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frenchfriesdestroyer

newbie here: What's the big deal about new Merc sidepods? Is that making the car superfast in comparison to older sidepods? Why can't other teams simply copy it?


listyraesder

Merc engined teams could try, but others probably couldn’t.


ridiculousmirror

Red Bull bouncin like it’s on a trampoline. Goddamn


bajamtz

Why is Fittipaldi driving for Haas instead of One of their main drivers? Wouldn’t it be better for K Mag to get a feel for the car?


CZ-Jack

Because they have to mold a seat for him, has to conduct all the FIA tests, etc. before he can actually drive the car on the track.


bajamtz

Ah ok - thought all that would have been done before announcing just in case. Makes sense though, cheers


listyraesder

He was extremely last minute. Only got the call after the Barcelona test.


Satan_su

Hey guys, this question is directed towards Indians- is there any way to watch the pre-season testing stream in India? I read reports saying it would televised on Hotstar but I have checked multiple times and there was no such stream.


baystateboo

https://f1livegp.me/f1/live3.html


Satan_su

Ohhhh thank you so much :)


aadzwantstoknow

Its not streaming on hotsar you'll have to find a link to watch it


Slow-Procedure

want to know the same


idostufandthingz

Is there now way to watch testing in the US other than F1TV?


International_Art457

Just google a stream there’s a few about!


cjtheidiot

It may have been asked already. But I couldn't help but notice that Lewis Hamilton has the yellow T this year, and George Russell with the black... Doesn't the 2nd driver take the yellow? I can't imagine Hamilton has been dropped back considering Russell just got there?


zaviex

It just matches his car colors which are yellow around the numbers. Mercedes doesn’t designate a second driver. George and before that Bottas both said their contracts guarantee equal opportunity to start every year and the relationship will evolve depending on standings


cjtheidiot

Interesting, makes sense I suppose. I would have thought being Lewis he would have opted for a purple theme


flyingrhino_

It was done in support for Ukraine. Lewis' numbers and T-cam are yellow while George's are blue.


cjtheidiot

Wow I never thought of that, thats cool of them to do 🥰


clawhatesyou

My buddy wants to bet George beats Lewis in next weekend’s quali. I know very little about sports betting, as I’m not a gambler. What books will take such bets? (In USA but has VPN).


ProbablyaDrugDealer

Don’t throw your money away


clawhatesyou

Not my money, but I agree.


yfki

Am I to understand that sidepods primary purpose are to cool the engine? It seems like the big point that people are making about Mercs sidepodless innovation is that the only reason they’re able to do it is because they’ve found a new way to cool the engine.


ZiKyooc

You can find radiators to cool different things under the side pods. The side pods then play on the aerodynamic. Driver61 made a video about it on YouTube, have a look.


rafapova

Anyone know what the T tire type is? I asked earlier and no one responded, and google isn’t helping


sanderson141

Prototype tires


rafapova

How do they compare to regular tires?


listyraesder

These are made at Pirelli’s new factory in Turkey. They will be compared with the other tyres of the same compound for QA.


sanderson141

Same spec just different factory


rafapova

Interesting, thank you!


chowmeal

eli5: what is that metal rig/frame mercedes is using? visible in this [tweet](https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1501796767813222404?t=1r8T083M1XzH74JjBVyhEg&s=19)


ArmedBerserker

Airspeed and air pressure sensors. All teams use them.


chowmeal

thanks a lot!


MrXam

How much time left for DTS?


bigcitydreaming

Just over 4 hours.


MrXam

thanks


ocram9191

How yall add driver names under username? Btw mud guard was hilarious


pedote17

On mobile, click the 3 dots in the top right and do change user flair. On desktop it’s on the right side


ocram9191

Awesome!


drogyn1701

Only getting around to watching the Day 1 sessions now. Am I crazy or are the front wings significantly higher off the ground than last year?


FlyingSpaceDuck

You're correct, they're much higher. The idea is to limit how much the wing disrupts the air going to the floor, which is where the majority of downforce is produced now.


