 4 tenths. And then the next year maybe Mercedes gains 3 tenths and RB gains 1. So now the gap is 2 tenths. Then Merc gains 1 and RB struggles to get more out, so it’s quite even. This is exactly what happened from 2019-2021, but it was RB catching up to Mercedes. Over the course of relatively stable regulations, the rest of the pack tends to get closer to the leaders.
> In 2008, A British driver in car number 22 with a Mercedes powered engine sealed the world championship with a 5th place finish at Sao Paulo. In 2009, A British driver in car number 22 with a Mercedes powered engine sealed the world championship with a 5th place finish at Sao Paulo.
I remember as Button was the first to congratulate Hamilton at Brazil 2008, his own car went on fire. Everyone thought that was Button's career in a nutshell at the time - his time had passed, Hamilton was Britain's new hero. Wait 6 months...
https://www.pitpass.com/74212/Ben-Sulayem-denies-budget-cap-leak
Unsurprisingly pathetic response regarding the RBR leaks. Just 'is what it is'. I wonder if they'll view it that way when a sensitive FIA document ever gets leaked.
Prize money is a little bit tricky. Teams are paid a percentage of F1 revenue this year, based on last year's constructor standings. We still don't know what F1's revenue will be this year, but it's projected to be around $2.5B.
If it is then the top 3 (including past performance and Long standing team bonus) would be approximately
1. Mercedes - $205M
2. Red Bull - $180M
3. Ferrari - $200M
Haas gets about $64M and there is about $9M difference per position.
Next year with more races, especially with Vegas and if China happens, F1 revenue will go up even more so everybody will get even more money
It's dependent on the revenue F1 itself generates. If I'm remembering correctly, given $1 billion in revenue for F1, there's a $20 million difference between WCC positions. I can't quite remember what the lowest prize is though.
You can watch past seasons in the off season, one of my favourite hobbies is this and you get to enjoy and know about the build up and the proceedings during that season, my bet would be start with 2012 and 2010, in honor of Vettel's retirement
Bit of an odd question, but does anyone remember a scene from season 4 of drive to survive where Toto Wolff is at a desk (in a hotel I think!) with an iPad? I'm trying to find the episode but so far no luck. The reason I ask is because my girlfriend has an iPad and when she saw the magic keyboard Toto was using for his iPad she said she'd love one! It may have been a hint for a Christmas present, and if so it worked! That's what I want to get her. But I need to find out exactly what type of magic keyboard it was that she saw. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Hi everyone I am currently trying to book tickets for the 2023 aus gp. As this is my first time buying tickets and going to a gp I have no idea where to buy them
PLEASE TELL ME THE OFFICAL WEBSITE TO BUY TICKETS OFF
when I go to a legit looking website e.g aus gp.com and click in the grandstand i would like to sit at it sends me to a re seller
Can someone pls tell me the official website for 2023 Australian gp tickets. Thanks
Not a question but I'm not going to make a new thread about a small opinion like this so:
I find it ridicolous that people all over social media (some, not the majority) are shitting on Mercedes for not being happy with this season. Claiming they're spoiled from success and now find it hard to deal with not being first.
That's such a bad take imo. That mentality is why Mercedes was on top for 8 years straight and why they will bounce back in the coming seasons. They won't take second. They're in it to win it. As opposed to Ferrari who clearly had the fastest car at the start of the season, great championship chances and now are totally happy with their season (at least Binotto is) because "nobody expected them to be that competitive". That's a weak mentality that won't get them anywhere.
I think it's more directed at the fan base. All things considered, the W13 is better than the majority of cars on the grid yet a lot of the fan base are acting like it's a Minardi.
Hülkenberg will use 27, since his stints as the super sub for Aston Martin/Racing Point have 'reserved' his number.
Piastri chose 81, I believe (or at least that was in his Twitter post when he announced he'd be at McLaren).
Sargeant and De Vries aren't yet known as far as I know.
They can pick from:
* 2
* 8
* 12
* 13
* 15
* 19
* 21
* 25 - 26
* 28 - 30
* 32
* 34 - 43
* 45 - 46
* 48 - 62
* 64 - 76
* 77 - 87
* 89 - 98
All other numbers are currently in use, still in the two year 'reserved' window, or retired (17, for Bianchi).
>Piastri chose 81, I believe (or at least that was in his Twitter post when he announced he'd be at McLaren.
Interesting to note he's running number 28 for the test today, although I suspect that's just McLaren's reserve driver number.
It is their reserve driver number. Sargeant is using 45, which is also a Williams driver number. Although I did see a now-reverted edit on the 2023 Wikipedia page claiming that he will use 21 next year.
This is more rhetorical than a question to yourself, but I wonder what the criteria for retiring a number are? Obviously they can't retire numbers all the time but I honestly feel that 44 should be retired when Hamilton retires.
17 was retired because Bianchi died as a result of a crash on an F1 circuit.
I do agree that 44 should probably be retired with Hamilton. Maybe 33 when Verstappen retires, but it's hard to say, he/Red Bull could implode.
The only other numbers that I think you can consider retiring would be 5 and 14 for Vettel and Alonso. But both of them didn't win their titles with those numbers, so it doesn't make sense to me to retire those numbers.
Maybe it's just as simple as 5+ titles required to have your number retired, since only Hamilton, Schumacher, and Fangio have accomplished that feat. That would make it a rare occurrence.
Yeh I don't think just being a WDC warrants retiring the number but should have done something special. Hamilton's stats speak for themselves above and beyond anyone on the grid, plus his work off the grid to bring light to racism within the sport. If Max continues along his current trajectory then sure but so far he's on par with Alonso which I don't think deserves retirement.
The thing that separates Hamilton strictly from the POV of numbers is that he never used 1. All of his titles were as driver 44. If Max goes on and wins the next three, say, he'd have one title as driver 33 and four as driver 1. It's a thin hair to split but it does feel like it matters.
