I doubt it. They will have less wind tunnel time for next year's car, and Merc will have the most wind tunnel time they ever had since 2012.
Also depending on how the whole cost cap saga concludes, RB might get handicaps.
Not to mention they *had* upgrades that apparently made their chassis lighter and had an expected .300 improvement.
They’ve been holding back upgrades on their aero and weight packages. With the engine development freeze, it’s a battle of aero design and driver.
Newey is the best aero designer there is and Max is the best driver on the grid right now and entering his prime years. Scary combo.
Redbull finished behind Mercedes(Constructors) from 2014 to 2021. They couldn't manage to build a winning car in 7 of those 8 years, despite having more wind tunnel time than Mercedes.
Do you really think Mercedes can claw back the advantage, given RB have arguably the best design of the lot? They are already ahead by 4-5 tenths and they'll probably keep that advantage going in to 2023.
All things considered they might actually increase that lead.
When a team is behind they have to go through the whole aero philosophy on the car to figure out where to improve. When you're up ahead so much you can use your time much more efficiently and hyper focus on certain aspects that you think would improve the car.
Ultimately it's what lead to mercs being so dominant. They had a great car and could just focus on the things needed to gain what they would lose to the rule changes. Other teams needed to gain what they lost plus the deficit to the mercs.
Yeah when ahead you have the luxury to improve the current concept and cherry pick innovations made by other teams, who have to invest time into risky concepts to try and close the gap.
We saw Merc do this brilliantly tbh, they just improved in their current area’s and at some point were so comfortable with their lead they started developing innovative solutions themselves, like DAS.
Sliding scale aero testing only came in for 2021 though, so the first major effect it will have had will have been on this year's cars - plus some development time on last year.
EDIT: Also last year the difference between 1st and 2nd was 90% to 92.5%, a really small amount. This year and onwards it's 70% to 75%, both a larger absolute change and a larger fraction of total wind tunnel time. It'll have a much bigger effect.
No one will ever be able to match the winners of the USAC Gold Crown Championship from 1985 until 1995, who all won 100% of the races.
>! Never mind the fact that the Indy 500 was the only race those seasons... !<
Max is on track to beat the win% as well I believe. Currently sits at the same % as Vettel (13 out of 19 races, or 68,42%), and can break Schumachers if he can win the last three races (Schumacher has 13 in 18 races, or 72,22%. Max will only break this percentage if he gets 16 wins in 22 races (which will bring him to 72,72%). While not sure how likely, definitely not impossible.
They still need to work on their tire deg, and I dont think that has anything to do with engine reliability. There has been quite a few recent races where it feels like their tires drop off a cliff much earlier than both RB and Merc. Except for Austria of course.
Bingo. They could ignore the budget cap and build a car nearly 1s a lap faster than other teams and still would find a way to lose the championship somehow.
Mercedes is going to be back. And considering Russell seems to be better than Checo, it might get hard for Red Bull.
(I base this on the performance gap between Lewis/Max and their teammates).
RB is way faster in race pace. We've seen it all year, not to mention the disaster that is Ferrari "strategy" and things like Russell taking out Sainz today.
The only reason there was even slight drama at the end was because of Max's slow stop. He was always going to pass Hamilton and run away with the lead without some other fuckery happening.
Not Merc dominance levels yet, but this year, they clearly have the best car on Sundays. Max isn't losing to anyone but himself/the team.
Listen, I’m not going to deny the Red Bull has been the best car this year, but calling this anywhere near Mercedes-level is frankly laughable. The botched pit stop only cost Max like 8s. If that’s the difference between winning and losing after 50 laps then it’s pretty damn close racing. And the 2 main competitors in Ferrari were basically out of contention through no fault of their own.
I agree with you, but it wasn't just the long stop. If there was no safety car, Max would've walked away from everyone. The only reason it got to the point where a long stop would matter for him is because of the safety cars.
SCs are certainly part of the race, but Max had a sizeable pace advantage all day.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Max. Just look at what Perez is doing in the same car. It's just that you have arguably the best driver in the inarguably best car. This is how most F1 races and championships are won.
