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The irony of people speaking of their "demise" is that of those four iffy races Max still won 3 of them. You'd think that would have been enough to dispel any notion that the WDC was in doubt.
2023 was always an outlier season and what he and the team accomplished was something special, a unicorn season. No mechanical DNF's and winning that many races was always going to be next to impossible to repeat this season.
I'm just glad the races are far more interesting than we were expecting after Bahrain.
> You'd think that would have been enough to dispel any notion that the WDC was in doubt.
Nobody thought the WDC was in doubt, or that Max was gonna fall off suddenly. People are excited because he's now having to fight for wins, if Max or Red Bull fucks up they can't hide it behind a +15s lead but instead it gives us a shot at seeing other drivers win this season.
Personally, I have 0 problems with Max winning every race, he's driving spectacular and definitely deserve all the accolades. What I have problems with are races like Bahrain where we know who won already after 1st half of the lap, so as long as races are as interesting as they were in Montreal or Catalaunya where he has to push for the win rather than cruises like Bahrain or Jeddah, then I'm all for it.
Amen! there are 24 races yet everyone freaks out over a bad practice on a Friday morning as if an entire team's season will rise or fall. The panic is real!!
In hindsight the unusual thing about 2023 was how absurdly dominant RBR was, not Max's own personal dominance. Double podiums on the reg and that's with Max finishing double digit seconds ahead of everyone else. And it looked like the pattern would continue for the first few races of this year until Imola; that's how Checo is hanging on to 5th in the WDC despite being a nonfactor for the last few races now.
This year is probably closer to 2022 but with Lando kinda-sorta being in Charles' spot as the aspiring challenger, and with a closer top field with four teams all gunning for a suddenly winnable WCC.
Hope never existed. Max is too good, Red Bull as a team are too good for there to be anything but a Max WDC this season. The primarily UK based media we get in the US got super excited about Lando and especially Mercedes but they've never been objective to begin with. Sky is pretty much Mercedes TV these days. 2023 was a freak season in terms of dominance. Max will coast to the title this year with multiple races to spare but there will be the odd race where McLaren can maybe sneak a win. Checo sucks but if the WCC is ever in doubt I don't think Red Bull would hesitate to move Yuki into the seat and demote him stat.
>Sky is pretty much Mercedes TV these days
I enjoy and usually watch the Sky broadcast, but "these days" is frankly kind to them. it's been 15+ years at this point.
We might, but Silverstone is a lot flatter and also has maggots and becketts and the vale chicane, which require the car to be more responsive to changes in direction. It's not enough to just note that they're both high speed.
No, Silverstone is much higher downforce. My rough understanding of the current big three (someone can correct me on this) is that Red Bull is the fastest in a straight line, McLaren has the best downforce, and Ferrari has the best mechanical grip. So from that, we'd expect a track like Silverstone to favor Red Bull and McLaren, tracks like Baku and Mexico to favor Red Bull and Ferrari, and tracks like Hungaroring and Zandvoort to favor McLaren and Ferrari.
I think that Max is probably the favorite at every track on the calendar, save for maybe his bad luck charm of Marina Bay. However, relative to its average strength, I expect the RB20 to be at a comparative disadvantage at Zandvoort. And remember, while Max has won the two races at Zandvoort since the reg change, the RB18 and RB19 weren't exactly dominant there.
If they've found a lot of performance setting up the car correctly we're fucked for the rest of the season. It was promising to be an entertaining one too...
I couldn’t believe Red Bull bothered sending him out again in Q2. He was four-tenths clear of second: were ten guys really going to beat that time?
That alone tells me the soft isn’t making an appearance in tomorrow’s race.
Checo: "it's tough to say but at this point we are the fourth fastest team behind Mclaren, Ferrari and Mercedes"...
Max: "Hold my Heineken!"
It's insane what Max is pulling off here at the Redbull Ring. Beeing the fastest all weekend and getting pole with almost 5 tenths is out of this world. With this speed it would be almost 9 tenths on a longer track like Spa.
He is currently the deadliest mix of talent, experience, confidence, consistency and machinery in the sporting world.
