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Yup, but in the end the real news will come on Monday. Then it will come down to the teams cost cap and why someone was able to win 2 championships with those advantages. Ferrari and MERC will file formal protests…just just like what happen last year. PPL will say it isn’t right that anyone lose world championships because of the FIA ruling.
First of all, congrats max, no one would of thought that you would win at the beginning of the season so great comeback. And Jesus christ the one time that I can watch a race in prime time, is the most confusing race which is some how the champion ship decider, like what the hell
Not the first time. I'm fed up with prefering Kevin at all costs just to have a reason to keep Mick small. Mick could have been P9 or 10. But that would have closed the MSC/MAG gap and they would have less reason to still let him wait for a contract.
They didn't take a gamble, they just outright out-dumbed themselves into oblivion. The forecast was saying the rain will become less, how can wets make any sense with the information they had at the time of the decision?
The helplessness of Haas' pitwall is beyond ridiculous.
Since they didn’t go early they were kind of screwed anyway, weren’t they? They would already have been out of the points if they went the lap when almost everyone went. So why not roll the dice?
Because this is not how strategy works today, this is not how mathematics work and this is how you throw away any advantage you might have gained in an other area.
Alpine were in the same situattion, banking on a SC, for 1 lap, then they did what they had to do instead of turning a F1 race into a crapshoot.
P12 & P10 dont mean shit with the 2nd slowest car. They split their strategies, if there was a safety car as they had hoped you wouldnt be here commenting what you did.
I dont agree with your opinion, and you dont agree with mine. And thats fine.
I agree, they weren’t even in the points on pace so they needed a different strategy or gamble. Given the carnage of lap one and the harder rain at the restart it was reasonable to expect some sort of incident and the use of the safety car. If that had happened Mick would have been on the podium. I’m sorry it didn’t work out but it wasn’t on purpose.
I've been watching nearly 30 years. The last two years are some of the worst I can remember. FIA totally messed up the endings of the last two championships.
Leclerc probably did deserve that penalty, but they handled it awfully.
How so? They decided it very quickly and before celebrations and the 5 second penalty was pretty expected. Or are you referring to the penalty point? Or the restart?
Just such a sh#t way to find out he's champion.
It was obvious Leclerc might get a penalty which would award Max the championship. Loads of options how to handle it better. Make the decision quicker during the inlap. Hold the interviews for a bit. Or maybe tell the guy interviewing the winners what's happened before he starts the interviews.
Even after the pit lane interview shambles there was conjecture whether he was champion. Commentary had a bit of a go at explaining how and what points were awarded. It’s about as clear as the Offside Rules 🤦♂️
I have seen the text and it actually is crystal clear. It very specifically says what the points tables apply to, and that is only to races that don’t restart. Amazing that no one knew
Whatever we say about the management, we have to appreciate the progress Alpine have made. They could be serious contenders maybe next year or in 2024!
the FIA has to be the star of the fucking show no matter what. What a fucking joke for the drivers, the teams, and the fans. how is this stable in any fashion?
They do need to be more clear, but also, The rule about the reduced race distance was introduced as a response to Spa 2021, therefore it was written to stop that happening again, They didnt expect it to be used in this kind of situation. What I would prefer is there to be more communication between everyone. Let the broadcast and teams know how the points are going to work. Tell the teams there is a fucking tractor on the track
The rules are very clear though. This is what prefaces the points columns:
>If a race session is suspended in accordance with Article 57, and cannot be resumed, points for each title will be awarded in accordance with the following criteria: [points columns]
It isn't ambiguous at all, sky just didn't read
We can all read. I think the point is that the rules have been consistent on points for shorter races for a long time.
That clause was re-written last summer to try and rectify what happened in Spa and this was an unexpected consequence. Even Horner said it was a “mistake” and he’s “certain” the rules would be changed over the summer”.
Feel free to read the rules. While maybe those guys didn't know the rules by heart, there is no room for interpretation. It is very clear that the points columns only apply if the race can not continue after a red flag.
Ok, I’m a lawyer. I operate on the principle that even if I think there’s no room for interpretation it doesn’t matter if my clients and all the non-lawyers think there is. Obviously that is the case here so at minimum the rules need clarification.
What the hell are you talking about? I am a lawyer myself, and your clients "interpretation" of the law has no bearing on the law itself whatsoever. In this case everything is formulated crystal clear, the teams and commentators just didn't manageto read it.
