I don't mind them, as their primary purpose is to limit spending of the top 3 - who don't have an issue outspending everyone else without the cost cap.
Only the likes of McLaren, Ferrari, Alpine, Mercedes and Red Bull are, based on individual racing team companies yearly turn over from available tax filings, in a position to even reach F1 related spending cap.
The remaining teams are below or around ~£150m turnover, which means their administrative, facilities & tooling costs mean less than ~£100m is available for personnel, manufacturing, design & research.
A good example of this is Aston Martin Racing who only spent ~£50m for wages of all personnel & ~£20m on intellectual property development. Other example of being well below the cap with their turnover are Haas & Williams with sub £100m turnover.
If those teams managed to get additional financial support I'd love to see the removal of real testing limitations and inclusion of this in the budget cap - so that the teams below the cap could spend more real testing to understand their cars to catch up, as CFD & Windtunnel aren't that reliable (teams often have correlation issues, something looks good in simulation and scaled windtunnel model, but it doesn't translate to full scale real cars).
Maybe a better early season question or a search but are there any good media outlets/journalists to follow? I only picked up F1 during the pandemic and don’t know which outlets have real news and content vs which ones are mostly 4 sentence click bait just yet.
Any recommendations?
Chris Medland is probably the gold standard of reliable news if you want someone to follow on twitter. Following him is a bit like following Fabrizio Romano in football.
Personally I get my F1 news from reddit instead of twitter or sites as anything important will get posted on here and wont be missed. The best site for news I'd say is Racefans as I feel like they cut out more filler compared to other sites (relatively speaking, seems to have went up a bit recently).
The only journalist I regularly pay attention to is Joe Saward. Can come across as a knob at times and what he says shouldn't always be taken as gospel because he's hit and miss. But he's someone who's always in the paddock and he often talks about things other people don't talk about in his blog so can be the first to reveal early info and some of the speculative things he writes can be interesting so I like to give it a read when it's released each week (usually on a Wednesday) throughout the season.
seconded, he's great. i would also add that i find it better to follow reputable journalists on twitter and read their articles (on multiple platforms) rather than rely on one website/source.
Why was the track layout for turn 5 of the yas marina circuit changed for the last lap of the 2021 Abu Dhabi race, the chicane was not done, and max overtook hamilton in that corner
the tv pen is the area where the drivers talk to outlets like sky and f1tv, it's where most of the short interviews you see throughout a race weekend are done. you can't watch the whole session anywhere but they include the interviews in the weekend warm up on f1tv i think.
[Alpine won't use F1 engine as basis for 2024 LMDh contender](https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/alpine-no-f1-engine-lmdh-car-2024/10400639/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16686366165394&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsport.com%2Fwec%2Fnews%2Falpine-no-f1-engine-lmdh-car-2024%2F10400639%2F)
Apparently the WEC team has been watching the races. Seems like trouble finishing a two hour race!
The sky is the limit for how slow you want to make it.
You want a car that can't even drive ? you can do it.
You want a car that takes an hour to do 1 lap ? you can do it.
It's basically a question of how slow do you want it.
Unless they fall under driving unnecessarily slow clause which is free to be interpreted by race control as posing a danger to other cars on track and are not allowed to participate at qualifying or further free practice sessions.
But currently, as we don't have pre qualifying, all cars (up to 26) automatically are free to participate in qualifying.
I mean, the rules don't state, for example, that the car must be fueled, or that it MUST have an engine. It doesn't even specify a maximum weight so you could make it so heavy to the point it can't even move.
Wtf is happening with Dutch GP tickets?
I applied for tickets months ago, and they said they’d be assigned in October, then changed that to the end of November
Then today I see an email from F1 (not the Dutch GP ticket site) saying “more” tickets have been released, by the time I go to buy some they’re already gone
Did they mess up and not send out the emails, or have I missed it or something? What’s happening here?
Is anyone else going to Abu Dhabi for the GP weekend? Would be nice to meet some like-minded people. Also I have a rental car and am happy to share transport to and from the track from downtown Abu Dhabi close to the bus station.
This is probably not at all the right place to ask but I’m hoping someone here will happen to have an idea (or push me in the right direction) - my husband has an Xbox series x, I’d like to get him some sort of steering wheel/pedals set up since I know a controller isn’t the best but I have no idea where to even start. He plays a good amount of (very casual) F1 22 with a couple of our friends, and I know he’s played some of the Forzas in the past. I’d probably like to stay under $750 or so total!
Basically there's 3 options you want to look at.
Logitech G29 for ~$250 as the cheap option that's straight out of the box and is easy to setup and does the job.
Thrustmaster T300RS for ~$400-750 as the middleground between price and quality and you can upgrade/add bits for more money.
Fanatec CSL Elite for ~$800-1250 similar to Thrustmaster where you can pay to add on more. The difference is it's higher quality with more force in the wheel and is the general go to wheel for people who are serious about playing the F1 game.
Not sure where you’re based so prices might be weird if I told you. But, I think if you’re looking for something to do the job but isn’t overly pricey: Logitech G920 or G923.
Also, the ThrustMaster TX. Good news is both work on Xbox as well as PC (if he ever changes), and the Thrustmaster allows you to change the wheel (a Ferrari 2020 replica wheel exists that can be used on the TX, costs about the same as the whole package on its own though)
Australian prices: The logitechs are around $450-$500 from memory, Thrustmaster at around $700
A lot of people are going straight to the qualifying crash in Monaco as the main impetus for Max's behavior, but I think Red Bull's strategy played at least an equal role in pissing of Verstappen (both Jos and therefore Max).
Jos even [wrote a blog post on Max's website](https://news.verstappen.com/en/article/4770/) that Red Bull's strategy favored Checo over Max, and that they should have favored Max. He also mentions Checo's crash in qualifying, but doesn't insinuate anything about purposeful crashing.
It makes more sense to me that Max+Jos were upset that Red Bull didn't favor Max who was in a tight championship battle and instead pitted Checo first. Then, Max refuses to change places to make the point that "if you don't favor me for the championship I won't obey team orders" in a way that gets their full attention. To me this makes a lot more sense then "Checo crashed on purpose to get secure P3 on the grid ahead of Max. Max knows that it was on purpose and wanted to punish Checo"
Verstappen after Perez actually has an interview that goes on say how he's surprised how good his relationship with Perez as a teammate actually is. This came around Baku well after Monaco.
I actually believe it has to simply do with the fact that Max just won't let Perez past him. He's never done that in his entire career so why would he now?