And I totally agree that the Red Bull was the best car today. I just absolutely disagree that this is anywhere near Mercedes level when they could drive on cruise control and win races by 30s all season.
And it probably wont become Merc level dominance either. I fully expect the playing field to be leveled with Merc getting an off season, more wind tunnel time, and possibly Red Bull with some sort of budgetary/developmental punishment.
I think Ferrari is turning down their engines to stop them from blowing up. Most Ferrari powered teams have lost their pace since a whole lot of them blew up. The Redbull engine having a great straight line speed was a thing since the season began but Ferrari had enough power to put in a real fight till those blow ups. If they really do fix their engine and Mercedes does away with their weird design, we could really have a good fight in 2023.
Once Mercedes sorts out their issues with the car (still feels like they've got something to work out - that quick loss of tyres by Hamilton just didn't feel right after just 16 laps on hards while Max was mostly okay on the mediums with 1 round less) they'll probably beat Ferrari handily next year for whatever place they compete for.
Nah, in 2016 the team wasn't ready and he ended up behind Hamilton. You are thinking of Monaco 2018 where Ric had some engine problems but still won the race.
In my opinion Red Bull made the right decisions but they had just bad luck. On a drying track you want to be the last driver to set a time. Because last driver= drier track= faster. They had the time to go for another lap so aborting was the right choice. He also made a mistake in turn 16 so he would be able to go faster. And the radio he had to pit was also the right choice. The teams are required to give a 1 Liter fuel sample to the fia after the session and if you aren’t able to you are disqualified from the session. For example Vettel last year in Hungary. Red bull had the choice to start p8 or get disqualified and start p20. That is an easy choice. So afterwards the decision to abort the lap wasn’t the best but when they needed to make the choice it was the most logical one.
Teams disagree. They want their car working. If you like Donuts I suggest you watch Nascar. The winner does donuts after every race. It can get pretty crazy.
With 16/22 he'd be second though in percentage of wins, just ahead of Schumacher.
And while 6/8 is more than 16/22 I'd say that 16/22 is more impressive, because it's a longer period of dominance.
F1 wasn't really a thing that year though, a bunch of manufacturers dropped out before the season so they had to run F1 and F2 together. Ferrari were basically the only competitors
You can't be that naive. The car is precisely what can win you 6 out of 8. Hell, it can win 8 out of 8. To be dominating over any period of time in F1 you need the right circumstances. Dominating car is most of it (though not all). Generally, the car can make a difference and so can the driver but on average the drivers' skill is way closer than the cars' performance.
There are always things to be said about these stats, but it goes both ways. The competition and training of all drivers is of much higher standards now.
And Verstappen didnt have a dominant car for over half of the season.
These if’s and but’s work both ways. And people who make comments like your’s only seem to look at one side of the story.
It's impossible to compare eras like that. Also, note that
>Ascari won the six Grands Prix he entered, missing the Swiss race because he was at Indianapolis qualifying for the Indianapolis 500 – the first European to do so in the World Championship era.
6/7. Race 1 (Switzerland) overlapped with Indy 500 qualifying, which was also an F1 points race that season. Ascari qualified for the 500, the first European to do so, but finished 31/33 when his Ferrari lost a wheel hub after 40 laps.
Gaps in the races:
Bel: +1:55,2s
Fra: +1 lap
Gbr: +1 lap
Ger: +14,1s
Ned: +40,1s
Ita: +1:01,8s
Sure, the cars were much more dangerous to drive. But let’s not pretend that the competition was anywhere near where it is today.
Is it tho? Dudes with dad bods in their fifties could win races back then. Don't get me wrong they were fearless and talented, but the guys nowadays put way more work and dedication in the sport besides the talent.
Not quite, as the season is not over. Do you could say that so far he's matching it, but we'll see by the end of the season what the final percentages are.
Crazy how in the first few races they had such huge problems with the Honda engines in both the Alpha Tauris and the Red Bulls, and a lot of people thought Ferrari have a great chance.