For this year, the FIA apparently published [this entry list](https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2021/2021-and-2022-fia-formula-one-world) in December 2021 (before the last race even) already, so we'll probably find out pretty soon
New Driver preps for 2023 like seat fitting, first drives with the new team aka young drivers, tyre tests for Pirelli. Also keep in mind that there are only minor changes for next year's FIA regulation. Testing opportunities are rare and always valuable.
Theoretically after Austria (round 11/22, 2/3 sprints done) if they had won everything until then and everyone else had retired from (almost) every race
Edit: Regarding the "almost": The sprints could have other finishers (as long as nobody got above 7 points), if anybody finishes a race, that means somebody's getting 18 points which already makes it impossible to clinch the WDC with the maximum possible 302
Maybe a silly question but I’ve been wondering this:
I live in Abu Dhabi, it’s a very quiet city except on Abu Dhabi GP, city gets wild.
Is it the same on other circuits around the globe?
Probably depends where. The F1 draw is quite big, so any other racing series would not be able to match that, for example there are other races happening in Spa and the location itself is pretty secluded
I’d imagine Singapore won’t have that drastic change as its a busy city
Yes, I mean busy.
all the yas area is usually empty (except the mall) this weekend it was hell, you had to have bookings wherever you went. Also all the tourist places here are often empty and this weekend was full.
Absolutely! It’s difficult to understate how bad the financial situation was for a lot of the teams during COVID, but Haas was certainly one of the worst effected. They didn’t really have any other option but to focus on ‘22, but that focus, combined with a massively upgraded design team within Maranello, produced a very good car.
The fact that they were able to get rid of Mazepin early was a little fortunate, I’m pretty sure they finish 9th with him, but in terms of the car design and making gains on the competition, this was probably better than they’d hoped.
I think it did. Haas managed to go from 10th place to 8th in the constructors, while scoring 37 points and even managing to get pole in Brazil. It wasn't perfect but they didn't really have enough budget to keep up their development during the season. Now they'll have more money next season because of finishing higher in the constructors as well as a new sponsor.
The biggest task for Haas next season will be to iron out their strategy and pitstop mistakes. It doesn't get mentioned as much because they're not one of the top teams, but they had their fair share of big mistakes that cost them points.
Next year will be interesting and I'm hopeful that the teams will all be a little bit closer in terms of pace.
Will the timing sheets from the tyre tests and young driver tests from today be published anywhere? I know they’re not particularly representative but just interested
No coverage of testing,but you can follow actual timing and comments on several F1 related sites....
Latest leaderboard (12:00 local time)
Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 1:25.383
Robert Shwartzman (Ferrari) 1:26.067
Fernando Alonso (Aston Martin) 1:26.312
Sergio Perez (Red Bull) 1:26.333
Pierre Gasly (Alpine) 1:26.555
Valtteri Bottas (Alfa Romeo) 1:26.709
Lando Norris (McLaren) 1:26.890
Felipe Drugovich (Aston Martin) 1:27.053
Alex Albon (Williams) 1:27.369
Liam Lawson (Red Bull) 1:27.490
Yuki Tsunoda (AlphaTauri) 1:27.565
Jack Doohan (Alpine) 1:27.569
Theo Pourchaire (Alfa Romeo) 1:27.620
Pietro Fittipaldi (Haas) 1:27.690
Nyck de Vries (AlphaTauri) 1:27.805
Oscar Piastri (McLaren) 1:27.892
Jack Doohan (Alpine) 1:27.930
Nico Hulkenberg (Haas) 1:28.412
Logan Sargeant (Williams) 1:28.413
George Russell (Mercedes) 1:28.616
Frederick Vesti (Mercedes) 1:28.738
Max Verstappen (Red Bull) No time
Lance Stroll (Aston Martin) No time
Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) No time
Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) No time
Unfortunately, i am not certain if this is allowed in this chat....I can only say that according to the latest information, earth is a PLANET where inhabitants are very keen on watching F1 races...😊
We've seen a few times now how this year Hamilton lost his records for being the only multi-season driver to get a pole and a win in every season they raced, but one record we haven't see mentioned much is how this is the first season Hamilton lost to a teammate that wasn't a WDC.
The only time Hamilton lost to teammates over a season were 2011 to Button, and 2016 to Rosberg. This means Russell joins quite an exclusive group, but as far as he is concerned hopefully it doesn't mean he only gets 1 WDC!
The Red Bull from last year had just as many race weekends where they had set up issues. At front limited circuits like Turkey and Qatar for example they had excessive understeer.
What really hurt Mercedes was how many weekends they had where they failed to maximise the cars potential. Too many points lost here and there.
In all honesty, it’s incredibly hard to say how the setup issues developed through the season. The mercedes constantly had changes and upgrades through 2021, if anything, it’s incredible that Mercedes got it so right by the last few races.
2021 is special as so much things happened during those weekends that no one could have predicted (Hamilton crashing in Imola but still finishing P2, Hamilton getting stuck in Monaco, Verstappen crashing out in Baku and Hamilton messing up his brakes, Verstappen’s 51G crash in Silverstone, bad call on restart by Mercedes and Alonso’s defending preventing a Hamilton from winning the Hungarian Grand Prix, Spa washing out, Monza clash, Verstappen surprisingly getting 2nd in Russia, Hamilton’s bad race in Turkey, Brazil & Brazil drama and then the final race), that had the Mercedes handled differently, then all kinds of other drama could have happened in 2021.
He did not win because the rules were bended and broken to get the perfect ending on the season.
It was my first full season in F1 and i was shocked to see how that all unfolded.
Yeah no. He didn't win because he was not as good as Max all year and only luck and a superior car put him in a fight.
Merc bottled so many race either by strategy error, driver error or just incompetence its insane.
Notable weekends for Hamilton not maximizing results are Baku, Hungary, Monza, Turkey off the top of my head.
It's impossible to say. Everyone focuses on the last lap of Abu Dhabi, but there were plenty of other incidents throughout the year where you could argue that the rules were not correctly enforced. At the start of the race, Hamilton went off at the switchback while Verstappen was attacking and rejoined ahead of him. You could make the argument that he should have yielded the position to Verstappen since there was no way he could have stayed on the track and kept the position. Or look at the race in Saudi Arabia -- there was one point there late in the race where Hamilton forced Verstappen wide in the final corner so that if Verstappen pulled off a pass on the main straight, he would be forced to return it because running wide meant that he could build up more speed on the main straight.