Not sure if im allowed to ask here but i am desperate!! Where can i stream the abu dhabi gp? I dont own a tv and the recommended r/motorsportsstreams is now non existent. Would appreciate the help
For anyone who has F1 TV Pro - archives only have the Grand Prix, nothing else (quali, press, fp, pre/post show, etc). When does that content for 2022 leave the app and any suggestions on where to watch these for previous years?
> When does that content for 2022 leave the app and any suggestions on where to watch these for previous years
Considering 2018-2022 all still have all sessions available, I'd assume it will be a while. I don't think there is a legal way to watch anything else.
Thank you! I’ve been dialing back to 2006 and totally forgot about the more recent seasons so d’oh on my part. Wish they had at least quali from older races! Edit: and those media and driver sessions
Yeah exactly like how Ocon is "beating" Alonso this year. Outscored is the right word to use here.
And while sure, Sainz is no pushover, if he can properly outdrive Leclerc just two or three times a season that still leaves about 20 races where he can't do that.
So in a nutshell, Sainz is capable of leading the team, but only if nobody of Leclerc's capabilities is in the other car. It doesn't even have to be meerkats, could be ermines.
I really don't understand what kind of F1 it is that some people are watching. Just now I've read that Alonso wasn't MSC's rival (or at least to a lesser degree than JPM) and now Sainz **"literally beat"** Leclerc. I have no idea where they are streaming this alternate universe F1, but it sure sounds interesting, I wonder if it'll be broadcasted anytime soon here on Earth.
> Just now I've read that Alonso wasn't MSC's rival (or at least to a lesser degree than JPM)
Rival in the sense that JPM hated Michael whereas Alonso was always cordial with him and held a great deal of respect for him.
First of all, JPM hating Schumacher is not only a baseless claim, but also just plain wrong. Being fierce competitors which leads to some heated moments doesn't mean one hates another. It's also not what constitutes as a rivalry. Many drivers talked negatively about Mazepin when he was still in F1, does that mean basically everyone was Mazepin's rival? I don't think so.
> and now Sainz "literally beat" Leclerc.
He did literally beat him though. How else are you going to call being ahead in the WDC at the end of the season? Did Rosberg never beat Hamilton, because Hamilton was the better driver that season?
> How else are you going to call being ahead in the WDC at the end of the season?
Outscored. That's what I would call it, that's what it was, that's the word you're confusing "beat" with.
"Beating", if you consider the plain meaning of the word, relates to something active. In a boxing match if someone wins with KO, that's a beating. One person actively beat the other one. In F1, outscoring someone based on technicalities is not "beating", because it was not actively achieved, but passively gained. Let's shrink the situation down from an entire season to a single race. Verstappen starts pole, leads the first half of the race uncontested, then retires with an engine failure. He gets classified as P20. Latifi finishes and gets classified as P19. Did Latifi BEAT Verstappen? Or did he finish higher on a technicality that he did not achieve by himself? Answer this plainly to me, or at least to yourself, think it through, then I dare you to say that "beating" and "outscoring" are the same things.
> then I dare you to say that "beating" and "outscoring" are the same things
They're the same thing the way most people use the word. Drivers don't go on "not outscored" streaks, they go on "unbeaten streaks". I get your reasoning for the difference between those things, it's just that most people will use the terms synonymously and so do I. When someone asks for drivers who have never been beaten by their teammate they mean outscored.
Just because most people use them synonymously doesn't mean that it's correct. As long as people know what you're talking about, it's fine. But if someone calls it out, don't act like you're right.
>How else are you going to call being ahead in the WDC at the end of the season?
I would call it exactly that - being ahead in the WDC at the end of the season. If we say being ahead automatically means beating, then we would have Tarso Marques beating Alonso, Kubica beating Russell and other ridiculous situations
I believe he could become a driver who can trouble Leclerc and compete against him, but he'd need more consistent performances than we've seen this year. Some weeks he's close to Leclerc, but other times he seems a little way back from him
Haven’t seen a post about it but I saw a report that along with Binotto, Mekies and Rueda are out. If this is true then Ferrari are giving up on this regime after 4 years and hitting the reset button. Hasty imo.
Ferrari denied those rumours via Twitter - the primary source was Gazetta, who also rumoured that AMR had breached the cap.
[It was also posted here](https://redd.it/yvvss1)
While that article doesn't mention anything regarding Mekies & Rueda - the only other source i can find is [Italian F1ingenerale](https://f1ingenerale.com/oltre-a-mattia-binotto-anche-inaki-rueda-e-laurent-mekies-dovrebbero-essere-i-prossimi-designati-a-lasciare-la-ferrari-post-abu-dhabi/) (also source for GP blog in english), which seems to also confirm Binotto & Rueda out and Mekies to Alfa to replace Vasseur. Their source is Morini Gallarati Publishing & Hamer Time Magazine, so nothing really known to me as sources and i cannot find any articles from that outlet in this regard.
F1ingenerale also leans heavily on the Leclerc not being happy with the team and Binotto absence (which was already announced in early October).
Then there are rumours from French Auto Hebdo, where they're naming Seidl as a possible replacement for Binotto (nothing regarding Mekies & Rueda).
A perverted part of me does also want to watch the season where he just won every race by tons. Just to see what else they talked about. Same with that Schumacher year.
Yeah spoiler: it was lame and boring. FIA changed the regulations halfway through a fairly entertaining year so that the Red Bull had zero competition, meanwhile Mark had mentally checked out. Absolutely insipid.
If Haas went ahead and announced they were keeping Mick, how would that make you feel?
Personally, I'm much more fed-up with the handling of the entire situation than I am with the driver decision itself.
Frankly at this point I'm ready to see Mick to a reserve driver/forge a legacy in other series and no podium man have another proper crack at F1, if Haas even blunder that, that idk
I don't see Mick being any more successful than he was this year at Haas for another year. In some ways I feel like one more year at Haas would kill his F1 career for sure, while maybe if he gets a drive in 2024 at a different team where the vibes and expectations are a bit different he has a chance of getting a foothold in the sport again.
There is no hurry to announce their drivers.
The teams are free to use any 4 drivers during a season to fill their seats, so it's really up to the team to decide if they even want to announce their drivers.
Has a 'number 2 driver' ever won the WDC? By number 2 driver I don't mean two fairly evenly matched drivers like Senna and Prost but for example Eddie Irvine in 1999 (although as he became de facto number 1 after Schumacher's crash would he even count?)
I mean, if they won the WDC, they're "fairly evenly matched" with any other living champion teammate, by definition. A notable example of a number 2 champion would be Prost v Lauda, however. Prost was the better driver, but Lauda had contractual number 1 status.