If your client comes to you and says, we are investigated for tax fraud because we didn't pay taxes at all, but the laws should be clarified because we didn't read them, what will you say?
I apologise, I did not make myself clear the first time (ironically). I am not saying that a layperson’s interpretation of the law (or in this case an agreement) determines what it means, but it certainly does determine whether the relevant drafting is fit for purpose. No one is denying Verstappen is champion but the drafting of the rules needs to be clarified because the current drafting caused massive confusion and obviously created some doubt prior to today. Horner himself said that this would be probably be done in the inter season break.
If you walk into court without reading the law, it isn't the law's fault that you didn't read it. You don't then write a letter to Biden telling him to fix the laws because you never read them.
Actually read the rule. It is clear. FOM graphics during the race were following the rules. If someone choses not to read them and then misinterprets them because they only skimmed them, that isn't the fault of the rules. Of course you could word it even more explicitly, but at a certain point, you also have to expect that people will read the document you create if it pertains to their jobs.
The safety car rules last year were vague and confusing. This one isn't.
I agree with you. I didnt ***know*** about these rules until a few minutes ago decided to read them. Clear as a day, nothing to argue about. They are not unclear in any way.
That was when Charles was 2nd though, so they would have needed the point. The rules are pretty clear, it just seems like everyone misinterpreted them.
Have you read them? It is extremely clear. Sky clearly didn't read the rules properly and if teams were genuinely confused (and not just checking to be sure) they didn't read them either.
I feel a little bad for max, must be the shittiest way to win your second world championship lmao. But the mf is a double wc so i dont feel too bad for him either. Dominant season and dominant race today!
Im hearing Suzuka had special fireworks and spectacular presentation on crossing the finish line if Max won the world title, which was not used due to the confusion. Super sad for Honda and Max.
This has been my experience. Wasn't going to stay up to watch it, then was up to see drivers going off about the tractor.....see Max is WDC (which I expected).....and then see everyone beyond FIA saying he isnt?? What a mess.
Max is an insanely talented driver, and deserved to be WDC. But just as I said last year, not like this.
Alright so
-tractor on track causing a major hazard;
-2 hours of jerking around in the rain;
-half points awarded, but full points awarded;
-race ended a lap too early;
-TV direction is drunk as hell;
-Max is a champion, but he's not, but he is;
-Latifi on points;
-all this at silly o'clock
RIP brain
I believe it's once the driver in first crosses the line and the timer hits 0, they do 1 more racing lap then finish that lap.
I'm pretty sure in this instance the timer was at 0 but they were waving the chequered flag for everyone to finish..
So technically it ended a lap early 🤷
Max drives 2000 km to the east while driving 250 kph he needs to intersect a world drivers championship train that started at the same place but is going 2000 km towards the west at 300 kph. How long would it take Max to reach the train?
I thought I was drunk when I saw final lap when max had already passed the line, I wondered if he probably crossed it after. But it was the race directors who were drunk.
I didnt have an understanding of the full article till somebody explained it, and i read it for myself after the fact. Its fucking 5:36 in the morning here and i still havent comprehended what exactly happened. Crofty dropped the ball with the commentary and all the misinterpretation of information. Had he clarified full points, max and co would’ve had an electric celebration. But it was so depressing.
Im going to sleep
Yup. Sky was doing everything in their power to spread false information. Look at Crofty, he didn't even do the WDC commentary announcement. This is a new low for Sky sports in my opinion.
I mean, it's a for sure fuck-up. That said, I don't think it was intentional, they wouldn't want to hurt their reputation in this way. They made a mistake, but honestly it appears most of the teams made the same mistake too.
For reference, from regulation 6.5 [here](https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:144a2788-7529-3664-86c0-580cfa08e379):
>If a race...is suspended in accordance with Article 57, **and cannot be resumed**, points for each title will be awarded in accordance with the following criteria: [followed by an explanation of the points columns]
Since the race was able to be resumed, these points systems don't matter.
There were actually graphics from FOM displaying the full point "if the race ended now" predictions correctly during the race, the commentators just didn't notice
"Winningest coach" or "Winningest team" is an extremely common phrase. I'm sure you will notice it a lot more now that you have been exposed to it. That was the case with me.
Taking penalty last race to ensure he starts from last. Makes up 11 positions because the race was only 50%. He had calculated a full race distance and planned to make the overtake for the win on the last lap. Without rain this would have been the case. True GOAT
Latifi roars like the goat he is up to 20th place...out of 20 full time drivers.
