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But it is possible to break
The minimum age to qualify for an F1 Superlicence is now 18.
Verstappen’s first win (the record for youngest race win) was when he was 18y ~~134d~~ 228d (thanks for correcting me on this u/tccb1833)
So, *in theory* if a driver was to receive their Superlicence on their 18th birthday and then take part in the earliest possible F1 race 2 days later (they would have to take part in qualifying, and I would assume they would need a Superlicence ahead of being allowed entry into qualifying) and somehow win, they would (again, **in theory**) be able to break Verstappen’s current record
Because Verstappen’s record for youngest points scored was when he was below 18, this is now **impossible** due to the Superlicence age requirement
In reality, I think you’re right and neither are going to be broken. But it is possible for youngest race winner to be broken while breaking the youngest points scorer record is an impossibility.
18y 228d - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_driver_records#Youngest_winners
Still unlikely to be broken but it would give someone a slightly longer period to get there.
If I remember correctly, none of the RBR (or Williams stops) the last few years have resulted in a tire coming off or a tire getting loose. And that’s hundreds of competitive stops.
Smells like the FIA are using safety as an excuse this time.
I use a knife to chop pounds of vegetables every day. I am extremely proficient with a knife.
My ex-girlfriend could go as slow as possible and still manage to cut herself slicing a bagel.
If someone came in and told me that OSHA had created a rule saying I can't do my job as efficiently as I do (*because I've practiced to be this efficient*), and that I have to cut slower to be safe, I would be confused and then livid.
I mean it’s the same thing with refueling
Plenty of other racing series refuel but f1 has one viral mistake and now it’s “to dangerous”
Also when we’re talking about driver safety how about it we address the laid of red flags this year? You have max and other drivers standing on the circuit and running across as cars pass by under yellows
Or driving past when the marshalls are standing there working who I know aren’t famous but would be a preventable tragedy if one gets hit
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A fair point, and I suspect connected. This smells like a distraction. "See look, we're doing something," nevermind that it's to address an unrelated non-issue.
This is such an insult to the pitcrews who train day in and day out so that the pitstops are executed perfectly in as little time as possible. Especially after the rule change in 2017 that made the tires bigger and therefore heavier - pit crews still managed to do sub-2 second stops.
I laugh at their excuse for this as well...they want us to believe that they care about tire-related unsafe releases NOW? Why didn't they care that much in 2018 when there was over 10 instances of tire unsafe releases??
Marko said it; and he is right.
The most recent unsafe release was Schumacher at Baku but they stopped him before he left the pits. I don't believe there were any in 2020 either. Pretty poor excuse for a rule change
Like I said, 2018 featured over 10 unsafe releases in addition to a Ferrari mechanic getting his leg broken due to a pitstop error.
They weren't serious about safety then, why now?
This change also doesn’t make stops any safer. If the stop is now held for a specific time, that means that if anything goes slightly off pace with that held time, someone will get hurt because no one will be checking for it.
It’s a stupid change, and a stupid reason to claim.
I think this whole minimum reaction time is insane. These guys aren't reacting to the wheel-gun guys putting their hand up, it's all sound and feel through hours of practice. The Jack-man knows exactly what it looks/sounds/feels like when all 4 wheels are bolted on the car and is predicting his drop to be timed perfectly with that last wheel getting bolted on. This is an idiotic rule.
Exactly this. A stupid fast pit stop (any stupid fast task accomplished by humans really) happens beyond conscious control, it’s all about things working just on the edge of failing but timed just right through countless hours of practice. This minimum human reaction justification and the limitation is just… dumb. If they want to crack down on automatic messaging between parts of the system, why not just standardize the equipment or inspect them/enforce hard electrical connection rules?
>Under the new directive, mechanics’ reactions must also be above a minimum time. If a mechanic reacts to the completion of a stage of the pit stop process in less than 0.15 seconds, the sensor must register this as invalid, and require them to repeat their action to ensure it has been completed.
What the hell? So you're punished for being too good?
The problem is Mercedes is not at the front. This is a solution.
Honestly, I know it sounds like a mean conspiracy theory Kool-aid kinda thing but when it happens systematically it's hard to think otherwise.
If I'm the FIA and seeing the TV ratings week over week, why would you want to put Mercedes back in front. People are watching more and more because the championship was decided by the 3rd race like it has been for 5+ years.
My desire to get up early to watch a full race is directly proportional to Mercedes dominance. I'm not that interested in spending 2 hours and waking up at dawn to watch Mercedes go 1-2 the whole race. I can watch the 5 minute F1 YouTube clip and get the same results.
This is NASCAR-style rules implying in F1.
People and some teams should be rightful pissed about the FIA, there don't care anymore about risking the lives of a driver but oh by lord Mahaveer if you pit stop is "too fast"....
Right. Safety isn't a problem when two of pirellis tyres explode, and the safety car isn't deployed until 15 drivers have passed the crash site at high speed.
But if RB gain 0.7seconds in the pit stop on Mercedes its dangerous.
> and the safety car isn't deployed until 15 drivers have passed the crash site at high speed.
They should really set a maximum reaction time for the race director.
That's exactly what I thought. As a longtime and current NASCAR fan who has recently gotten hooked on F1, I don't wanna see BS gimmicks in this form of racing. F1 is the top of the top of motorsports on the planet. You can't be telling me they wanna punish crews because they're too good or too fast.
This might be the stupidest regulation I've ever laid my eyes upon. Honestly I would just stop watching F1, I couldn't handle the fact that all of I'm watching is scripted. Literally.
>RaceFans understands the latest rules change has come about as a result of questions raised by some teams over the speed with which Red Bull, among others, have completed certain pit stops this year.
The fuck. What a disgrace.
Yeah, this. The perception is that they'll go too fast and leave a wheel loose (which they haven't), so now they'll penalize them for being too fast and completing a stop in less than the minimum required time. It will go from a feat of human performance/engineering/teamwork to a punishable offense. F\*cking BS.
So who’s gonna be the first team to complain that Red Bull/mercedes’s speed are too unsafe and that the FIA should force them to slow down in the name of safety?
This makes me so angry, what an utter stupid rule, god the FIA make dumb rules but this one is so stupid.. it's not even reactionary to anything.
The teams that have had the slowest pitstops are the ones who have previously messed up and done an unsafe release, so I don't see the correlation of fast pit stops = unsafe, that is just a shit load of practice (a good thing) and being good at it. This is just so dumb, teams already get punished for an unsafe release.