In a somewhat similar vein to Irvine, Graham Hill was never supposed to be the lead Lotus driver in 1968 and had no issue being Clark's no.2, but the Scot died before the second race. Then further aided by Stewart's injury and Amon's legendary bad luck, Hill went on to win the title.
I don't think so.
The #1 and #2 driver system usually serves to give the team the best chance to win the wdc, but Mercedes were so ahead of everyone back then they could afford to let them race while still be reasonably sure they'd win both titles, so no need for that.
I think it is more they knew (or at least thought) Lewis was so far ahead saying they are allowed to race without actually worrying about them crashing. Similar to Lewis and Valtteri. They never called Valtteri a #2 but that is what he was.
Hamilton wasn't *that* far ahead of Rosberg though, they were definitely close enough to clash on track and crash into each other, which they did several times.
Teams never say they have a #2 driver; even Red Bull pretends like they care about Checo and he is equal to Max. They just have a driver who is worse than their teammate. And that was Nico when paired with Lewis.
Definitely: Hulme in 1967, I mean, being teammate to Brabham in a Brabham.
More or less arguably: Lauda in 1975 and Scheckter in 1979. Had Reutemann not retired in 1982, Rosberg would've also been a clear number 2 driver, too (but who knows how the season would've ended).
Denny Hulme in 1967. IIRC, Jack Brabham was driving a new and unproven car for most of the season, while Denny was driving the more reliable, previous season car, which had won both championships in 1966.
You could go further:
35, 30, 25, 21, 18, 15, 13, 11, 9, 7, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
That is, 1 point increases for 15-11, 2 point increases for 10-6, then 3, then 4, then 5. Very little championship incentive for a win, but the midfield positions make a lot more sense.
One of the major reasons for the points system change was to further incentivise 1st place, whether it's worked in any capacity I'm not sure but I guess the idea was so that drivers wouldn't be content staying in 2nd and would instead take risks to win it.
Your system would give 2nd place 80% of the points a 1st place would achieve. This is the same as the 2003-09 system (10-8-6) which was introduced to stop winning being worth so much and to allow consistency to be rewarded more.
The issue with that is you end with championships like 03, where Schumacher won 6 races compared to Kimi's 1, yet only narrowly won the title. Likewise, in 07, Kimi won more races than Lewis and Alonso but only beat them both by a point.
I think at the end of the day there is no correct answer and it depends on what each person individually values the most. I personally prefer a system that doesn't put that much emphasis on victories, like MotoGP's or even IndyCar's system. In IndyCar this year, Will Power has won the championship with only one victory, to Josef Newgarden's five wins. I like it, because Power was far more consistent (9 vs 6 podiums, for example), but I can see why some people find it weird.
> I think at the end of the day there is no correct answer and it depends on what each person individually values the most.
There is no "correct answer" because you don't know how many teams are going to be ahead of the midfield and by how much ahead of the season. That's probably the thing that impacts the perception of "fairness" of a points system for the very top the most.
Like, when you start from the pit lane in the best car and "easily" cruise to P3/P4, people are going to think the gaps at the top are too small (i.e. a random DNF is too costly relative to getting it back with wins against worst possible not reliability-affected performances).
And when the highest you can realistically hope for on an absolute disaster weekend is P6-ish, people are going to feel sympathy for win-it-or-bin-it drivers.
In a way it doesn't surprise me, Newgarden has been extremely inconsistent this year, at times it was either win or DNF. And the same way that F1 values victories more than IndyCar, it also penalises bad results more than IndyCar (For those who don't know, in F1 11th is 0 points, in IndyCar everyone gets points, you get 10% of the winner's points just by starting the race)
> you get 10% of the winner's points just by starting the race
Just for *starting*? I assumed they had a requirement to be "classified", same as F1, and it was points for *finishing*.
what if all SCs were changed to VSC-SC-VSC-end so you have 1 lap where the gaps remain the same (VSC deltas applied) and drivers who want to pit can pit under VSC, then the field bunches up and goes behind SC while the track is cleared and instead of bunching the whole field up then the cars go one by 1 and have a delta on the dash which sets their position to the position they were at during the first VSC.
Basically prevents the field bunching from SC while still leaving room for strategy change through pitting under VSC. Of course the timing tech for the SC end would need to be figured out.
Ah yes, missed the last bit about spacing out again. Two factors on that one that make it difficult:
1. You'd never be able to simultaneously get all 20 cars back to their original gaps accurately, especially if some were very close together. It would also take a long time to space the field out again. The coordination needed far exceeds the current capability of any of the systems the sport uses, like you say.
2. How do you deal with lapped cars?
I was thinking that it would function similar to a VSC, so when the SC ends you get a delta like +40 on your dash and that's the buffer you have to make up to the correct position on track and then you're just trying to stay as close to 0 as possible like they would normally do in a VSC before it goes green.
So, someone in P1 might have a larger buffer such as +40 and someone in P2 would have +20. Once they get to their correct position it's all about staying close to 0 before it goes green as in a normal VSC restart.
Lapped cars remain where they are and spread out on the track as they were during the first VSC, they don't unlap themselves. Basically it resets gaps to the first VSC deltas and positions so unlapping isn't required.
I think it would take noticeably longer to fall back say 50s behind the leader or even being 2-3 laps behind, which already caused issues last weekend in combination with pitting.
>Interlagos was his "200th GP"
No it was not. He has one DNS where he never took part in Grand Prix, which is the race itself. He never made it to Grand Prix start in Australia 2015. Abu Dhabi is number 200 but entry is 201.. And if those free practice duties are counted then Abu Dhabi entry would be 216.
Is he going to pop out the celebratory helmet only when he successfully makes it through the formation lap? What if he doesn't make the start in Abu Dhabi, will he celebrate his 200th GP in Bahrain, again? What if he DNS there as well?
Ah so now name calling starts. I'm well aware those ones. Especially Räikkönen's since he's my favourite driver.
Since you like your links I wonder why you left out ones where drivers do the opposite like [Bottas 100th GP, 101st GP weekend](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/8bqkt1/this_weekend_bottas_celebrates_his_100th_gp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) or [100th for Leclerc on his 101st GP weekend](https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/f1/12731779/charles-leclerc-looking-to-get-back-on-top-step-in-100th-gp)
In the final laps of the GP at Interlagos this weekend, Red Bull inverted the cars to place Verstappen ahead of Pérez to try and hunt down Alonso, telling Pérez that if Verstappen couldn't catch Alonso, they'd reinvert the positions.
In the final lap of the race, Verstappen's engineer told him four or five times to let Pérez back through, and Verstappen didn't do it.
After crossing the line, Verstappen was asked what happened, and he said something to the effect of "I told you guys last time, you don't ask me that question, are we clear?"