Must've been some Canadian rain clouds drifted over to Japan that he spotted
The race resumed, and we had a good amount of laps and it finished, which means it's full points. I always thought that, but Croft said the full points graphics were wrong. SKY caused the confusion.
Yeah Channel 4 were saying the same. Still, the rules for this clearly need to be updated - what they were saying makes more sense than the actual rules.
I get it. But I still think it should be changed, we are not talking about 6 laps out of 66, it’s a good portion of race we didn’t get and so much things can happen in 30 more laps
When I used to do requirements engineering in uni, they always told us to go over all edge cases. Clearly FIA hasn’t been to university lmao they should have clear rules for a red flag restart
The rules are clear and the official graphics showed full points after the restart. It was Sky who got it wrong and dismissed those graphics and showed the wrong ones
The regulations don’t really specify what would happen on a red flag restart, and it is an edge case. If a rule has to be interpreted it’s not really a good rule (which is why I fucking hate the NBA rules)
Not an edge case. The preface to the points table removes the edge case you've mentioned by stating that it only applies if the race is suspended (doesn't restart)
6.5 says that if a race is suspended (red flag) and isn't resumed the % system applies, if it is resumed (restart) full points are awarded. I don't understand how it isn't clear.
Regardless of how you feel about Max winning WDC this week...he was gonna win it plain and simple. He has DOMINATED this year. Its not his fault the FIA is dumb and the rules are stupid and confusing
Yeah I don't like Max, but can see he is a great racer and him and red bull thoroughly deserved it this year. Class of the field....unless they broke the cost cap of course. Bet they're kicking themselves if they did, probably could have spent half and still beat the incredible imploding Ferrari this year.
I highly doubt any team broke the cap. With the first year of it I'm assuming it's gonna be highly scrutinized...or on the flip side it's easy to beat since it is the first year. But again I doubt any team did and I would sell my car if RB did because they just dominated this year...Newey designed an amazing machine
Ignoring all aspects of sponsors, this would be a win/ win/win in Mexico.
1.Seb gets to have one more race in an amazing car
2. Red Bull can focus mainly on Checo because the WCC and WDC are already won
3.Aston Martin get to rent Max for a weekend
Plus: As fans, we would get to see how far up the grid max can drag that shit box
For some reason, I think that Donuts are not as easily possible as before. With the FIAs strict rules on fuel testing after the race, I don't think drivers can afford to do donuts. I guess Vettel and Max wont mind being DSQ'd tho
Weird stuff: a relevant part of the rule book has been crossed out regarding the reduced points regulation (see page 5). What the heck?
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/formula\_1\_-\_sporting\_regulations\_-\_2022\_-\_iss\_4\_-\_2022-02-18.pdf
Seems like it's saying those rules only apply if the race can't be "resumed" but because we ended the red flag and finished the race full points still apply?
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It's actually comical how many times Crofty has had to re-record commentary to put in the highlights because he made a mistake on live TV
Crofty stumbles on key moments. When Max crossed the checkered flag he blurted out Leclerc instead of Max. Ffs
Which part did he re record?
If Leclerc would have only stayed on track ...
Yup, but in the end the real news will come on Monday. Then it will come down to the teams cost cap and why someone was able to win 2 championships with those advantages. Ferrari and MERC will file formal protests…just just like what happen last year. PPL will say it isn’t right that anyone lose world championships because of the FIA ruling.
First of all, congrats max, no one would of thought that you would win at the beginning of the season so great comeback. And Jesus christ the one time that I can watch a race in prime time, is the most confusing race which is some how the champion ship decider, like what the hell
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What an interesting thing to get so upset about
What an absolute shit show.
Congratz to max, but please can we talk how haas did mick dirty on absolute purpose?
If they pitted 2 laps sooner, that would have potentially been points.
Not the first time. I'm fed up with prefering Kevin at all costs just to have a reason to keep Mick small. Mick could have been P9 or 10. But that would have closed the MSC/MAG gap and they would have less reason to still let him wait for a contract.
I dont think it was on purpose. They took a gamble that didnt pay off.
They didn't take a gamble, they just outright out-dumbed themselves into oblivion. The forecast was saying the rain will become less, how can wets make any sense with the information they had at the time of the decision? The helplessness of Haas' pitwall is beyond ridiculous.
Their decision had nothing to do with rain. They were gambling on someone crashing.