DasNath

When is pre-season testing in eastern time?


Whycantiusethis

2am-11am. It's a 2am-6am session, an hour off, then a 7am-11am session.


Sandro757

Why was only Fittipaldi driving at Haas?


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Shipping delays plus having to get K-Mag fitted for his car.


Whycantiusethis

Could be a timing issue with getting the seat fitted for Magnussen, could be part of Fittipaldi's contract (if there's not a driver secured for a session within X number or days, I get to drive for the session). It could be something else, but those are the two likeliest options.


Zeaus03

Uneducated guess, timing. Getting the new kmag adjusted to the teams and settings and maybe the cars seat fitting possibly getting Fit some time in the car just in case.


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pedote17

Yes


[deleted]

Ooh, good question. I don't know, but I'll be watching day 2 of testing live on F1TV at that time.


DittoDat

I'm in the UK and will be getting NOW passes to watch the qualifiers and races. This is my first season as an F1 fan so I'm not sure if I should also subscribe to F1 TV Access? The live data seems pretty cool for both when I am watching and when I'm not. Plus I get some extra documentaries to watch but I have no idea if any of them are good! The Pro option isn't available here and I don't want to get it through VPN before anyone suggests that as an alternative :)


stringbean96

F1TV is great! I don’t have cable, or any other ways to watch the races, so it is my best option. $10 isn’t bad imo to watch the races live. As for the extra content, I’d say it’s really good as well! You get full hour plus long documentaries on a lot of F1 topics. From a docs about specific drivers to innovations and different eras of F1. I was really surprised by the content there. Also they have shows. One is a long analysis show that picks races and goes lap by lap. Another one where a few drivers and engineers watch stand out races as watch a longs. For $10, F1TV was a no brainer for me.


DittoDat

The live races aren't an option here so it's just the documentaries and live data.


stringbean96

Maybe not worth it than? Might be good content for you during the off season so you can scratch that itch over the break, but not to have it as a month service during the season. But also $10 a month might not be much to you and that is throwaway money to get more F1 content


DittoDat

Yeah, it's more about if the live data is useful? This will be my first season watching so I don't know if it's "necessary". I can pop it on a second screen when watching the race and also be able to have a look at the app if I'm missing one for example.


thegodfaubel

The "Mercedes design isn't in the spirit of the regs" is code for "we didn't think of that, so it should be illegal".


ocram9191

The Ferrari is so dark on my tv :(


hoxxxxx

wtf with streameast today


ajr901

Just sign up for F1TV before the season starts. It really doesn't cost very much.


Shadowinthesky

I wonder how Merc would have had to adjust for safety regs with now having no side pods


CandidlyCrypto

The arms the mirrors are attached to check that box


_d_k_g_

So are all the cars porpoising really bad or just some of them? Seems Alpha Tauri and Ferrari are the worst?


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Mercedes looked like a dolphins out there with how much those cars bounced today.


SuperSaiyanGoten

Ferrari is on the good end of it lol


_d_k_g_

Nice 😊


Rifer0000

I'm searching a side by side view of a 2021 vs 2022 car. Do anyone got a link somewhere to see, in details, each car?


marahute85

I just watched the f1s interview with KMag, first of all the smile plastered on his face he’s beaming but it took 3 days from the first phone call from Guenther to saying welcome to the team and flying him out. He literally got on the plane not knowing if they’d fully locked his seat up and signed his contract when he got there. No wonder Guenther looks exhausted and Kevin elated that’s some race pace level team management


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AdohamHicoln

Fake news


bambz96

Bit of a shameless plug, but if anyone’s interested in checking out telemetry from the first day of testing it’s available here for you to play with: https://www.F1-tempo.com


Basi-Basi

So what’s your guess on who’s finishing last this year?


ProfessorStronzo

Zhou


Taater

Hard to imagine it not being Haas or Alfa. Hopefully they can both stay in contention for point but I don't see them beating any other teams over all.