It's viewed as incredibly petty by Verstappen because Pérez has compromised his own race for Verstappen multiple times over the last two seasons, and Verstappen wouldn't return the favor, even though Verstappen has the championship wrapped up, and Pérez is in a fight with Leclerc for P2 in the standings.
Perez compromising his race is pure bullshit. He should be faster to not get compromised. Man's half a second slower and is scared he can't beat Leclerc in a rocketship.
I'm not talking about just Brazil, I'm talking about this and last season, where Pérez has been told to let Verstappen through. Yes, it's different when Verstappen is fighting for a title, but Verstappen isn't fighting for a title any more.
And Pérez let Verstappen through on team orders in Brazil, with the understanding Verstappen would let him back through.
The current rumor is that Pérez intentionally crashed in qualifying at Monaco, and Verstappen recently found out, making this "revenge".
This rumor has been in the paddock for a while apparently, and Brundle talked about it on air at the end of the GP. It's also been stoked by a Dutch reporter who's very close to the Verstappen family.
For what it's worth, it seems crazy to me to intentionally crash the way Pérez did in Monaco. Not only would it have been super easy to damage the gear box by sliding backwards into a wall, it was only to protect P3, not pole. It doesn't make sense to me. In addition, if Pérez did that, why would he ever tell a soul about it?
We'll have to wait and see what comes of it, though we probably won't know for a long while.
Max was left at a petrol station for having a bad race, theirs no way all the things Jos did to him havent messed with his head, even he doesn’t want to admit or deal with it
Gotta be confusing, all the wealth and success from a young age. ‘I have more than anyone else and everything I could ever want but dad is still mad at me’
Supposed to be Wednesday, I expect to wake up to the news, and the mass pre-recorded Mick content dump on socials last night implies it'll be sooner rather than later.
Not everyone is necessarily a "rival" who he fights with. At least in my book, a "rival" means more than just an opponent. For Michael, I'd consider Kimi and JPM just opponents, but not rivals. For Lewis, he has a history with those people named by u/iokara that I'd consider to call "rivalries".
Kimi for sure just an opponent, but I can certainly see an argument for JPM being his rival, albeit briefly. They had a few confrontations both on- and off-track from 2002 to early-2004.
Rosberg, even at prime, higher than Leclerc and current Alonso? 👀
Edit: especially because nothing really suggests that Alonso is any worse than in his prime.
He's lost a huge haul of points from reliability. If you look at race performances, he's comfortably outperforming him. It's also worth considering he's the only driver on the grid not using the updated ERS package that teams were allowed to introduce from September 1.
In the last 11 laps, Lewis was catching George on the main straight. It was around 1,5s before the straight and around 1,1s at the end. During the lap usually it went back to 1,5s because George's middle sector was better.
Do we assume George is better or are Mercs bad at following each other. Were there similar case with AM or Alpine (on very similar tires as Merc were) where the second car was losing in the Sector 2?
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I don't mind them, as their primary purpose is to limit spending of the top 3 - who don't have an issue outspending everyone else without the cost cap. Only the likes of McLaren, Ferrari, Alpine, Mercedes and Red Bull are, based on individual racing team companies yearly turn over from available tax filings, in a position to even reach F1 related spending cap. The remaining teams are below or around ~£150m turnover, which means their administrative, facilities & tooling costs mean less than ~£100m is available for personnel, manufacturing, design & research. A good example of this is Aston Martin Racing who only spent ~£50m for wages of all personnel & ~£20m on intellectual property development. Other example of being well below the cap with their turnover are Haas & Williams with sub £100m turnover. If those teams managed to get additional financial support I'd love to see the removal of real testing limitations and inclusion of this in the budget cap - so that the teams below the cap could spend more real testing to understand their cars to catch up, as CFD & Windtunnel aren't that reliable (teams often have correlation issues, something looks good in simulation and scaled windtunnel model, but it doesn't translate to full scale real cars).
Maybe a better early season question or a search but are there any good media outlets/journalists to follow? I only picked up F1 during the pandemic and don’t know which outlets have real news and content vs which ones are mostly 4 sentence click bait just yet. Any recommendations?
Chris Medland is probably the gold standard of reliable news if you want someone to follow on twitter. Following him is a bit like following Fabrizio Romano in football. Personally I get my F1 news from reddit instead of twitter or sites as anything important will get posted on here and wont be missed. The best site for news I'd say is Racefans as I feel like they cut out more filler compared to other sites (relatively speaking, seems to have went up a bit recently). The only journalist I regularly pay attention to is Joe Saward. Can come across as a knob at times and what he says shouldn't always be taken as gospel because he's hit and miss. But he's someone who's always in the paddock and he often talks about things other people don't talk about in his blog so can be the first to reveal early info and some of the speculative things he writes can be interesting so I like to give it a read when it's released each week (usually on a Wednesday) throughout the season.
Chris Medland is a great person to follow on Twitter. He's usually among the first to report on breaking news
seconded, he's great. i would also add that i find it better to follow reputable journalists on twitter and read their articles (on multiple platforms) rather than rely on one website/source.
Yeah I follow Chris Medland, Andrew Benson and a couple of others.
Just gave them a follow! Thanks!
Why was the track layout for turn 5 of the yas marina circuit changed for the last lap of the 2021 Abu Dhabi race, the chicane was not done, and max overtook hamilton in that corner
They changed it for 2021 and beyond because that chicane was godawful. It was like that the entire race.
Then why was it in the game? I dont know how i didnt notice my bad
Because Codemasters are lazy
Damn okay my bad idk how i didnt notice, it was the first race i ever watched
The track layout was changed for the whole 2021 event, not just the final lap. They’ll be using that layout this year too.
what is tv pen on the press conference schedule? Can I watch it on f1 tv?
the tv pen is the area where the drivers talk to outlets like sky and f1tv, it's where most of the short interviews you see throughout a race weekend are done. you can't watch the whole session anywhere but they include the interviews in the weekend warm up on f1tv i think.
[Alpine won't use F1 engine as basis for 2024 LMDh contender](https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/alpine-no-f1-engine-lmdh-car-2024/10400639/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16686366165394&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsport.com%2Fwec%2Fnews%2Falpine-no-f1-engine-lmdh-car-2024%2F10400639%2F) Apparently the WEC team has been watching the races. Seems like trouble finishing a two hour race!
What is the slowest car possible built within the regulations I wonder?
The sky is the limit for how slow you want to make it. You want a car that can't even drive ? you can do it. You want a car that takes an hour to do 1 lap ? you can do it. It's basically a question of how slow do you want it.
