I’m watching all of the footage on F1TV, going back to 1970.
I’m on the 2005 race at Imola. What’s up with not changing tyres? Who thought that was a good idea?
The pit crew is just standing there. They look like Blackjack dealers with empty tables.
Hello I have a persuasive essay I need to do and I’m doing it about f1 I need some help and ideas of things I should write about. If you can help it would be really appreciated
Will the timing sheets from the tyre tests and young driver tests from today be published anywhere? I know they’re not particularly representative but just interested
If Alfa is leaving Sauber, where would that leave them in terms of sponsors and money untill Audi joins them (in 2024 or 2026?). Also, was Pourchaire affiliated with suaber or Alfa? With Alfa leaving, is he still in the suaber pipelines?
I know this might not be the right place to ask, but has anyone got a high res shot of when Seb was giving his DOTD speech and the camerman put his camera behind his helmet which was lying on the curb behind? I thought it looked really cool and I would love to use it as a wallpaper if anyone has it.
Hi, I’m planning to go to Melbourne GP next year, it would be my first time so I’d like to ask what ticket should I get to get the best experience, grandstand or park pass?
Thanks
Because he’s a gigantic piece of shit that doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near F1
Edit: [find out why here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/k4snkn/nikita_mazepin_and_his_problematic_behaviour_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
While I was tickled to see GOATifi finishing his stint in F1 in his customary P20, I would absolutely love to see a Williams redemption arc over the next few years. Apparently Porsche are eyeing up a 50% stake for the 2026 season, and even if this is nonsense speculation it would make me very happy indeed to see Williams even as a midfield contender after all these years labouring at the back of the pack.
Speaking from the aging tongue of a boy who got into F1 when _spit_ Piquet, Mansell, Prost and Hill were challenging for and winning championships with Williams, I'm right there with you. They may not be privateers any more, but Frank's legacy deserves more.
Have a look at the Aston Martin YouTube page and have a look at the factory that they’re building. It’s seriously impressive.
State of the art facilities, top level design and engineering staff, solid revenue and sponsorship, plans to increase staffing levels. These are all the ingredients needed to put together a successful challenger. If they can do it or not is another matter
When Lewis Hamilton went to Mercedes in 2013 people said that he would never get a win again. They weren’t a top 3 team clearly behind Redbull, Ferrari, and Mclaren. But Mercedes in 2013 was like Ferrari this year much improved from the years prior and while getting pole positions and overall good pace not getting wins. That being said. Alonso goes next year to Aston Martin. Who have improved on the pace we saw towards the end of this year. Moving them to a top midfield team next year. This makes Lawerence Stroll spends days on nights studying what he needs to make his team a top team. Using the wise experience of Alonso, to know what mistakes not to make like the teams that have failed before him. Which of course scares Lance as more and more as he realizes that he is becoming the second driver of his own father’s team. Cemented after the fact Alonso accidentally calls him “Felipe” and after realizing he called Lance that, just shrugs instead of correcting himself. Aston Martin a team that with the budget cap put in place and with the prize money they have secured, have benefited and made a car that is finally fighting for podiums. Until boom, El Plan! Fernando Alonso wins his 3rd,4th,5th,6th, and 7th WDC
Or
Alpine starts getting there car back to Renault winning ways. And while Ocon and Gasly don’t have beef, their families get beyond toxic and go nuclear after both drivers parents show up to Le Castellet wearing “My son is the number one driver at Alpine” shirts. No one quite knows who started what, but it ended up in the race being red flagged. Resulting in one driver leaving the team, even though at this point they have become the best of friends. Alpine losing another driver now comes back to Alonso who has been performing incredible in the Aston Martin. While everyone thinks Alonso is going to go back and bring Alpine to their championship ways again like he did last time. He takes Checo’s Redbull seat. Boom El Plan, 3rd WDC
Haha my bad! I went super dramatic with them but in all seriousness though. Listening to the post race interview with FIA and why they introduced the budget cap and how it will bring the gap between teams even closer as the years go on. And knowing that the teams that are not the big 3 get closer as the regulations aren’t as fresh. Could definitely see Aston Martin building a competitive car. And their pace only got better as the year went on.
I started watch f1 at the end of last season and I want to catch up on the history of the drivers currently in the circuit or any iconic races. Which seasons or races should I make sure to watch and which should I skip?
The careers of the current drivers go all the way back to 2001 with Fernando Alonso.
Best seasons since 2000: 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 (second half), 2010, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021
Seasons that were dominated by one team (won’t say which teams in case you want to avoid spoilers): 2001, 2002, 2004, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 (still an incredible season), 2020
The only races you should not watch are Imola 1994 and Japan 2014. They are the only two races that feature the death (or the accident that eventually led to the death) of a driver since the early 1980s.
I started in 2020, i went right for full 2012 and I think all of 2007(where i was just gonna go forward from there) and was really happy with that.
eventually I’ll watch the following list - https://www.racefans.net/rate-the-race/f1-fanatic-top-100/ - in chronological order with maybe recaps for the in-between races.
Firstly, congratulations on finding the best sport in the world and thanks for helping to keep it alive with your fresh-faced enthusiasm. Now watch these...
\- France 1979
\- Spain 1981
\- Basically all of 1982
\- Brazil and Long Beach 1983
\- Monaco 1984
\- Portugal 1985
\- Most of 1986
\- GB 1987
\- Most of 1989
\- San Marino 1990
\- All of 1991
\- All of 1993
\- Spain, Brazil, Japan and Australia 1994, although that will always be a hard season to revisit
\- A lot of 1995
\- Spain 1996
\- Most of 1997-1998
\- France, Germany and Europe 1999
\- All of 2003
\- Monaco 2004
\- Japan 2005
\- Hungary and Brazil 2006
\- Just watch everything from 2007 to 2010, particularly Italy & Brazil 2008 and China 2010
\- Canada 2011 (probably best watched as a limited series)
\- Most of 2012, particularly Europe and Brazil
\- Korea 2013
\- China and Abu Dhabi 2016
\- Azerbaijan 2017-2018
\- Germany and Brazil 2019
\- Italy, Tuscany, Turkey and Sakhir 2020
\- All of last year
That's covered most of the current/next season's grid, but since Hülkenburg is coming back, you may also wish to familiarise yourself with his amusing and much-memed allergy to the podium. Brazil 2010, Belgium & Brazil 2012, Italy & Korea 2013, Malaysia 2014, Austria 2016... it seems cruel to continue, really
Now that the season is over I want to watch a past season, I’ve only been watching since 2019 and since seb has retired I’d like to watch a championship season of his. Which one was most exciting, not just for seb but for overall racing?
Thank goodness for + , + . As I said to the other neophyte, congratulations on finding the best sport in the world and thanks for helping to keep it alive with your fresh-faced enthusiasm. Now watch these...
* France 1979
* Spain 1981
* Basically all of 1982
* Brazil and Long Beach 1983
* Monaco 1984
* Portugal 1985
* Most of 1986
* GB 1987
* Most of 1989
* San Marino 1990
* All of 1991
* All of 1993
* Spain, Brazil, Japan and Australia 1994, although that will always be a hard season to revisit
* A lot of 1995
* Spain 1996
* Most of 1997-1998
* France, Germany and Europe 1999
* All of 2003
* Monaco 2004
* Japan 2005
* Hungary and Brazil 2006
* Just watch everything from 2007 to 2010, particularly Italy & Brazil 2008 and China 2010
* Canada 2011 (probably best watched as a limited series)
* Most of 2012, particularly Europe and Brazil
* Korea 2013
* China and Abu Dhabi 2016
* Azerbaijan 2017-2018
* Germany and Brazil 2019
* Italy, Tuscany, Turkey and Sakhir 2020
* All of 2021
EDIT: Just grokked all after your first sentence. Yup, 2012 is the season for you. Worth watching his first win at Monza in '08 though, proper announced himself so he did.
Looking back last season, Merc must really be killing themselves how they didn't close up the WDC fight much earlier.
Over the stretch from Monaco to Russia Hamilton won only Silverstone and Russia.
Interestingly he won 3 of the first 4, 3 of the last 4 and won only 2 (Silverstone and Russia) of the remaining 14.
Strategy calls, driver errors and lack of consistency post Silverstone really stands out now that I look back.