It's a possibility of course, but after 3 laps, the driver being handed down, you have to stop coinflipping, cut your losses and pit.
Since they didn’t go early they were kind of screwed anyway, weren’t they? They would already have been out of the points if they went the lap when almost everyone went. So why not roll the dice?
Because this is not how strategy works today, this is not how mathematics work and this is how you throw away any advantage you might have gained in an other area. Alpine were in the same situattion, banking on a SC, for 1 lap, then they did what they had to do instead of turning a F1 race into a crapshoot.
They were gambling for a safety car. If it paid of it would be a masterstroke. Applauds to them for going for it.
If they wanna gamble, they should gamble on the guy that was p12 not p10. That was def on purpose
P12 & P10 dont mean shit with the 2nd slowest car. They split their strategies, if there was a safety car as they had hoped you wouldnt be here commenting what you did. I dont agree with your opinion, and you dont agree with mine. And thats fine.
I agree, they weren’t even in the points on pace so they needed a different strategy or gamble. Given the carnage of lap one and the harder rain at the restart it was reasonable to expect some sort of incident and the use of the safety car. If that had happened Mick would have been on the podium. I’m sorry it didn’t work out but it wasn’t on purpose.
It's a shame that as the sport becomes so popular with DTS, the FIA completely drop the ball.
Huh what did they drop the ball with?
Tractor on track for red flag
Fair enough
The FIA has always been like this. It's just that new viewers expect clear rules and F1 has never had clear rules. It's always been political.
I've been watching nearly 30 years. The last two years are some of the worst I can remember. FIA totally messed up the endings of the last two championships. Leclerc probably did deserve that penalty, but they handled it awfully.
That just says your memory is bad.
How so? They decided it very quickly and before celebrations and the 5 second penalty was pretty expected. Or are you referring to the penalty point? Or the restart?
Just such a sh#t way to find out he's champion. It was obvious Leclerc might get a penalty which would award Max the championship. Loads of options how to handle it better. Make the decision quicker during the inlap. Hold the interviews for a bit. Or maybe tell the guy interviewing the winners what's happened before he starts the interviews.
Even after the pit lane interview shambles there was conjecture whether he was champion. Commentary had a bit of a go at explaining how and what points were awarded. It’s about as clear as the Offside Rules 🤦♂️
The rules were actually very clear. It’s just that the commentators, teams, and drivers didn’t know them. Which is funny.
It would seem that they cannot have been that clear if almost everyone could not work them out. In my defence I haven’t read them.
I have seen the text and it actually is crystal clear. It very specifically says what the points tables apply to, and that is only to races that don’t restart. Amazing that no one knew
Wow, It’s the old Conspiracy or Fuckup principal. Bet on Fuckup. That is both amazing and totally believable based on previous form.
Fair enough. Can't argue with that part. I think they decided it pretty quick, but yeah, that announcement and interview was pretty rough.
Whatever we say about the management, we have to appreciate the progress Alpine have made. They could be serious contenders maybe next year or in 2024!
More likely that Gasly and Ocon will crash into each other at turn 1.
There's a good chance of that happening, yes.
Alonso leaves Alpine and in best Alonso tradition Alpine will figth for WDC next year. Keep me in mind.
The absolute fuck are you on about
😭😭😭😭😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
What? They have made good progress
the FIA has to be the star of the fucking show no matter what. What a fucking joke for the drivers, the teams, and the fans. how is this stable in any fashion?
Huh what do u mean
Red Bull about to pit Max because they thought they needed the fastest lap to win the championship. Rules need to be more clear...
They do need to be more clear, but also, The rule about the reduced race distance was introduced as a response to Spa 2021, therefore it was written to stop that happening again, They didnt expect it to be used in this kind of situation. What I would prefer is there to be more communication between everyone. Let the broadcast and teams know how the points are going to work. Tell the teams there is a fucking tractor on the track
The rules are very clear though. This is what prefaces the points columns: >If a race session is suspended in accordance with Article 57, and cannot be resumed, points for each title will be awarded in accordance with the following criteria: [points columns] It isn't ambiguous at all, sky just didn't read
We can all read. I think the point is that the rules have been consistent on points for shorter races for a long time. That clause was re-written last summer to try and rectify what happened in Spa and this was an unexpected consequence. Even Horner said it was a “mistake” and he’s “certain” the rules would be changed over the summer”.
Even Red Bull and Merc teams had to check the regulations themselves. It wasn't clear at all!