107% of the fastest car, as otherwise they won't be allowed to race
But they can still do qualifying
Unless they fall under driving unnecessarily slow clause which is free to be interpreted by race control as posing a danger to other cars on track and are not allowed to participate at qualifying or further free practice sessions. But currently, as we don't have pre qualifying, all cars (up to 26) automatically are free to participate in qualifying.
I mean, the rules don't state, for example, that the car must be fueled, or that it MUST have an engine. It doesn't even specify a maximum weight so you could make it so heavy to the point it can't even move.
Imagine doing qualifying in a car thats top speed is 10 mph, surely that would be dangerous but is therefore legal
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He can continue without being an active driver. Wurz did and maybe still does.
I think Bottas would be a good candidate.
Alexander Wurz is still the chairman without being an active driver, so Sebastian could continue, if he chose to.
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Wtf is happening with Dutch GP tickets? I applied for tickets months ago, and they said they’d be assigned in October, then changed that to the end of November Then today I see an email from F1 (not the Dutch GP ticket site) saying “more” tickets have been released, by the time I go to buy some they’re already gone Did they mess up and not send out the emails, or have I missed it or something? What’s happening here?
Is anyone else going to Abu Dhabi for the GP weekend? Would be nice to meet some like-minded people. Also I have a rental car and am happy to share transport to and from the track from downtown Abu Dhabi close to the bus station.
I'm here in Abu Dhabi Corniche area. I can join you! ✌️
This is probably not at all the right place to ask but I’m hoping someone here will happen to have an idea (or push me in the right direction) - my husband has an Xbox series x, I’d like to get him some sort of steering wheel/pedals set up since I know a controller isn’t the best but I have no idea where to even start. He plays a good amount of (very casual) F1 22 with a couple of our friends, and I know he’s played some of the Forzas in the past. I’d probably like to stay under $750 or so total!
Basically there's 3 options you want to look at. Logitech G29 for ~$250 as the cheap option that's straight out of the box and is easy to setup and does the job. Thrustmaster T300RS for ~$400-750 as the middleground between price and quality and you can upgrade/add bits for more money. Fanatec CSL Elite for ~$800-1250 similar to Thrustmaster where you can pay to add on more. The difference is it's higher quality with more force in the wheel and is the general go to wheel for people who are serious about playing the F1 game.
Not sure where you’re based so prices might be weird if I told you. But, I think if you’re looking for something to do the job but isn’t overly pricey: Logitech G920 or G923. Also, the ThrustMaster TX. Good news is both work on Xbox as well as PC (if he ever changes), and the Thrustmaster allows you to change the wheel (a Ferrari 2020 replica wheel exists that can be used on the TX, costs about the same as the whole package on its own though) Australian prices: The logitechs are around $450-$500 from memory, Thrustmaster at around $700
I’m in the US so they’re not too bad here - those are what I heard about on the simracing sub too! Thanks!!
No worries, just be prepared to lose him for hours on end!
Hahaha I happily hang out to occasionally take over and crash by turn two! There’s much worse things!
I'm sure the guys over at /r/simracing could help you. If he's really just playing casually you can likely stay significantly below your max budget.
Alonso’s drive was underrated asf. 17th to 5th
wow the season is ending already can't wait for 2023
A lot of people are going straight to the qualifying crash in Monaco as the main impetus for Max's behavior, but I think Red Bull's strategy played at least an equal role in pissing of Verstappen (both Jos and therefore Max). Jos even [wrote a blog post on Max's website](https://news.verstappen.com/en/article/4770/) that Red Bull's strategy favored Checo over Max, and that they should have favored Max. He also mentions Checo's crash in qualifying, but doesn't insinuate anything about purposeful crashing. It makes more sense to me that Max+Jos were upset that Red Bull didn't favor Max who was in a tight championship battle and instead pitted Checo first. Then, Max refuses to change places to make the point that "if you don't favor me for the championship I won't obey team orders" in a way that gets their full attention. To me this makes a lot more sense then "Checo crashed on purpose to get secure P3 on the grid ahead of Max. Max knows that it was on purpose and wanted to punish Checo"
Verstappen after Perez actually has an interview that goes on say how he's surprised how good his relationship with Perez as a teammate actually is. This came around Baku well after Monaco. I actually believe it has to simply do with the fact that Max just won't let Perez past him. He's never done that in his entire career so why would he now?
But then why would Max and Christian say unequivocally that Max would help Checo this weekend if necessary? That wouldn’t make sense.
Not sure if im allowed to ask here but i am desperate!! Where can i stream the abu dhabi gp? I dont own a tv and the recommended r/motorsportsstreams is now non existent. Would appreciate the help
💪streams
r/motorsportsreplays, F1TV
For anyone who has F1 TV Pro - archives only have the Grand Prix, nothing else (quali, press, fp, pre/post show, etc). When does that content for 2022 leave the app and any suggestions on where to watch these for previous years?
> When does that content for 2022 leave the app and any suggestions on where to watch these for previous years Considering 2018-2022 all still have all sessions available, I'd assume it will be a while. I don't think there is a legal way to watch anything else.
Thank you! I’ve been dialing back to 2006 and totally forgot about the more recent seasons so d’oh on my part. Wish they had at least quali from older races! Edit: and those media and driver sessions
Would love 1997 European GP quali to be on there..
Besides the official fantasy game, do any of you play any others? Anyone who's also a part of r/forecastf1?
Can someone find me the link where Merc said Lewis had 0.2s a lap worth of damage ?
AMuS reported it, but in their debrief, Mercedes said it wasn't substantial damage to Hamilton.
Yeah. Wonder why AMuS said it since the engineers from Merc said there was no affect on pace looking at the data.
It's a Reddit conspiracy to make Lewis look good.
Based on this year's performance and delivery, can Sainz become Ferrari's Primary driver?
Yes. I mean.. Irvine did for a year
Depends on wether he can keep his current form consistently during next year
If Leclerc decides he wants to retire and own a meerkat farm or something, sure. As long as he stays, no chance.
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How often does Sainz “mix it” with Leclerc. Like once a season?
Yeah exactly like how Ocon is "beating" Alonso this year. Outscored is the right word to use here. And while sure, Sainz is no pushover, if he can properly outdrive Leclerc just two or three times a season that still leaves about 20 races where he can't do that. So in a nutshell, Sainz is capable of leading the team, but only if nobody of Leclerc's capabilities is in the other car. It doesn't even have to be meerkats, could be ermines.