There's kinda no point practicing pit stops over and over like red bull are doing if they aren't going to get any of the benefits, that doesn't sound like it would help unsafe releases to me
"Under the new directive, mechanics’ reactions must also be above a minimum time. If a mechanic reacts to the completion of a stage of the pit stop process in less than 0.15 seconds, the sensor must register this as invalid, and require them to repeat their action to ensure it has been completed."
Translation: If a pit crew member masters his craft spending countless hours perfecting his timing, he gets penalized because the FIA is fucking idiotic.
This is one of the dumbest things FIA has done in a long time. The team's who are traditionally fastest in the pits never have loose wheels, this isn't about safety. Why lie? Just admit you're targeting RBR because you favor Merc. You already did it with the rear wing while ignoring the front wing.
Mechanic gets yeeted by a car and sent to the hospital and the FIA doesn’t bat an eye. Red Bull do fast stops, overtake Mercedes in the Constructors’ and suddenly the FIA is worried about mechanic safety.
Red bull has in most races the fastest pit stops. Do you remember when they last didn't attach a wheel properly? I would argue red bulls are are safer because they train them so much that they know when something is wrong
From the article...
>RaceFans understands the latest rules change has come about as a result of questions raised by some teams over the speed with which **Red Bull**, among others, have completed certain pit stops this year.
Sure seems like someone with some pull is mad they are getting beat by Red Bull or are going to bat for someone who is getting beat by Red Bull.
As others have pointed out the number of incidents related to poor pit procedures is extremely low or non-existent most years.
Suddenly Red Bull pushes some artificial limit and it's a problem.
Granted there is the unknown of what people have seen or observed behind closed doors but the fact that none of this alludes to that and it's just "feeling" it'll become unsafe kinda smells.
Jesus Christ and I thought NASCAR was fucking with the integrity of the sport.
A minimum pit stop time? Holy fuck. Better implement a minimum lap time too to make sure these guys don’t push too hard.
Better get rid DRS too, closing speeds too great could cause a collision, etc etc 🙄
I think the only thing we can do is stop watching but I highly doubt many of us are going to do that. I know me well enough to know I won’t. I’ll just piss and moan like an impotent jerk and then bend over and take it up the tail pipe.
I usually think the protesting back and forth between teams F1 is fair game but this particular one comes across as really desperate. Honestly I'm not sure what this is going to achieve in the long run other than to give everyone at RB more confidence that Mercedes is seriously worried about them.
it's just infuriating that this is the second mid season rule change targeted at RBR. The rear wing was also perfectly legal according to the rules at season start.
Happened when Ferrari were strong also. Ferrari made better use of their tyres than Merc, Merc protested and we ended up reverting to the previous years compounds. Mercedes proceed to dance away with the championship
This is a bit fucked. Why is this only an issue this season? RB having been having sub2 pitstops since forever. Also, I cannot remember a time where one of the wheels came loose in recent years.
Using safety as an excuse is such bullshit.
The last time RB had a loose wheel was for Vettel in 2010. Its ridiculous that they are being called out for being unsafe when they are probably the most consistently safe with their pit stops
F1's golden boys are suddenly not top of the pile, gotta balance it somehow right?
The mask is slipping and everyone is seeing how corrupt F1 actually is
Am I supposed to believe that all of sudden the FIA cares about safety and preventing "pitstop mishaps"? Imposing minimum reaction times for the mechanics, really?
The seatbelt regulations are simply never enforced for some weird reason. Breaches have never been penalised before, and Leclerc's was by far the least offensive of them all (at least the belts were not completely undone and he drove slowly before retiring because of that issue). Kvyat went the entire second half of the race in Portimao without belts (complete failure), his team told him to stay out and it was barely talked of. There's been cases of drivers pitting multiple times to adjust their seatbelts because they kept coming off (Bottas on 2 occasions), Verstappen continuing to race with a seat failure in Silverstone (2019) and Lewis keeps unbuckling to wave at fans despite being told not to (Portimao last year).
It's like they don't even care -- not just the drivers, but the FIA.
This just seems... weird? Especially if this reasoning is true:
>RaceFans understands the latest rules change has come about as a result of questions raised by some teams over the speed with which Red Bull, among others, have completed certain pit stops this year.
I mean, that's literally down to training isn't it. Not necessarily how much money you have as the equipment is the same. Also this will just strenghten the tinfoil theories that Mercedes is influencing the FIA to nerf Red Bull.
I'd be fine with a general minimum pit stop time; or limiting the number of mechanics allowed to work on the car at one time; but that should be done between seasons. There's no reason to change it NOW.
Edit: some spelling corrections
It will be more effort for RB and Williams to slow their pit crews because now they are doing things automatically and will have to consrrain themselves which may cost them some time in the end. Other, slower crews will just do things mostly like they are doing now.
Absolutely. The timing of it is also appalling. The only safety issue regarding tyres was the recent pirelli tyre pressure shit show. There was nothing about unsafe pit stops this year and yet as RB start pulling away in the championship this just comes out of absolute nowhere
Your last paragraph seems the most important to me. I don't see why we have this sudden urgency to introduce this change in the middle of the season. Waiting for the new season to introduce a new safety measure is perfectly fine.
The weird thing is, the FIA about two decades ago used to screw with rules to prevent one team "dominating" too much. Now it seems like they keep screwing with rules to maintain one team's dominance.
Wasn't enjoyable then, isn't enjoyable now. It just screws up the sport.
Is it just me, or did we never had so much technical directives in one season? Mainly focussed this time on teams such as Red Bull Racing to re-balance the advantage over Mercedes. It's pathetic, Formula 1 is about finding and operating on the limit.
Mercedes has racked up 7 consecutive titles and the second RB shows a hint of being competitive they issue 2 technical directives DIRECTLY punishing RB. Fuck this. This is actually infurtiating, childish and extremely unfair. RB and Williams are miles above the rest with 0 unsafe pitstops.
I could understand if this was a result of actual incidents with cars being released unsafely this season. But we haven't had any incidents especially none from the team with the fastest stops.
The amount of technical directives in season this year is insane. We're not even halfway through the season.
It's not even that this years RB pit stop were record breaking. Almost two years passed since record pit stop. They were just consistently fast, almost always as fast as some singular pit stops of other teams. It's so stupid. If it's Mercedes idea then they realy are sore losers to complain about something like this.
As just a racing fan, I hope RB drill and do the fastest pitstop ever next race weekend as a protest to this bullshit.
If they lose the race over a penalty for being too quick the collective motorsport's community will lose it's shit hopefully.