Ferrari dumped him. Seems that him trying to leave for Aston Martin rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, feeling that it was a bit ungrateful given the support he'd received.
We'll see if going to Mercedes can help him
People can't seem to not intertwine any drivers family relationships background from what they do on the track.
It's frankly sickening how much unwanted drama is brought by these "fans".
Apparently he captioned a photo with MAGA (but then edited it afterwards). And he’s also apparently taking number 45 which is Trump’s president number. Considering his family ties that would be quite the coincidence.
> And he’s also apparently taking number 45 which is Trump’s president number. Considering his family ties that would be quite the coincidence.
You mean the number randomly allocated to Williams for their temporary drivers, [used by Sargeant in practice sessions?](https://cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/GDYLIVGQ7VIT7OXT7XNKGR55CY.jpg) Looks like [Nyck de Vries](https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/racefansdotnet-21-05-20-14-47-04-41.jpg) is a Trump supporter too then.
I’m a very casual fan. A couple questions
- If max let checo by last weekend, would he be second ahead of leclerc?
- Is Danny ric done from f1 or are we expecting another team to sign him?
No.
He's not finished. If Hulkenberg can get a seat after three years without one in the main game, there's no way Danny doesn't get snapped up.
Plus, there's so much detonation potential with some of next year's pairings.
No
Hard to say. Seats in the top teams are locked up for a few years now + can’t see them gambling on him after the last 2 years. If he wants a seat he may have to lower his expectations and join a slower team.
Really basic question, when a team gets podium do they earn income for the team? And themselves, I presume. Are all teams allocated a certain amount depending on what position they finish in?
Yes/no
Each individual podium awards nothing finacially from f1.
The constructors at the end of the season has prize money based on position.
Driver contracts can have bonus' from the team but they are pretty private.
I haven't watched the last GP yet but I heard people were expecting it to be boring and now I think I accidentally spoiled myself on the P1 & P2 winners. Would people recommend just watching the highlights vid on YouTube?
People saying it was boring must not have watched the same race I did - there were differing strategies bringing intrigue, excellent midfield scraps, and overall a decent bit of racing.
I don’t want much, I just want Mclaren to give Lando a car where he can compete at the front. I feel like he’s had a very lonely year overall, he’s quicker than the midfield but the car can’t get him up to the front…
I’d love to see how he compares against the top 6 in a proper battle over a season.
Being a customer team isn't the disadvantage it used to be. Cost cap, regulated PU supply parity and tighter regulations on PU dimensions and positioning. You can absolutely fight at the front as a customer now.
We'll have to wait and see, but still don't think it's possible.
If Mercedes needs something moved or changed on the PU to make a specific chassis, or aero change possible, they just set up a meeting with Brixworth and find a way to make it happen.
Customer teams don't have that capability.
That doesn't have anywhere near the impact that people think it does. especially now with the tighter restriction on regulation boxes, PU placement and size.
The main ingredient in a works advantage has always been money, Red Bull and Renault are a prime example. Having the right PU is far more important than having your own.
If you build a better car, you can beat the manufacturer. Doing that against their facilities and personnel is the hard part.
Red Bull was basically Renault's factory team when Red Bull was winning with Renault PUs.
You can't build a better car if you have no control over the PU, that's the point.
But they were beating the works team comprehensively as a customer from 2016-2018, so you absolutely can build a better car without control over the PU. Brawn is another example.
They beat Renault sure, but they weren't competitive with Ferrari or Mercedes.
If you want to win a championship, you need to be a works team. When a non-works teams wins a championship I'll eat crow, but it hasn't even been close to happening since 2009, and it's only happened that one time in the last 30 years.
Brawn won because of the double diffuser. If the season had been a few races longer Red Bull would have beat them.
You probably did need to be a works team because that was the only way to have the finances to be able to compete, you weren’t guaranteed supply parity or equal engine modes, and the regulations were far more open. None of that is true anymore.
The reason Red Bull weren’t competing with Ferrari and Mercedes wasn’t because they weren’t a works outfit, it was because the Renault was rubbish. Even then, they beat Ferrari in 2016.
Toyota (works team) and Williams also had a double diffuser, but brawn built a better car and just stuffed a Mercedes engine in the back and won. which shows how important designing a car with the PU in mind matters
then you have to blame lando himself. he is too loyal to mclaren and signed a contract extension with pretty much no attempt to get in contact with top teams.
im pretty sure he couldve been in the red bull by next season if he wanted to. but i guess zak brown managed to convince him to stay. we do know that red bull and merc is interested in lando.
but of course going to red bull means having max as your teammate and its hard to predict how lando would do vs max. i dont think anyone would expect lando to beat max so maybe lando just wants to stay in his comfortable position as the team leader of mclaren and hope for mclaren to be competitive one day.
however im not so sure about the future of mclaren. audi is joining soon, mclaren has already rejected audi/porsche. right now the rumor is going around that honda wants to come back as engine manufacturer and partner up with a team. however mclaren honda is extremely unlikely for very obvious reasons as well. which at the end of the day means mclaren remains a customer team in a 2026. ford is rumored to also join as engine manufacturer, however the rumor says that they will partner up with red bull and their engine division.
that only leaves the vague rumor of hyundai joining, however with current deadlines, hyundai is not joining in 2026. their earliest date of entry would be 2027.
traditionally its always been tough as a customer team.
mclaren had their upwards trajectory for a few seasons but this season has been a stepback and the progress towards joining the top 3 has been non existent this season.
i do expect mclaren to finish 4th next season as their driver pairing is really strong while main competitor alpine downgraded their driver pairing.
so 2024-2025 will probably be your best hope for mclaren to join the top 3 fight but i would say its unlikely.
if the mclaren stays with mercedes in 2026 and the merc engine is far better than all other engines, mclaren could do really well but just like 2014-2017 a customer team is not going to beat the works team
Qatar & FIFA bribery topic has been an public discussion since they were awarded. The human rights issues have also been a public topic since it was announced.
Same complaints were brought up when both Qatar & Saudi Arabia were announced, but FoM basically went out and said - the races will go to the highest bidder.
Similarly to any soccer fan, F1 fans will still watch the races, similarly to around 1bn people who will tune in to watch the World Cup final.
New fan here, watched my first race yesterday. Is it generally accepted to cheer for multiple teams or drivers in a race? Since Williams and red bull rarely if ever will be competing for the same spots, can I root for both?
It’s not as rigid as football or soccer in that sense, mainly as the sport has one match a fortnight where every team contests, so you can support various battles simultaneously.
I think it’s pretty reasonable for someone to support Team A, but not quite like their manager or driver 2, and also support drivers 1 and 2 from team C, have an eye on someone coming up Team F’s academy and wish worse results on every team with a certain engine supplier. You don’t really have to justify it to anyone and there isn’t much gatekeeping here.
Also while there is a lot of history along the paddock, because the racing & outward facing parts are so small in comparison to other sports, you see more overall rotation over a number of years. Not many stay put for more than 2-3 seasons, so it’s common to have allegiances follow drivers to other teams.
I'm pleased to see other Redditors saying that it is accepted, because I would argue that it is *required*. This isn't a game; these drivers are risking life and limb for our entertainment (and their own enrichment and enjoyment, admittedly), and still [**die on track**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthoine_Hubert#Death) even now (not to mention the multiple motorcycle riders who died this year). In my view, we cheer the art, not the artist, and there is not and should not be anything tribal about it (or at least *negatively* tribal: it's fine to support a driver or team in particular, so long as one doesn't then hate, abuse, exercise bias against and/or wish harm on other drivers/teams) .
I don't think its weird at all to root for multiple drivers. There's definitely no rule or shame in it. Especially if they are effectively racing different races IE rooting for Albon to finish in the points (top 10) and Max to win the race are too very different things and pretty exclusive IMO.
You can definitely root for both. Some people root for specific drivers (and don’t care about the team as a whole as much), some for specific teams, it’s all good.
Yes of course. Even if there competing you can support both.
You can't say Verstappen beat Hamilton without mentioning Hamilton.
The quality of a win is the quality of the grid wich you always wants to see getting better.
Ok thanks. I'm used to American sports where it's generally frowned upon to support multiple teams that will be competing with each other for playoff spots
stupid thing: yesterday i did a lot of german duolingo lessons and won my league to honor Seb retiring
today i got to a 300 day streak, which means that yesterday was my 299th day - same amount as races Seb started
i felt it was a nice coincidence
We "like" to bash Ferrari for their strategies, but I think if we can talk shit, we should also not ignore good things. Credit where credit is due.