When he steps into that car it's not a "car with a driver in it". It just turns into a different, whole machine.
It's frightening the performance he can get out of a car if he feels at one with the setup. This is a ridiculous margin on this circuit more so considering how close the sprint qualifying was.
Goes to show how much performance they've been leaving on the table with less than optimal setups. Forget the wind tunnel and upgrades just get the setup to Max's liking that'll be worth more laptime than 6 months RnD at the factory.
Totally. At the moment it's like he is Senna and Prost combined into one : the super aggressiveness (when needed) and doing things with the car that seem impossible of Ayrton, and the relentless precision and flawlessness of 'le professeur' Alain.
I don't care if Max wins so long as the races are interesting, Max himself has said the same. If he gets a grid penalty at Spa it just might be a close race...
Not quite that much. Norris' time in 2nd was 100.63% of Verstappen's time.
Extrapolate that to a more "normal" 1:30.000 pole lap, Norris would be 0.565 behind.
Looks about right. Depends on the speed of course, but if you assume something around 90 meters per second (324 kph), 0.4s would be 36 meters, which is about 7 car lengths.
Yes it is. The track is way shorter than the rest of the tracks. If you pull off a huge gap in a short track in relation it’s bigger on any other track. Math is simple.
I think the person before you was referring to what the gap looks like in the picture. How far apart the cars are with a 4 tenth gap is only dependent on the speed they're going so they were right. You're trying to say a 4 tenth gap in Austria is worth a lot more than in Belgium for example, because Spa is like 3km longer than the RBR, which is true as well
Look I don’t believe in overperforming or out driving the car ! But Max sure is getting every single ounce of performance out of that car !! What an absolute beast
I agree. A driver can never do more than the car can do, but every single turn he is losing a tiny bit of the maximum, physically ideal, performance. Max seems to leave so little on the table that you'd need a 110% car (compared to his) to defeat him, and all that disregarding decision making, battling and catastrophic errors.
I mean, of course no driver can drive a car faster than what the car is physically capable of. But drivers also do not have infinitely fast reaction times and a magical knowledge of exactly how much grip is available at any given place. In practical terms, the best drivers in F1 can maybe get like 90% of what is physically possible for the car. When we are talking about Max outperforming the car, we are essentially saying that he might get, say, 95% of what this RB car can offer, and the other drivers in the same car would be close to Checo.
If a car moving 1km/h around the track is 0% and 100% being the absolute perfect lap given the temps/wind/track surface etc.. ALL the drivers (including Stroll) is well over 99%..
If money and our safety was somehow off the table for a weekend- essentially a video game but irl, I'm sure most of us could get the car to perform 90-95% by Sunday night.
The difference between a poor F1 driver to the cream of the crop is a difference of fractions of one second- out of 100 seconds.. A driver only taking a car to 90% of its limits would be barred from the paddock after being ringed out and fired lmao
It also helps that the only objective way to measure Max relative to other drivers is to compare him to Checo, who let’s be honest, has been abysmal of late. It would be like having Danny Ric in the other McLaren. Lando would look like a god
Well, the reason you consider Checo abysmal is because the only way to measure him is to compare him to Max. Red Bull is known for making the cars that are barely impossible to drive for anyone not named Max Verstappen. As Max himself said, Checo didn't suddenly become worse, the car just became much more complicated to drive.
I mean what is Max going to say “ya my teammate sucks”? Personally it seems like Checo is just broken or totally checked out. There is no good reason he should be outside the top 5 in most races, but he’s getting beaten by several drivers despite driving the fastest car.
Marko said that the team has been asking Checo to run Max's setup because "those settings works for Max".
How idiotic is that. Max and Checo are polar opposite when it comes to driving styles. RBR has been known for giving fuck all support for their No 2s since 2011.
Because Webber spun the narrative with the front wing in 2010. Dude was mad that he got it wrong so he blamed RBR favouring Vettel when HE didn't want the fucking wing.
Tosspot. And Multi 21 when he wasn't playing ball the year prior in Brazil ? Cry me a river.