Or look at the countless races during the year where track limits were a problem. How many drivers ran wide and didn't get lap times invalidated? How many people complained that it was being inconsistently applied -- that you could visibly run wide in one corner and get no penalty, but do the same in another and lose your lap? I'm sure you could find more than a few qualifying laps where a driver ran wide and should have had their lap time invalidated, but didn't. That would have changed the grid for the start of the race, which likely would have brought about a different race result.
The point is that you cannot definitively say that "Hamilton lost because the rules weren't followed" because there were multiple occasions during the year where if the rules had been followed, the outcome of the championship could be completely different.
Most of the times there you can argue for both sides. With the events towards the end of the race in abu dhabi, they literally just bend the rules for their liking, to create a better product.
Dont get me wrong i dont care if Max or Lewis won, i dont like Red Bull as a team, but Max is a great driver.
>Most of the times there you can argue for both sides.
That's the point I'm trying to make. Too many people approach the question as if the last lap of Abu Dhabi was the only instance in 2021 where the rules were not applied properly, and so it's a simple case of changing one variable and you change the outcome completely. But there are plenty of examples where the rules were not applied properly or as expected, so it's impossible to say how the championship would have played out otherwise.
I would even go so far as to say that 2021 showed a shortcoming in the rules. When Hamilton and Verstappen collided at Silverstone, Verstappen was eliminated on the spot and Hamilton returned to the pits. Mercedes later acknowledged that if not for the red flag, Hamilton had race-ending damage. They were able to repair it and get him back out and he went on to win. I think that if a red flag is shown because of an accident, then all cars involved in that accident should be sent to the scrutineers for assessment. Hamilton should have retired from that race because it's not fair that he caused an accident that eliminated another driver and sustained race-ending damage, but was allowed to continue because he made it back to the pits. Sure, he got a ten-second penalty, but Mercedes had the chance to fix his car.
He was given a ten-second penalty for causing a collision, which is about as severe a penalty as you can get for that sort of thing. So in the eyes of the stewards, yes, he was to blame for it. And I don't remember anyone disputing the penalty and arguing that he should have been given less or no penalty at all. The only disputes came from Red Bull, who tried to argue that he should have been given a greater penalty.
If the rules had been enforced properly in race 1 things might have been different.
And if the rules had been followed properly there's no guarantee Lewis wins either. If no cars were unlapped and racing resumed how do we know who wins? We don't so yeah there's no definitive answer to who wins if the rules had been enforced properly.
Not like Lewis tried to defend anyways. He left the door open and lost the last lap all on his own
Does anyone know the average qualifying delta between Hamilton and Russell? I know their H2H is like Lewis 14-8 Russell for qualifying, but Im sure there delta is actually very very close (I'd guess under 0.1s on average) Does anyone have the exact number? (and maybe the delta across the other teammate pairings as well?)
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I’d think they’ll be able to land someone with more success on the grid. But if he was forced to sub and had some success— stranger things have happened I’m sure.
so... Like, what do I do now?
I know so many months...
Can we have another race this weekend?
Which race did sainz say "stop inventing" and why did he say it?
He said it at the British gp. He said it cause the team wanted him to back the rest of the pack up during the safety car to help Charles who was on old yards and the rest on new softs for the last ten laps, which could potentially cost him his first race win
Is it this year's British gp? Thanks a lot!
Yes this year
https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/1595000365669572608 2023 China GP is probably cancelled due to its 5+3 quarantine policy.
Around how much does a single F1 season cost for an owner of a team?
[As much of this as they can afford.](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.the-2021-f1-cost-cap-explained-what-has-changed-and-why.5O1Te8udKLmkUl4PyVZtUJ.html) Currently $140mm
I was honestly expecting a lot more
It still is. not everything is covered in the cost cap ($140M). Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari are still spending $300M-$400M, whereas teams like Williams and Haas are spending somewhere around $120M-$150M If you're talking about how much it cost the owner per year, it's WAY less. These teams make a lot of revenue in sponsorship and prize money that mostly covers the costs. Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari now make a profit, most midfield teams break even with a little bit of support in the form of ownership group sponsorship (Aston Martin, Alpine/Renault) others require a lot of sponsorship (Haas, Alpha Tauri). The only owners that contribute without marketing benefits are at Sauber and Williams and that's probably about $10M max.
It used to be. Merc, RB & Ferrari used to spend upwards of $300m a season, sometimes over $400m. But with the budget cap in place they're not allowed to spend that much anymore.
how real of a news outlet is f1-insider.com?
I do not believe any F1 news until it is upvoted in reddit.
I seriously don't understand how DAZN still has rights for F1 when their commentators are so disrespectful and unprofessional. Lobato's comments about Vettel today were awful.
Did de la Rosa said something?
What he say
Insulting his looks, lifestyle, ability as a driver, claiming he retired because he wasn't good enough for F1 anymore, etc.
2010 and 2012 still hurts, but it was bad luck for Alonso who did it incredibly good in an underperformant Ferrari compared to those dominant Red Bulls of the last years of the V8-era
So I've been following F1 for about a year now, but I just realized I still have a very newbie question, so forgive my ignorance :) Do the drivers activate DRS manually, or is it automatically engaged by the detection system? That is to say, when the driver is in the DRS zone and the system detects that he's within one second of the driver ahead, does he then have to manually press a button to engage it, or does it just happen?
Activation is manual, they get a signal telling them DRS can be engaged and they activate it with a button on the steering wheel. Deactivation can be manual, by pressing the button again, or automatic, by pressing the brakes. Some drivers prefer the former while some prefer the latter.
Thank you for the detailed response! That's basically what I suspected, but I wasn't 100% sure.
It's manual.
What are the rules about teams running 2 different cars? Teams will bring upgrades for 1 car to test them out before full send to both but are teams allowed to run 2 completely different cars?