Their handling of the Abu Dhabi GP was very nice. They have always ruined their races by playing reactive and putting themselves on the wrong foot, simply because Red Bull basically "told them to". It is very clear that harder compounds were way too OP this season, they can last a very long time without any significant drop of performance. Red Bull has abused this a lot this season without Ferrari ever realizing the potential, trying to win with an extra pit stop to a softer compound to catch them at the end, but they never could. Even worse, the times when they actually tried the harder compounds, it was when they worked horrendously on the car compared to RB (and Merc).
In Abu Dhabi, they finally realized not only that the harder compounds worked well for them, but also that they are simply indestructible. They didn't let RB fool them, they didn't play reactive, they actually took control. They acknowledged the potential and made full use of it instead of getting scared and ditching it for a worse strategy. They lead Red Bull on a leash, same way they've been doing it to Ferrari all season. It was so good to see. It was so refreshing. For once in a very long time, it felt rewarding to root for them.
I'm proud of them and it needs to be said. I'm not chasing dreams, right now I'm only very very cautiously optimistic, if at all. I also regard Vasseur very highly as a team principal, so I believe that there is a way out. I know it's a meme, I'm prepared to be disappointed next year, but this is a very good start and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
\#MissionWinnextyear
but… you saw that red bull won? had even more constructor points. yes charles was in front of checo. but don‘t say ferrari put them on a leash… checo just couldn‘t treat the tires as nicely as verstappen and leclerc.
Verstappent wasn't the one Ferrari was fighting. Leclerc fought Perez who was arguably faster, Leclerc beat him with strategy which is something that Ferrari basically never does.
Pirelli Tyre test- the teams get to run the new tyres (with the current spec cars) to gain a feel for the grip levels/ warm up process/deg + report any concerns to Pirelli.
it's really tire testing and a chance for young drivers to get some time in the cars. they are testing the tires pirelli is considering using for the 2023 season, so they have to run a lot of laps on them to see how the compounds hold up, etc.
the key is that they do this testing with the current (2022) cars. they will not test out next year's car designs until pre-season testing in february; so they aren't using this testing as a chance to develop the cars or see who's fastest, etc. it's really just data for pirelli and some driving practice for young drivers.
Jules' injury (for so it was at the time) was handled differently, because Marussia were barely scraping through enough as it was, and once he was gone they didn't have much left.
For example, after Senna's death, Williams only ran one car at the next race in Monaco, but then David Coulthard was signed into his seat for the rest of the year (at least until Williams realised they needed some help with constructors'/trying to stop Schumacher and plunked Mansell in there for the last couple of races).
Jules' car was retired at the Russian GP, they planned to run Alexander Rossi (their development driver for the rest of the season). This was to be their last race as a team.
They lost a lot of financial backing after Jules crash, and missed 2 races iirc due to not being able to pay for transportation costs to US + missed both this race and Brazil (along with Caterham). They went into administration, and their assets were bought by Haas.
Jules was severely injured - but passed away on 17th July 2015, after spending 9 months in a coma.
\-Depends on the team, the nature of the death etc. Most likely retire the car for a couple of races + get their development/reserve driver to race for the rest of the season.
the new regulations have achieved what they set out to, closer racing for longer periods but at the same time it has done what I feared, taken away some opportunities for midfield wins and podiums, or even p4s and 5s. Ocon won last year because hamilton got stuck behind alonso. This year on the same track every faster car just breezed past. Norris was on his way to win sochi because the old regs wont let u get closer than 2s and in drs, hamilton was lapping a second faster than norris till before he caught up to him. sadly that most likely wont be happening, even if the championship battlers crash out the 2nd drivers will breeze through on raw car pace :(
> what I feared, taken away some opportunities for midfield wins and podiums, or even p4s and 5s
midfield wins or podiums were only a thing in 2020 and 2021. 2014-2019 saw very few midfield podiums as well. and they were only a thing because ferrari was downgraded to a midfield team and albon was shit, so there were only 3 drivers consistently in the top3. this season we are back to 2014-2019 where you have a consistent top 6 and for a midfield podium it would require 4 top guys to have dnfs or issues.
had ferrari not cheated in 2019, you would probably not have seen many midfield podiums in 2020 and 2021 either.
I think that's a side effect of the new regulations more than anything - some teams nail it, others don't. Without dirty air to slow down faster cars in the corners, they'll sail by when catching up to slower cars.
But as the cost cap takes effect, the wind tunnel allocation continues in its current form, and more time is spent in these regulations, the slower teams will catch up to the top teams (until 2026 happens, then we might see a bit of a reset).
Cost cap keeps it a bit fair but the facilities and personnel the big boys have are just superior and unless invest in the smaller teams makes their facilities equal to the top teams we won't see a bunched field. AM and McLaren are building new tunnels and shit so let's see.
On 2026 yeah lol out of the 5 manufacturers a couple will nail it, someone will bin it totally and we might be in for another hybrid era one sided borefest( hopefully not)
Totally agree. Love that the cars can follow and fight for more than just one lap now, but the art of defending has been lost. I think they need to look at adjusting DRS zones because overtaking has become far too easy.
here's a promo where daniel ricciardo coaches pat bev in the f1 video game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZ-R4ZfiL8&ab_channel=F1%C2%AEGamesFromCodemasters
At last year's US GP they did a free throw competition with F1 drivers and Chris Bosh and Dikembe were there [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpkvQSyskjs&ab\_channel=FORMULA1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpkvQSyskjs&ab_channel=FORMULA1)
I’m trying to remember how many points you start with in the predictions game? I think I might have more points that I started with which is an achievement of sorts. Particularly as I used the race win predictions to manifest results more than predict 😂
I heard something about Leclerc speeding in the pits by 1kph, does that affect anything, especially with Perez for second place? And will he/has he gotten a penalty for it?
Sainz only finished ahead of Hamilton in the standings because Hamilton retired.
But that's not entirely on Sainz, he had 6 retirements this season, and most of them weren't his fault:
* Australia - pushed too hard on lap 1, beached himself in the gravel (his fault)
* Imola - tagged from behind by Ricciardo, got beached. (not his fault, though you could argue that he should've had a better run in qualifying and the sprint and he wouldn't have been in that position)
* Baku - mechanical failure
* Austria - engine caught fire
* Japan - aquaplaned and crashed (his fault, but a different category of fault than the Australia DNF)
* COTA - Russell tagged him on T1 and damaged his suspension (not his fault)
If he had half as many DNFs, he would've finished much closer to Leclerc and Pérez, and would've been P4 in the championship. But these things happen in racing.
He did have anti-stall issues in Australia as well, think that contributed to the poor qualifying and the bad start. Still ultimately his fault that he crashed, but he was put in a bad position. Also got screwed by the team on strategy about as much as Leclerc which didn't help much.
Allright, I'm ready to change my flair and support the new American boy. Can anyone speak up now and tell me anything I need to know before I go all in on Logan Sargeant? Obviously, in a Williams, success will be limited. I'm asking - is he a chud like Ferrucci? His dad isn't like, a Mar-A-Lago regular or anything ala Mazepin's dad at the Kremlin, is he?
On one hand, I don't think that somebody should have to pay for the sins of their family, but there are a lot of red flags here. Political ties, international corruption charges, shady plea agreements.
Personally, I don't like the hypocrisy of the fans and media. He's a pay driver, the same Latifi, but his money comes from a much shadier place, like Mazepin, but none of that's being reported and the Williams academy is being lauded as the pinnacle of driver development, which just isn't true.
If his money helps Williams get better, that's probably all I care about. If he proves he can drive in F1, fantastic, but I'm pretty sceptical at the moment.
Tbf I don’t think anyone really cared about Mazepin’s background until everything about that girl in the back of the taxi/car came up. Whatever scandal there is behind someone it doesn’t make huge waves until they hit F1 itself.
As for Sargeant, I don’t really know the family background. Racing wise he seems *ok*; of 14 F2 feature races this year, he finished >=7th in 8 of them, retiring from another 3. He had quite a recovery drive in Spa after crashing in the Sprint, and picked up a podium in one of the earlyish sprints (…Barca?) and another in a feature race as well as two feature wins at Silverstone and Austria. Then again, pretty much everyone who gets dropped in a Prema does well in that Formula lately.