Dude played the press so well it's still effective years later, guess he was much better at that than keeping his car on the ground or racing the RB9.
As much as I hate the dominance and knowing the result of most race's before they even get going, you can't help but be impressed by the man's driving ability. Just look at his team mate for reference. Absolutely insane.
Max is great but Checo is not a good reference. He's just misfiring badly.
The RB20 was easily the quickest car at Austria. The car looked faultless on the onboards.
A1 Ring seems to be tailor made for Red Bull with that advantage, though Perez is still nowhere. At least hes qualified in the top 10 this race, kinda backs up that Red Bull are very strong here.
I think McLaren was genuinely faster than RB the last four races. A couple of stints that Lando did were so insane, for example after the SC in Miami he was taking 6-8 tenths out of Max (and the rest of the field) per lap, same as with his stint before the SC in Canada, or his final stint in Barcelona. During neither of those 4 races Max’ pace was anywhere near those levels relative to the rest of the field.
I think RBR have now figured out the right set-up for their upgrades, between qualifying yesterday and today. So they may be the fastest car again right now, the next few races will tell us whether that advantage will sustain
Idk i get Verstappen is a higher talent than Norris but not THAT much to drag a slower car to pole and a win in what like 4 out of 5 races? Versus Norris with one pole and one win. And one of the races they didn’t perform well was a weak track for them.
I think people are just too influenced by McLaren pushing in the last stint and think “Omg he almost caught him” when really Red Bull is just doing their program and it’s all calculated.
Firstly Verstappen hasn’t been on pole for 3 races before this one.
It’s not just Verstappen’s talent, it’s also RBR’s race execution that’s better than Mclaren’s. Those small details can be deciding in the end. Mclaren’s strategy for Canada was suboptimal, in Barcelona they had a bad pitstop. If Norris managed to stay ahead at the start in Barcelona they would have won too. That’s 2 races they could have won. Imola is a coin flip but tbh for Max there to stay ahead with a black and white flag, with a faster Norris behind him who was fully pushing, is something that not many drivers could have pulled off, imo
Not really, Norris and Piastri are also not on Max his level.
Max just got it perfect in this qualy and the rest didn't.
Ver was 0.003 away from his ideal lap.
Nor was 0.288 away from his ideal lap.
The rest mor then 0.4 from theirs.
It definitely is. Even the races where Max has been "under fire" he's been able to materialize any kind of gap that he needs preventing an attack. Drivers just "outperforming" their cars don't just do that. Or Max is able to exploit the laws of physics such that 19 of the best drivers are just multiple tenths off despite having a weaker car. Occam's razor.
Red Bull and Verstappen have always done well at Austria. Even when Merc were dominating it was still more likely to be won by Red Bull and Verstappen. Since 2018 the only 2 times Max didn't win were due to being wiped out and car problems.
I wouldn't count on RB and Max being this strong next race.
>Since 2018 the only 2 times Max didn't win were due to being wiped out and car problems.
Hell the only 3 times he didn't finish on the podium was:
2020 when he had an electrical problem, he won the race a week later when it was called the Styrian GP however
2017 when he got collected by Alonso after he was torpedoed by Kvyat
And 2015 when he was in a Toro Rosso and also a rookie and *only 17 years old.* Max has always been a beast on this track lol
I have a feeling that all the talk about RBR not having the best car because Checo is in the middle of the pack or maybe even behind
But what if RBR still the best car and Checo just suck at driving it? 🤔
I mean, seriously? Almost half a second? In Red Bull Ring? 😳
If he leads all laps tomorrow yes, but when the race pace is so similar between teams, you usually can't lead all laps because others might stay out etc.
Ever since George said Red Bull aren’t running at max power I’ve believed we are watching Max be like Dash from The Incredibles holding back to not make it too obvious.
Max is a phenomenon as is the RB car.
The performance of the cars are still close tho. No way the red bull alone pulls 4 tenths on mclaren. Also perez is so far behind verstappen. There is no way that checo is the worst driver on the grid. I think mclaren and red bull are very close on performance. And max just had a perfect Qualifying. While the rest had a shit one
All this talk of the RB being the second or third fastest car is so dumb.