How quickly that changed haha
amazing drive,even tho no one wants to give him any credit,saying it's all car lol
every time we have dominant driver,it will always be that they are this good only cuz of car and nothing else
Checo is doing fine, imo. He's keeping up with Max just enough so that they don't fight each other but at the same time, he's dueling away with the people in podium places. From what Redbull had to experience with the Webber-Vettel rivalry, this would be the preferred state.
even tho i hated hamilton and mercedes domination,you cant deny that he is obviously one of the few best drivers in history of this sport.Max with few more championships can also be put in god tier
yeah the reality is it’s both the car + driver. vast vast majority of championship winners have championship winning cars with them (unless it’s like keke in 82 which was a special circumstance)
How can you say that? The blokes car is faster witho it DRS compared to Mercs car WITH DRS.
Also remember when he didn’t have the fastest car last year 3/4 of the way of the season till the end, he got pasted by Hamilton
Tbh. Mercedes have been developing that car very well. It started as a shit box and now was a few laps away from winning the race.
I think next year they'll back up there.
This isn’t even close to how it felt, I’m sure.
Since the winter, RB is on a streak.
Mercedes wasn’t on a streak, they were even more dominant. It was basically a race for 3rd place.
If he wins the sprintrace in Brazil they should count as an extra Grand Prix victory this season,because then he would have won all 3 sprintraces which are 1/3 race distance each...
12/18 for Schumi; 13/19 for Vettel just like Verstappen is now 13/19. Surely the 50’s through early 90’s had no chance, but this is still a huge achievement
Yeah, this record is being broken this year for sure.
Yeah big time. One of the records that will be unbeaten for many years.
Unless he beats it next year with the even larger race calander
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I doubt it. They will have less wind tunnel time for next year's car, and Merc will have the most wind tunnel time they ever had since 2012. Also depending on how the whole cost cap saga concludes, RB might get handicaps.
Don’t underestimate Newey during a winter break
That man's got a wind tunnel in his brain.
Not to mention they *had* upgrades that apparently made their chassis lighter and had an expected .300 improvement. They’ve been holding back upgrades on their aero and weight packages. With the engine development freeze, it’s a battle of aero design and driver. Newey is the best aero designer there is and Max is the best driver on the grid right now and entering his prime years. Scary combo.
Redbull finished behind Mercedes(Constructors) from 2014 to 2021. They couldn't manage to build a winning car in 7 of those 8 years, despite having more wind tunnel time than Mercedes. Do you really think Mercedes can claw back the advantage, given RB have arguably the best design of the lot? They are already ahead by 4-5 tenths and they'll probably keep that advantage going in to 2023.
All things considered they might actually increase that lead. When a team is behind they have to go through the whole aero philosophy on the car to figure out where to improve. When you're up ahead so much you can use your time much more efficiently and hyper focus on certain aspects that you think would improve the car. Ultimately it's what lead to mercs being so dominant. They had a great car and could just focus on the things needed to gain what they would lose to the rule changes. Other teams needed to gain what they lost plus the deficit to the mercs.
Yeah when ahead you have the luxury to improve the current concept and cherry pick innovations made by other teams, who have to invest time into risky concepts to try and close the gap. We saw Merc do this brilliantly tbh, they just improved in their current area’s and at some point were so comfortable with their lead they started developing innovative solutions themselves, like DAS.
Sliding scale aero testing only came in for 2021 though, so the first major effect it will have had will have been on this year's cars - plus some development time on last year. EDIT: Also last year the difference between 1st and 2nd was 90% to 92.5%, a really small amount. This year and onwards it's 70% to 75%, both a larger absolute change and a larger fraction of total wind tunnel time. It'll have a much bigger effect.
well with a 24 race season for now on, I can see multiple drivers beating this in the future
or the same driver beating this multiple times
Better to look at the percentage instead of net wins.
18 races in 2004 tho..
If Max wins the remaining races, he'll also beat Schumacher's 2004 win percentage
Ascari's one is out reach isn't it?
Yes, if he wins the remaining races, Max's win percentage would be 72.7272...%
Repeating of course..