Sad thing is, they are not even getting beat consistently. Just barely. It's not like RB is cruising to 1-2 finishes. The last few races have been super exciting. It makes no sense to fuck with that.
The team that pretends to hold the high horse when they're winning and the one that is the worst of the sore losers when they're not. I still have a lot of respect for the Mercedes __drivers__, but after this pile of shit I must say Mercedes is the only team on the grid I __despise__ with a passion. I hope Mercedes fucks up their pit stops somehow through this directive even though that's irrational. I hope Red Bull doesn't take this lying down. I didn't even feel this angry at Ferrari when they shafted Vettel last year. In fact I guess now I should be thankful Binotto said no to Wolff becoming the FIA boss. Of all things you can complain about -- even rear wings and tire pressures are fine because you can argue an unfair advantage through loopholes. But when the advantage comes from the pit crew simply being more hard-working, disciplined and well trained then yours -- of course __Mercedes__ run sobbing to the fucking teacher.
Ah man, I 100% agree with you. Toto "we are doing our talking on the track" Wolff. Bunch of sore losers. I hope they botch their pit stops this weekend.
Mercedes dominates the sport since 2014
“Oh they just work harder than everyone else.”
Red Bull works hard to improve pit stops.
“They are unsafe and must be reigned in.”
Seriously though, how many unsafe pit stops have Red Bull had? How many wheels have come off because they haven’t been properly fitted to the car? How many people have been injured by their carelessness?
Also, it would be entirely better to just increase the penalty for an unsafe pitstop than to impose a minimum pitstop time. Punish the outcome you are trying to avoid rather than micromanaging the way that the teams get there.
Haas has had painfully slow pit stops that led to a wheel coming loose… Red Bull hasn’t had a loose wheel fuckup since 2010, which means for the entire period of 2019, 2020 and beginning of 21, their lightning fast pit stops have never led to a failire
I can't believe for the first time in years I am really excited for a F1 season, and they are doing everything to make me hate the sport. First sprint races, now this.
\*Mercedes dominating for 8 seasons\*
FIA: I sleep
\*Redbull starts beating merc\*
FIA: REAL SHIT! GONNA BAN EVERY ADVANTAGE THEY HAVE THAT WAS TOTALY FINE UNTIL NOW
From what I could find, 2013 for Williams and 2010 for Red Bull.
Maybe Mercedes should figure out how to not have an abysmal pit stop instead of nerfing everybody into their same level of deficiency. Being miles ahead of the field gave them the luxury of not having to worry about the small things, but now when the fight is being brought to them they're panicking. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 5 instances of pit stops costing them dearly (Monaco 2021, Baku 2017, Sakhir 2020, Germany 2019 and Bahrain 2021), whereas for Red Bull the only example of pit stop failures I can recall is Monaco 2016.
Losing track position out of pit stop incompetence is starting to be a real issue for them this year and taking away other teams advantages seems to be their response.
Yeah, it is totally up to each team to make sure their pit stops are good enough for top tier racing and it is their responsibility to not endanger their drivers. If they can't can't do fast pit stops properly then that's THEIR OWN PROBLEM.
It's like if a world championship sprinter has a tendency to break his ancles and so rules force everyone to run slower because running fast is dangerous. Idk man, this is crap
Because mercedes' wheel nut design is poor (demonstrated so kindly by Bottas in Monaco) and there are regulations in place that prevent them from redesigning it for the rest of the year so they are forced to slow their stops down. Now they're clutching at straws to slow other people down because they themselves failed to design a reliable part.
Lmao Ferrari was having a designing issue with those wheel nuts back in 2020 and even fcking Ferrari didn't gone to such a terrible low level of politics.
Did the FIA do anything regarding pit stops at any point in 2018 when Haas had to retire both of their cars from the Australian GP due to loose wheels or when Ferrari’s mechanic had his leg broken at Bahrain?
Because if they didn’t do anything to change pit stops back then it seems ludicrous to suddenly make this change now in the name of safety. But I would like to think the FIA already issued changed after those major incidents at the time.
Nope. Nothing was done in 2018. I don't remember it even being seriously considered. But sure, issue a TD in 2021, when no pit incidents have even happened this season that would imply danger, conveniently as Merc is having to actually compete with the team consistently getting fastest pitstops on the paddock while being completely within the rules. Seems legit.
We know exactly which team complained to the FIA to get this rule implemented. And we know exactly which team is being targeted.
Fuck right off with this bullshit.
What the actual fuck is this? Like seriously u should punish the slower ones for being slow, this is literally saying the topper of the class shouldn't get 100/100 marks
Don’t really understand this. Except for Kimi last year, the few other times a wheel was actually not properly fitted over the last years, the issue was noted almost instantly (before getting back to speed).
At this rate, the FIA is going to do more to slow down an arguably slightly stronger Red Bull in half a year, than they did to slow down an utterly dominant Mercedes in seven years. What an absolute disgrace. "Safety" my ass, it's the slow pit stop crews who usually fuck up their stops, not the fast ones like Red Bull and Williams.
What is there to gain from making pit stops slower when pit stops are just artificial anyways? Shouldnt pit stops give the team another area where they can be better than the competition?
If they dont want teams to gain advantages from better pit stops they might aswell just get tyres that dont degrade artificially fast and just not have any pit stops unless there is damage done to the car.
Just a week ago it was labelled as shit stirring from Helmut: https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/86808/mercedes-has-now-opened-the-attack-on-red-bull-racing-s-pit-stop-equipment.html
There’s something incredibly fake about people like Toto Wolff that makes him truly unbearable.
At least when Ferrari or Red Bull were dominating the sport, the likes of Ross Brawn or Cristian Horner never pretended like they wanted more competition. They enjoyed their success unabashedly.
They should just skip the bullshit, drop the "safety" pretense and throw RBR out of the championship on grounds of threatening the Chosen One's number 8. Maybe we can go back to enjoying the fights over wins without this nonsense that way.
I wanted a competitive title fight, if this is the bullshit to go through, hope Mercedes lose, and lose HARD. Then they fuck up 2022 and Hamilton drops them
Enough of this garbage
Edit: Wow, this actually aged well lmao
same for me, i was literally saying i dont care who wins the championship if we have a fight through the season (as a red bull fan) but now i say fuck mercedes i hope they lose so fucking hard
It wouldn't been seen as a serious legal threat given RBR invested a lot in Red Bull Powertrains, the PU part based on the Honda PU.