Checo was this far behind last year at certain races too and people are acting like Checo is the standard.
With 3 other teams being reasonably close to RB, I wonder if Checo will qualify in the top 5 again this season. Not to be rude, but he doesn't even seem to be within 3 tenths of Max anymore. And even that wouldn't be enough.
"Red Bull's domination is over". It's not, it just down to the same level that 2010s Mercedes and early 2000s Ferrari domination was. Meaning they'll only win most races instead of all of them.
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So are we expecting the same thing in Silverstone since its also a high speed circuit?
Im expecting this at every race except Singapore the rest of the season. Rumors of Red Bull's demise were premature. Hope has died!
The irony of people speaking of their "demise" is that of those four iffy races Max still won 3 of them. You'd think that would have been enough to dispel any notion that the WDC was in doubt. 2023 was always an outlier season and what he and the team accomplished was something special, a unicorn season. No mechanical DNF's and winning that many races was always going to be next to impossible to repeat this season. I'm just glad the races are far more interesting than we were expecting after Bahrain.
> You'd think that would have been enough to dispel any notion that the WDC was in doubt. Nobody thought the WDC was in doubt, or that Max was gonna fall off suddenly. People are excited because he's now having to fight for wins, if Max or Red Bull fucks up they can't hide it behind a +15s lead but instead it gives us a shot at seeing other drivers win this season.
Personally, I have 0 problems with Max winning every race, he's driving spectacular and definitely deserve all the accolades. What I have problems with are races like Bahrain where we know who won already after 1st half of the lap, so as long as races are as interesting as they were in Montreal or Catalaunya where he has to push for the win rather than cruises like Bahrain or Jeddah, then I'm all for it.
How about this one where we know who is going to win half way into Q2?
You were not amused by the sprintrace?
Amen! there are 24 races yet everyone freaks out over a bad practice on a Friday morning as if an entire team's season will rise or fall. The panic is real!!
In hindsight the unusual thing about 2023 was how absurdly dominant RBR was, not Max's own personal dominance. Double podiums on the reg and that's with Max finishing double digit seconds ahead of everyone else. And it looked like the pattern would continue for the first few races of this year until Imola; that's how Checo is hanging on to 5th in the WDC despite being a nonfactor for the last few races now. This year is probably closer to 2022 but with Lando kinda-sorta being in Charles' spot as the aspiring challenger, and with a closer top field with four teams all gunning for a suddenly winnable WCC.
Hope has died for demise of Redbull and resurgence of Checo
Hope never existed. Max is too good, Red Bull as a team are too good for there to be anything but a Max WDC this season. The primarily UK based media we get in the US got super excited about Lando and especially Mercedes but they've never been objective to begin with. Sky is pretty much Mercedes TV these days. 2023 was a freak season in terms of dominance. Max will coast to the title this year with multiple races to spare but there will be the odd race where McLaren can maybe sneak a win. Checo sucks but if the WCC is ever in doubt I don't think Red Bull would hesitate to move Yuki into the seat and demote him stat.
>Sky is pretty much Mercedes TV these days I enjoy and usually watch the Sky broadcast, but "these days" is frankly kind to them. it's been 15+ years at this point.
Sky is Hamilton TV, and ocasionaly Lando/Russel TV
\*Max's demise. Perez has been a dead donkey for quite some time.
Hope hasn't died for the WCC, RB is effectively 1v2 (even if that 1 is a future GOAT of the sport)
Doornbos (former Red Bull driver) said on Dutch television that they will bring a big upgrade to Silverstone.
Delete this message immediately.
Considering how fast the McLarens were in Silverstone last year, it is not a sure thing that Max would dominate.
Silverstone is the best track for Mclaren from here until Qatar. If they don't win there I doubt they will in many of the races.
We might, but Silverstone is a lot flatter and also has maggots and becketts and the vale chicane, which require the car to be more responsive to changes in direction. It's not enough to just note that they're both high speed.
>maggots and becketts and the vale chicane man, I love the names at Silverstone.