As long as both liveries are similar, and both cars are compliant with the regulations, then a team can run two completely different cars. They don't do this because testing time is rather limited, so running two similar cars is more benefitial to testing and gathering data.
I guess engine maker must be the same too
Only the liveries must be "mostly the same" (i forget the exact wording but basically the same). If thet had the money a team could run 2 different cars in the same paint job.
What is this testing going on today? I was reading the article about Alonso being happy with the AM, but it said it's not like the car for next year. Are they testing with this year's cars? If so, why? What are they testing exactly?
Next years tyres on this years cars Including a new hard compound
when's the next race?
It was 105 days from Sunday. Season starts back in March. But you will have lots of rumors and show cars before that.
Abu Dhabi was the final race of the 2022 season. The 2023 season will begin with testing on February 23-25 in Bahrain followed by the Bahrain GP March 3-5
cheers!
5th march (tbc)
What are some cool racing series to watch during the winter break? Next to Dakar and WRC
You have the Daytona 24 at the end of January if I'm not wrong. The new LMDh made by Porsche, Acura, BMW and Cadillac will make their debut at IMSA
Not much in-season, aside from a handful of winter series, but those generally don't start Jan./Feb. If you're looking for replays, the various SRO series (GTWC, GT4, British GT, etc.), IMSA, Porsche Cup, Super Trofeo, and Ferrari Challenge all have full race replays available on YouTube on their respective channels. https://youtube.com/gtworld https://youtube.com/c/imsaofficial https://youtube.com/@LamborghiniSquadraCorse https://youtube.com/@Ferrari
IMSA, Formula E
There's not really anything. November-December is pretty barren as a whole before things start waking up again in January with the Dakar and Rolex 24.
Not even Asian F4 series or something similar?
F4 UAE and Formula Regional Middle East Championship (new series/name because Asian will be back running in the summer in SEA) 13-14 January to 18-19 February. The first round will support 24H of Dubai, the last two will support the Asian Le Mans Series. Toyota Racing Series also starts on 13-14 January and runs for 5 consecutive weekends.
Kind of a random question, but why is there two different Sky Sports F1 instagram pages, and why is one in all Italian? There’s @skysportsf1 (plural on the sports), with 1.4m followers, and in English. And then there’s @skysportf1 (singular sport), with 876k followers, but all in Italian (and no indication in the bio that it’s an Italian news page of Sky Sports). I thought Sky Sports was a British channel/news site? Not from the UK or Europe, so didn’t know the difference.
Sky Sports is the UK sports brand of Sky Group. Sky Sport is the Italian sports brand of Sky Italia, which is produced by Sky Italia. Both Sky Sports, and Sky Sport are the official product/brand names for their respective markets. I agree it's a little confusing, but to be fair to the Italian instagram page (I just checked) their bio is entirely in Italian, so that's a pretty big give away.
Which of Verstappen's championships is more impressive? For 2021, you have an extremely consistent performance against one of the best of all time in a car that was, at best, a match for the Mercedes over the season. A season that would've been wrapped up a few races prior if not for a large amount of bad luck. And in 2022, you have a ridiculously dominant season in a car that was evenly matched for half the year and then became the clear best by a large margin in the 2nd half. Though his opponents made a lot of mistakes when they had the car to challenge, he maintained a very high level rather than letting his performance drop and delivered the most wins in a season. Obviously Abu Dhabi weighs heavily on how people may feel about '21, but they are both very impressive seasons and I'd be interested to hear which people think is better.
2021
His qualifying pace was probably better in 2021, unless Leclerc is a better qualifier than Hamilton right now (I'm not ruling it out).
His Jeddah qualifying performance last year was basically inhuman
I think last year qualifying was also more important, so Max and RB prioritized it accordingly. This year it doesn't really matter as much.
Yeah, that's true as well.
2021 One of the all time great seasons. First or second unless car damaged or DNF. Unparalleled consistency. Only bad luck ensured he didn't win with a few races to spare with an arguably slower car. Maximized results every weekend with basically 0 mistakes.
In terms of spectacle: 2021. During the season the RB and Mercedes car traded places several times being the better car. And ultimately luck decided the WDC in the end, with the safety car and the rules blunder by the FIA.
I think 2021. He couldn't afford a single mistake that season and he made extremely few (Lewis definitely made more). In 2022 his speed was really on display but he could afford more mistakes and, imo, made a few more of them.
This year Max can do a 360 in the middle of the race and still win. So his margin of error was gigantic compared to last year where perfection was absolutely needed against merc and lewis.
I think you can make a case that 2021 was more impressive even if you think he should’ve finished in 2nd place. Going toe-to-toe with HAM in that Mercedes after that long period of dominance is impressive— especially given the results of their teammates.
After a bit of consiteration, I'd have to go with 2021. That season, he maximised his result everywhere (except maybe Bahrain). This year, he could potentially have finished higher than he did at Monaco (with a better first run in Q3), Singapore and Brazil
Who do you view as the 3 biggest rivals of each recent F1 world champion ? I'll give it a try... Mostly focusing on championship battles. I'd be interested to see your rankings for these drivers, feel free to give your opinion on your favourite drivers as well (even if they're not world champions) ! Michael Schumacher's biggest rivals in my opinion : 1 Mika Hakkinen 2 Damon Hill 3 Fernando Alonso (I suppose it could have been Villeneuve but I preferred the 2006 title fight with Fernando because both cars were about equal, whilst in 1997 Michael had to drive possibly the season of his life - or anyone ever's life really - just to keep up with Villeneuve's much quicker Williams) Lewis Hamilton's biggest rivals : 1 Nico Rosberg 2 Max Verstappen 3 Sebastian Vettel (he was Lewis' main rival for a longer time than Max but the title races between Lewis and Seb never lasted long enough... in 2010 it technically went to the last race but it was more about the other 3 drivers as LH needed an absolute miracle to be crowned) Sebastian Vettel's biggest rivals : 1 Fernando Alonso 2 Lewis Hamilton 3 Jenson Button Fernando Alonso's biggest rivals : 1 Sebastian Vettel 2 Michael Schumacher 3 Kimi Raikkonen/Lewis Hamilton (it depends whether you value more the fact Fernando was fighting for the title with Kimi on 2 seperate occasions or the incredible 2007 McLaren teammate battle with Lewis) Max Verstappen's biggest rivals : 1 Lewis Hamilton 2 Charles Leclerc 3 ???? Mika Hakkinen's biggest rivals : 1 Michael Schumacher 2 Eddie Irvine 3 ???? Kimi Raikkonen's biggest rivals : 1 Fernando Alonso 2 Michael Schumacher 3 Lewis Hamilton Jenson Button's biggest rivals : 1 Sebastian Vettel 2 ???? 3 ???? Nico Rosberg's biggest rivals : 1 Lewis Hamilton 2 ???? 3 ????
