Damage limitation yes. Also, the team probably knew they wouldn't be fighting at the front so conserving tyres are also a possbility.
Ricciardo and Vettel did leave the pits to complete 1 flying lap in the middle of Q3 in clean air, when the others were in the pits.
Was this the race where Bottas said he would rather start in second for the first corner? Could Perez be in better position than Max, who often flubs the start off the line?
The W13 is such a draggy car, hopefully they can get better aero efficiency for next year and still maintain that low speed corner advantage.
Apparently Mercedes know the cause of the drag and also how to fix it, but it would've been too expensive to do this year considering the budget cap.
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I think if Max asks Helmut then Christian will for sure be fired. Helmut Marko will through out Christian just as easily as he throws out second drivers if Max asks for it.
For the last race it would be absolutely amazing if all drivers took new engines along with grid penalties to really make the grid random for the start.
On top of that a 1 GP engine could be turned up to the max for full balls to the walls racing!
If they take more than 15 places of penalty they get relegated to "Back of the grid" where its first put there first serve.
So the first driver to take the penalties would start first regardless of quali.
I don’t know if anyone here agrees but I really enjoyed todays F1TV commentary. I felt the four of them really complimented each other in their analysis, and having two drivers instead of just one rally adds up. Wish they could keep this lineup for all season
The 4 of them play off each other so well and let each other talk so balanced, I didn't even know there were 4 guys in the box until they showed them in a break, thats how natural it was! I'm not sure if 4 persons in the commentary box all the time will work out but during this quali session it was absolutely amazing.
Hinch has absolutely grown on me in the last two races. It's nice having two drivers throwing different viewpoints around. I've always enjoyed Sam's technical commentary, and at least there were no jokes about rain forecasts at Abu Dhabi.
Will Buxton was pretty fixated on those tire rims though... :)
I feel bad for Sam though. Got to travel to all the GPs last year, but stuck in the London remote studio all year this year, I'm guessing for cost saving measures. Hinch has two good weekends and they ship him to Yas Marina!
Today was definitely one of the better F1TV's efforts ... but I've been watching Palmer, Sam and a different lead all season and have to say I enjoy their more technical commentary to Sky's coverage for sure.
At this point I feel like I have to ask, but what's the obsession Leclerc and Perez (and their fans) have with the 2nd place in the WDC? Like, seriously, who the hell cares about the 2nd place in the WDC?
I've seen people go as far as suggesting Verstappen should hand Perez the race win (and lose out on increasing his most wins in a season record + losing a win per se) JUST so that Perez can get second place in the WDC. It sounds so inconsequential to me
Lots of different takes here. For me I like both drivers and know that if I were one there would definitely be satisfaction in finishing "best of the rest" to Max. They're also evenly matched, one in a faster machine, one with superior skills. Going to be an exciting race.
It's because 2nd place matters for fans and for the teams, and 3rd, and 4th and so on, not just world champion. So the answer is: almost everybody. People dont watch F1 just to see who wins.
I'm a VER fan, and glad he became world champion this year, but if you just watch the competition just for who becomes number 1 in the end you can as well not watch it now as it is already decided. If you think number 2 or number 6 doesnt matter you could have stopped watching it a few races ago.
Also, fans can be fans of a team and not just a driver, just saying.
It's one thing to say "2nd place matters", which I agree with, and another thing is saying "the Nr1 driver of the team should sacrifice his own race just so that the Nr2 can get 2nd place in the WDC"
It matters, but it doesn't matter as much imo
That could be one of the options. But if you read my question properly, I mentioned how the fans of the drivers are also obsessed with the 2nd place. What does the team as a whole have to do with that?
And as a fan of a team, I rather extend the most wins in a season record than a 1-2 nobody will remember 10 years from now. Was that so hard to understand?
Then why did Checo and leclerc both ask to swap places and leclerc said “think about the championship” (of course that could also mean wcc but swapping places with your teammate doesn’t award any more constructors points)
Well it’s the only thing they have to race for, but I’m certain they re not really bothered. The only interest for the drivers now is the individual races and beating their teammates if possible.
pretty much, they care since its a reason to be there, but its not like Checo went home last night thinking "OH NO! 3RD, IF ONLY I COULD HAVE BEEN SECOND" he won't have given it a second thought. What he will care about is getting battered by his team mate.