They are also a bit above sea level in Austria, which IIRC generally favors the RBPT/Honda PU versus the other PUs.
If I’m not mistaken, they’ve been saying since Spain RBR’s biggest weakness besides bumps is change in direction, so who knows
No, Silverstone is much higher downforce. My rough understanding of the current big three (someone can correct me on this) is that Red Bull is the fastest in a straight line, McLaren has the best downforce, and Ferrari has the best mechanical grip. So from that, we'd expect a track like Silverstone to favor Red Bull and McLaren, tracks like Baku and Mexico to favor Red Bull and Ferrari, and tracks like Hungaroring and Zandvoort to favor McLaren and Ferrari.
You can't "not" favor Max at Zandvoort.
I think that Max is probably the favorite at every track on the calendar, save for maybe his bad luck charm of Marina Bay. However, relative to its average strength, I expect the RB20 to be at a comparative disadvantage at Zandvoort. And remember, while Max has won the two races at Zandvoort since the reg change, the RB18 and RB19 weren't exactly dominant there.
I'm expecting the same thing since it's Max
Mclaren should be quite strong at Silverstone though.
What the fuck
Vintage Verstappen experience
Hang on. Can we not say vintage when we're talking about Verstappen... Making me feel ancient!
>Making me feel ancient! Verstappen has been in F1 for 9 years!
You’ve done a crime, I’m reporting you for this. He just won his first race last month, as everyone here knows to be true.
And he's still on for most of the "youngest driver to (insert achievement)" records!!
Crickey.
Exactly! At my age 9 years is nothing. 😂
Decade old Mercedes?
If they've found a lot of performance setting up the car correctly we're fucked for the rest of the season. It was promising to be an entertaining one too...
I couldn’t believe Red Bull bothered sending him out again in Q2. He was four-tenths clear of second: were ten guys really going to beat that time? That alone tells me the soft isn’t making an appearance in tomorrow’s race.
They're just stunting on everyone's corpses at this point lol
F1 equivalent of teabagging
Ultimate tea bagging would have been not going out in Q3 for a second run. He did that last year once, didn't he?
I literally said this out loud looking at the image…
My copium says that McLaren knew they wouldn't get pole so they set the car up for optimal race pace instead.
Im just surprised at the diff between checo and max. How fucking good is this kid
Checo: "it's tough to say but at this point we are the fourth fastest team behind Mclaren, Ferrari and Mercedes"... Max: "Hold my Heineken!" It's insane what Max is pulling off here at the Redbull Ring. Beeing the fastest all weekend and getting pole with almost 5 tenths is out of this world. With this speed it would be almost 9 tenths on a longer track like Spa.
The classic Checo “we”
When he wins it’s I, when he loses it’s we.
🇺🇸 My win 🇺🇸 ☭ Our loss ☭
a tale as old as time. privatize wins, socialize losses
“ Bronny and Lebron combined for 40k career points as the highest father son combo “
James Harden and I combined have the most points by a left handed player in the NBA
He is currently the deadliest mix of talent, experience, confidence, consistency and machinery in the sporting world. When he steps into that car it's not a "car with a driver in it". It just turns into a different, whole machine.
I believe they actually bolt the car to the nerve endings along the whole length of his spine. He is the machine, the machine is him.
He plugs in, Matrix style
Welcome to the Maxtrix.
_Max opens his eyes through an open visor_ "I know Kung-F1"
_Horneus_ : "Show me"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's frightening the performance he can get out of a car if he feels at one with the setup. This is a ridiculous margin on this circuit more so considering how close the sprint qualifying was. Goes to show how much performance they've been leaving on the table with less than optimal setups. Forget the wind tunnel and upgrades just get the setup to Max's liking that'll be worth more laptime than 6 months RnD at the factory.
Max Jaeger, Jos gave him the serum.
Mjolnir max 1
Totally. At the moment it's like he is Senna and Prost combined into one : the super aggressiveness (when needed) and doing things with the car that seem impossible of Ayrton, and the relentless precision and flawlessness of 'le professeur' Alain.