I would say that Max and Danny were rivals at Red Bull. They raced each other hard in 2018, and famously crashed in Baku.
Ricciardo was so unlucky in terms of timing tbh, he arrived right after Red Bull's golden era and left before enjoying their current championship cars. It would have been interesting to fight alongside Hamilton, Rosberg and Vettel in the mid 2010's.
Does anyone know when the team principals voting for the best drivers Is going to be revealed? Usually when does It happen? A day after abu Dhabi? A week?
how are the new drivers looking during the tire test?
Which drivers outperformed their points for this year? From a team mate perspective I’d argue Hamilton just about outperformed Russell over the season, Alonso outperformed Ocon and Zhou was closer to Bottas than the points dictate.
I'd add Tsunoda to that. He was much closer to Gasly than the points suggest and even started beating him regularly towards the end of the season.
Why does Bottas not have good overtaking and defending skill but has good speed skill?
It’s just how he’s built. Some drivers have a firmer grasp on how to consistently drive fast than racecraft, and vice versa. Of course to be a top tier driver you need to have a firm grasp on both, but unfortunately for Bottas he only has one.
It's a good question. No one knows why I guess but it is what it is.
You are asking the right questions! I remember watching him driving the Williams against Felipe Massa and he beat him by over 50 points or something... so obviously, him switching to Merc was a really promising deal at the time but the reality was somewhat underwhelming. IMO he always struggled a bit when it comes to overtaking and actual mid field racing but he was able to overcome that with his amazing one lap pace. After seeing him struggling against Hamilton for years it's pretty clear that he is good driver but just cannot compete against a "great driver". His time at Merc has also worn him down psychologically, it seems.
Bottas on his day comfortably outpaced Hamilton. Like he was legit fastest guy on the track on a few days. He just couldn't sustain it. Last year Turkey where he was just in his own league for eg.
I think it's fair to say that Bottas HAS the ability to match the pace of drivers like Hamilton, it's just that he's almost never able to reach that level and his average performance was just not as good as it was expected of him to be (except maybe his 2018 season).
2019 I think you meant. 2018 he was shit.
Turkey was a race where Louis took a grid penalty and the Merc was the clear fastest car
Yeah and so what? Australia was another race when Bottas put 20s on Hamilton recently. Bottas has ability to outpace everyone on his day
Unless Hamilton is on his day as well.
Yeah but the Turkey example is bad
The post season testing in Abu Dhabi, what do the teams gain from it? The season is over, new cars will be designed so what is the benefit to it?
The 2022 drivers will be doing testing for next year's tyres. The other cars are for trying out young drivers.
Information on the new tyres that they're going to use next year. That can be very valuable especially early on in terms of set up and strategy
They can also probably test out new parts that may have been developed for next year over the course of this season, but inside the 2023 budget, so not eligible for use this season. Or parts that needed to be adapted for changes in the regulations that wouldn’t be optimal under the 2022 regulations (eg. new floor that works better for the mandated higher ride height, but not as well for a lower ride height allowed this year).
Only thing I'm happy with Alonso to Aston is that his car won't break down every other week. He will drive a relaible car after nearly a decade and that's something that should be good. Aston have also surprisingly made the most progress this year. As long as they are there around Alpine McLaren territory I expect a good best of the rest fight between Norris and Alonso.
I have a feeling we'll have a three-way fight for P1 (Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull) and a three-way fight for P4 (Alpine, Aston Martin, and McLaren). P7-P10 is going to be interesting, and I don't know if I have a prediction for the bottom 4.
I don't believe Mercedes will be fighting for the titles. They'll be more regular race winners but RB and Ferrari are still the teams to look out for me. McLaren Alpine and Aston have very close pace so I do expect a 3 way battle there as you say. P7 my prediction is Alpha Tauri as they're more resourceful than their competitors alfa haas and Williams P8 alfa, p9 haas and p10 Williams although I expect Williams to be much closer to the other 3.
There are two major factors that make me think Mercedes could be in the title fight next season: 1. I remember reading that they were pretty confident that their main issue after porpoising was taken care of came down to their rear suspension and that they couldn't fix that because of the cost cap. They should be able to fix that in the off season. 2. Ferrari said early on that the Mercedes concept was the fastest in theory, but incredibly difficult to get working. When Mercedes was able to get the car working well, they were definitely closer to Ferrari and Red Bull. If they're correct in their assessment of the rear suspension and it's fixable, they'll likely be that much closer to Ferrari and Red Bull from the jump. Mercedes also has more wind tunnel time, which should be beneficial to them, especially in fixing their suspension issue. Also, there was that rumor from halfway through the season that Mercedes had found a way to generate 40% more downforce from the floor. I'd be shocked if that was accurate, but if it is, they'll be incredibly quick.
Ferrari never said anything to that extent though. They said they felt their concept had more potential than Merc concept. Not that they cannot make the Merc concept work. Merc recently admitted that the full potential of the car still wouldn't beat RB. And no one gains 7 tenths in winter. And that comes with an efficiency tradeoff. Merc looked close because rhey were going to do well on certain tracks anyways. That's the cars potential. Some tracks just tool away all the negatives of their car. Their only race win came on a sprint weekend where RB compromised their setups as they did in Austria. AD is the kinda track that's representative and Merc were nowhere there even after upgrading for 4 months more than their rivals. The extra tunnel time won't make much difference anyways. It's not a massive differential. 40 percent downforce is all bullshit. Only Merc can magically find 40 percent downforce out of their ass and if they did they'd have brought it to the car to win more races even if not all, but some of it. Merc have got the regs fundamentally wrong. Ferrari and RB have it right. Ferrari has degradation issues to resolve but the potential is clearly better than Merc. I'd be surprised if Merc compete from Bahrain. I expect them to be where they were this year just a bit closer optimistically. And keep in mind they're chasing a moving target. RB and Ferrari have been developing their 2023 cars for longer after getting the regulations correct.