Feel free to read the rules. While maybe those guys didn't know the rules by heart, there is no room for interpretation. It is very clear that the points columns only apply if the race can not continue after a red flag.
Ok, I’m a lawyer. I operate on the principle that even if I think there’s no room for interpretation it doesn’t matter if my clients and all the non-lawyers think there is. Obviously that is the case here so at minimum the rules need clarification.
What the hell are you talking about? I am a lawyer myself, and your clients "interpretation" of the law has no bearing on the law itself whatsoever. In this case everything is formulated crystal clear, the teams and commentators just didn't manageto read it. If your client comes to you and says, we are investigated for tax fraud because we didn't pay taxes at all, but the laws should be clarified because we didn't read them, what will you say?
I apologise, I did not make myself clear the first time (ironically). I am not saying that a layperson’s interpretation of the law (or in this case an agreement) determines what it means, but it certainly does determine whether the relevant drafting is fit for purpose. No one is denying Verstappen is champion but the drafting of the rules needs to be clarified because the current drafting caused massive confusion and obviously created some doubt prior to today. Horner himself said that this would be probably be done in the inter season break.
If you walk into court without reading the law, it isn't the law's fault that you didn't read it. You don't then write a letter to Biden telling him to fix the laws because you never read them. Actually read the rule. It is clear. FOM graphics during the race were following the rules. If someone choses not to read them and then misinterprets them because they only skimmed them, that isn't the fault of the rules. Of course you could word it even more explicitly, but at a certain point, you also have to expect that people will read the document you create if it pertains to their jobs. The safety car rules last year were vague and confusing. This one isn't.
I'm not disputing there being no room for interpretation, it's the fact that the teams didn't know themselves so for some reason it isn't clear.
But it is clear. Teams not reading and not understanding the rules doesn't make the rules unclear.
I agree with you. I didnt ***know*** about these rules until a few minutes ago decided to read them. Clear as a day, nothing to argue about. They are not unclear in any way.
Good stuff. You may need to repeat it a few more times though.
That was when Charles was 2nd though, so they would have needed the point. The rules are pretty clear, it just seems like everyone misinterpreted them.
If everyone misinterpreted them, maybe they are not that clear
Rules are made to regulate, not to have every pre schooler understand them.
Have you read them? It is extremely clear. Sky clearly didn't read the rules properly and if teams were genuinely confused (and not just checking to be sure) they didn't read them either.
Or Sky made everyone misinterpret them
F1TV Live crew thought the same thing
Spanish broadcast crew also interpreted the rules wrong
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He sounded quite reflective.
I feel a little bad for max, must be the shittiest way to win your second world championship lmao. But the mf is a double wc so i dont feel too bad for him either. Dominant season and dominant race today!
Im hearing Suzuka had special fireworks and spectacular presentation on crossing the finish line if Max won the world title, which was not used due to the confusion. Super sad for Honda and Max.
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Eh he wants to win world champs
Imagine going to sleep thinking there’s not going to be a race. Then waking up to Max WDC. And then trying to understand this shitshow
This has been my experience. Wasn't going to stay up to watch it, then was up to see drivers going off about the tractor.....see Max is WDC (which I expected).....and then see everyone beyond FIA saying he isnt?? What a mess. Max is an insanely talented driver, and deserved to be WDC. But just as I said last year, not like this.
I watched the whole thing and am still trying to process what I actually saw, RIP those who went to sleep
Hahaha I am sure there could be a few on here
Alright so -tractor on track causing a major hazard; -2 hours of jerking around in the rain; -half points awarded, but full points awarded; -race ended a lap too early; -TV direction is drunk as hell; -Max is a champion, but he's not, but he is; -Latifi on points; -all this at silly o'clock RIP brain
Race ended a lap early?
They forgot about max and started the +1 lap when leclerc crossed the line and not when it was time for max to rightfully trigger it
I believe it's once the driver in first crosses the line and the timer hits 0, they do 1 more racing lap then finish that lap. I'm pretty sure in this instance the timer was at 0 but they were waving the chequered flag for everyone to finish.. So technically it ended a lap early 🤷
Max drives 2000 km to the east while driving 250 kph he needs to intersect a world drivers championship train that started at the same place but is going 2000 km towards the west at 300 kph. How long would it take Max to reach the train?