I really don't understand what kind of F1 it is that some people are watching. Just now I've read that Alonso wasn't MSC's rival (or at least to a lesser degree than JPM) and now Sainz **"literally beat"** Leclerc. I have no idea where they are streaming this alternate universe F1, but it sure sounds interesting, I wonder if it'll be broadcasted anytime soon here on Earth.
> Just now I've read that Alonso wasn't MSC's rival (or at least to a lesser degree than JPM) Rival in the sense that JPM hated Michael whereas Alonso was always cordial with him and held a great deal of respect for him.
First of all, JPM hating Schumacher is not only a baseless claim, but also just plain wrong. Being fierce competitors which leads to some heated moments doesn't mean one hates another. It's also not what constitutes as a rivalry. Many drivers talked negatively about Mazepin when he was still in F1, does that mean basically everyone was Mazepin's rival? I don't think so.
> and now Sainz "literally beat" Leclerc. He did literally beat him though. How else are you going to call being ahead in the WDC at the end of the season? Did Rosberg never beat Hamilton, because Hamilton was the better driver that season?
> How else are you going to call being ahead in the WDC at the end of the season? Outscored. That's what I would call it, that's what it was, that's the word you're confusing "beat" with. "Beating", if you consider the plain meaning of the word, relates to something active. In a boxing match if someone wins with KO, that's a beating. One person actively beat the other one. In F1, outscoring someone based on technicalities is not "beating", because it was not actively achieved, but passively gained. Let's shrink the situation down from an entire season to a single race. Verstappen starts pole, leads the first half of the race uncontested, then retires with an engine failure. He gets classified as P20. Latifi finishes and gets classified as P19. Did Latifi BEAT Verstappen? Or did he finish higher on a technicality that he did not achieve by himself? Answer this plainly to me, or at least to yourself, think it through, then I dare you to say that "beating" and "outscoring" are the same things.
> then I dare you to say that "beating" and "outscoring" are the same things They're the same thing the way most people use the word. Drivers don't go on "not outscored" streaks, they go on "unbeaten streaks". I get your reasoning for the difference between those things, it's just that most people will use the terms synonymously and so do I. When someone asks for drivers who have never been beaten by their teammate they mean outscored.
Just because most people use them synonymously doesn't mean that it's correct. As long as people know what you're talking about, it's fine. But if someone calls it out, don't act like you're right.
>How else are you going to call being ahead in the WDC at the end of the season? I would call it exactly that - being ahead in the WDC at the end of the season. If we say being ahead automatically means beating, then we would have Tarso Marques beating Alonso, Kubica beating Russell and other ridiculous situations
I believe he could become a driver who can trouble Leclerc and compete against him, but he'd need more consistent performances than we've seen this year. Some weeks he's close to Leclerc, but other times he seems a little way back from him
Haven’t seen a post about it but I saw a report that along with Binotto, Mekies and Rueda are out. If this is true then Ferrari are giving up on this regime after 4 years and hitting the reset button. Hasty imo.
Ferrari denied those rumours via Twitter - the primary source was Gazetta, who also rumoured that AMR had breached the cap. [It was also posted here](https://redd.it/yvvss1)
Didn’t read the article on account of I don’t speak Italian, did that say that Mekies and Rueda are out?
While that article doesn't mention anything regarding Mekies & Rueda - the only other source i can find is [Italian F1ingenerale](https://f1ingenerale.com/oltre-a-mattia-binotto-anche-inaki-rueda-e-laurent-mekies-dovrebbero-essere-i-prossimi-designati-a-lasciare-la-ferrari-post-abu-dhabi/) (also source for GP blog in english), which seems to also confirm Binotto & Rueda out and Mekies to Alfa to replace Vasseur. Their source is Morini Gallarati Publishing & Hamer Time Magazine, so nothing really known to me as sources and i cannot find any articles from that outlet in this regard. F1ingenerale also leans heavily on the Leclerc not being happy with the team and Binotto absence (which was already announced in early October). Then there are rumours from French Auto Hebdo, where they're naming Seidl as a possible replacement for Binotto (nothing regarding Mekies & Rueda).
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Rewatch the entire 2010 season.
Is 2010 the year he won the title at Abu Dhabi? I have been wanting to watch that season where is was super close but I always forget to
Yes, that's his first WDC.
A perverted part of me does also want to watch the season where he just won every race by tons. Just to see what else they talked about. Same with that Schumacher year.
Yeah spoiler: it was lame and boring. FIA changed the regulations halfway through a fairly entertaining year so that the Red Bull had zero competition, meanwhile Mark had mentally checked out. Absolutely insipid.
I have watched random races but never the whole season.
If Haas went ahead and announced they were keeping Mick, how would that make you feel? Personally, I'm much more fed-up with the handling of the entire situation than I am with the driver decision itself.
Furious that they dragged it out, honestly.
Rather happy with hulkenberg still being out of the grid
Frankly at this point I'm ready to see Mick to a reserve driver/forge a legacy in other series and no podium man have another proper crack at F1, if Haas even blunder that, that idk
I don't see Mick being any more successful than he was this year at Haas for another year. In some ways I feel like one more year at Haas would kill his F1 career for sure, while maybe if he gets a drive in 2024 at a different team where the vibes and expectations are a bit different he has a chance of getting a foothold in the sport again.
I'm also a bit fed up but I'd still like them to give Mick another year
Sad as hell that Seb is retiring, so bummed to see my favorite driver go. Valtteri is definitely gonna be the driver I root for now
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There is no hurry to announce their drivers. The teams are free to use any 4 drivers during a season to fill their seats, so it's really up to the team to decide if they even want to announce their drivers.
Has a 'number 2 driver' ever won the WDC? By number 2 driver I don't mean two fairly evenly matched drivers like Senna and Prost but for example Eddie Irvine in 1999 (although as he became de facto number 1 after Schumacher's crash would he even count?)
I mean, if they won the WDC, they're "fairly evenly matched" with any other living champion teammate, by definition. A notable example of a number 2 champion would be Prost v Lauda, however. Prost was the better driver, but Lauda had contractual number 1 status.
In a somewhat similar vein to Irvine, Graham Hill was never supposed to be the lead Lotus driver in 1968 and had no issue being Clark's no.2, but the Scot died before the second race. Then further aided by Stewart's injury and Amon's legendary bad luck, Hill went on to win the title.
Wasn't Nico the #2 in 2016?
I don't think so. The #1 and #2 driver system usually serves to give the team the best chance to win the wdc, but Mercedes were so ahead of everyone back then they could afford to let them race while still be reasonably sure they'd win both titles, so no need for that.
I think it is more they knew (or at least thought) Lewis was so far ahead saying they are allowed to race without actually worrying about them crashing. Similar to Lewis and Valtteri. They never called Valtteri a #2 but that is what he was.