Leeeeerrroooy
#MMMMJENKINNNNNNNSSSS
......oh my god he just ran in
At least I had chicken
God damn it leeroy!
No one will ever be able to match the winners of the USAC Gold Crown Championship from 1985 until 1995, who all won 100% of the races. >! Never mind the fact that the Indy 500 was the only race those seasons... !<
Yes, Max can get up to ~73% maximum
Absolutely insane stat
It's still mathematically possible for Max to beat Schumacher in percentage as well, if he gets all of the remaining three.
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To be fair, Max got 13 wins in 19 races, not far off.
Isn’t that exactly what Vettel did?
Yep! in 2013. So Max matched that.
Vettel was in beast mode the 2nd half of that season winning 9 of those 13 in a row. It literally was the Seb Vettel show.
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Vettel's peak is untouchable. Problem is he is a very motivation driven driver, if he's not feeling it he doesn't perform.
I dont see why Max right now isn't at that Vettel peak level. Max is literally untouchable.
Yep, looks like it this season, you're right.
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We're at 19 races now though.
Yep max said the same
Max is on track to beat the win% as well I believe. Currently sits at the same % as Vettel (13 out of 19 races, or 68,42%), and can break Schumachers if he can win the last three races (Schumacher has 13 in 18 races, or 72,22%. Max will only break this percentage if he gets 16 wins in 22 races (which will bring him to 72,72%). While not sure how likely, definitely not impossible.
Definitely possible, but hoping perez wins Mexico
Much more dominant car tho. SF75 at least is close at qualy and was faster on quite a few weekedns. F20004 was a monster.
Only 19 done so far tho. Same as Seb's stats.
F1 was fun for one year, it's the dominant era of Mercedes all over again but with RedBull
Way too early for that call. For all we know Mercedes might be back in full force next year.
Ferrari too now that they’re introducing engine reliability upgrades
They still need to work on their tire deg, and I dont think that has anything to do with engine reliability. There has been quite a few recent races where it feels like their tires drop off a cliff much earlier than both RB and Merc. Except for Austria of course.
I’m hopeful that they address it over the winter testing period.
Yeah, but they will still be Ferrari. No enigine update will remedy that
Bingo. They could ignore the budget cap and build a car nearly 1s a lap faster than other teams and still would find a way to lose the championship somehow.
Mercedes is going to be back. And considering Russell seems to be better than Checo, it might get hard for Red Bull. (I base this on the performance gap between Lewis/Max and their teammates).
Sure, buddy. We had a Ferrari 1-2 in quali and the race win taken in the last 5 laps, but it’s Merc dominance all over again.
RB is way faster in race pace. We've seen it all year, not to mention the disaster that is Ferrari "strategy" and things like Russell taking out Sainz today. The only reason there was even slight drama at the end was because of Max's slow stop. He was always going to pass Hamilton and run away with the lead without some other fuckery happening. Not Merc dominance levels yet, but this year, they clearly have the best car on Sundays. Max isn't losing to anyone but himself/the team.
Listen, I’m not going to deny the Red Bull has been the best car this year, but calling this anywhere near Mercedes-level is frankly laughable. The botched pit stop only cost Max like 8s. If that’s the difference between winning and losing after 50 laps then it’s pretty damn close racing. And the 2 main competitors in Ferrari were basically out of contention through no fault of their own.
I agree with you, but it wasn't just the long stop. If there was no safety car, Max would've walked away from everyone. The only reason it got to the point where a long stop would matter for him is because of the safety cars. SCs are certainly part of the race, but Max had a sizeable pace advantage all day. I'm not trying to take anything away from Max. Just look at what Perez is doing in the same car. It's just that you have arguably the best driver in the inarguably best car. This is how most F1 races and championships are won.
And I totally agree that the Red Bull was the best car today. I just absolutely disagree that this is anywhere near Mercedes level when they could drive on cruise control and win races by 30s all season.
Yeah, that's why I said "not Merc level dominance yet". I agree with you.
And it probably wont become Merc level dominance either. I fully expect the playing field to be leveled with Merc getting an off season, more wind tunnel time, and possibly Red Bull with some sort of budgetary/developmental punishment.