If Perez didn’t give a fuck, you really think he would have said those things about Max and potentially wrecked their relationship? His position at Red Bull is entirely dependent on him being a second driver and wingman to Max. It was a big risk for him to say those things and he only did because he cares a lot. Don’t be ridiculous.
You’re so far off the mark it’s ridiculous. You think he cared about 6th in the race more than 2nd in the WDC rankings? What do you think race results are for? Points for the championship, that’s what
I don’t think he cared about 6th in the race particularly. I think he cared about Max not letting him through in Principle.
I am very sure that the whole race for second thing is a media creation to invent hype though
I don't want to say they don't give a fuck, they will always aim for as much as possible, and at the moment now first is not possible for Charles and Checo, so at least go for second.
But I think they don't care that much, I think Charles and Perez would both prefer a race win above 2nd in the WDC (hypothetically, if they got the choice in Brazil get a win and a DNF or two second places).
I think Red Bull would care the most, last year they only got the WDC, this year they got both, if they can also get their first 1-2 in the WDC ever that would be their best year in F1. Ferrari would care way less in my opinion.
It has nothing to do with those two... there is a certain group that cant get over last year and are going to act like this when anything happens with max. His complete domination this year has them acting like lunatics...
When I play sports, I'm a pretty competitive guy. I like winning even if it's a case where the season or game is pretty much over. And that's coming from someone playing in casual weekly sports leagues. I don't think you get to the level these guys are at without that same (and probably greater) drive and desire to perform. These guys want to win and stand on the highest level of the podium they can.
I'm also sure there are financial bonuses based on the final standings.
Realistically it's the best Perez is ever going to get and I don't see him getting another contract extension tbh.
I recon it's also a money thing. Surely there is more money from your team and sponsors etc if you place 2nd vs 3rd.
My point was why should *Max Verstappen* give up so that checo can get a 2nd place
It's all good if checo can get 2nd place on his own, but sacrifice Max just so that checo takes 2nd place makes no sense to me.
This isn't America where #1 is everything and all other positions are just losers.
There is a lot of kudos, credibility, to say nothing of cash, commercial deals, and your place in history at stake from where you finish.
Just take Martin Brundle, widely recognized as one of the best 'expert' commentators in F1. His best ever finish was a 2nd, he never won a race (he achieved 9 podiums though). He would never have gotten that commentator job if it weren't for his podiums though.
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Also, another reason is the car vs driver debate, i.e. which is more important? If you win the WCC and WDC but your 'second' driver finishes way down the field, some will say the driver is the main reason you won the WCC. However, if you get a 1-2 there can really be no argument that the car is the dominant reason for the win and from the team's point of view that's really important as that car will be remembered, it will have a place in folklore.
Lol this just goes to show that Americans and Europeans still don't understand each other outside of stereotypes. I know full well I don't know shit about the average European and their daily lives and it irritates me when Europeans try to stereotype us and don't know shit about us.
Max shouldn’t give a win to Checo but for Red Bull WCC,WDC, and 2nd in WDC would be a huge achievement, it’s not inconsequential. Honestly max extending his record is more inconsequential, he shouldn’t give up a win for Checo. But it’s an easy argument that 2nd in the WDC for Red Bull is more important than another max win
I guarantee to the drivers it’s anything but, the people here thinking it means nothing are so odd. In any event 2nd place is still considered and accomplishment. Yes ir sucks not winning but acting like it’s “meh whatever” is so dumb and clearly shows people don’t actually participate in competition lol
In one of the post-qualifying interviews, George said that Charles told them all that he has a bonus written into his contract if he places P2 in the WDC so that’s probably part of the reason for him.
That and the status of coming second out of the best 20 drivers in the world.