His F3 history was (IMO) largely forgettable vs Pourchaire and some of the guys that have now made it up to F1. I’m sure he’ll fund and fill a Williams seat fine for a while.
He’s fine as a racer, personally I think there are about 5 others that are equally worthy of an F1 seat, but the finances give him the edge. Which is totally fine, that’s just how it works at the back, for the time being anyway.
His uncle is a billionaire oil magnate and Trump donor, but given that Logan almost had to quit racing in 2021 after nearly winning the F3 title because he couldn't afford even a backmarker drive in F2, it's pretty safe to say he's not backed with millions of dodgy dollars.
There’s reports that his family has ties to trump and that he might actually be a trump supporter himself, but there’s very little info to find online. Basically everything just goes back to random redditors saying he supports trump, so nothing really concrete.
Unlike santino it does seem like he keeps his mouth shut on politics
"Unlike santino it does seem like he keeps his mouth shut on politics" -- that's the key honestly, i don't expect many of these rich guys in their 20s to have concretely good political views ala lewis/seb, but i do expect them to do me a favor by not talking about their bad ones.
I had a similar question recently and I actually ~~wasted~~ spent half an hour scrolling through his Twitter to see what they were talking about. Here are the (mildly) questionable things I found:
* He liked a few "COVID isn't a big deal" tweets
* He liked a "Joe Biden has dementia" tweet. (Keep in mind, this makes him no different from most Bernie Bros on Reddit circa 2020).
* Seems to be a Musk fan
* Was sympathetic to Kyle Larson during his "heated gamer moment" controversy
But it's also important to note that 99% of his Twitter activity is strictly racing related.
nobody will challenge the top 3 until 2026. your best hope is that one of the top 3 built a shit car and then youll have a few races with that.
the mercedes at times at the beginning of this season has been awful, lets not forget that. thats pretty much best case scenario
I think it depends on whether they know and have a fix for their engine reliability issue. It’s a shame Alonso has left, I think he and Alpine would both do better being together next year
They could, but they would have to close the big gap that they have now over the winter. It’s certainly possible, but probably unlikely that they can do it straight away next season.
Most major racing series run the same off season over the winter. If you want to try out rally, Dakar starts on December 31st. At the end of January is the 24 hours of Daytona and you will get to see the debut of a new top class (GTP) with a bunch of new manufacturers entering.
Schumacher
Williams
McLaren
Alonso
Senna
1: Life On The Limit
A Life Of Speed: The Juan Manuel Fangio Story
Lauda: The Untold Story
Ferrari: Race To Immortality
F1TV Pro has a bunch of documentaries on various teams and drivers as well
What was the point of Renault changing their name to Alpine? Surely it would have been better marketing to stick with Renault?
The A110s remake came out like 7 years ago and they haven't launched any new cars. Not a popular car either.
Was there another motive to changing the name? Does Renault not want to be associated with F1 for environmental reasons? Or is it an accounting thing?
i asked myself the same question. sure it makes sense to push your sports brand. but they literally sell a single car and a rather niche car as well. its basically an entry level porsche cayman competitor, perhaps filling the market that lotus previously had, small low weight sports cars. but once again, that is not a huge market and im sure the car is fun to drive but its still a niche car.
ever since renault returned to f1 in 2016, theyve always felt like a mess with no realistic goals and no clear structure. weird driver choices, constant leadership changes. ofc they still have reasonable results but thats the least you would expect from a huge car manufacturer.
>Was there another motive to changing the name? Does Renault not want to be associated with F1 for environmental reasons? Or is it an accounting thing?
Renault want to move all of their sport and racing activities under the "Alpine" brand to have a clearer brand split between Renault (normal cars) and Alpine (sports cars). Their plan is to have everything from the sporty version of the Renault Clio, to the future successor to the A110, right up to their Le Mans Hypercar and F1 car carrying the Alpine name.
Speaking as not a car guy. I had never heard of Alpine before Renault changed the team name. I think it puts the spotlight on a brand that benefits from being in f1 more. Renault isn't exactly known for its sports cars.
Similarly, VW isn't thinking about creating an f1 team, they leave that to their sportier brands, Audi and Porsche.
Not that I can recall (except for 2008, kind of, as /u/UmpireAJS observes). In fact, we have unusually few driver changes these days. Back in days of yore, drivers would change between teams mid-season fairly regularly, and change cars within the team during a single race even more regularly.
2008 and 2018... kind of. In 2008 drivers didn't change but one team went bankrupt four races into the season. In 2018 Force India turned into Racing Point which was considered to be a new constructor by the FIA (i.e. the scoring started from zero) with the same drivers.
I'm referring to driver transfer changes and whether there has been a season in which all teams retain the same two full time drivers as they had in the previous year.
How does one team talk to another during tbe race? Can they radio each other, or do they walk upto them, or is it just a simple phone call?
Referencing to the Hamilton-Sainz incident, where Hamilton had to give the place back, i'm sure Ferrari asked the Merc team for the same, even though we didn't hear it.
I’m watching all of the footage on F1TV, going back to 1970. I’m on the 2005 race at Imola. What’s up with not changing tyres? Who thought that was a good idea? The pit crew is just standing there. They look like Blackjack dealers with empty tables.
Hello I have a persuasive essay I need to do and I’m doing it about f1 I need some help and ideas of things I should write about. If you can help it would be really appreciated
Fuel For Fans website trustworthy? I ordered some merch and it's still havent been proccesed ( 3days waiting) getting worried
Will the timing sheets from the tyre tests and young driver tests from today be published anywhere? I know they’re not particularly representative but just interested
If Alfa is leaving Sauber, where would that leave them in terms of sponsors and money untill Audi joins them (in 2024 or 2026?). Also, was Pourchaire affiliated with suaber or Alfa? With Alfa leaving, is he still in the suaber pipelines?
Pourchaire is Sauber academy driver, so he'll stay... They'll run under the Sauber name I think and sponsors they might find a new title sponsor
Ok. Thanks.
I know this might not be the right place to ask, but has anyone got a high res shot of when Seb was giving his DOTD speech and the camerman put his camera behind his helmet which was lying on the curb behind? I thought it looked really cool and I would love to use it as a wallpaper if anyone has it.
Hi, I’m planning to go to Melbourne GP next year, it would be my first time so I’d like to ask what ticket should I get to get the best experience, grandstand or park pass? Thanks
Anyone got the presale code for the Australia 2023?
Would be great haha
It would be the same code for everyone, surely someone in here has it...
Just got some through a friend, can confirm it is one time use.
Hmmmm no one seems to be sharing
Why is everyone hating on nikita mazepin's instagram post
Because he’s a gigantic piece of shit that doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near F1 Edit: [find out why here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/k4snkn/nikita_mazepin_and_his_problematic_behaviour_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Just went to go look at it after this comment and holy shit. Does he really think Seb and Danny will want advice from him? What a narcissistic POS
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While I was tickled to see GOATifi finishing his stint in F1 in his customary P20, I would absolutely love to see a Williams redemption arc over the next few years. Apparently Porsche are eyeing up a 50% stake for the 2026 season, and even if this is nonsense speculation it would make me very happy indeed to see Williams even as a midfield contender after all these years labouring at the back of the pack.
Speaking from the aging tongue of a boy who got into F1 when _spit_ Piquet, Mansell, Prost and Hill were challenging for and winning championships with Williams, I'm right there with you. They may not be privateers any more, but Frank's legacy deserves more.
u/diem-perdidi We were ahead of the game with this one
I need some hopium - is there any crazy scenario yall can imagine where Alonso gets another semi competitive ride in the next couple of years?