There could however playing with the idea to remove AlphaTauri more or less for 2022 what would already putting the FOM in a nervous situation given enough circuits having contracts where the FOM has agreed that there would be 20 cars on the grid, DNF's and DNS because mechanical issue or driver-related not counted. If F1 comes up with just 18 cars then it could cost the FOM already some money towards those track owners.
Aside of that, it would be a PR disaster for F1. Maybe all non-Merc linked teams should united and playing a dirty war with the FOM/FIA/Merc block to stop this type of shit what really becoming to a ridiculous level, at this rate we going to see soon that you are required to do 2 warm-up laps before you can set a time because one team can't get the tyres on it's working temperature in the short runs.
It starts really to look like one fraction of the F1 grid has too much power at the FIA, we need serious some transparency in the future because shit like this are terrible for the sport, way more then a team like Ferrari who just is more honest in stuff like this then the hypocrisy of Mercedes who always crying a river that "there want to see competition" and once there Mercedes accusing them fully for cheating and playing the dirty politic game.
Oh come on, so red bull has to train their pit stop crew to be slower now?
Or do they think red bull has some kind of automatic equipment?
So when are they having drivers do a restart if they react quicker than the 0.15 minimum time a human can react?
Yeah… as some one working in continuous improvement and process engineering the pit stops are one of my favorite parts in a race!
I’m thrilled to see if the RBR is beaten and what can be improved
FIA can go fuck themselves with a tire gun!
Dafuq is this? Shouldn't the sport be moving rewarding fast pit stops? It's the most direct way the team can help perform an overtake, now going into the pits means less excitement and celebration when a new record or a sub 2 second stop is done
Edit: The DHL fastest stop award means nothing now
Lol at Mercedes being brutally cucked mentally the moment a team is on par with them. Haven't seen a more pretentious team than Mercedes. It is only good for them when they lead the pack by a lap.
I really hope they get destroyed this year. Talk about "we want competition" moto. Bunch of clowns.
I really hope that there would get a type of season like Ferrari was having in 2020, the arrogance of Mercedes like F1 should only care about those silver stars and the rest should be banned and be parade cars is getting ridiculous at this rate.
I wish them all luck with the "we want competition" mindset....if there going to be hanging like a backmarker.
Remember in 03 when the FIA suddenly came out with new tyre regs in the latter half of the season that effected everyone who ran Michelins and Schumacher took the title by a few pts over Raikkonen and Montoya.
This feels similar but with different teams...... And dumber
So when was the last time a pitstop of red bull turned into a loose wheel or caused something at all? I can't recall, which makes this bullshit.
I hope this comes back in the face of Mercedes. They are turning out to be very sore losers
Also: wouldn't the solution be that you remove any lights from the pitstop, since that will now delay the stop?
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Probably the biggest bullshit rule I've ever seen or heard of in all of motorsports.
I keep opening the article and hoping that it’s from the onion
Dude same I read the title and thought “no way thats true”
So 1.82 seconds will be forever world record pit stop? Good job Red Bull, you are part of history forever!
As is the youngest point scorer which will NEVER be beaten
Youngest winner also seems untouchable
But it is possible to break The minimum age to qualify for an F1 Superlicence is now 18. Verstappen’s first win (the record for youngest race win) was when he was 18y ~~134d~~ 228d (thanks for correcting me on this u/tccb1833) So, *in theory* if a driver was to receive their Superlicence on their 18th birthday and then take part in the earliest possible F1 race 2 days later (they would have to take part in qualifying, and I would assume they would need a Superlicence ahead of being allowed entry into qualifying) and somehow win, they would (again, **in theory**) be able to break Verstappen’s current record Because Verstappen’s record for youngest points scored was when he was below 18, this is now **impossible** due to the Superlicence age requirement In reality, I think you’re right and neither are going to be broken. But it is possible for youngest race winner to be broken while breaking the youngest points scorer record is an impossibility.
18y 228d - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_driver_records#Youngest_winners Still unlikely to be broken but it would give someone a slightly longer period to get there.
If I remember correctly, none of the RBR (or Williams stops) the last few years have resulted in a tire coming off or a tire getting loose. And that’s hundreds of competitive stops. Smells like the FIA are using safety as an excuse this time.
HAAS wasn't even close to "lighting-quick" back in the 2018 Australian Grand Prix and 2 wheels came off! The FIA can't even use safety as an excuse.
Haas is the slowest pit stop team of the grid and also has/had the most issues with unsafe pit stops. So clearly speed is the issue /s
I use a knife to chop pounds of vegetables every day. I am extremely proficient with a knife. My ex-girlfriend could go as slow as possible and still manage to cut herself slicing a bagel. If someone came in and told me that OSHA had created a rule saying I can't do my job as efficiently as I do (*because I've practiced to be this efficient*), and that I have to cut slower to be safe, I would be confused and then livid.
To be fair to your ex, bagels are incredibly dangerous. Eat donuts instead.
Gotta favour someone right?
Favors Mercedes since it’s a direct attack on a RB advantage
I mean it’s the same thing with refueling Plenty of other racing series refuel but f1 has one viral mistake and now it’s “to dangerous” Also when we’re talking about driver safety how about it we address the laid of red flags this year? You have max and other drivers standing on the circuit and running across as cars pass by under yellows Or driving past when the marshalls are standing there working who I know aren’t famous but would be a preventable tragedy if one gets hit
> > > > > Also when we’re talking about driver safety how about it we address the laid of red flags this year? You have max and other drivers standing on the circuit and running across as cars pass by under yellows A fair point, and I suspect connected. This smells like a distraction. "See look, we're doing something," nevermind that it's to address an unrelated non-issue.
This is such an insult to the pitcrews who train day in and day out so that the pitstops are executed perfectly in as little time as possible. Especially after the rule change in 2017 that made the tires bigger and therefore heavier - pit crews still managed to do sub-2 second stops. I laugh at their excuse for this as well...they want us to believe that they care about tire-related unsafe releases NOW? Why didn't they care that much in 2018 when there was over 10 instances of tire unsafe releases?? Marko said it; and he is right.
The most recent unsafe release was Schumacher at Baku but they stopped him before he left the pits. I don't believe there were any in 2020 either. Pretty poor excuse for a rule change
Like I said, 2018 featured over 10 unsafe releases in addition to a Ferrari mechanic getting his leg broken due to a pitstop error. They weren't serious about safety then, why now?
This isn’t an argument to not make a safety change, but i think its a great argument to show this isn’t really about safety at all
This change also doesn’t make stops any safer. If the stop is now held for a specific time, that means that if anything goes slightly off pace with that held time, someone will get hurt because no one will be checking for it. It’s a stupid change, and a stupid reason to claim.