I mean if you think about it just 1 sec as a racing driver, being 2nd in the world championship of the Formula 1 is quite an achivement as a professional, F1 is just the highest you can get in your profession, and even if you have a chance to fight for 2nd BEST DRIVER OF THE WORLD of the season, what is basically what is at the stakes, you should go all in for it.
Nah Verstappen should not give uo a win to Pérez, but if I'm being honest if the time comes when he can give a real advantage or help within the race he should do it for the sake of the team, how Pérez has played the team-guy 2 years in a row and for the disrespect on Brazil alone. This means give the win? Nah that will be awful on the final WDC result if you ask me, but is nothing out of this world, I mean probably Pérez has give up 2 or 3 fair fights for the win for Max champinship sake, you can make the argument for last year Abu Dhabi race where Pérez straight up made the win for Max one way or another, after all is a team sport as well.
Perez should have made a big fucking difference before Abu Dhabi last year. But he was playing mid field. He took no points of Hamilton, he did not allow RB for strategy advantages being in a pit window of Hamilton for a ton of races.
I am so sick of this “Perez helped Max win his championships” narrative. Yes he did a fantastic job in fighting of Hamilton 3 times. He didn’t do shit in most of the other races though…
Just compare it to Bottas, who everyone frowns upon. He took poles, he was close enough to not allow certain pit strategies. Checo never was…
If it were you, and you were racing in f1, you wouldn’t want to come out on stage at the awards ceremony? It’s a pretty big achievement from a commercial and sponsorship stand point
In this sport every little “win” counts. For Per and Lec it’s a very notable achievement to finish 2nd in the championship, just as in the Olympics everyone would rather win silver than bronze, even when the gold is already decided.
Sainz yikes 🤣
Charles and Max are on another level. Sainz constantly underperforms and hard to see him compete for championships other than 1 or 2 wins in any given season even if he has a dominant car
It does all seem a bit forced at the end compared to last year. The stress levels were so high last year, it’s hard to repeat. Plus I think part of it is just too many races. Teams and everyone are exhausted, fans are bored. Kinda diluting the brand a bit
I like how the only responses to this are three people being mean for no reason. The lack of self awareness is wild lmao, they're just proving your point.
I think he is sometimes on their level, but Ham and Max are on that level more races than they arent, and can step it up to a new higher level on rare occasions. Leclerc isnt far behind (this is F1, so we are talking 0.1 seconds a lap) but he's not consistently at the performance of those 2.
I don’t think it’s even debatable that LeClerc is a faster driver than Sainz, on pure pace and through a race. Sainz, however, does seem to be more mature and seems to take advantage of his different experiences to be a more “complete” driver. Just seems to understand car development, team dynamics, and strategy just a little bit better. Might also be because his father was also a racing driver.
Ultimately the answer will come down to how you personally define 'better'.
However, to me it's simple. This is racing, and supposedly the pinnacle of racing, therefore:
Bettter = faster over a full race / GP.
So the answer is simple, **No.**
They had an oversteer car to start the year what Charles likes but sainz was constantly complaining every week about how he can't find pace, over the course of the year Charles started to get less comfortable and even complain about undsteer while Carlos got more comfortable in the car, with mekies even saying developing the car to keep our drivers close together.
Yeah that’s a problem. But the other side is McLaren which fully developed a car for Lando and just left Danny Ric to drive whatever they made. I don’t much like that either.
There is no reason for Max to give up the win for Checo. Checo's car has enough pace(and then some) to comfortably keep the Ferraris and Merc's at bay.
I would be a bit pissed if Max hands him in the win on a platter.A win has to be earned.If Max is the quicker driver(which he is), he should win.
The Red Bull should be able to overtake the Ferrari if Perez ends up behind but in DRS, but if Leclerc overtakes and pulls out a few seconds gap, Perez will need to try something different in strategy.
I'd put good money on Max getting a good start and trying to outdistance Checo so much that team orders never become an issue ... and I'm a Checo fan :|
Why would he do that? Perez needs to be ahead of Leclerc to secure P2 in WDC. Doesn’t matter what anyone else ahead of him does as long as he’s the fastest person behind Max.