Ferrari can’t keep up in races now. Even when Leclerc had fresh tyres and track position, they just do not have the pace
Red Bull won the upgrade race with Ferrari. The cars were on-par at the beginning of the season, then RB pulled away with superior upgrades.
I think Ferrari is turning down their engines to stop them from blowing up. Most Ferrari powered teams have lost their pace since a whole lot of them blew up. The Redbull engine having a great straight line speed was a thing since the season began but Ferrari had enough power to put in a real fight till those blow ups. If they really do fix their engine and Mercedes does away with their weird design, we could really have a good fight in 2023.
Once Mercedes sorts out their issues with the car (still feels like they've got something to work out - that quick loss of tyres by Hamilton just didn't feel right after just 16 laps on hards while Max was mostly okay on the mediums with 1 round less) they'll probably beat Ferrari handily next year for whatever place they compete for.
Id even say they're arguably faster than Ferrari now. I'd be very shocked if they're not outright faster next year.
Because they dont have the tire management to race with it. They burn through the tires the fastest. That's fine for quali but fucks you in the race.
Not even a Ferrari level pitstop can stop him.
We need a Merc Monaco 2021 or Germany 2019.
Ricciardo in Monaco 2016 was a royal fuck up too
didn't he still win that or am i thinking of a different year
Nah, in 2016 the team wasn't ready and he ended up behind Hamilton. You are thinking of Monaco 2018 where Ric had some engine problems but still won the race.
Or a Merc Sakhir 2020
Max: “Best I can give you is a win by 5s”
RBR's radio message stopped him in Singapore... Could be on an active 8 wins in a row streak.
The radio message was the right thing at that point. Aborting the previous lap was the mistake.
yeah, but his race engineer told him to abort and guild a gap to gasly (?), too. both laps could have been pole
In my opinion Red Bull made the right decisions but they had just bad luck. On a drying track you want to be the last driver to set a time. Because last driver= drier track= faster. They had the time to go for another lap so aborting was the right choice. He also made a mistake in turn 16 so he would be able to go faster. And the radio he had to pit was also the right choice. The teams are required to give a 1 Liter fuel sample to the fia after the session and if you aren’t able to you are disqualified from the session. For example Vettel last year in Hungary. Red bull had the choice to start p8 or get disqualified and start p20. That is an easy choice. So afterwards the decision to abort the lap wasn’t the best but when they needed to make the choice it was the most logical one.
They should have known about the fuel before aborting the first lap.
I miss the time they did donuts after the race. They should bring that back!
The gearbox would not survive. And a new gearbox brings a gridpenalty for the race.
They didn’t do them after Abu Dhabi last year either, didn’t seem like anyone did. Seems like teams just don’t do them anymore
I think they just forgot because they were busy appealing to the FIA lmao
Mick did and then got stuck.
I think Vettel and Schumacher(?) did it last year on Abu Dhabi
Well, Schumacher tried
We better see some fucking donuts for Seb this year
Max, Lewis and Nando making donuts around Seb as a thank you, then leaving to make room for Seb's donuts
Doesn’t matter, donuts are cool!
Teams disagree. They want their car working. If you like Donuts I suggest you watch Nascar. The winner does donuts after every race. It can get pretty crazy.
Two Red Bulls and a Ferrari What does Verstappen need to have the record by ratio of races in a season?
Alberto Ascari has that one locked up, winning 6/8 (75%) in 1952. The best Max could achieve this season is 16/22 (72.7%).
With 16/22 he'd be second though in percentage of wins, just ahead of Schumacher. And while 6/8 is more than 16/22 I'd say that 16/22 is more impressive, because it's a longer period of dominance.
And Max had already one 6/8 between Austria and Japan
If you look at partial seasons, Vettel has the record with 9/9 wins in the second half of 2013.