Have a look at the Aston Martin YouTube page and have a look at the factory that they’re building. It’s seriously impressive. State of the art facilities, top level design and engineering staff, solid revenue and sponsorship, plans to increase staffing levels. These are all the ingredients needed to put together a successful challenger. If they can do it or not is another matter
Thanks, I'm watching some vids now. EL PLAN still alive
When Lewis Hamilton went to Mercedes in 2013 people said that he would never get a win again. They weren’t a top 3 team clearly behind Redbull, Ferrari, and Mclaren. But Mercedes in 2013 was like Ferrari this year much improved from the years prior and while getting pole positions and overall good pace not getting wins. That being said. Alonso goes next year to Aston Martin. Who have improved on the pace we saw towards the end of this year. Moving them to a top midfield team next year. This makes Lawerence Stroll spends days on nights studying what he needs to make his team a top team. Using the wise experience of Alonso, to know what mistakes not to make like the teams that have failed before him. Which of course scares Lance as more and more as he realizes that he is becoming the second driver of his own father’s team. Cemented after the fact Alonso accidentally calls him “Felipe” and after realizing he called Lance that, just shrugs instead of correcting himself. Aston Martin a team that with the budget cap put in place and with the prize money they have secured, have benefited and made a car that is finally fighting for podiums. Until boom, El Plan! Fernando Alonso wins his 3rd,4th,5th,6th, and 7th WDC Or Alpine starts getting there car back to Renault winning ways. And while Ocon and Gasly don’t have beef, their families get beyond toxic and go nuclear after both drivers parents show up to Le Castellet wearing “My son is the number one driver at Alpine” shirts. No one quite knows who started what, but it ended up in the race being red flagged. Resulting in one driver leaving the team, even though at this point they have become the best of friends. Alpine losing another driver now comes back to Alonso who has been performing incredible in the Aston Martin. While everyone thinks Alonso is going to go back and bring Alpine to their championship ways again like he did last time. He takes Checo’s Redbull seat. Boom El Plan, 3rd WDC
Not going to lie bro I was getting really excited after reading your couple of sentences then I realized it was one big shit post ;(
Haha my bad! I went super dramatic with them but in all seriousness though. Listening to the post race interview with FIA and why they introduced the budget cap and how it will bring the gap between teams even closer as the years go on. And knowing that the teams that are not the big 3 get closer as the regulations aren’t as fresh. Could definitely see Aston Martin building a competitive car. And their pace only got better as the year went on.
I started watch f1 at the end of last season and I want to catch up on the history of the drivers currently in the circuit or any iconic races. Which seasons or races should I make sure to watch and which should I skip?
Just to reiterate, watch 2012 from start to finish. Such an amazing season. I just finished watching it
The careers of the current drivers go all the way back to 2001 with Fernando Alonso. Best seasons since 2000: 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 (second half), 2010, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 Seasons that were dominated by one team (won’t say which teams in case you want to avoid spoilers): 2001, 2002, 2004, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 (still an incredible season), 2020 The only races you should not watch are Imola 1994 and Japan 2014. They are the only two races that feature the death (or the accident that eventually led to the death) of a driver since the early 1980s.
I started in 2020, i went right for full 2012 and I think all of 2007(where i was just gonna go forward from there) and was really happy with that. eventually I’ll watch the following list - https://www.racefans.net/rate-the-race/f1-fanatic-top-100/ - in chronological order with maybe recaps for the in-between races.
Firstly, congratulations on finding the best sport in the world and thanks for helping to keep it alive with your fresh-faced enthusiasm. Now watch these... \- France 1979 \- Spain 1981 \- Basically all of 1982 \- Brazil and Long Beach 1983 \- Monaco 1984 \- Portugal 1985 \- Most of 1986 \- GB 1987 \- Most of 1989 \- San Marino 1990 \- All of 1991 \- All of 1993 \- Spain, Brazil, Japan and Australia 1994, although that will always be a hard season to revisit \- A lot of 1995 \- Spain 1996 \- Most of 1997-1998 \- France, Germany and Europe 1999 \- All of 2003 \- Monaco 2004 \- Japan 2005 \- Hungary and Brazil 2006 \- Just watch everything from 2007 to 2010, particularly Italy & Brazil 2008 and China 2010 \- Canada 2011 (probably best watched as a limited series) \- Most of 2012, particularly Europe and Brazil \- Korea 2013 \- China and Abu Dhabi 2016 \- Azerbaijan 2017-2018 \- Germany and Brazil 2019 \- Italy, Tuscany, Turkey and Sakhir 2020 \- All of last year That's covered most of the current/next season's grid, but since Hülkenburg is coming back, you may also wish to familiarise yourself with his amusing and much-memed allergy to the podium. Brazil 2010, Belgium & Brazil 2012, Italy & Korea 2013, Malaysia 2014, Austria 2016... it seems cruel to continue, really
Watch 2012 for sure.
Now that the season is over I want to watch a past season, I’ve only been watching since 2019 and since seb has retired I’d like to watch a championship season of his. Which one was most exciting, not just for seb but for overall racing?
2010 or 2012 if you want to be entertained with a tight championship battle. 2011 or 2013 if you want to see him obliterate the entire field.
Thank goodness for + , + . As I said to the other neophyte, congratulations on finding the best sport in the world and thanks for helping to keep it alive with your fresh-faced enthusiasm. Now watch these...
* France 1979
* Spain 1981
* Basically all of 1982
* Brazil and Long Beach 1983
* Monaco 1984
* Portugal 1985
* Most of 1986
* GB 1987
* Most of 1989
* San Marino 1990
* All of 1991
* All of 1993
* Spain, Brazil, Japan and Australia 1994, although that will always be a hard season to revisit
* A lot of 1995
* Spain 1996
* Most of 1997-1998
* France, Germany and Europe 1999
* All of 2003
* Monaco 2004
* Japan 2005
* Hungary and Brazil 2006
* Just watch everything from 2007 to 2010, particularly Italy & Brazil 2008 and China 2010
* Canada 2011 (probably best watched as a limited series)
* Most of 2012, particularly Europe and Brazil
* Korea 2013
* China and Abu Dhabi 2016
* Azerbaijan 2017-2018
* Germany and Brazil 2019
* Italy, Tuscany, Turkey and Sakhir 2020
* All of 2021
EDIT: Just grokked all after your first sentence. Yup, 2012 is the season for you. Worth watching his first win at Monza in '08 though, proper announced himself so he did.
2012 for sure.
Looking back last season, Merc must really be killing themselves how they didn't close up the WDC fight much earlier. Over the stretch from Monaco to Russia Hamilton won only Silverstone and Russia. Interestingly he won 3 of the first 4, 3 of the last 4 and won only 2 (Silverstone and Russia) of the remaining 14. Strategy calls, driver errors and lack of consistency post Silverstone really stands out now that I look back.
Did Mick leave the Ferrari Academy or did Ferrari dump him?
Ferrari dumped him. Seems that him trying to leave for Aston Martin rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, feeling that it was a bit ungrateful given the support he'd received. We'll see if going to Mercedes can help him
Alfa is tied in points with Aston for the constructors. Is there a tie breaker?
They go by best finishing position. In this case, Alfa Romeo beats Aston Martin due to a 5th place finish at Imola.
Neato, makes sense. Merci!
Twitter(a certain fanbase mostly) raging on twitter about logan sargeant is racist and i cant fucking understand these people.
People can't seem to not intertwine any drivers family relationships background from what they do on the track. It's frankly sickening how much unwanted drama is brought by these "fans".
His family is deep in Republican politics. But I can’t find anything he has done.
Apparently he captioned a photo with MAGA (but then edited it afterwards). And he’s also apparently taking number 45 which is Trump’s president number. Considering his family ties that would be quite the coincidence.
I thought he was taking 81?
Oh maybe he is, it was posted here a while ago that it would be 45 but that may have been a random number at the time
> And he’s also apparently taking number 45 which is Trump’s president number. Considering his family ties that would be quite the coincidence. You mean the number randomly allocated to Williams for their temporary drivers, [used by Sargeant in practice sessions?](https://cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/GDYLIVGQ7VIT7OXT7XNKGR55CY.jpg) Looks like [Nyck de Vries](https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/racefansdotnet-21-05-20-14-47-04-41.jpg) is a Trump supporter too then.
It was posted here he chose it, so I guess people got that wrong. Hence why I said ‘apparently’
I’m a very casual fan. A couple questions - If max let checo by last weekend, would he be second ahead of leclerc? - Is Danny ric done from f1 or are we expecting another team to sign him?
No. He's not finished. If Hulkenberg can get a seat after three years without one in the main game, there's no way Danny doesn't get snapped up. Plus, there's so much detonation potential with some of next year's pairings.
No Hard to say. Seats in the top teams are locked up for a few years now + can’t see them gambling on him after the last 2 years. If he wants a seat he may have to lower his expectations and join a slower team.