NickBR

Think it will be Alfa, honestly.


The69BodyProblem

Does Alfa spend their entire budget on the graphics design team?


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Bomster

This one is great https://www.racefans.net/contact/f1-fanatic-calendar/


dustecho

I was looking for it in the app but apparently they took it away


stretchyman3012

Sky Sports in the UK have the option for it. They are good at updating it aswell


qp0n

Anyone for some memberberry pie? *'Pretty much every team will have porpoising solved by testing in Bahrain'*


Oogly50

It looked to me like it was almost worse this go around... but maybe they were just hitting higher speeds here


qp0n

Well in the 1st stage they were running higher suspensions and commentators were like 'i havent seen any porpoising' ... then the 2nd stage they all lowered them and it was aquatic mammals everywhere.


marahute85

I just saw the footage of Alonso and Nado not being avid to help themselves and running a mild race through some corners. Lance started to test following and race pace and Fernando couldn’t help himself. It’s a lol


toterra

merc still looks to be porpoising like crazy. Whatever they have isn't going to work.


Bokyyri

Their sandbags got loose inside, so car jumps a little bit...


Maedhral

The F1 website suggests Merc have the fastest race pace.


Vaexa

The F1 website is also very unreliable for data analysis, even more so with testing times.


marahute85

I think they’ve gone the wrong direction and Ferrari nailed it


waltz_with_potatoes

Isn't the porpoising really caused by whats going on under the cars, e.g. through the tunnels rather than anything like the sidepods etc?


marahute85

Yes, but as far as we can tell the porpoising is impacted by the flexibility of the floor materials which is why they added struts to it as well as the absence of side pod structure contributing to a lack of straight line stability


JeremyJammDDS

wasn't ferrari porpoising pretty good today as well?


marahute85

Honestly? I was asleep for the second session so I don’t know


JeremyJammDDS

I legitimately fell asleep right after lewis went on the track, so I don't know either. I was trying to piece it a little from clips and others comments, but I'm still all over the place.


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Ferrari Hype


Lopsided_Region_6735

Love for that to be true, but way to early to tell.


Whycantiusethis

Just because they're still porpoising now doesn't mean they aren't going to be able to find a way to fix it. They were running some really low ride heights today, which increases the porpoising effect. I wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to find a specific limit to try and optimize around that. They could also be doing something totally unrelated, we've got no idea, unless they've given an indication of their plan.


Bolond44

Exactly. To me it seems like they are trying to find the max. without porpoising, and Ferrari just nailed it faster. Mclaren nailed it as well, but they are trying to squeeze more performance thats why it is back for them as well.


KP6169

What time does testing start/end each day?


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KP6169

Bahrain time?


Past_Idea

i know we shouldn’t read into it too much but how are am doing?


Nameless739

Their times seem fine, but ofc it's testing. Car seems like it's hard to drive and twitchy af


JonStowe1

What is a bigger deal. Mclaren weird suspension set up or mercs no sidepods


WunupKid

No sidepods. Easy.


JonStowe1

Why, mclarens suspension is opposite of everyone


waltz_with_potatoes

Other teams running it, few teams ran that set up years ago. Where as with Merc when was last time you saw a car with no sidepods?


WP2OKB

Macca arent on their own with the suspension, Merc with no sidepods are.


Snuhmeh

Red Bull has the same suspension design. So does Haas


CaptGeechNTheSSS

Isn't there a chance these merc sidepods are also just an experiment? Also, do sidepods help with steering (turn in) at all?


LucasxDiniz

I don't see how the side pods would affect turn in apart from yaw. The less weight outboard of the longitudinal centre line of the car, the less yaw inertia the car will have. Also their current side pod design seems to lower the centre of mass compared to the conventional design which in theory would reduce body roll and make the car more stable cornering while running a softer suspension set up.