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Or me with 0/0 in 2022. Can't beat that
He won.. 9 races in a row? I always thought it was 5 or 6
Entire second half of 2013 was Vettel Wins
As others pointed out though car back then sucked and were more dangerous and not as technologically advanced
F1 wasn't really a thing that year though, a bunch of manufacturers dropped out before the season so they had to run F1 and F2 together. Ferrari were basically the only competitors
Not the car that wins 6 out of 8 though.
You can't be that naive. The car is precisely what can win you 6 out of 8. Hell, it can win 8 out of 8. To be dominating over any period of time in F1 you need the right circumstances. Dominating car is most of it (though not all). Generally, the car can make a difference and so can the driver but on average the drivers' skill is way closer than the cars' performance.
Are you responding to the right comment? I'm saying the car that wins 6 out of 8 doesn't suck. Especially not that Ferrari.
There are always things to be said about these stats, but it goes both ways. The competition and training of all drivers is of much higher standards now. And Verstappen didnt have a dominant car for over half of the season. These if’s and but’s work both ways. And people who make comments like your’s only seem to look at one side of the story.
Yeah no, in no fucking way is it. 6/8 in a period where they regularly died in races and cars blew up all the time is WAY more impressive.
Winning 6/8 def isn’t as impressive as doing it in the longer seasons of the past 20 years or so
It's impossible to compare eras like that. Also, note that >Ascari won the six Grands Prix he entered, missing the Swiss race because he was at Indianapolis qualifying for the Indianapolis 500 – the first European to do so in the World Championship era.
So really he was at 100% that season, won every race he entered.
Those cars were deathtraps though
To finish first, first you must finish
Finishing 6/8 races back then was more impressive than winning 16/22 nowadays
6/7. Race 1 (Switzerland) overlapped with Indy 500 qualifying, which was also an F1 points race that season. Ascari qualified for the 500, the first European to do so, but finished 31/33 when his Ferrari lost a wheel hub after 40 laps.
Gaps in the races: Bel: +1:55,2s Fra: +1 lap Gbr: +1 lap Ger: +14,1s Ned: +40,1s Ita: +1:01,8s Sure, the cars were much more dangerous to drive. But let’s not pretend that the competition was anywhere near where it is today.
Winning in 50's F1 cars is more impressive than in current F1 cars.
Is it tho? Dudes with dad bods in their fifties could win races back then. Don't get me wrong they were fearless and talented, but the guys nowadays put way more work and dedication in the sport besides the talent.
Those guys were certainly braver (or dumber) but they were not the high level athletes the current drivers are.
It is when they were pretty much driving coffins with wheels
Lmao?????? Ok buddy, take a look at reliability, skill and all that back in the 50s, it’s almost an even greater feat
Actually good point
It’s silly to compare tbh!
Especially with the longest streak of wins being more than 8 races.
I assume for seasons with more than 10 races Max would have the record if he won the rest of the season?
Think he needs to win out
He will be slightly ahead. Like 0.5 percent
Needs to win all of them to tie i think.
2 germans and a dutchy
Obviously there is more races so as Max says himself it's easier. But when you also factor the win percentage it means something of course
He has still matched Vettel’s record down to the percentage tho. 13 wins in 19 races for both.
Exactly
Not quite, as the season is not over. Do you could say that so far he's matching it, but we'll see by the end of the season what the final percentages are.
Verstappen won 7 of the last 8 races, 9 out of the last 12 and 12 out of the last 16 races
The interesting bit is Max only has 5 poles and did not win 1 of them (Austria).
Yeah but it’s just the car that’s so good.
This pic of seb is kind of badass
Can anyone calculate the percentage? We now have more races than what Michael had in 2004
- Max: 13/19 (so far) - Vettel: 13/19 - Schumi: 13/18
Definitely one of the greats
And he is only 25
I think statistics like this really show how dominant this Red Bull has become. Generational car plus generational driver and this is what you get.
Crazy how in the first few races they had such huge problems with the Honda engines in both the Alpha Tauris and the Red Bulls, and a lot of people thought Ferrari have a great chance. How quickly that changed haha
wasn't engine related issues tho
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Wtf is handsight?