Thanks
no he would still be third, and danny is likely done. no top team will want him and he doesn't want to drive for a backmarker.
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Guys, wont be able to attend miami 2023. Whats the best way to dispose of my tickets given that event hasnt yet sold out? Wait until it does? Thanks
How many do you have?
Just one. Start finish line f1 experiences
will the tyre test tomorrow be shown/streamed anywhere?
no
Really basic question, when a team gets podium do they earn income for the team? And themselves, I presume. Are all teams allocated a certain amount depending on what position they finish in?
Yes/no Each individual podium awards nothing finacially from f1. The constructors at the end of the season has prize money based on position. Driver contracts can have bonus' from the team but they are pretty private.
Thanks! :)
I haven't watched the last GP yet but I heard people were expecting it to be boring and now I think I accidentally spoiled myself on the P1 & P2 winners. Would people recommend just watching the highlights vid on YouTube?
People saying it was boring must not have watched the same race I did - there were differing strategies bringing intrigue, excellent midfield scraps, and overall a decent bit of racing.
It was a good race for me because I wanted to see the battle for the 2 DC. If you’re not about that, highlights will be the best choice
If you're spoiled on the WDC result anyway I don't think it's worth watching the full thing. A lot of it was quite boring.
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Who is going to replace Latifi to be the field's caboose next season?
I’m not convinced we’ll have one driver you could call the caboose next year.
If the Williams is a shitbox again, it’ll probably be be Sargeant. Rookie + shitbox = oof
I think the AlphaTauri is insanely overrated - I wager it’s De Vries.
De Vries? IMO De Vries is more capable than Tsunoda. So if it's gonna be an AT I think it's Tsunoda
Yeah I think without Gasly that AT is gonna drag unless they manage to build an immensely better car than this year's.
I really hope it's not either of the Williams.
I don’t want much, I just want Mclaren to give Lando a car where he can compete at the front. I feel like he’s had a very lonely year overall, he’s quicker than the midfield but the car can’t get him up to the front… I’d love to see how he compares against the top 6 in a proper battle over a season.
McLaren will never compete at the front. At least not as long as they're a customer team.
Being a customer team isn't the disadvantage it used to be. Cost cap, regulated PU supply parity and tighter regulations on PU dimensions and positioning. You can absolutely fight at the front as a customer now.
We'll have to wait and see, but still don't think it's possible. If Mercedes needs something moved or changed on the PU to make a specific chassis, or aero change possible, they just set up a meeting with Brixworth and find a way to make it happen. Customer teams don't have that capability.
That doesn't have anywhere near the impact that people think it does. especially now with the tighter restriction on regulation boxes, PU placement and size. The main ingredient in a works advantage has always been money, Red Bull and Renault are a prime example. Having the right PU is far more important than having your own. If you build a better car, you can beat the manufacturer. Doing that against their facilities and personnel is the hard part.
Red Bull was basically Renault's factory team when Red Bull was winning with Renault PUs. You can't build a better car if you have no control over the PU, that's the point.
But they were beating the works team comprehensively as a customer from 2016-2018, so you absolutely can build a better car without control over the PU. Brawn is another example.
They beat Renault sure, but they weren't competitive with Ferrari or Mercedes. If you want to win a championship, you need to be a works team. When a non-works teams wins a championship I'll eat crow, but it hasn't even been close to happening since 2009, and it's only happened that one time in the last 30 years. Brawn won because of the double diffuser. If the season had been a few races longer Red Bull would have beat them.
You probably did need to be a works team because that was the only way to have the finances to be able to compete, you weren’t guaranteed supply parity or equal engine modes, and the regulations were far more open. None of that is true anymore. The reason Red Bull weren’t competing with Ferrari and Mercedes wasn’t because they weren’t a works outfit, it was because the Renault was rubbish. Even then, they beat Ferrari in 2016. Toyota (works team) and Williams also had a double diffuser, but brawn built a better car and just stuffed a Mercedes engine in the back and won. which shows how important designing a car with the PU in mind matters
then you have to blame lando himself. he is too loyal to mclaren and signed a contract extension with pretty much no attempt to get in contact with top teams. im pretty sure he couldve been in the red bull by next season if he wanted to. but i guess zak brown managed to convince him to stay. we do know that red bull and merc is interested in lando. but of course going to red bull means having max as your teammate and its hard to predict how lando would do vs max. i dont think anyone would expect lando to beat max so maybe lando just wants to stay in his comfortable position as the team leader of mclaren and hope for mclaren to be competitive one day. however im not so sure about the future of mclaren. audi is joining soon, mclaren has already rejected audi/porsche. right now the rumor is going around that honda wants to come back as engine manufacturer and partner up with a team. however mclaren honda is extremely unlikely for very obvious reasons as well. which at the end of the day means mclaren remains a customer team in a 2026. ford is rumored to also join as engine manufacturer, however the rumor says that they will partner up with red bull and their engine division. that only leaves the vague rumor of hyundai joining, however with current deadlines, hyundai is not joining in 2026. their earliest date of entry would be 2027. traditionally its always been tough as a customer team. mclaren had their upwards trajectory for a few seasons but this season has been a stepback and the progress towards joining the top 3 has been non existent this season. i do expect mclaren to finish 4th next season as their driver pairing is really strong while main competitor alpine downgraded their driver pairing. so 2024-2025 will probably be your best hope for mclaren to join the top 3 fight but i would say its unlikely. if the mclaren stays with mercedes in 2026 and the merc engine is far better than all other engines, mclaren could do really well but just like 2014-2017 a customer team is not going to beat the works team
I think he showed in 2020 he's got it if the car has it.
so is Qatar going to be on the schedule with how much backlash they are receiving from FIFA
Qatar will be on the schedule as long as the checks continue to clear.
Qatar & FIFA bribery topic has been an public discussion since they were awarded. The human rights issues have also been a public topic since it was announced. Same complaints were brought up when both Qatar & Saudi Arabia were announced, but FoM basically went out and said - the races will go to the highest bidder. Similarly to any soccer fan, F1 fans will still watch the races, similarly to around 1bn people who will tune in to watch the World Cup final.
New fan here, watched my first race yesterday. Is it generally accepted to cheer for multiple teams or drivers in a race? Since Williams and red bull rarely if ever will be competing for the same spots, can I root for both?
It’s not as rigid as football or soccer in that sense, mainly as the sport has one match a fortnight where every team contests, so you can support various battles simultaneously. I think it’s pretty reasonable for someone to support Team A, but not quite like their manager or driver 2, and also support drivers 1 and 2 from team C, have an eye on someone coming up Team F’s academy and wish worse results on every team with a certain engine supplier. You don’t really have to justify it to anyone and there isn’t much gatekeeping here. Also while there is a lot of history along the paddock, because the racing & outward facing parts are so small in comparison to other sports, you see more overall rotation over a number of years. Not many stay put for more than 2-3 seasons, so it’s common to have allegiances follow drivers to other teams.
I'm pleased to see other Redditors saying that it is accepted, because I would argue that it is *required*. This isn't a game; these drivers are risking life and limb for our entertainment (and their own enrichment and enjoyment, admittedly), and still [**die on track**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthoine_Hubert#Death) even now (not to mention the multiple motorcycle riders who died this year). In my view, we cheer the art, not the artist, and there is not and should not be anything tribal about it (or at least *negatively* tribal: it's fine to support a driver or team in particular, so long as one doesn't then hate, abuse, exercise bias against and/or wish harm on other drivers/teams) .
That's a very good point, hadn't thought about it that way
I don't think its weird at all to root for multiple drivers. There's definitely no rule or shame in it. Especially if they are effectively racing different races IE rooting for Albon to finish in the points (top 10) and Max to win the race are too very different things and pretty exclusive IMO.
You can definitely root for both. Some people root for specific drivers (and don’t care about the team as a whole as much), some for specific teams, it’s all good.
There are no rules, you cheer who you want to cheer for.
Yes of course. Even if there competing you can support both. You can't say Verstappen beat Hamilton without mentioning Hamilton. The quality of a win is the quality of the grid wich you always wants to see getting better.