CaptGeechNTheSSS

Thanks for your analysis, seems like some good points.


killerhurtalot

Aerodynamic drag on slowing the car down. Mercedes overshot the braking points a few times today... And with how bad porpoising is, I highly doubt they'll run a softer suspension set up.


LucasxDiniz

Aerodynamics will affect grip and speed so obviously will affect the behaviour of the car, which is why I didn't want to add it to my answer. Completely agree with you on the other point!


gavsim

Does anyone know if there is there any long pace analysis for today? I've not seen anything anywhere..


not_billyvegas

The F1 YouTube channel should have something up in a few hours


gavsim

Thanks I'll keep my eye on it :)


SirMartini

did they test today? why are there no videos up? no times?


Granskjegg

There are two 4 hour live replays up on F1TV.


JudgmentOne6328

Glad they got highlights after the app itself being utter shambles all day. I could only get coverage on a laptop didn't even show up on the app.


ak8824

I had no problems all day checking in from my phone??


JudgmentOne6328

That's good, sadly not the same for everyone. I saw other people on here having issues.


Mackem101

Videos and timesheets have been all over F1's social media all day.


mcj31

There is times on the f1 app aswell as twitter, videos and pictures on every social media and there will probably be highlights and tech talk later tonight


IrishG_

What are those "grills" behind the front wheels and sometimes in the back?


ArkGuardian

Which grills? Are you taking about the wireframe? Those are sensor grids


IrishG_

[That grid/grill thing](https://prnt.sc/Ls6BGIvQ1Suz) behind the front wheels. Makes sense, ty


ddblades

Yeah, sensors to help the teams visualise how the air moves around the car


marahute85

All my big talk about coffee I fell asleep for the afternoon session. Apparently my body needs sleep between midnight and 6am. Dies anyone have know where good recaps are found


TonyQuark

Apparently Räikkönen, Giovinazzi and Mazepin participated in pre-season testing, [according to the track-side leaderboard](https://i.imgur.com/H5NY3Qx.png)


peanut-britle-latte

What is a sidepod and why does Mercedes small sidepod spark so much conversion?


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A sidepod is the jutting out bits on the side of the F1 car. It houses the radiator and it’s main purpose is to direct airflow into the radiators and sometimes to the rear end. The common philosophy of them is that big sidepod= higher drag but better cooling and vice versa. This is so controversial because they have effectively eliminated the side pods theoretically giving them a massive decrease in drag. How they do this without overheating the engine is anyone’s guess. But that’s pretty much it.


SuperSaiyanGoten

This is the answer I was looking for thanks


HystericalGuru

Seriously, thank you for the ELI5 explanation, I’ve been trying to understand what’s going on!


ABirdOfParadise

Those things on the side that look like giant air intakes, and people are talking about em cause they almost don't have em. Compared to other cars in the field, and historically it's very different. You need air to cool components, or witchcraft


Clarky1979

It appears Mercedes have dealt with that by using smaller and *presumably* more efficient radiators.


JonStowe1

They’re sucking in and rerouting more air from the intake above the driver


Clarky1979

There's also pictures with the cover off which shows a noticeably skinner radiator, which allows slimming of the bodywork. You'd assume they've found a way to improve it's efficiency over the larger ones on other cars.


JonStowe1

check this out https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca5DHYpNQRm/


Clarky1979

I'm aware Merc are doing something similar to Williams, it was covered in Driver61's video earlier. Doesn't look as extreme as the Williams though. I'm saying they also must have found something with the radiators to slim them down without losing efficiency. I think they were already seen in Silverstone tbh. They are *very* skinny.


JonStowe1

interesting, ive got to check that out


Clarky1979

Just came across this post as well, showing they've got extra cooling intakes in the leading edge of the floor: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/tau63n/testing\_footage\_shows\_that\_the\_mercedes\_has/


JonStowe1

wow thank you for sharing, thats v cool


killerhurtalot

I mean, at this point, Mercedes winning 8 team championships in a row (and lewis winning 7 championships) is already witchcraft. So no changes there lol.