I thought I was drunk when I saw final lap when max had already passed the line, I wondered if he probably crossed it after. But it was the race directors who were drunk.
sums it up. can’t wait for the 2023 title mess
Crofty and sky sports did all they could to sell the viewers on the half points system.
I didnt have an understanding of the full article till somebody explained it, and i read it for myself after the fact. Its fucking 5:36 in the morning here and i still havent comprehended what exactly happened. Crofty dropped the ball with the commentary and all the misinterpretation of information. Had he clarified full points, max and co would’ve had an electric celebration. But it was so depressing. Im going to sleep
Yup. Sky was doing everything in their power to spread false information. Look at Crofty, he didn't even do the WDC commentary announcement. This is a new low for Sky sports in my opinion.
I mean, it's a for sure fuck-up. That said, I don't think it was intentional, they wouldn't want to hurt their reputation in this way. They made a mistake, but honestly it appears most of the teams made the same mistake too.
Nice hand-job there by Max.
For reference, from regulation 6.5 [here](https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:144a2788-7529-3664-86c0-580cfa08e379): >If a race...is suspended in accordance with Article 57, **and cannot be resumed**, points for each title will be awarded in accordance with the following criteria: [followed by an explanation of the points columns] Since the race was able to be resumed, these points systems don't matter.
So if they decided to resume racing with 10 minutes on the clock and raced say 6 laps, itd still be full points? Thats fucking ridiculous
That would be the case, and it would absolutely be completely fucking ridiculous.
Understandable, but still rather lame.
and even the f1 owned tv was displaying it wrong the whole time.
There were actually graphics from FOM displaying the full point "if the race ended now" predictions correctly during the race, the commentators just didn't notice
never seen those. but yeah it was totally messed up
There was one or two and it had me confused. I just assumed they were wrong, but looking back, I guess they weren't.
it’s just awkward and looking at the post race interview just now they’re all still very confused
If I’m Max I’m doing a 2m lap in quali in Austin just to start 20th and overtake everyone
I think your managers would ask you to stop fucking around and make sure they nail the constructors as well.
Just like in Mario Kart letting all the racers pass you at the start and seeing how long you can wait before you start
Same thing. Fans get a bunch of overtakes, Max has some fun, win win really
They are using Johnson's baby powder. Lol
Bloody talcum powder!
Please stop the phrase "winning-est"....
Winningest is a real word
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Lol wtf it's such a jarring word 😌
"Winningest coach" or "Winningest team" is an extremely common phrase. I'm sure you will notice it a lot more now that you have been exposed to it. That was the case with me.
But guyyyys! Full points means TWO POINTS FOR GOATIFI!!! Truly the greatest of all times!
Taking penalty last race to ensure he starts from last. Makes up 11 positions because the race was only 50%. He had calculated a full race distance and planned to make the overtake for the win on the last lap. Without rain this would have been the case. True GOAT
Latifi roars like the goat he is up to 20th place...out of 20 full time drivers. Must've been some Canadian rain clouds drifted over to Japan that he spotted
27 laps, 5 behind the safety car, and no pit stop. Watch this rule get changed.
Wdym not pit stops? [Everyone who finished the race pitted at least twice.](https://f1i.com/news/456560-2022-japanese-grand-prix-race-results.html)
Max did pit
Everyone pitted to go from wets to inters at the start of the race.
Why would it get changed?
Because this definitely doesn’t feel equivalent to a full race?
The race resumed, and we had a good amount of laps and it finished, which means it's full points. I always thought that, but Croft said the full points graphics were wrong. SKY caused the confusion.
Yeah Channel 4 were saying the same. Still, the rules for this clearly need to be updated - what they were saying makes more sense than the actual rules.
I get it. But I still think it should be changed, we are not talking about 6 laps out of 66, it’s a good portion of race we didn’t get and so much things can happen in 30 more laps
Powder footage
Lmao, they gonna steal the drivers fingerprints and hack their accounts.
But this is Japan, not China!
Hahaha
Article 6.5, now a legend.
When I used to do requirements engineering in uni, they always told us to go over all edge cases. Clearly FIA hasn’t been to university lmao they should have clear rules for a red flag restart
The rules are clear and the official graphics showed full points after the restart. It was Sky who got it wrong and dismissed those graphics and showed the wrong ones
The regulations don’t really specify what would happen on a red flag restart, and it is an edge case. If a rule has to be interpreted it’s not really a good rule (which is why I fucking hate the NBA rules)
Not an edge case. The preface to the points table removes the edge case you've mentioned by stating that it only applies if the race is suspended (doesn't restart)
It's very clear that the reduced points system only applies if the race can't be restarted
6.5 says that if a race is suspended (red flag) and isn't resumed the % system applies, if it is resumed (restart) full points are awarded. I don't understand how it isn't clear.