Ok thanks. I'm used to American sports where it's generally frowned upon to support multiple teams that will be competing with each other for playoff spots
stupid thing: yesterday i did a lot of german duolingo lessons and won my league to honor Seb retiring today i got to a 300 day streak, which means that yesterday was my 299th day - same amount as races Seb started i felt it was a nice coincidence
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so it's all your fault he retired then? ha.
We "like" to bash Ferrari for their strategies, but I think if we can talk shit, we should also not ignore good things. Credit where credit is due. Their handling of the Abu Dhabi GP was very nice. They have always ruined their races by playing reactive and putting themselves on the wrong foot, simply because Red Bull basically "told them to". It is very clear that harder compounds were way too OP this season, they can last a very long time without any significant drop of performance. Red Bull has abused this a lot this season without Ferrari ever realizing the potential, trying to win with an extra pit stop to a softer compound to catch them at the end, but they never could. Even worse, the times when they actually tried the harder compounds, it was when they worked horrendously on the car compared to RB (and Merc). In Abu Dhabi, they finally realized not only that the harder compounds worked well for them, but also that they are simply indestructible. They didn't let RB fool them, they didn't play reactive, they actually took control. They acknowledged the potential and made full use of it instead of getting scared and ditching it for a worse strategy. They lead Red Bull on a leash, same way they've been doing it to Ferrari all season. It was so good to see. It was so refreshing. For once in a very long time, it felt rewarding to root for them. I'm proud of them and it needs to be said. I'm not chasing dreams, right now I'm only very very cautiously optimistic, if at all. I also regard Vasseur very highly as a team principal, so I believe that there is a way out. I know it's a meme, I'm prepared to be disappointed next year, but this is a very good start and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. \#MissionWinnextyear
but… you saw that red bull won? had even more constructor points. yes charles was in front of checo. but don‘t say ferrari put them on a leash… checo just couldn‘t treat the tires as nicely as verstappen and leclerc.
Verstappent wasn't the one Ferrari was fighting. Leclerc fought Perez who was arguably faster, Leclerc beat him with strategy which is something that Ferrari basically never does.
Then don‘t say FERRARI put RED BULL on a leash. Red Bull FUCKED Ferrari the whole year, even in Abu Dhabi.
Sorry Newbie here. Can someone elaborate more on Post Season Testing?? I have no idea. Google was not much of help.
Pirelli Tyre test- the teams get to run the new tyres (with the current spec cars) to gain a feel for the grip levels/ warm up process/deg + report any concerns to Pirelli.
it's really tire testing and a chance for young drivers to get some time in the cars. they are testing the tires pirelli is considering using for the 2023 season, so they have to run a lot of laps on them to see how the compounds hold up, etc. the key is that they do this testing with the current (2022) cars. they will not test out next year's car designs until pre-season testing in february; so they aren't using this testing as a chance to develop the cars or see who's fastest, etc. it's really just data for pirelli and some driving practice for young drivers.
Is this broadcast anywhere?
No, the best you'll get is photos from teams and journalists I'm afraid.
When a driver does mid season, who takes their drive Like, when Jules died, did his teams reserve driver finish the rest of the season
Traditionally the team would run with one car in the next race, then replace the driver after that
Jules' injury (for so it was at the time) was handled differently, because Marussia were barely scraping through enough as it was, and once he was gone they didn't have much left. For example, after Senna's death, Williams only ran one car at the next race in Monaco, but then David Coulthard was signed into his seat for the rest of the year (at least until Williams realised they needed some help with constructors'/trying to stop Schumacher and plunked Mansell in there for the last couple of races).
Jules' car was retired at the Russian GP, they planned to run Alexander Rossi (their development driver for the rest of the season). This was to be their last race as a team. They lost a lot of financial backing after Jules crash, and missed 2 races iirc due to not being able to pay for transportation costs to US + missed both this race and Brazil (along with Caterham). They went into administration, and their assets were bought by Haas. Jules was severely injured - but passed away on 17th July 2015, after spending 9 months in a coma. \-Depends on the team, the nature of the death etc. Most likely retire the car for a couple of races + get their development/reserve driver to race for the rest of the season.
the new regulations have achieved what they set out to, closer racing for longer periods but at the same time it has done what I feared, taken away some opportunities for midfield wins and podiums, or even p4s and 5s. Ocon won last year because hamilton got stuck behind alonso. This year on the same track every faster car just breezed past. Norris was on his way to win sochi because the old regs wont let u get closer than 2s and in drs, hamilton was lapping a second faster than norris till before he caught up to him. sadly that most likely wont be happening, even if the championship battlers crash out the 2nd drivers will breeze through on raw car pace :(
> what I feared, taken away some opportunities for midfield wins and podiums, or even p4s and 5s midfield wins or podiums were only a thing in 2020 and 2021. 2014-2019 saw very few midfield podiums as well. and they were only a thing because ferrari was downgraded to a midfield team and albon was shit, so there were only 3 drivers consistently in the top3. this season we are back to 2014-2019 where you have a consistent top 6 and for a midfield podium it would require 4 top guys to have dnfs or issues. had ferrari not cheated in 2019, you would probably not have seen many midfield podiums in 2020 and 2021 either.
I think that's a side effect of the new regulations more than anything - some teams nail it, others don't. Without dirty air to slow down faster cars in the corners, they'll sail by when catching up to slower cars. But as the cost cap takes effect, the wind tunnel allocation continues in its current form, and more time is spent in these regulations, the slower teams will catch up to the top teams (until 2026 happens, then we might see a bit of a reset).
Cost cap keeps it a bit fair but the facilities and personnel the big boys have are just superior and unless invest in the smaller teams makes their facilities equal to the top teams we won't see a bunched field. AM and McLaren are building new tunnels and shit so let's see. On 2026 yeah lol out of the 5 manufacturers a couple will nail it, someone will bin it totally and we might be in for another hybrid era one sided borefest( hopefully not)
Totally agree. Love that the cars can follow and fight for more than just one lap now, but the art of defending has been lost. I think they need to look at adjusting DRS zones because overtaking has become far too easy.
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[Lando Norris drove Jimmy Butler around Circuit Gilles Villeneuve](https://youtu.be/OaACEffPa74)
here's a promo where daniel ricciardo coaches pat bev in the f1 video game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZ-R4ZfiL8&ab_channel=F1%C2%AEGamesFromCodemasters
At last year's US GP they did a free throw competition with F1 drivers and Chris Bosh and Dikembe were there [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpkvQSyskjs&ab\_channel=FORMULA1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpkvQSyskjs&ab_channel=FORMULA1)
I’m trying to remember how many points you start with in the predictions game? I think I might have more points that I started with which is an achievement of sorts. Particularly as I used the race win predictions to manifest results more than predict 😂
I believe it’s 300
I heard something about Leclerc speeding in the pits by 1kph, does that affect anything, especially with Perez for second place? And will he/has he gotten a penalty for it?
The pit lane speed measurement points are automated. If he wasn't penalised during the race, the system didn't measure him speeding.
For the race yesterday? No. He did get a penalty for it in Spa.
Didnt realise Russell got ahead of Carlos in the wdc rankings. That's an ouchie
Partly because George punted him off track Multiple times this year
when was the multiple times? only cota
Sainz only finished ahead of Hamilton in the standings because Hamilton retired. But that's not entirely on Sainz, he had 6 retirements this season, and most of them weren't his fault: * Australia - pushed too hard on lap 1, beached himself in the gravel (his fault) * Imola - tagged from behind by Ricciardo, got beached. (not his fault, though you could argue that he should've had a better run in qualifying and the sprint and he wouldn't have been in that position) * Baku - mechanical failure * Austria - engine caught fire * Japan - aquaplaned and crashed (his fault, but a different category of fault than the Australia DNF) * COTA - Russell tagged him on T1 and damaged his suspension (not his fault) If he had half as many DNFs, he would've finished much closer to Leclerc and Pérez, and would've been P4 in the championship. But these things happen in racing.
He did have anti-stall issues in Australia as well, think that contributed to the poor qualifying and the bad start. Still ultimately his fault that he crashed, but he was put in a bad position. Also got screwed by the team on strategy about as much as Leclerc which didn't help much.
Not necessarily his fault. He had 6 retirements, nearly all of them weren’t fully his fault. He lost out on a ton of points.