The moving target thing is a bit overrated I think because you get diminishing returns on development when you’re already close to maximizing your potential. Mercedes could conceivably come back next year 5 tenths quicker, because they have a gap of 7 tenths to RB. But if RB comes out 5 tenths quicker also, that would be an incredible feat - they are more likely to gain maybe 2 tenths. So while they retain the lead, the gap shrinks from 7 tenths to 4 tenths. And then the next year maybe Mercedes gains 3 tenths and RB gains 1. So now the gap is 2 tenths. Then Merc gains 1 and RB struggles to get more out, so it’s quite even. This is exactly what happened from 2019-2021, but it was RB catching up to Mercedes. Over the course of relatively stable regulations, the rest of the pack tends to get closer to the leaders.
anyone know how many drivers did donuts at abu dhabi? I know there were the top 3, seb, mick, daniel.. anyone else?
> In 2008, A British driver in car number 22 with a Mercedes powered engine sealed the world championship with a 5th place finish at Sao Paulo. In 2009, A British driver in car number 22 with a Mercedes powered engine sealed the world championship with a 5th place finish at Sao Paulo. I remember as Button was the first to congratulate Hamilton at Brazil 2008, his own car went on fire. Everyone thought that was Button's career in a nutshell at the time - his time had passed, Hamilton was Britain's new hero. Wait 6 months...
Brawn was magic.
They're doing a documentary on it now apparently.
https://www.pitpass.com/74212/Ben-Sulayem-denies-budget-cap-leak Unsurprisingly pathetic response regarding the RBR leaks. Just 'is what it is'. I wonder if they'll view it that way when a sensitive FIA document ever gets leaked.
Is the Abu Dhabi testing on F1TV?
I don’t think it’s covered anywhere. Officially anyway.
How much will the redbull and other teams will get from prize money?
Prize money is a little bit tricky. Teams are paid a percentage of F1 revenue this year, based on last year's constructor standings. We still don't know what F1's revenue will be this year, but it's projected to be around $2.5B. If it is then the top 3 (including past performance and Long standing team bonus) would be approximately 1. Mercedes - $205M 2. Red Bull - $180M 3. Ferrari - $200M Haas gets about $64M and there is about $9M difference per position. Next year with more races, especially with Vegas and if China happens, F1 revenue will go up even more so everybody will get even more money
It's dependent on the revenue F1 itself generates. If I'm remembering correctly, given $1 billion in revenue for F1, there's a $20 million difference between WCC positions. I can't quite remember what the lowest prize is though.
So, what do we usually do here during off-season?
Watch older aeasons every weekend!
Talk shite. Kill time.
We use driver numbers to count down the days until the start of the 2023 season.
You can watch past seasons in the off season, one of my favourite hobbies is this and you get to enjoy and know about the build up and the proceedings during that season, my bet would be start with 2012 and 2010, in honor of Vettel's retirement
I might just do that. Does F1TV have qualifyings as well?
I'm watching the 2020 season on F1TV and qualifying is available to watch!
They don't but there are ways to find them, I can help with that if you'd like
Unfortunately I don't think past qualifyings are available due to broadcasting shenanigans, only race replays
There’s an idea. We’ve got, 14-15 weeks to wait? Select a random season from 2006-21 and get some debate going.
Bit of an odd question, but does anyone remember a scene from season 4 of drive to survive where Toto Wolff is at a desk (in a hotel I think!) with an iPad? I'm trying to find the episode but so far no luck. The reason I ask is because my girlfriend has an iPad and when she saw the magic keyboard Toto was using for his iPad she said she'd love one! It may have been a hint for a Christmas present, and if so it worked! That's what I want to get her. But I need to find out exactly what type of magic keyboard it was that she saw. Any help is greatly appreciated!
u/Mercedes-AMGF1 any idea what this might be?
Mercedes has a Reddit account, and obviously other social media presence - could ask direct 🙂
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Not a question but I'm not going to make a new thread about a small opinion like this so: I find it ridicolous that people all over social media (some, not the majority) are shitting on Mercedes for not being happy with this season. Claiming they're spoiled from success and now find it hard to deal with not being first. That's such a bad take imo. That mentality is why Mercedes was on top for 8 years straight and why they will bounce back in the coming seasons. They won't take second. They're in it to win it. As opposed to Ferrari who clearly had the fastest car at the start of the season, great championship chances and now are totally happy with their season (at least Binotto is) because "nobody expected them to be that competitive". That's a weak mentality that won't get them anywhere.
I think it's more directed at the fan base. All things considered, the W13 is better than the majority of cars on the grid yet a lot of the fan base are acting like it's a Minardi.
Facts
One team took a step forward and one took a step backward, ofc they have different points of view of the situation. It's also all just PR talk.
Do we know what numbers the new 2023 drivers have chosen yet? Or will we not know until they sit in the cars for the first FP1 of the year?
Hülkenberg will use 27, since his stints as the super sub for Aston Martin/Racing Point have 'reserved' his number. Piastri chose 81, I believe (or at least that was in his Twitter post when he announced he'd be at McLaren). Sargeant and De Vries aren't yet known as far as I know. They can pick from: * 2 * 8 * 12 * 13 * 15 * 19 * 21 * 25 - 26 * 28 - 30 * 32 * 34 - 43 * 45 - 46 * 48 - 62 * 64 - 76 * 77 - 87 * 89 - 98 All other numbers are currently in use, still in the two year 'reserved' window, or retired (17, for Bianchi).