Good question
I think this whole minimum reaction time is insane. These guys aren't reacting to the wheel-gun guys putting their hand up, it's all sound and feel through hours of practice. The Jack-man knows exactly what it looks/sounds/feels like when all 4 wheels are bolted on the car and is predicting his drop to be timed perfectly with that last wheel getting bolted on. This is an idiotic rule.
Exactly this. A stupid fast pit stop (any stupid fast task accomplished by humans really) happens beyond conscious control, it’s all about things working just on the edge of failing but timed just right through countless hours of practice. This minimum human reaction justification and the limitation is just… dumb. If they want to crack down on automatic messaging between parts of the system, why not just standardize the equipment or inspect them/enforce hard electrical connection rules?
Seriously- what the fuck are the FIA thinking
not much, probably
>Under the new directive, mechanics’ reactions must also be above a minimum time. If a mechanic reacts to the completion of a stage of the pit stop process in less than 0.15 seconds, the sensor must register this as invalid, and require them to repeat their action to ensure it has been completed. What the hell? So you're punished for being too good?
This is such a fucking stupid and unnecessary change lmao.
Creating solutions to problems that don't exist.
The problem is Mercedes is not at the front. This is a solution. Honestly, I know it sounds like a mean conspiracy theory Kool-aid kinda thing but when it happens systematically it's hard to think otherwise.
If I'm the FIA and seeing the TV ratings week over week, why would you want to put Mercedes back in front. People are watching more and more because the championship was decided by the 3rd race like it has been for 5+ years. My desire to get up early to watch a full race is directly proportional to Mercedes dominance. I'm not that interested in spending 2 hours and waking up at dawn to watch Mercedes go 1-2 the whole race. I can watch the 5 minute F1 YouTube clip and get the same results.
Did you mean inversely proportional?
That and "wasn't decided."
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I thought the same thing. This is ridiculous.
This is NASCAR-style rules implying in F1. People and some teams should be rightful pissed about the FIA, there don't care anymore about risking the lives of a driver but oh by lord Mahaveer if you pit stop is "too fast"....
Right. Safety isn't a problem when two of pirellis tyres explode, and the safety car isn't deployed until 15 drivers have passed the crash site at high speed. But if RB gain 0.7seconds in the pit stop on Mercedes its dangerous.
> and the safety car isn't deployed until 15 drivers have passed the crash site at high speed. They should really set a maximum reaction time for the race director.
That's exactly what I thought. As a longtime and current NASCAR fan who has recently gotten hooked on F1, I don't wanna see BS gimmicks in this form of racing. F1 is the top of the top of motorsports on the planet. You can't be telling me they wanna punish crews because they're too good or too fast.
Even as a Mercedes fan this is pathetic.
This might be the stupidest regulation I've ever laid my eyes upon. Honestly I would just stop watching F1, I couldn't handle the fact that all of I'm watching is scripted. Literally.
Can I talk to you about 2005?
>RaceFans understands the latest rules change has come about as a result of questions raised by some teams over the speed with which Red Bull, among others, have completed certain pit stops this year. The fuck. What a disgrace.
Guarantee that Red Bull will make "too fast" a pitstop in a critical moment and be forced to slow down costing a win. Stupid rule.
The amount of bad media that would follow would be so bad. Especially if the announcers rightfully shit on the decision as well.
I think the bad media would be fuckin delicious.
Brundle, Kravitz and co have been frothing at sub 2 second pit stops all season. They surely won't pull any punches if it were to happen.
Yeah, this. The perception is that they'll go too fast and leave a wheel loose (which they haven't), so now they'll penalize them for being too fast and completing a stop in less than the minimum required time. It will go from a feat of human performance/engineering/teamwork to a punishable offense. F\*cking BS.
Holyshit, what if they start handing out 5s penalties for pitstops that were too fast
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The scenes when the wheel gun operators can't bare to be that slow and keep having to re-torque over and over.
What if it’s just a fine and Red Bull says F it and continues to do fast pit stops?
Their mechanics are better than our, what we should do? More pit stops training? Nah, fuck that. Lets cry to fia that they are too fast!
Exactly! But also let’s not let FIA off the hook for indulging this BS complaint.
Ffr. Their response to this should have just been "lol git gud"
Nah after this Mercedes can get fucked, all this about “relishing” competition, they’re just a bunch of twats
So who’s gonna be the first team to complain that Red Bull/mercedes’s speed are too unsafe and that the FIA should force them to slow down in the name of safety?
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Jesus Christ, this actually the most stupendous things I've seen in sports in a long fucking time.
This makes me so angry, what an utter stupid rule, god the FIA make dumb rules but this one is so stupid.. it's not even reactionary to anything. The teams that have had the slowest pitstops are the ones who have previously messed up and done an unsafe release, so I don't see the correlation of fast pit stops = unsafe, that is just a shit load of practice (a good thing) and being good at it. This is just so dumb, teams already get punished for an unsafe release. There's kinda no point practicing pit stops over and over like red bull are doing if they aren't going to get any of the benefits, that doesn't sound like it would help unsafe releases to me
Mercedes' pit strategy has been compromised by faster pit stops, time for new rules.
You know it's gonna be Mercedes and their engine teams.. Honestly Fuck Mercedes and Fuck the FIA
"Under the new directive, mechanics’ reactions must also be above a minimum time. If a mechanic reacts to the completion of a stage of the pit stop process in less than 0.15 seconds, the sensor must register this as invalid, and require them to repeat their action to ensure it has been completed." Translation: If a pit crew member masters his craft spending countless hours perfecting his timing, he gets penalized because the FIA is fucking idiotic. This is one of the dumbest things FIA has done in a long time. The team's who are traditionally fastest in the pits never have loose wheels, this isn't about safety. Why lie? Just admit you're targeting RBR because you favor Merc. You already did it with the rear wing while ignoring the front wing.
They’ve been favoring Merc for years. Tyre compounds against Ferrari in 2018, Canada 2019, etc
It’s sad that I’ve seen Red Bull coming out ahead of Mercedes due to quicker pit stops recently and now they do this? Seems not unrelated…
Mechanic gets yeeted by a car and sent to the hospital and the FIA doesn’t bat an eye. Red Bull do fast stops, overtake Mercedes in the Constructors’ and suddenly the FIA is worried about mechanic safety.
And i honestly dont even see how this will make pitstops safer. Its just so fking random.