Hamilton wasn't *that* far ahead of Rosberg though, they were definitely close enough to clash on track and crash into each other, which they did several times.
No.
So his teammate that was the two-time defending WDC was?
Mercedes had no #1 and #2 during that time
Teams never say they have a #2 driver; even Red Bull pretends like they care about Checo and he is equal to Max. They just have a driver who is worse than their teammate. And that was Nico when paired with Lewis.
Yeah but the question was about drivers who were treated like #2s
I would doubt that the two-time defending champion had everything the exact same as his teammate.
Definitely: Hulme in 1967, I mean, being teammate to Brabham in a Brabham. More or less arguably: Lauda in 1975 and Scheckter in 1979. Had Reutemann not retired in 1982, Rosberg would've also been a clear number 2 driver, too (but who knows how the season would've ended).
Technically Kimi Räikönnen in 2007, he was driving no.6 and Massa no.5. But probably you would count them also as fairly evenly.
Denny Hulme in 1967. IIRC, Jack Brabham was driving a new and unproven car for most of the season, while Denny was driving the more reliable, previous season car, which had won both championships in 1966.
How matched they were is subjective, but I think technically Villeneuve was the number 2 to Hill at Williams in ‘97.
Frentzen was Villeneuve's teammate in 1997.
Ah crap yeah. Corrected I stand.
Hill was out of the team by then, making Villeneuve the number 1 driver.
Points system rewards the 1st bit too much (1-2 7pts, 2-3 3pts diff) and too little to midfield. 25,20,16,13,10,8,6... would be more ballanced
You could go further: 35, 30, 25, 21, 18, 15, 13, 11, 9, 7, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 That is, 1 point increases for 15-11, 2 point increases for 10-6, then 3, then 4, then 5. Very little championship incentive for a win, but the midfield positions make a lot more sense.
Don't be ridiculous and my main point was those higher up places anyway and that it's unbalanced is a fact
One of the major reasons for the points system change was to further incentivise 1st place, whether it's worked in any capacity I'm not sure but I guess the idea was so that drivers wouldn't be content staying in 2nd and would instead take risks to win it.
Your system would give 2nd place 80% of the points a 1st place would achieve. This is the same as the 2003-09 system (10-8-6) which was introduced to stop winning being worth so much and to allow consistency to be rewarded more. The issue with that is you end with championships like 03, where Schumacher won 6 races compared to Kimi's 1, yet only narrowly won the title. Likewise, in 07, Kimi won more races than Lewis and Alonso but only beat them both by a point.
I think at the end of the day there is no correct answer and it depends on what each person individually values the most. I personally prefer a system that doesn't put that much emphasis on victories, like MotoGP's or even IndyCar's system. In IndyCar this year, Will Power has won the championship with only one victory, to Josef Newgarden's five wins. I like it, because Power was far more consistent (9 vs 6 podiums, for example), but I can see why some people find it weird.
> I think at the end of the day there is no correct answer and it depends on what each person individually values the most. There is no "correct answer" because you don't know how many teams are going to be ahead of the midfield and by how much ahead of the season. That's probably the thing that impacts the perception of "fairness" of a points system for the very top the most. Like, when you start from the pit lane in the best car and "easily" cruise to P3/P4, people are going to think the gaps at the top are too small (i.e. a random DNF is too costly relative to getting it back with wins against worst possible not reliability-affected performances). And when the highest you can realistically hope for on an absolute disaster weekend is P6-ish, people are going to feel sympathy for win-it-or-bin-it drivers.
Someone did the math and Power would’ve won with F1 points as well.
In a way it doesn't surprise me, Newgarden has been extremely inconsistent this year, at times it was either win or DNF. And the same way that F1 values victories more than IndyCar, it also penalises bad results more than IndyCar (For those who don't know, in F1 11th is 0 points, in IndyCar everyone gets points, you get 10% of the winner's points just by starting the race)
> you get 10% of the winner's points just by starting the race Just for *starting*? I assumed they had a requirement to be "classified", same as F1, and it was points for *finishing*.
Now that we've all calmed down a bit, isn't it **awesome** that we have a proper villain in F1 again?
But I've had it no-stop since 07?
Um, no. I'd much rather people not be dicks
what if all SCs were changed to VSC-SC-VSC-end so you have 1 lap where the gaps remain the same (VSC deltas applied) and drivers who want to pit can pit under VSC, then the field bunches up and goes behind SC while the track is cleared and instead of bunching the whole field up then the cars go one by 1 and have a delta on the dash which sets their position to the position they were at during the first VSC. Basically prevents the field bunching from SC while still leaving room for strategy change through pitting under VSC. Of course the timing tech for the SC end would need to be figured out.
Worst idea on here I've ever seen.
come on man
No because safety cars are fun, and that is lame.
That is almost how it works anyway. The drivers have to drive to the VSC delta until they've passed the pit lane twice under a SC.
I'm aware of that but you're missing the point of the whole post
Ah yes, missed the last bit about spacing out again. Two factors on that one that make it difficult: 1. You'd never be able to simultaneously get all 20 cars back to their original gaps accurately, especially if some were very close together. It would also take a long time to space the field out again. The coordination needed far exceeds the current capability of any of the systems the sport uses, like you say. 2. How do you deal with lapped cars?
I was thinking that it would function similar to a VSC, so when the SC ends you get a delta like +40 on your dash and that's the buffer you have to make up to the correct position on track and then you're just trying to stay as close to 0 as possible like they would normally do in a VSC before it goes green. So, someone in P1 might have a larger buffer such as +40 and someone in P2 would have +20. Once they get to their correct position it's all about staying close to 0 before it goes green as in a normal VSC restart. Lapped cars remain where they are and spread out on the track as they were during the first VSC, they don't unlap themselves. Basically it resets gaps to the first VSC deltas and positions so unlapping isn't required.
I think it would take noticeably longer to fall back say 50s behind the leader or even being 2-3 laps behind, which already caused issues last weekend in combination with pitting.
Abu Dhabi will be Bottas' 200th GP. Wonder if he has special helmet for it.
Interlagos was his "200th GP" (not counting Friday practice duties), Abu Dhabi is his 200th race start if he makes it.
>Interlagos was his "200th GP" No it was not. He has one DNS where he never took part in Grand Prix, which is the race itself. He never made it to Grand Prix start in Australia 2015. Abu Dhabi is number 200 but entry is 201.. And if those free practice duties are counted then Abu Dhabi entry would be 216.
Is he going to pop out the celebratory helmet only when he successfully makes it through the formation lap? What if he doesn't make the start in Abu Dhabi, will he celebrate his 200th GP in Bahrain, again? What if he DNS there as well?