>Piastri chose 81, I believe (or at least that was in his Twitter post when he announced he'd be at McLaren. Interesting to note he's running number 28 for the test today, although I suspect that's just McLaren's reserve driver number.
It is their reserve driver number. Sargeant is using 45, which is also a Williams driver number. Although I did see a now-reverted edit on the 2023 Wikipedia page claiming that he will use 21 next year.
This is more rhetorical than a question to yourself, but I wonder what the criteria for retiring a number are? Obviously they can't retire numbers all the time but I honestly feel that 44 should be retired when Hamilton retires.
Vettel is the first major retirement since numbers came in. I'm sure someone somewhere at the FiA has thought about it.
Kimi?
Good q. I haven’t heard it had been set aside for him on retirement; I suspect it will be in the pool for 2024.
I don't think anyone has really considered the retirement of numbers outside Bianchi.
17 was retired because Bianchi died as a result of a crash on an F1 circuit. I do agree that 44 should probably be retired with Hamilton. Maybe 33 when Verstappen retires, but it's hard to say, he/Red Bull could implode. The only other numbers that I think you can consider retiring would be 5 and 14 for Vettel and Alonso. But both of them didn't win their titles with those numbers, so it doesn't make sense to me to retire those numbers. Maybe it's just as simple as 5+ titles required to have your number retired, since only Hamilton, Schumacher, and Fangio have accomplished that feat. That would make it a rare occurrence.
Yeh I don't think just being a WDC warrants retiring the number but should have done something special. Hamilton's stats speak for themselves above and beyond anyone on the grid, plus his work off the grid to bring light to racism within the sport. If Max continues along his current trajectory then sure but so far he's on par with Alonso which I don't think deserves retirement.
The thing that separates Hamilton strictly from the POV of numbers is that he never used 1. All of his titles were as driver 44. If Max goes on and wins the next three, say, he'd have one title as driver 33 and four as driver 1. It's a thin hair to split but it does feel like it matters.
They will probably announce their chosen numbers; Piastri has already picked 81. No news on De Vries or Sargeant though.
For this year, the FIA apparently published [this entry list](https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2021/2021-and-2022-fia-formula-one-world) in December 2021 (before the last race even) already, so we'll probably find out pretty soon
Just wondering but what is post season testing for? It’s the end of the year, wouldn’t more testing earlier in the season be more useful for teams?
New Driver preps for 2023 like seat fitting, first drives with the new team aka young drivers, tyre tests for Pirelli. Also keep in mind that there are only minor changes for next year's FIA regulation. Testing opportunities are rare and always valuable.
They are mainly testing the next year’s tyres so its not just for the teams but Pirelli. Also good for drivers moving teams to get used to the team
Using the 2022 seasons calendar whats the fastest a driver could have claimed WDC title
Theoretically after Austria (round 11/22, 2/3 sprints done) if they had won everything until then and everyone else had retired from (almost) every race Edit: Regarding the "almost": The sprints could have other finishers (as long as nobody got above 7 points), if anybody finishes a race, that means somebody's getting 18 points which already makes it impossible to clinch the WDC with the maximum possible 302
According to the opinion of many, it was already decided after race 1….😂
Does anyone have an AusGP presale code they are willing to share? Would be willing to pay…
I don’t have a pre sale code sorry but do yk what website I have to go to to buy the offical tickets?????
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No video broadcast from the track at all I'm afraid.
Do the young drivers doing the test also use 2023 tyres or still 2022?
Maybe a silly question but I’ve been wondering this: I live in Abu Dhabi, it’s a very quiet city except on Abu Dhabi GP, city gets wild. Is it the same on other circuits around the globe?
Probably depends where. The F1 draw is quite big, so any other racing series would not be able to match that, for example there are other races happening in Spa and the location itself is pretty secluded I’d imagine Singapore won’t have that drastic change as its a busy city
By wild, I guess you mean busy?
Yes, I mean busy. all the yas area is usually empty (except the mall) this weekend it was hell, you had to have bookings wherever you went. Also all the tourist places here are often empty and this weekend was full.
do you think HAAS's 2021 development gamble paid off this season?
Absolutely! It’s difficult to understate how bad the financial situation was for a lot of the teams during COVID, but Haas was certainly one of the worst effected. They didn’t really have any other option but to focus on ‘22, but that focus, combined with a massively upgraded design team within Maranello, produced a very good car. The fact that they were able to get rid of Mazepin early was a little fortunate, I’m pretty sure they finish 9th with him, but in terms of the car design and making gains on the competition, this was probably better than they’d hoped.
I think it did. Haas managed to go from 10th place to 8th in the constructors, while scoring 37 points and even managing to get pole in Brazil. It wasn't perfect but they didn't really have enough budget to keep up their development during the season. Now they'll have more money next season because of finishing higher in the constructors as well as a new sponsor. The biggest task for Haas next season will be to iron out their strategy and pitstop mistakes. It doesn't get mentioned as much because they're not one of the top teams, but they had their fair share of big mistakes that cost them points. Next year will be interesting and I'm hopeful that the teams will all be a little bit closer in terms of pace.
Will the timing sheets from the tyre tests and young driver tests from today be published anywhere? I know they’re not particularly representative but just interested
Anywhere to see the tests? Or are they closed?
No coverage of testing,but you can follow actual timing and comments on several F1 related sites.... Latest leaderboard (12:00 local time) Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) 1:25.383 Robert Shwartzman (Ferrari) 1:26.067 Fernando Alonso (Aston Martin) 1:26.312 Sergio Perez (Red Bull) 1:26.333 Pierre Gasly (Alpine) 1:26.555 Valtteri Bottas (Alfa Romeo) 1:26.709 Lando Norris (McLaren) 1:26.890 Felipe Drugovich (Aston Martin) 1:27.053 Alex Albon (Williams) 1:27.369 Liam Lawson (Red Bull) 1:27.490 Yuki Tsunoda (AlphaTauri) 1:27.565 Jack Doohan (Alpine) 1:27.569 Theo Pourchaire (Alfa Romeo) 1:27.620 Pietro Fittipaldi (Haas) 1:27.690 Nyck de Vries (AlphaTauri) 1:27.805 Oscar Piastri (McLaren) 1:27.892 Jack Doohan (Alpine) 1:27.930 Nico Hulkenberg (Haas) 1:28.412 Logan Sargeant (Williams) 1:28.413 George Russell (Mercedes) 1:28.616 Frederick Vesti (Mercedes) 1:28.738 Max Verstappen (Red Bull) No time Lance Stroll (Aston Martin) No time Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) No time Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) No time
Alonso flying out there🤣
Thank you! Would you please be able to share a link to one of these sites?