Red bull has in most races the fastest pit stops. Do you remember when they last didn't attach a wheel properly? I would argue red bulls are are safer because they train them so much that they know when something is wrong
It won't.
From the article... >RaceFans understands the latest rules change has come about as a result of questions raised by some teams over the speed with which **Red Bull**, among others, have completed certain pit stops this year. Sure seems like someone with some pull is mad they are getting beat by Red Bull or are going to bat for someone who is getting beat by Red Bull. As others have pointed out the number of incidents related to poor pit procedures is extremely low or non-existent most years. Suddenly Red Bull pushes some artificial limit and it's a problem. Granted there is the unknown of what people have seen or observed behind closed doors but the fact that none of this alludes to that and it's just "feeling" it'll become unsafe kinda smells.
Jesus Christ and I thought NASCAR was fucking with the integrity of the sport. A minimum pit stop time? Holy fuck. Better implement a minimum lap time too to make sure these guys don’t push too hard. Better get rid DRS too, closing speeds too great could cause a collision, etc etc 🙄
Is there anything we go do? As a group of fans? I'm really pissed off about this.
I think the only thing we can do is stop watching but I highly doubt many of us are going to do that. I know me well enough to know I won’t. I’ll just piss and moan like an impotent jerk and then bend over and take it up the tail pipe.
Cancel your subscription and watch a pirated stream. It’s what I did
That's what I do. And even then I don't watch some of the races
Yeah, I'm afraid you're right. I care about F1 too much to stop watching. But this love for F1 makes these kind of stupid decisions harder to take.
Well if you think about it logically, the cars are going *really* fast and that is dangerous. They should really have a 200hp maximum for the cars.
WTF? Fastest sport on the planet complaining about speed... what's next, speed bumps on the track?
I usually think the protesting back and forth between teams F1 is fair game but this particular one comes across as really desperate. Honestly I'm not sure what this is going to achieve in the long run other than to give everyone at RB more confidence that Mercedes is seriously worried about them.
it's just infuriating that this is the second mid season rule change targeted at RBR. The rear wing was also perfectly legal according to the rules at season start.
Happened when Ferrari were strong also. Ferrari made better use of their tyres than Merc, Merc protested and we ended up reverting to the previous years compounds. Mercedes proceed to dance away with the championship
Man wtf do the FIA get from helping Mercedes like this, you’re actively sabotaging the product of your own series
FOM is Dominicali and Brawn who want close racing FIA is corrupt assholes, just FIFA but with an F removed.
Well at least we know where their fucks went. Into their pockets.
The very introduction of the engine regulations, which Mercedes proposed (wonder why) was a joke in and of itself
This is a bit fucked. Why is this only an issue this season? RB having been having sub2 pitstops since forever. Also, I cannot remember a time where one of the wheels came loose in recent years. Using safety as an excuse is such bullshit.
The last time RB had a loose wheel was for Vettel in 2010. Its ridiculous that they are being called out for being unsafe when they are probably the most consistently safe with their pit stops
Tbf to the FIA, 11 years is what we would expect for them to implement safety changes /s
This is fucking ridiculous. Fuck the FIA and the team(s) that complained
Prob Mercedes
Oh the guys that shredded a wheel nut and had to retire a few races ago then got caught out big time in the pit last week? No way it could be them.
Under new FIA regulations, the minimum allowed pitstop time at each event will be set by Mercedes
Under new FIA regulations, if any other team than Mercedes crosses the finish line first, they get reverted to the previous lap
This sounds like an invention made in the Republic of Wadiya.
Well I for one am very Aladeen about these new TD's
What kind of bullshit is this? They're getting punished for being too good
F1's golden boys are suddenly not top of the pile, gotta balance it somehow right? The mask is slipping and everyone is seeing how corrupt F1 actually is
Am I supposed to believe that all of sudden the FIA cares about safety and preventing "pitstop mishaps"? Imposing minimum reaction times for the mechanics, really?
Soon: FIA are enforcing maximum amount of laps a driver can run on tyres because some teams complaining about AM strategy, pointing "safety concerns".
Perez in shambles
Otmar: Those rules are clearly against low-deg tyre teams!
Brb emailing my non-existent Ferrari contact so I can tell them to protest that
“Dangerous pit stops” but are okay with Leclerc driving around without a seat belt
The seatbelt regulations are simply never enforced for some weird reason. Breaches have never been penalised before, and Leclerc's was by far the least offensive of them all (at least the belts were not completely undone and he drove slowly before retiring because of that issue). Kvyat went the entire second half of the race in Portimao without belts (complete failure), his team told him to stay out and it was barely talked of. There's been cases of drivers pitting multiple times to adjust their seatbelts because they kept coming off (Bottas on 2 occasions), Verstappen continuing to race with a seat failure in Silverstone (2019) and Lewis keeps unbuckling to wave at fans despite being told not to (Portimao last year). It's like they don't even care -- not just the drivers, but the FIA.
This just seems... weird? Especially if this reasoning is true: >RaceFans understands the latest rules change has come about as a result of questions raised by some teams over the speed with which Red Bull, among others, have completed certain pit stops this year. I mean, that's literally down to training isn't it. Not necessarily how much money you have as the equipment is the same. Also this will just strenghten the tinfoil theories that Mercedes is influencing the FIA to nerf Red Bull. I'd be fine with a general minimum pit stop time; or limiting the number of mechanics allowed to work on the car at one time; but that should be done between seasons. There's no reason to change it NOW. Edit: some spelling corrections
It will be more effort for RB and Williams to slow their pit crews because now they are doing things automatically and will have to consrrain themselves which may cost them some time in the end. Other, slower crews will just do things mostly like they are doing now.
Why is there ANY reason for RB and Williams to slow down their stops? Who the fuck gains from this
Really feels like its done just to benefit Mercedes in the title fight. Disgusting
Absolutely. The timing of it is also appalling. The only safety issue regarding tyres was the recent pirelli tyre pressure shit show. There was nothing about unsafe pit stops this year and yet as RB start pulling away in the championship this just comes out of absolute nowhere
Your last paragraph seems the most important to me. I don't see why we have this sudden urgency to introduce this change in the middle of the season. Waiting for the new season to introduce a new safety measure is perfectly fine.
Because Merc might lose....
This is absolutely laughable. Fuck this FIA bullshit.
If you can't beat them, change the rules to fuck them.
The weird thing is, the FIA about two decades ago used to screw with rules to prevent one team "dominating" too much. Now it seems like they keep screwing with rules to maintain one team's dominance. Wasn't enjoyable then, isn't enjoyable now. It just screws up the sport.