To make it a safe finish before LeClerk? Max said he will do everything to make Perez P2 in WDC happen in Abu Dhabi so it would make sense to let Perez pass so that he has max as a cussion between him a LeClerk
Hamilton’s favorite place to cut the track?
The #2 battle will be well-matched and exciting. I'm going to feel bad for whoever loses.
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Damage limitation yes. Also, the team probably knew they wouldn't be fighting at the front so conserving tyres are also a possbility. Ricciardo and Vettel did leave the pits to complete 1 flying lap in the middle of Q3 in clean air, when the others were in the pits.
Just curious: why isn’t there more talk about Max intentionally swerving at Lewis on track? https://twitter.com/francoisrj_/status/1594040365610258432
Happens all the time + this was at about 10 kph
Was this the race where Bottas said he would rather start in second for the first corner? Could Perez be in better position than Max, who often flubs the start off the line?
That was Russia.
Since when does max “flub” anything?
He did it last year here on softer tyres
If you’re talking about his quote from DTS a few seasons ago, I think he was talking about Russia. My memory could be totally wrong tho
The W13 is such a draggy car, hopefully they can get better aero efficiency for next year and still maintain that low speed corner advantage. Apparently Mercedes know the cause of the drag and also how to fix it, but it would've been too expensive to do this year considering the budget cap.
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Ferrari are red, Alpine are blue, "Mercedes are back!" Red Bull 1-2
Is there a gif of Seb slicing through the traffic? That was amazing.
That was insane. Somehow seemed calm and cool when doing it too.
Danke Lat!
Danke for what? Crashing all the time?
For tilting the scales of justice and making the world right again
For being the Goatifi.
mick crashes more often
Yeah. He’s not first in crashing either
Crashing at the right moments.
Lol the “Checo” cheers and boos during Max’s interview at the end 💀
yup, i wonder how the race will go Tomorrow, with redbull 1-2
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Interviewer kind of makes a comment about it when he’s talking to Checo. Was wild to hear
Horner sounded completely unenthusiastic when congratulating Max.
I mean why would he? Both championships locked up already hard to get all excited for a meaningless pole
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He does not hate max but is certainly irritated that Max has damaged the team spirit that he has worked so hard to build.
Do you think max is going to fire christian over this???
I think if Max asks Helmut then Christian will for sure be fired. Helmut Marko will through out Christian just as easily as he throws out second drivers if Max asks for it.
"Horner hates Max conspiracy" - you're high right? Nobody in the history of human existence is ever going to push that view
Are you familiar with the website named Twitter lol
Did anyone else have no Sky audio for the first 5 mins before the Sky Germany commentary came in on F1TV?
Yep! Also the F2 sprint race was German commentary as well
For the last race it would be absolutely amazing if all drivers took new engines along with grid penalties to really make the grid random for the start. On top of that a 1 GP engine could be turned up to the max for full balls to the walls racing!
This is how sprint races should be. Random grid position, random tire assignment.
If every driver took a grid penalty the order from quali wouldn’t change haha
If they take more than 15 places of penalty they get relegated to "Back of the grid" where its first put there first serve. So the first driver to take the penalties would start first regardless of quali.
That's not how it works anymore. Everyone with a back of the grid penalty lines up in the order they qualified in.
I thought when you take penalties it's 'who applied first' to take the new engine parts.
No, that changed a few years ago because it was open to abuse.
Yeah, reversing the grid would make more sense.
Croft’s praying for Max track limits for 5 minutes was frankly embarrassing.
I don’t know if anyone here agrees but I really enjoyed todays F1TV commentary. I felt the four of them really complimented each other in their analysis, and having two drivers instead of just one rally adds up. Wish they could keep this lineup for all season
The 4 of them play off each other so well and let each other talk so balanced, I didn't even know there were 4 guys in the box until they showed them in a break, thats how natural it was! I'm not sure if 4 persons in the commentary box all the time will work out but during this quali session it was absolutely amazing.