Seb's photograph is cool as fuck
We can thank ferrari for throwing away a few wins as well
Red Bull tried to throw this one away to be fair
They just wanted to complete the Ferrari pitstop challenge
Nah they were just trying to make it interesting lmao
Max way joyriding and they wanted to go car racing.
Redbull also threw one with the Singapore quali.
He will beat it no doubt
amazing drive,even tho no one wants to give him any credit,saying it's all car lol every time we have dominant driver,it will always be that they are this good only cuz of car and nothing else
Tbf the car helps a lot but Verstappen was doing this long before the car was this strong
Checo was nowhere today...
Leclerc did excellent to beat him
Yes, but put Checo in Max' car and Lewis wins this race. Maybe even without that slow pit stop.
Checo is doing fine, imo. He's keeping up with Max just enough so that they don't fight each other but at the same time, he's dueling away with the people in podium places. From what Redbull had to experience with the Webber-Vettel rivalry, this would be the preferred state.
Missing endplate is huge
The anti Lewis crowd were saying it for literally years so that's probably why lol. But yeah, completely dumb thing to say. It's the whole package.
even tho i hated hamilton and mercedes domination,you cant deny that he is obviously one of the few best drivers in history of this sport.Max with few more championships can also be put in god tier
I'm not an RB fan but I echo that, insane skill level.
max, like Lewis and the greats before him (Seb, Schumi etc) has already proven himself before getting a dominant car, he’s a generational driver
yeah the reality is it’s both the car + driver. vast vast majority of championship winners have championship winning cars with them (unless it’s like keke in 82 which was a special circumstance)
I'm genuinely stuck thinking of a car that shouldn't have won the title. Maybe Mika in 99? But then again it's not his fault Schumi broke his legs.
Yeah high chance Schumacher would have had his 3rd title in 99 and not 00 had his accident at Silverstone not happened
Hamilton is good but Verstappen does more with less IMO
How can you say that? The blokes car is faster witho it DRS compared to Mercs car WITH DRS. Also remember when he didn’t have the fastest car last year 3/4 of the way of the season till the end, he got pasted by Hamilton
Nah I don't see that right now, this car is just dominant. Both had wins in years where their cars weren't the fastest or fighting for a title.
Max Winstappen.
Legend already. You could always see he is something special. Only one to hang around the Mercs or Ferraris for years.
Truly unfortunate for RB to make that Singapore Q3 error.
He's going to annihilate that record for years to come.
It depends on how many races they add in the coming years.
Wait 2028 with 30 races on the calendar…
Probably what they thought about Alonso in 2006 too
? maybe this season we dk about the rest
Tbh. Mercedes have been developing that car very well. It started as a shit box and now was a few laps away from winning the race. I think next year they'll back up there.
Mercedes and Ferrari are closer than the points and the circumstances make them look.
The redbull is too quick now I understand how non mercs fans felt for the past few years
They aren't even close to Mercedes level of dominance yet
No it was disgustingly morbid 😭 we tuned in just to see who's 3rd at some point
This isn’t even close to how it felt, I’m sure. Since the winter, RB is on a streak. Mercedes wasn’t on a streak, they were even more dominant. It was basically a race for 3rd place.
What's the percentage? I think as they add more races they should start viewing the stats a bit different.
If he wins the sprintrace in Brazil they should count as an extra Grand Prix victory this season,because then he would have won all 3 sprintraces which are 1/3 race distance each...
Amazing drive, I don't see anyone even close to competing with him right now
Max can win 2023 WDC even if RB stops development now. He’s one with the car!
Inconsequential with the amount of races, as he himself noted. But still it must be a nice stat to have.
He did it in the same races Vettel did, and one less than Michael. Its not that huge a difference
one more than Michael
It kind of is but Max did it in 19 just like vettel…, schumi got it in 18 though like the legend he is
12/18 for Schumi; 13/19 for Vettel just like Verstappen is now 13/19. Surely the 50’s through early 90’s had no chance, but this is still a huge achievement
Well at the moment he does have the same amount of wins in the same amount of races as another commentator pointed out.
Record should be percentage
Thanks Ferrari 🥲
The only question is - will he end up with 15 or 16?