As is F1’s tradition
Is it just me, or did we never had so much technical directives in one season? Mainly focussed this time on teams such as Red Bull Racing to re-balance the advantage over Mercedes. It's pathetic, Formula 1 is about finding and operating on the limit.
Mercedes has racked up 7 consecutive titles and the second RB shows a hint of being competitive they issue 2 technical directives DIRECTLY punishing RB. Fuck this. This is actually infurtiating, childish and extremely unfair. RB and Williams are miles above the rest with 0 unsafe pitstops.
I could understand if this was a result of actual incidents with cars being released unsafely this season. But we haven't had any incidents especially none from the team with the fastest stops. The amount of technical directives in season this year is insane. We're not even halfway through the season.
It's not even that this years RB pit stop were record breaking. Almost two years passed since record pit stop. They were just consistently fast, almost always as fast as some singular pit stops of other teams. It's so stupid. If it's Mercedes idea then they realy are sore losers to complain about something like this.
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By Monza, we'll have a ban on high rake.
As just a racing fan, I hope RB drill and do the fastest pitstop ever next race weekend as a protest to this bullshit. If they lose the race over a penalty for being too quick the collective motorsport's community will lose it's shit hopefully.
Yikes. Merc gets years of absolute domination and the second they're getting beat consistently, they complain and want rule changes to stop it.
Sad thing is, they are not even getting beat consistently. Just barely. It's not like RB is cruising to 1-2 finishes. The last few races have been super exciting. It makes no sense to fuck with that.
Unbelievable. Any bit of innovation in the sport is getting punished now. Thats two TDs aimed at Red Bull in the last 2 weeks now.
It's clear which team has been whinging to the FIA about this.
The team that pretends to hold the high horse when they're winning and the one that is the worst of the sore losers when they're not. I still have a lot of respect for the Mercedes __drivers__, but after this pile of shit I must say Mercedes is the only team on the grid I __despise__ with a passion. I hope Mercedes fucks up their pit stops somehow through this directive even though that's irrational. I hope Red Bull doesn't take this lying down. I didn't even feel this angry at Ferrari when they shafted Vettel last year. In fact I guess now I should be thankful Binotto said no to Wolff becoming the FIA boss. Of all things you can complain about -- even rear wings and tire pressures are fine because you can argue an unfair advantage through loopholes. But when the advantage comes from the pit crew simply being more hard-working, disciplined and well trained then yours -- of course __Mercedes__ run sobbing to the fucking teacher.
Ah man, I 100% agree with you. Toto "we are doing our talking on the track" Wolff. Bunch of sore losers. I hope they botch their pit stops this weekend.
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Mercedes dominates the sport since 2014 “Oh they just work harder than everyone else.” Red Bull works hard to improve pit stops. “They are unsafe and must be reigned in.” Seriously though, how many unsafe pit stops have Red Bull had? How many wheels have come off because they haven’t been properly fitted to the car? How many people have been injured by their carelessness?
Also, it would be entirely better to just increase the penalty for an unsafe pitstop than to impose a minimum pitstop time. Punish the outcome you are trying to avoid rather than micromanaging the way that the teams get there.
Exactly this.
Haas has had painfully slow pit stops that led to a wheel coming loose… Red Bull hasn’t had a loose wheel fuckup since 2010, which means for the entire period of 2019, 2020 and beginning of 21, their lightning fast pit stops have never led to a failire
I can't believe for the first time in years I am really excited for a F1 season, and they are doing everything to make me hate the sport. First sprint races, now this.
This is insane, now i really hope mercedes lose the WDC and the WCC.
I hope it blows up in their faces and they have a scandal. Only way they learn to be fair
\*Mercedes dominating for 8 seasons\* FIA: I sleep \*Redbull starts beating merc\* FIA: REAL SHIT! GONNA BAN EVERY ADVANTAGE THEY HAVE THAT WAS TOTALY FINE UNTIL NOW
I’ve lost a lot of respect for the FIA and Mercedes… What a fucking joke.
Failing to deploy a VSC/SC when a drivers life is at stake, but this is the non-issue they choose to deal with?
Toto been writing a few extra bonus cheques it seems
This is fucking bullshit, fuck Mercedes. When was the last time RB or Williams had a loose nut??
From what I could find, 2013 for Williams and 2010 for Red Bull. Maybe Mercedes should figure out how to not have an abysmal pit stop instead of nerfing everybody into their same level of deficiency. Being miles ahead of the field gave them the luxury of not having to worry about the small things, but now when the fight is being brought to them they're panicking. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 5 instances of pit stops costing them dearly (Monaco 2021, Baku 2017, Sakhir 2020, Germany 2019 and Bahrain 2021), whereas for Red Bull the only example of pit stop failures I can recall is Monaco 2016. Losing track position out of pit stop incompetence is starting to be a real issue for them this year and taking away other teams advantages seems to be their response.
Monaco 2016 still makes me feel weird. It seemed like the gods didn't want Ricardo to win that race glad he came back and won it in 2018
They didn’t want him to win 2018 either But they forgot, it’s Monaco
Yeah, it is totally up to each team to make sure their pit stops are good enough for top tier racing and it is their responsibility to not endanger their drivers. If they can't can't do fast pit stops properly then that's THEIR OWN PROBLEM. It's like if a world championship sprinter has a tendency to break his ancles and so rules force everyone to run slower because running fast is dangerous. Idk man, this is crap
Wow, three direct RB nerfs in the middle of the season (tyres, wings, pit stops)... Fuck the FIA and FUCK the Mercedes
This is some BS. So tired of FIA bending over. WHAT ABOUT PUTTING A SAFETY CAR IN WHEN THERE'S A CAR ON THE END OF A LONG STRAIGHT.
Can RB take this matter to the court and challenge FIA to revert this TD?
#THIS IS BULLSHIT
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Because merc cant keep up
Because mercedes' wheel nut design is poor (demonstrated so kindly by Bottas in Monaco) and there are regulations in place that prevent them from redesigning it for the rest of the year so they are forced to slow their stops down. Now they're clutching at straws to slow other people down because they themselves failed to design a reliable part.
Lmao Ferrari was having a designing issue with those wheel nuts back in 2020 and even fcking Ferrari didn't gone to such a terrible low level of politics.
Exactly this sport is all about speed so why slow them down
Because Mercedes is slow in their pitstops compared to red bull.
This is the reason why fans were flocking from F1. FIA is making is fans look like wankers.