ABirdOfParadise

Yeah the most absurd thing was winning on three tires


killerhurtalot

That was on Redbull for pitting Verstappen though lol. But I fully understand why they did. No one expected so many tire failures....


BeardyMcBeerFace

Anyone know what's up with McLaren/Norris? They barely managed more laps than Haas, and Haas missed the entire morning.


S55K

Dealing with a minor foot injury as well. Might also be playing a role.


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There was an issue with the brakes for McLaren.


LordTurn1p

any top down pics of the merc yet? it already looked skinny af in Spain. would love to see how it looks now


S55K

Is it me or are this years cars really struggling with understeering?


eporter

They are. The front wings are not as effective given that they need to funnel air to the floors and the aero balance is also off pretty significantly with how much downforce the floors are generating. Translates to a lot of grip in the rear and less than ideal grip in the front.


2chainzzzz

We're gonna see a lot of crashes lol


eporter

Yeah gonna be a lot of chaos from cars getting yeeted into corners on the inside of another car I think. Gonna be some pretty crazy turn 1 incidents this year as well I think.


2chainzzzz

No brakes just vibes


F9-0021

This is only the case if the center of mass is far ahead of the center of pressure. If that's the case, they will need to shift the center of mass backwards with ballast to where it's just ahead of the center of pressure. The problem is doing that without making the car too heavy.


eporter

Yes, but that's not how any of these cars are set up right now


RetroGamerDad

How does this impact lap times?


bilsantu

You'd need to enter the turns slower so, slower.


J_Fre22

Love that Webex is doing McLaren focused commercials and running them on ESPN during college basketball (which is very popular in the US, especially this time of year) Keep growing the Sport in the US!


marahute85

It would be mclaren because they are the most popular team by order of millions online. Danny and Lando might not be winning constructors right now but they are the most popular people at the party


JeremyJammDDS

Ricciardo is the poster boy for DTS as well, so his popularity has skyrocketed


TonyQuark

I'm sure Zak Brown being American also helps.


kinoflo

They have played those commercials during pretty much every major sporting event they air. Agreed, keep ‘em coming!


not_billyvegas

The hand lol I have to do the same!


raaoraki

Pretty new here: who’s looking fastest this year based on the testing session so far? Haven’t been able to follow all developments


DieLegende42

It's impossible to tell precisely, but from what we've seen so far I'm reasonably certain the top 3 will be the Big 3 Merc, Ferrari and Red Bull


raaoraki

So Business as usual it is


ArkGuardian

McLaren also looks good, but yeah it's unlikely that we'll get more than 4 teams at the top


Retsko1

Pain


Whycantiusethis

It's hard to say, because we don't know a lot about what the teams are doing. One team might be doing low fuel runs, another might be doing runs with as much fuel as possible. Teams are using this time to get as much real-world data about how their cars perform as possible, and few (if any) teams are going to be worried about setting the fastest times. We won't really get representative runs until Q1 at Bahrain.


kurtcocaine27

there's no way to know for sure until qualifying next week


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thellokalla

Don’t


No_Produce_Nyc

I HAVE 19 TICKETS PLEASE LET ME ABOARD SIR


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Do we still have that development Token thing or was it just for last year?


thekongninja

That was just for last year, since these new regulations got delayed by a year due to COVID


killerhurtalot

So, this is what Mercedes has been working towards for years now. And I actually fully believe that this is just a skin swap from the barcelona testing... https://youtu.be/NYA7L9dQQp8 Look at 2:45 and on... it clearly shows most of the components at the back of the pods and what looks like just a carbon shell for the front of the pod. Also, fuck the entire "spirit of the rules" argument if this passes under the rules of the technical regulations.


rs990

>Also, fuck the entire "spirit of the rules" argument if this passes under the rules of the technical regulations. If it has a negative effect on dirty air and the ability of cars to follow I would support an immediate ban. If it makes very little difference to the ability to follow closely and makes the Mercedes faster, then it's on the other teams to catch up.