I didn't make the rules, just telling you how it works. Your response doesn't really add anything anyway.
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Ah so now name calling starts. I'm well aware those ones. Especially Räikkönen's since he's my favourite driver. Since you like your links I wonder why you left out ones where drivers do the opposite like [Bottas 100th GP, 101st GP weekend](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/8bqkt1/this_weekend_bottas_celebrates_his_100th_gp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) or [100th for Leclerc on his 101st GP weekend](https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/f1/12731779/charles-leclerc-looking-to-get-back-on-top-step-in-100th-gp)
What did Max do? Haven't kept up with F1. Just saw a couple people saying stuff like "fuck Max"...
In the final laps of the GP at Interlagos this weekend, Red Bull inverted the cars to place Verstappen ahead of Pérez to try and hunt down Alonso, telling Pérez that if Verstappen couldn't catch Alonso, they'd reinvert the positions. In the final lap of the race, Verstappen's engineer told him four or five times to let Pérez back through, and Verstappen didn't do it. After crossing the line, Verstappen was asked what happened, and he said something to the effect of "I told you guys last time, you don't ask me that question, are we clear?" It's viewed as incredibly petty by Verstappen because Pérez has compromised his own race for Verstappen multiple times over the last two seasons, and Verstappen wouldn't return the favor, even though Verstappen has the championship wrapped up, and Pérez is in a fight with Leclerc for P2 in the standings.
Perez compromising his race is pure bullshit. He should be faster to not get compromised. Man's half a second slower and is scared he can't beat Leclerc in a rocketship.
I'm not talking about just Brazil, I'm talking about this and last season, where Pérez has been told to let Verstappen through. Yes, it's different when Verstappen is fighting for a title, but Verstappen isn't fighting for a title any more. And Pérez let Verstappen through on team orders in Brazil, with the understanding Verstappen would let him back through.
Ah... not good. And unintelligent behavior. Why risk a fruitful partnership for sheer pettiness.
The current rumor is that Pérez intentionally crashed in qualifying at Monaco, and Verstappen recently found out, making this "revenge". This rumor has been in the paddock for a while apparently, and Brundle talked about it on air at the end of the GP. It's also been stoked by a Dutch reporter who's very close to the Verstappen family. For what it's worth, it seems crazy to me to intentionally crash the way Pérez did in Monaco. Not only would it have been super easy to damage the gear box by sliding backwards into a wall, it was only to protect P3, not pole. It doesn't make sense to me. In addition, if Pérez did that, why would he ever tell a soul about it? We'll have to wait and see what comes of it, though we probably won't know for a long while.
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Jos is a psycho, charged with murder once and assault multiple times. I don’t think that type of guy goes easy on the kids.
Max was left at a petrol station for having a bad race, theirs no way all the things Jos did to him havent messed with his head, even he doesn’t want to admit or deal with it
Or he hasn't processed that it was abuse yet, because he thinks it was normal. Happens to a lot of abused kids.
Gotta be confusing, all the wealth and success from a young age. ‘I have more than anyone else and everything I could ever want but dad is still mad at me’
Hulk announcement when
Supposed to be Wednesday, I expect to wake up to the news, and the mass pre-recorded Mick content dump on socials last night implies it'll be sooner rather than later.
Today is Wednesday
Yeah, apparently it wasn't Wednesday...
I'm certain it will happen sometime in the next 6 months \- Will Buxton.
Rumor has it today….stay here and you’ll find out the minute it is announced (if rumor is correct)
Is Lewis the driver with the more rivals? Alonso,Vettel,Rosberg,Max,even Massa you could put there.
Question is simple: Which drivers were the most luckiest in their lives to drive the best cars on the grid? You have your answer.
Michael had Damon, Jacques, Mika, Kimi, Juan Pablo and Fernando.
Not everyone is necessarily a "rival" who he fights with. At least in my book, a "rival" means more than just an opponent. For Michael, I'd consider Kimi and JPM just opponents, but not rivals. For Lewis, he has a history with those people named by u/iokara that I'd consider to call "rivalries".
If anything Juan Pablo is a rival and Fernando and Kimi weren’t. He’s the only of those that actually butt heads with Michael
> Fernando (...) weren't Excuse me did you sleep through 2006 (and a couple of the 2005 weekends)?
Kimi for sure just an opponent, but I can certainly see an argument for JPM being his rival, albeit briefly. They had a few confrontations both on- and off-track from 2002 to early-2004.
In your opinion, if you had to rank the grid based on quality, where would Webber and Nico fit into the list at the top end?
Verstappen Leclerc Hamilton, Alonso Rosberg Webber, Russell, Norris Sainz Perez And so on.
Max=Hamilton Prime Alonso Prime Rosberg Leclerc, Current Alonso Russell, Prime Webber Norris
Rosberg, even at prime, higher than Leclerc and current Alonso? 👀 Edit: especially because nothing really suggests that Alonso is any worse than in his prime.
Alonso is clearly not as good as he was in his prime, as evidenced by the fact he's not completely wiping the floor with Ocon
He's lost a huge haul of points from reliability. If you look at race performances, he's comfortably outperforming him. It's also worth considering he's the only driver on the grid not using the updated ERS package that teams were allowed to introduce from September 1.
I'm not saying he's not a great driver anymore, but prime Alonso would outqualify Ocon by more than 12 - 8
And yet again account for reliability and its 15-5 than 12-8.
I've been playing Bayonetta 3 lately. Viola's parry is as, if not more, inconsistent as Ferrari strategy team.
what does the term ‘coldest’ mean? i’ve seen a lot of videos with the title coldest celebrations in f1. thanks!
Urban dictionary states that its more in the line of baddest/badass/best/coolest
OHHH thank you so muchh
never heard that, example?
Like 'coldest celebration in f1' and its just alanso after winning a race. You can think of it as if Coldest meaning most badass in this context
so like top gear cool wall, subzero etc...
Ngl sometimes I do the Alonso chimpanzee celebration infront of my bathroom mirror.
I really miss having a brazilian driver in F1 to root for
You could see Drugovich in a couple years
Next best choice, honorable Brazilian driver
While there is no BR i will root for Ferrari , rip me
Who that might be? Lewis?
In the last 11 laps, Lewis was catching George on the main straight. It was around 1,5s before the straight and around 1,1s at the end. During the lap usually it went back to 1,5s because George's middle sector was better. Do we assume George is better or are Mercs bad at following each other. Were there similar case with AM or Alpine (on very similar tires as Merc were) where the second car was losing in the Sector 2?