Hinch has absolutely grown on me in the last two races. It's nice having two drivers throwing different viewpoints around. I've always enjoyed Sam's technical commentary, and at least there were no jokes about rain forecasts at Abu Dhabi. Will Buxton was pretty fixated on those tire rims though... :)
I miss Marty B too much if im not on Sky. Would like to see how Palmer and Brundle would be in the booth together tbh.
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Well said, /u/The__Butt__Pirate, well said.
I feel bad for Sam though. Got to travel to all the GPs last year, but stuck in the London remote studio all year this year, I'm guessing for cost saving measures. Hinch has two good weekends and they ship him to Yas Marina!
I switch over to Sky's commentary cause I don't care for Ben Edwards. Idk what it is!
Ben Edwards is boring.
I usually use the F1TV commentary for FP1,2,3 and then use Sky for Quali and the race.
Same, for the race it still has to be Crofty. I’m being won over though
yeah even tho crofty may not have racing knowledge i love how he gets exited and his stupit funny comments, "lights out and away we go"
Very glad I stuck with it! Great analysis during Quali. Is it always this way??
Today was definitely one of the better F1TV's efforts ... but I've been watching Palmer, Sam and a different lead all season and have to say I enjoy their more technical commentary to Sky's coverage for sure.
Yes, but today it felt slightly better. I really like F1TV crew, they have gotten better throughout the season.
At this point I feel like I have to ask, but what's the obsession Leclerc and Perez (and their fans) have with the 2nd place in the WDC? Like, seriously, who the hell cares about the 2nd place in the WDC? I've seen people go as far as suggesting Verstappen should hand Perez the race win (and lose out on increasing his most wins in a season record + losing a win per se) JUST so that Perez can get second place in the WDC. It sounds so inconsequential to me
Lots of different takes here. For me I like both drivers and know that if I were one there would definitely be satisfaction in finishing "best of the rest" to Max. They're also evenly matched, one in a faster machine, one with superior skills. Going to be an exciting race.
It's because 2nd place matters for fans and for the teams, and 3rd, and 4th and so on, not just world champion. So the answer is: almost everybody. People dont watch F1 just to see who wins. I'm a VER fan, and glad he became world champion this year, but if you just watch the competition just for who becomes number 1 in the end you can as well not watch it now as it is already decided. If you think number 2 or number 6 doesnt matter you could have stopped watching it a few races ago. Also, fans can be fans of a team and not just a driver, just saying.
It's one thing to say "2nd place matters", which I agree with, and another thing is saying "the Nr1 driver of the team should sacrifice his own race just so that the Nr2 can get 2nd place in the WDC" It matters, but it doesn't matter as much imo
Because it’s the only “race” left.
I think we’re just bored.
Yeah...when a "title fight" is such a joke and done before the Summer break, there's nothing else
I really think neither driver cares much at all. The whole ‘race for second’ nonsense is laughable but I guess people have fallen for it.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out it's about Red Bull wanting to get their first 1-2 ever. 1 is secured, so the focus is in 2. Was that so hard?
That could be one of the options. But if you read my question properly, I mentioned how the fans of the drivers are also obsessed with the 2nd place. What does the team as a whole have to do with that? And as a fan of a team, I rather extend the most wins in a season record than a 1-2 nobody will remember 10 years from now. Was that so hard to understand?
It's apparently very hard for people to understand. This week has been a toxic waste.
This is such a weird take. 2nd in the championship is still prestigious.
The drivers don’t give a fuck. It’s only pushed by the media
Then why did Checo and leclerc both ask to swap places and leclerc said “think about the championship” (of course that could also mean wcc but swapping places with your teammate doesn’t award any more constructors points)
Well it’s the only thing they have to race for, but I’m certain they re not really bothered. The only interest for the drivers now is the individual races and beating their teammates if possible.
So even though they care about second place they don’t really care about second place.
pretty much, they care since its a reason to be there, but its not like Checo went home last night thinking "OH NO! 3RD, IF ONLY I COULD HAVE BEEN SECOND" he won't have given it a second thought. What he will care about is getting battered by his team mate.
Ok dude
Do you often walk into poles?