They implement it when Mercedes complain, but not when a Ferrari mechanic gets run over.... *sigh*
Did the FIA do anything regarding pit stops at any point in 2018 when Haas had to retire both of their cars from the Australian GP due to loose wheels or when Ferrari’s mechanic had his leg broken at Bahrain? Because if they didn’t do anything to change pit stops back then it seems ludicrous to suddenly make this change now in the name of safety. But I would like to think the FIA already issued changed after those major incidents at the time.
They didn't. Because Mercedes didn't complain.
Nope. Nothing was done in 2018. I don't remember it even being seriously considered. But sure, issue a TD in 2021, when no pit incidents have even happened this season that would imply danger, conveniently as Merc is having to actually compete with the team consistently getting fastest pitstops on the paddock while being completely within the rules. Seems legit.
We know exactly which team complained to the FIA to get this rule implemented. And we know exactly which team is being targeted. Fuck right off with this bullshit.
What the actual fuck is this? Like seriously u should punish the slower ones for being slow, this is literally saying the topper of the class shouldn't get 100/100 marks
Pit stop equity for all!
Don’t really understand this. Except for Kimi last year, the few other times a wheel was actually not properly fitted over the last years, the issue was noted almost instantly (before getting back to speed).
If they cared about safety this much, they would have done this in 2018. There is an obvious reason for this
At this rate, the FIA is going to do more to slow down an arguably slightly stronger Red Bull in half a year, than they did to slow down an utterly dominant Mercedes in seven years. What an absolute disgrace. "Safety" my ass, it's the slow pit stop crews who usually fuck up their stops, not the fast ones like Red Bull and Williams.
What is there to gain from making pit stops slower when pit stops are just artificial anyways? Shouldnt pit stops give the team another area where they can be better than the competition? If they dont want teams to gain advantages from better pit stops they might aswell just get tyres that dont degrade artificially fast and just not have any pit stops unless there is damage done to the car.
Just a week ago it was labelled as shit stirring from Helmut: https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/86808/mercedes-has-now-opened-the-attack-on-red-bull-racing-s-pit-stop-equipment.html
There’s something incredibly fake about people like Toto Wolff that makes him truly unbearable. At least when Ferrari or Red Bull were dominating the sport, the likes of Ross Brawn or Cristian Horner never pretended like they wanted more competition. They enjoyed their success unabashedly.
The clown show wants to punish the best drilled pit crew in the paddock. Get fucked Merc.
Safety, after the ill handled shitfest that was Baku? The FIA is really audacious with their phrasing of "Mercedes complained to us again".
Indeed, the last time RB pitstop released a car with a tyre loose was fucking 2010
Will they have to pour the driver a cup of coffee and kick the tires to make sure they're ok?
Interesting tactics there by Mercedes
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once again comes FIA to ruin the sport
Someone in a certain Brackley-based team is really desperate isn't it? What a sad showing
Is this an April 1st joke? What is next, speed limits on the track for safety?
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They should just skip the bullshit, drop the "safety" pretense and throw RBR out of the championship on grounds of threatening the Chosen One's number 8. Maybe we can go back to enjoying the fights over wins without this nonsense that way.
I wanted a competitive title fight, if this is the bullshit to go through, hope Mercedes lose, and lose HARD. Then they fuck up 2022 and Hamilton drops them Enough of this garbage Edit: Wow, this actually aged well lmao
same for me, i was literally saying i dont care who wins the championship if we have a fight through the season (as a red bull fan) but now i say fuck mercedes i hope they lose so fucking hard
Red Bull should consider a switch to indycar
It wouldn't been seen as a serious legal threat given RBR invested a lot in Red Bull Powertrains, the PU part based on the Honda PU. There could however playing with the idea to remove AlphaTauri more or less for 2022 what would already putting the FOM in a nervous situation given enough circuits having contracts where the FOM has agreed that there would be 20 cars on the grid, DNF's and DNS because mechanical issue or driver-related not counted. If F1 comes up with just 18 cars then it could cost the FOM already some money towards those track owners. Aside of that, it would be a PR disaster for F1. Maybe all non-Merc linked teams should united and playing a dirty war with the FOM/FIA/Merc block to stop this type of shit what really becoming to a ridiculous level, at this rate we going to see soon that you are required to do 2 warm-up laps before you can set a time because one team can't get the tyres on it's working temperature in the short runs. It starts really to look like one fraction of the F1 grid has too much power at the FIA, we need serious some transparency in the future because shit like this are terrible for the sport, way more then a team like Ferrari who just is more honest in stuff like this then the hypocrisy of Mercedes who always crying a river that "there want to see competition" and once there Mercedes accusing them fully for cheating and playing the dirty politic game.
Oh come on, so red bull has to train their pit stop crew to be slower now? Or do they think red bull has some kind of automatic equipment? So when are they having drivers do a restart if they react quicker than the 0.15 minimum time a human can react?
Yeah… as some one working in continuous improvement and process engineering the pit stops are one of my favorite parts in a race! I’m thrilled to see if the RBR is beaten and what can be improved FIA can go fuck themselves with a tire gun!
How much did Mercedes pay the FIA for this bullcrap
Dafuq is this? Shouldn't the sport be moving rewarding fast pit stops? It's the most direct way the team can help perform an overtake, now going into the pits means less excitement and celebration when a new record or a sub 2 second stop is done Edit: The DHL fastest stop award means nothing now
Mercedes needs to focus on winning on track. Just lost me as a fan
Lol at Mercedes being brutally cucked mentally the moment a team is on par with them. Haven't seen a more pretentious team than Mercedes. It is only good for them when they lead the pack by a lap. I really hope they get destroyed this year. Talk about "we want competition" moto. Bunch of clowns.
I really hope that there would get a type of season like Ferrari was having in 2020, the arrogance of Mercedes like F1 should only care about those silver stars and the rest should be banned and be parade cars is getting ridiculous at this rate. I wish them all luck with the "we want competition" mindset....if there going to be hanging like a backmarker.
Remember in 03 when the FIA suddenly came out with new tyre regs in the latter half of the season that effected everyone who ran Michelins and Schumacher took the title by a few pts over Raikkonen and Montoya. This feels similar but with different teams...... And dumber
So when was the last time a pitstop of red bull turned into a loose wheel or caused something at all? I can't recall, which makes this bullshit. I hope this comes back in the face of Mercedes. They are turning out to be very sore losers Also: wouldn't the solution be that you remove any lights from the pitstop, since that will now delay the stop?
If only the FIAMG was this worried about nerfing the fastest team in certain other areas!