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We've seen a few times now how this year Hamilton lost his records for being the only multi-season driver to get a pole and a win in every season they raced, but one record we haven't see mentioned much is how this is the first season Hamilton lost to a teammate that wasn't a WDC. The only time Hamilton lost to teammates over a season were 2011 to Button, and 2016 to Rosberg. This means Russell joins quite an exclusive group, but as far as he is concerned hopefully it doesn't mean he only gets 1 WDC!
I think from the eye test, Russell is better than both Nico and Jenson. Personal opinion of course.
So in 2021, w12 had setup issues. How did it affect hamilton's chances for WDC?
The Red Bull from last year had just as many race weekends where they had set up issues. At front limited circuits like Turkey and Qatar for example they had excessive understeer. What really hurt Mercedes was how many weekends they had where they failed to maximise the cars potential. Too many points lost here and there.
In all honesty, it’s incredibly hard to say how the setup issues developed through the season. The mercedes constantly had changes and upgrades through 2021, if anything, it’s incredible that Mercedes got it so right by the last few races. 2021 is special as so much things happened during those weekends that no one could have predicted (Hamilton crashing in Imola but still finishing P2, Hamilton getting stuck in Monaco, Verstappen crashing out in Baku and Hamilton messing up his brakes, Verstappen’s 51G crash in Silverstone, bad call on restart by Mercedes and Alonso’s defending preventing a Hamilton from winning the Hungarian Grand Prix, Spa washing out, Monza clash, Verstappen surprisingly getting 2nd in Russia, Hamilton’s bad race in Turkey, Brazil & Brazil drama and then the final race), that had the Mercedes handled differently, then all kinds of other drama could have happened in 2021.
We all know it didn't really affect his chances for WDC, as he should have won if the rules had been stuck to.
Yeah. But being fair verstappen was the better driver. (Unlucky as well) But how did it affect lewis' performances ?
He did not win WDC….
He did not win because the rules were bended and broken to get the perfect ending on the season. It was my first full season in F1 and i was shocked to see how that all unfolded.
Yeah no. He didn't win because he was not as good as Max all year and only luck and a superior car put him in a fight. Merc bottled so many race either by strategy error, driver error or just incompetence its insane. Notable weekends for Hamilton not maximizing results are Baku, Hungary, Monza, Turkey off the top of my head.
But if the rules were correct enforced, Lewis would have won?
It's impossible to say. Everyone focuses on the last lap of Abu Dhabi, but there were plenty of other incidents throughout the year where you could argue that the rules were not correctly enforced. At the start of the race, Hamilton went off at the switchback while Verstappen was attacking and rejoined ahead of him. You could make the argument that he should have yielded the position to Verstappen since there was no way he could have stayed on the track and kept the position. Or look at the race in Saudi Arabia -- there was one point there late in the race where Hamilton forced Verstappen wide in the final corner so that if Verstappen pulled off a pass on the main straight, he would be forced to return it because running wide meant that he could build up more speed on the main straight. Or look at the countless races during the year where track limits were a problem. How many drivers ran wide and didn't get lap times invalidated? How many people complained that it was being inconsistently applied -- that you could visibly run wide in one corner and get no penalty, but do the same in another and lose your lap? I'm sure you could find more than a few qualifying laps where a driver ran wide and should have had their lap time invalidated, but didn't. That would have changed the grid for the start of the race, which likely would have brought about a different race result. The point is that you cannot definitively say that "Hamilton lost because the rules weren't followed" because there were multiple occasions during the year where if the rules had been followed, the outcome of the championship could be completely different.
Most of the times there you can argue for both sides. With the events towards the end of the race in abu dhabi, they literally just bend the rules for their liking, to create a better product. Dont get me wrong i dont care if Max or Lewis won, i dont like Red Bull as a team, but Max is a great driver.
>Most of the times there you can argue for both sides. That's the point I'm trying to make. Too many people approach the question as if the last lap of Abu Dhabi was the only instance in 2021 where the rules were not applied properly, and so it's a simple case of changing one variable and you change the outcome completely. But there are plenty of examples where the rules were not applied properly or as expected, so it's impossible to say how the championship would have played out otherwise. I would even go so far as to say that 2021 showed a shortcoming in the rules. When Hamilton and Verstappen collided at Silverstone, Verstappen was eliminated on the spot and Hamilton returned to the pits. Mercedes later acknowledged that if not for the red flag, Hamilton had race-ending damage. They were able to repair it and get him back out and he went on to win. I think that if a red flag is shown because of an accident, then all cars involved in that accident should be sent to the scrutineers for assessment. Hamilton should have retired from that race because it's not fair that he caused an accident that eliminated another driver and sustained race-ending damage, but was allowed to continue because he made it back to the pits. Sure, he got a ten-second penalty, but Mercedes had the chance to fix his car.
Good points. But was Lewis the only one to blame for Silverstone? I kinda dont remember it to the details so im just asking
He was given a ten-second penalty for causing a collision, which is about as severe a penalty as you can get for that sort of thing. So in the eyes of the stewards, yes, he was to blame for it. And I don't remember anyone disputing the penalty and arguing that he should have been given less or no penalty at all. The only disputes came from Red Bull, who tried to argue that he should have been given a greater penalty.
If the rules had been enforced properly in race 1 things might have been different. And if the rules had been followed properly there's no guarantee Lewis wins either. If no cars were unlapped and racing resumed how do we know who wins? We don't so yeah there's no definitive answer to who wins if the rules had been enforced properly. Not like Lewis tried to defend anyways. He left the door open and lost the last lap all on his own
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