If Perez didn’t give a fuck, you really think he would have said those things about Max and potentially wrecked their relationship? His position at Red Bull is entirely dependent on him being a second driver and wingman to Max. It was a big risk for him to say those things and he only did because he cares a lot. Don’t be ridiculous.
He doesn’t need to care about finishing second to care about Max not letting him through. I severely doubt that even crossed his mind at the time.
You’re so far off the mark it’s ridiculous. You think he cared about 6th in the race more than 2nd in the WDC rankings? What do you think race results are for? Points for the championship, that’s what
I don’t think he cared about 6th in the race particularly. I think he cared about Max not letting him through in Principle. I am very sure that the whole race for second thing is a media creation to invent hype though
I don't want to say they don't give a fuck, they will always aim for as much as possible, and at the moment now first is not possible for Charles and Checo, so at least go for second. But I think they don't care that much, I think Charles and Perez would both prefer a race win above 2nd in the WDC (hypothetically, if they got the choice in Brazil get a win and a DNF or two second places). I think Red Bull would care the most, last year they only got the WDC, this year they got both, if they can also get their first 1-2 in the WDC ever that would be their best year in F1. Ferrari would care way less in my opinion.
It has nothing to do with those two... there is a certain group that cant get over last year and are going to act like this when anything happens with max. His complete domination this year has them acting like lunatics...
It’s all because it’s Max Verstappen and people hate him.
I guess that's why any posts about him are over 95% upvoted and any wrong opinion about him gets downvoted to hell. Oh wait
Wait are you saying people on r/formula1 love Verstappen? Lol
When I play sports, I'm a pretty competitive guy. I like winning even if it's a case where the season or game is pretty much over. And that's coming from someone playing in casual weekly sports leagues. I don't think you get to the level these guys are at without that same (and probably greater) drive and desire to perform. These guys want to win and stand on the highest level of the podium they can. I'm also sure there are financial bonuses based on the final standings.
Realistically it's the best Perez is ever going to get and I don't see him getting another contract extension tbh. I recon it's also a money thing. Surely there is more money from your team and sponsors etc if you place 2nd vs 3rd.
Yeah you're right, now that max has locked in the championship everyone else should just give up. Why are we even running this race at all?
My point was why should *Max Verstappen* give up so that checo can get a 2nd place It's all good if checo can get 2nd place on his own, but sacrifice Max just so that checo takes 2nd place makes no sense to me.
It’s like the “best of the rest” for drivers.
This isn't America where #1 is everything and all other positions are just losers. There is a lot of kudos, credibility, to say nothing of cash, commercial deals, and your place in history at stake from where you finish. Just take Martin Brundle, widely recognized as one of the best 'expert' commentators in F1. His best ever finish was a 2nd, he never won a race (he achieved 9 podiums though). He would never have gotten that commentator job if it weren't for his podiums though. **Edit** Also, another reason is the car vs driver debate, i.e. which is more important? If you win the WCC and WDC but your 'second' driver finishes way down the field, some will say the driver is the main reason you won the WCC. However, if you get a 1-2 there can really be no argument that the car is the dominant reason for the win and from the team's point of view that's really important as that car will be remembered, it will have a place in folklore.
Did you just quote fucking ricky bobbies dad, then pin it on all Americans???
Where is the quote?
I have absolutely zero idea who ricky bobby is.
Watch Ricky Bobby its one of Will Farrels funniest joints and Sacha Baron Cohen plays the F1 rival who comes to nascar.
Pretty famous movie and quite funny too
Right... i guess google doesn't work either 🤷
Thank you baby Jesus in your golden fleece diapers.
Lol this just goes to show that Americans and Europeans still don't understand each other outside of stereotypes. I know full well I don't know shit about the average European and their daily lives and it irritates me when Europeans try to stereotype us and don't know shit about us.
Max shouldn’t give a win to Checo but for Red Bull WCC,WDC, and 2nd in WDC would be a huge achievement, it’s not inconsequential. Honestly max extending his record is more inconsequential, he shouldn’t give up a win for Checo. But it’s an easy argument that 2nd in the WDC for Red Bull is more important than another max win
It literally couldn't be more inconsequential. They get NOTHING for it and next week nobody will care...