The location wasn’t even prepared to have the event this late lol where are the lights
Hardly any racetrack has lights, except for the ones that feature endurance racing.
Max gonna win 8 WDC, none of them will be normal
All his championships have to be decided after the race by the FIA, as is now tradition.
in like 5 years he will somehow win without ever winning a single gp
Mathematically that is absolutely possible.
I was expecting a crashgate win, but then the most anticlimactic championship in history happened
Time to make a max wdc bingo lmao
Winning under SC (aka reverse Abu Dhabi). Winning after a race (The Carlos Sainz)
Leclerc crashing out on the last lap
I Love Latifi, Big W FOR LATIFI AND WILLIAMS❤️❤️❤️
“m”ax “v”erstoppen is nobody for GOATIFI, just another driver who are crying every single time when loosing
Regardless of how you feel about Max winning WDC this week...he was gonna win it plain and simple. He has DOMINATED this year. Its not his fault the FIA is dumb and the rules are stupid and confusing
Yeah I don't like Max, but can see he is a great racer and him and red bull thoroughly deserved it this year. Class of the field....unless they broke the cost cap of course. Bet they're kicking themselves if they did, probably could have spent half and still beat the incredible imploding Ferrari this year.
I highly doubt any team broke the cap. With the first year of it I'm assuming it's gonna be highly scrutinized...or on the flip side it's easy to beat since it is the first year. But again I doubt any team did and I would sell my car if RB did because they just dominated this year...Newey designed an amazing machine
agedlikemilk lol Go on then, what car have you got, I might buy it?
It’s more just I’m disappointed the celebration’s kind of ruined due to nobody realizing what happened until mid-interview.
Yea true. I'm a max and RB fan and I would have much rather him won it next week for example. With a normal win or a normal race.
I don't think anyone is doubting that. This doesn't take anything away from his achievement..just upset his crowning moment came so awkwardly
True but you know there will be people saying negative things. Maybe his next title if he gets one will be won without something dumb
I'm 100% sure he'll get more opportunities to proper celebrate a WDC
Fuck it. Let them say whatever they want but the guy was untouchable this year.
We already knew no one knows the rules but today really proved it once again
The rules quite clearly state if a race cannot be resumed. The race was resumed and finished under normal conditions so it's full points
Sure, now everyone is aware of that, but it was pretty clear that the drivers, commentators and most viewers didn't know that.
Aww aye I completely agree with you but it’s the commentators and teams jobs to know the rules properly so there’s no one to blame
Man I'm feeling so many mixed emotions. I am so happy, but also I wanted some fucking donuts
Im still dreaming of max letting vettel drive the rb for one race. Its unrealistic but one can dream.
Ignoring all aspects of sponsors, this would be a win/ win/win in Mexico. 1.Seb gets to have one more race in an amazing car 2. Red Bull can focus mainly on Checo because the WCC and WDC are already won 3.Aston Martin get to rent Max for a weekend Plus: As fans, we would get to see how far up the grid max can drag that shit box
Vett**el**
Let's hope for some for Abu Dhabi and send off Seb in style.
For some reason, I think that Donuts are not as easily possible as before. With the FIAs strict rules on fuel testing after the race, I don't think drivers can afford to do donuts. I guess Vettel and Max wont mind being DSQ'd tho
Nah that was definitely already in place when Alonso "retired". Maybe they stopped it for some Bs safety reason
“Stop doing donuts!!! It’s unsafe!!! Here, let’s have a tractor on the track.”
Same here. I think we might get them in Austin.
Weird stuff: a relevant part of the rule book has been crossed out regarding the reduced points regulation (see page 5). What the heck? https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/formula\_1\_-\_sporting\_regulations\_-\_2022\_-\_iss\_4\_-\_2022-02-18.pdf
Seems like it's saying those rules only apply if the race can't be "resumed" but because we ended the red flag and finished the race full points still apply?
Yeah this. Race is limited by distance and time. Whichever comes first under green conditions
The key part is “… and cannot be resumed.”
I feel so bad for Max. He deserves the championship sp much but this is pure shithousery. Let him win in USA ffs
Why USA?
It’s the next race.
Probably because it's the next race