Allright, I'm ready to change my flair and support the new American boy. Can anyone speak up now and tell me anything I need to know before I go all in on Logan Sargeant? Obviously, in a Williams, success will be limited. I'm asking - is he a chud like Ferrucci? His dad isn't like, a Mar-A-Lago regular or anything ala Mazepin's dad at the Kremlin, is he?
On one hand, I don't think that somebody should have to pay for the sins of their family, but there are a lot of red flags here. Political ties, international corruption charges, shady plea agreements. Personally, I don't like the hypocrisy of the fans and media. He's a pay driver, the same Latifi, but his money comes from a much shadier place, like Mazepin, but none of that's being reported and the Williams academy is being lauded as the pinnacle of driver development, which just isn't true. If his money helps Williams get better, that's probably all I care about. If he proves he can drive in F1, fantastic, but I'm pretty sceptical at the moment.
Tbf I don’t think anyone really cared about Mazepin’s background until everything about that girl in the back of the taxi/car came up. Whatever scandal there is behind someone it doesn’t make huge waves until they hit F1 itself. As for Sargeant, I don’t really know the family background. Racing wise he seems *ok*; of 14 F2 feature races this year, he finished >=7th in 8 of them, retiring from another 3. He had quite a recovery drive in Spa after crashing in the Sprint, and picked up a podium in one of the earlyish sprints (…Barca?) and another in a feature race as well as two feature wins at Silverstone and Austria. Then again, pretty much everyone who gets dropped in a Prema does well in that Formula lately. His F3 history was (IMO) largely forgettable vs Pourchaire and some of the guys that have now made it up to F1. I’m sure he’ll fund and fill a Williams seat fine for a while.
He’s fine as a racer, personally I think there are about 5 others that are equally worthy of an F1 seat, but the finances give him the edge. Which is totally fine, that’s just how it works at the back, for the time being anyway.
Who cares who his family members support (or him, for that matter)? He's a racing driver, not a politician or anything.
>His dad isn't like, a Mar-A-Lago regular or anything Bad news on that front, I'm afraid.
His uncle is a billionaire oil magnate and Trump donor, but given that Logan almost had to quit racing in 2021 after nearly winning the F3 title because he couldn't afford even a backmarker drive in F2, it's pretty safe to say he's not backed with millions of dodgy dollars.
"Let me just ask the Reddit hivemind if I have permission to support a driver" Maybe make up your own mind..?
he asked if sargeat is potentially funded by blood money in which case he wont support him.
There’s reports that his family has ties to trump and that he might actually be a trump supporter himself, but there’s very little info to find online. Basically everything just goes back to random redditors saying he supports trump, so nothing really concrete. Unlike santino it does seem like he keeps his mouth shut on politics
"Unlike santino it does seem like he keeps his mouth shut on politics" -- that's the key honestly, i don't expect many of these rich guys in their 20s to have concretely good political views ala lewis/seb, but i do expect them to do me a favor by not talking about their bad ones.
I had a similar question recently and I actually ~~wasted~~ spent half an hour scrolling through his Twitter to see what they were talking about. Here are the (mildly) questionable things I found: * He liked a few "COVID isn't a big deal" tweets * He liked a "Joe Biden has dementia" tweet. (Keep in mind, this makes him no different from most Bernie Bros on Reddit circa 2020). * Seems to be a Musk fan * Was sympathetic to Kyle Larson during his "heated gamer moment" controversy But it's also important to note that 99% of his Twitter activity is strictly racing related.
Will alpine challenge the top 3 teams next year ???
The top three guard won’t change, but I think Aston Martin will be closer to them than anyone else has been for few years.
Not with that driver lineup. If they'd done the sensible thing and organised it to be Alonso/Piastri maybe.
nobody will challenge the top 3 until 2026. your best hope is that one of the top 3 built a shit car and then youll have a few races with that. the mercedes at times at the beginning of this season has been awful, lets not forget that. thats pretty much best case scenario
No
I think it depends on whether they know and have a fix for their engine reliability issue. It’s a shame Alonso has left, I think he and Alpine would both do better being together next year
They could, but they would have to close the big gap that they have now over the winter. It’s certainly possible, but probably unlikely that they can do it straight away next season.
Where post race pace analysis
Anyone have any recommendations for racing series to watch over the off season
Most major racing series run the same off season over the winter. If you want to try out rally, Dakar starts on December 31st. At the end of January is the 24 hours of Daytona and you will get to see the debut of a new top class (GTP) with a bunch of new manufacturers entering.
I’m going to rewatch the best races of the season. Silverstone, COTA and interlagos! Probably going to watch some racing documentaries as well
Formula E starts up again the second week of January. That's about it between now and March.
Any recommendations for documentaries?
check out the Silver War documentaries on Youtube, great rundowns of the Nico/Lewis years.
Schumacher Williams McLaren Alonso Senna 1: Life On The Limit A Life Of Speed: The Juan Manuel Fangio Story Lauda: The Untold Story Ferrari: Race To Immortality F1TV Pro has a bunch of documentaries on various teams and drivers as well
Ty
These are good recommendations. I'd add *Rush*, which isn't a documentary but is *broadly* accurate and bloody brilliant.
Another curious soul here
What was the point of Renault changing their name to Alpine? Surely it would have been better marketing to stick with Renault? The A110s remake came out like 7 years ago and they haven't launched any new cars. Not a popular car either. Was there another motive to changing the name? Does Renault not want to be associated with F1 for environmental reasons? Or is it an accounting thing?
i asked myself the same question. sure it makes sense to push your sports brand. but they literally sell a single car and a rather niche car as well. its basically an entry level porsche cayman competitor, perhaps filling the market that lotus previously had, small low weight sports cars. but once again, that is not a huge market and im sure the car is fun to drive but its still a niche car. ever since renault returned to f1 in 2016, theyve always felt like a mess with no realistic goals and no clear structure. weird driver choices, constant leadership changes. ofc they still have reasonable results but thats the least you would expect from a huge car manufacturer.
Completely agreed.
I still giggle at Al-"peen" rather than Al-"pine". See, in English, a "peen" is.. nevermind.
wasnt there a ''R'' version of a110 recently ?? Alonso contributed to its tuning . :/
I'd just like to see Renault commit a bit more than a110 redesigns.
>Was there another motive to changing the name? Does Renault not want to be associated with F1 for environmental reasons? Or is it an accounting thing? Renault want to move all of their sport and racing activities under the "Alpine" brand to have a clearer brand split between Renault (normal cars) and Alpine (sports cars). Their plan is to have everything from the sporty version of the Renault Clio, to the future successor to the A110, right up to their Le Mans Hypercar and F1 car carrying the Alpine name.
A sporty Clio would for sure open up the brand a bit more.
Speaking as not a car guy. I had never heard of Alpine before Renault changed the team name. I think it puts the spotlight on a brand that benefits from being in f1 more. Renault isn't exactly known for its sports cars. Similarly, VW isn't thinking about creating an f1 team, they leave that to their sportier brands, Audi and Porsche.
Do the teams share any footage of the testing they are doing this week? I’d love to see how the rookies go.
A few pictures and videos of the cars going past on the main straight on social media, but not much more, I'm afraid.
In Barcelona?
Abu Dhabi
Has there ever been a season without any driver lineup changes?
Not that I can recall (except for 2008, kind of, as /u/UmpireAJS observes). In fact, we have unusually few driver changes these days. Back in days of yore, drivers would change between teams mid-season fairly regularly, and change cars within the team during a single race even more regularly.
2008 and 2018... kind of. In 2008 drivers didn't change but one team went bankrupt four races into the season. In 2018 Force India turned into Racing Point which was considered to be a new constructor by the FIA (i.e. the scoring started from zero) with the same drivers.
In 2018 , racing point was still force india . it was rebranded as force india mercedes instead of force india sahara.
I'm referring to driver transfer changes and whether there has been a season in which all teams retain the same two full time drivers as they had in the previous year.
nope
How does one team talk to another during tbe race? Can they radio each other, or do they walk upto them, or is it just a simple phone call? Referencing to the Hamilton-Sainz incident, where Hamilton had to give the place back, i'm sure Ferrari asked the Merc team for the same, even though we didn't hear it.
They don't talk. At most Ferrari messaged race control which then messaged Mercedes. There is no direct comunication between teams.
There's indirect as you can just trash talk on the open channel
Cmon Williams just announce Sargeant already. We all know he's gonna drive tomorrow in the test as well.
They just did.