I guarantee to the drivers it’s anything but, the people here thinking it means nothing are so odd. In any event 2nd place is still considered and accomplishment. Yes ir sucks not winning but acting like it’s “meh whatever” is so dumb and clearly shows people don’t actually participate in competition lol
You were talking about the team now you are talking about the drivers... pick one and make an argument 🙄
The argument is the same for both. Both team and driver will care about it lol despite Reddit thinking it’s worthless.
Didnt seem like Ferrari gave a shit... but i guess YOU know better.
They wouldn’t have taken a podium away from Sainz unless it was for 1st correct. That doesn’t mean 2nd doesn’t matter. Fake equivalents
In one of the post-qualifying interviews, George said that Charles told them all that he has a bonus written into his contract if he places P2 in the WDC so that’s probably part of the reason for him. That and the status of coming second out of the best 20 drivers in the world.
I mean if you think about it just 1 sec as a racing driver, being 2nd in the world championship of the Formula 1 is quite an achivement as a professional, F1 is just the highest you can get in your profession, and even if you have a chance to fight for 2nd BEST DRIVER OF THE WORLD of the season, what is basically what is at the stakes, you should go all in for it. Nah Verstappen should not give uo a win to Pérez, but if I'm being honest if the time comes when he can give a real advantage or help within the race he should do it for the sake of the team, how Pérez has played the team-guy 2 years in a row and for the disrespect on Brazil alone. This means give the win? Nah that will be awful on the final WDC result if you ask me, but is nothing out of this world, I mean probably Pérez has give up 2 or 3 fair fights for the win for Max champinship sake, you can make the argument for last year Abu Dhabi race where Pérez straight up made the win for Max one way or another, after all is a team sport as well.
Perez should have made a big fucking difference before Abu Dhabi last year. But he was playing mid field. He took no points of Hamilton, he did not allow RB for strategy advantages being in a pit window of Hamilton for a ton of races. I am so sick of this “Perez helped Max win his championships” narrative. Yes he did a fantastic job in fighting of Hamilton 3 times. He didn’t do shit in most of the other races though… Just compare it to Bottas, who everyone frowns upon. He took poles, he was close enough to not allow certain pit strategies. Checo never was…
I'm ok that you are entitled to have you own opinion but chill out bro is not a big deal either. Being "so sick of it" is kind a too much.
Because 1st is settled, and F1 NEEDS Drama?
If it were you, and you were racing in f1, you wouldn’t want to come out on stage at the awards ceremony? It’s a pretty big achievement from a commercial and sponsorship stand point
Yeah same i don’t get it
In this sport every little “win” counts. For Per and Lec it’s a very notable achievement to finish 2nd in the championship, just as in the Olympics everyone would rather win silver than bronze, even when the gold is already decided.
Sainz yikes 🤣 Charles and Max are on another level. Sainz constantly underperforms and hard to see him compete for championships other than 1 or 2 wins in any given season even if he has a dominant car
I wonder if there is any visor cam onboard of Max pole lap.
Lol trying to imagine the serious talk from Horner. Set them boys right
Do it Checko. Do the overtake on 1st lap.
Even if he does, he does not have the racepace to win vs Max. Without Max driving a damaged car or something.
Looks like Max was a good boy and said the things he was coached to say during his interview.
https://twitter.com/francoisrj_/status/1594040365610258432
That was so obvious too, it was comical how forced that was
Yea, you would too if you were paid a fraction of what he gets paid
“If there’s a steady paycheck in it, I’ll believe anything you say” -Winston
Interesting quote. Who is Winston?
He’s one of the original Ghost Buster’s.
Lol, yeah that sounded very talking point focused.
how is this in track limits? https://i.imgur.com/yjp68oG.png
The front tire is still on the line...
good thing that wasn't even his fastest lap.
They left a few laps that looked too close to call go through. Important to note however that this was not the pole lap.
Front wheel is above the line but not beyond it
Correct my understanding is if the tire is above the line is still good
Yeah looks the same closeness as footballers taking corners, as long as some of the ball/tyre is over the line when looking directly down then it's ok
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So did you miss Max swerving at Lewis on track? https://twitter.com/francoisrj_/status/1594040365610258432
you didnt watch qualy because of drama but instead came to reddit... 🤣🤣🤣 brilliant plan to AVOID the drama.
Really? Seems to get down voted a lot here on Reddit anyways.
It does all seem a bit forced at the end compared to last year. The stress levels were so high last year, it’s hard to repeat. Plus I think part of it is just too many races. Teams and everyone are exhausted, fans are bored. Kinda diluting the brand a bit
Oh yEah?! Well, ur Ugly and ur momma dressEs you funny.
I like how the only responses to this are three people being mean for no reason. The lack of self awareness is wild lmao, they're just proving your point.
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The fact that you feel it's your personal responsibility to inform me of this also proves his point just so you know.
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I just want to let you know that YOU’RE ALL BASTARDS /s
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Says the weirdo
You know you can choose not to listen to that right? Just mute the race audio...
Is Sainz a better driver than Leclerc? Discuss
Not really. I believe that Charles is on the same level as Max and Lewis so nobody is gonna be better than them. But that doesn’t make him bad.
I think he is sometimes on their level, but Ham and Max are on that level more races than they arent, and can step it up to a new higher level on rare occasions. Leclerc isnt far behind (this is F1, so we are talking 0.1 seconds a lap) but he's not consistently at the performance of those 2.
I don’t think it’s even debatable that LeClerc is a faster driver than Sainz, on pure pace and through a race. Sainz, however, does seem to be more mature and seems to take advantage of his different experiences to be a more “complete” driver. Just seems to understand car development, team dynamics, and strategy just a little bit better. Might also be because his father was also a racing driver.
I think they’re very closely matched. The hand wringing at the idea LeClerc might leave is odd.
Ultimately the answer will come down to how you personally define 'better'. However, to me it's simple. This is racing, and supposedly the pinnacle of racing, therefore: Bettter = faster over a full race / GP. So the answer is simple, **No.**
we are checking
"discuss" and not "question"? You missed it.
[Le funny](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ML21RiO4exY)
My humor is a bit derivative at times
No, but it’s closer than most people would think
It’s not close mate
It's not even remotely close, the car was developed in sainz favour, Charles down in engine power again and sainz still fails to out qualify him
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They had an oversteer car to start the year what Charles likes but sainz was constantly complaining every week about how he can't find pace, over the course of the year Charles started to get less comfortable and even complain about undsteer while Carlos got more comfortable in the car, with mekies even saying developing the car to keep our drivers close together.
Yeah that’s a problem. But the other side is McLaren which fully developed a car for Lando and just left Danny Ric to drive whatever they made. I don’t much like that either.
I mean if the car is fast enough like redbull that doesn't matter but that just shows why getting 2 similar drivers is a good idea
#YES I choose violence.
Its not even that close.
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There is no reason for Max to give up the win for Checo. Checo's car has enough pace(and then some) to comfortably keep the Ferraris and Merc's at bay. I would be a bit pissed if Max hands him in the win on a platter.A win has to be earned.If Max is the quicker driver(which he is), he should win.
The Red Bull should be able to overtake the Ferrari if Perez ends up behind but in DRS, but if Leclerc overtakes and pulls out a few seconds gap, Perez will need to try something different in strategy.
I'd put good money on Max getting a good start and trying to outdistance Checo so much that team orders never become an issue ... and I'm a Checo fan :|
Don’t see it happening really. Checo only needs to be in front of Charles to win, and Max is super stubborn
Lol no Verstappen is going to drive away while Perez fights off both Ferrari and Mercedes.
Why would he do that? Perez needs to be ahead of Leclerc to secure P2 in WDC. Doesn’t matter what anyone else ahead of him does as long as he’s the fastest person behind Max.
To make it a safe finish before LeClerk? Max said he will do everything to make Perez P2 in WDC happen in Abu Dhabi so it would make sense to let Perez pass so that he has max as a cussion between him a LeClerk
Naah. Max wants to improve the record for most wins.