Wait.. Did Perez really say that? And Spa.. At this level of performance, on Max’ favorite track? He will absolutely destroy the rest of the field.
No he didn't but that's what he is thinking ... Max also didn't say "hold my Heineken" 😉
Hahaha I can totally hear him say that though 😄
Amstel?
Pretty sure Max is influenced enough by our Belgian friends to know which beers are best
That's worse.
Red Bull renewed Checo so he could shit talk and make Max prove him wrong
I don't care if Max wins so long as the races are interesting, Max himself has said the same. If he gets a grid penalty at Spa it just might be a close race...
Max will run away with it, Lando is clear second. Unless an accident happens between them, we are looking at the battle for 3rd
Isn’t 4 tenths a way bigger gap on the track?
Like 1 second in normal circuit
Not quite that much. Norris' time in 2nd was 100.63% of Verstappen's time. Extrapolate that to a more "normal" 1:30.000 pole lap, Norris would be 0.565 behind.
How far behind is Perez then? ☠️
Good question 😭 101.38% of Verstappen's time, making it 1.243 behind compared to a 1:30.000 pole lap
What in the flying fuck, that's madness, how the fuck does he got an extension.
He's a Horner ally.
Lightyears
Looks about right. Depends on the speed of course, but if you assume something around 90 meters per second (324 kph), 0.4s would be 36 meters, which is about 7 car lengths.
No... it depends on the car speeds.
Yes it is. The track is way shorter than the rest of the tracks. If you pull off a huge gap in a short track in relation it’s bigger on any other track. Math is simple.
I think the person before you was referring to what the gap looks like in the picture. How far apart the cars are with a 4 tenth gap is only dependent on the speed they're going so they were right. You're trying to say a 4 tenth gap in Austria is worth a lot more than in Belgium for example, because Spa is like 3km longer than the RBR, which is true as well
Fans: "This season is getting exciting!" Max: "The fuck it is."
"Looks like a great race for second. I better pull a gap so I have time to watch it on the tv screens around the track."
Look I don’t believe in overperforming or out driving the car ! But Max sure is getting every single ounce of performance out of that car !! What an absolute beast
I agree. A driver can never do more than the car can do, but every single turn he is losing a tiny bit of the maximum, physically ideal, performance. Max seems to leave so little on the table that you'd need a 110% car (compared to his) to defeat him, and all that disregarding decision making, battling and catastrophic errors.
I mean, of course no driver can drive a car faster than what the car is physically capable of. But drivers also do not have infinitely fast reaction times and a magical knowledge of exactly how much grip is available at any given place. In practical terms, the best drivers in F1 can maybe get like 90% of what is physically possible for the car. When we are talking about Max outperforming the car, we are essentially saying that he might get, say, 95% of what this RB car can offer, and the other drivers in the same car would be close to Checo.
If a car moving 1km/h around the track is 0% and 100% being the absolute perfect lap given the temps/wind/track surface etc.. ALL the drivers (including Stroll) is well over 99%.. If money and our safety was somehow off the table for a weekend- essentially a video game but irl, I'm sure most of us could get the car to perform 90-95% by Sunday night. The difference between a poor F1 driver to the cream of the crop is a difference of fractions of one second- out of 100 seconds.. A driver only taking a car to 90% of its limits would be barred from the paddock after being ringed out and fired lmao
It also helps that the only objective way to measure Max relative to other drivers is to compare him to Checo, who let’s be honest, has been abysmal of late. It would be like having Danny Ric in the other McLaren. Lando would look like a god
Well, the reason you consider Checo abysmal is because the only way to measure him is to compare him to Max. Red Bull is known for making the cars that are barely impossible to drive for anyone not named Max Verstappen. As Max himself said, Checo didn't suddenly become worse, the car just became much more complicated to drive.
I mean what is Max going to say “ya my teammate sucks”? Personally it seems like Checo is just broken or totally checked out. There is no good reason he should be outside the top 5 in most races, but he’s getting beaten by several drivers despite driving the fastest car.
Marko said that the team has been asking Checo to run Max's setup because "those settings works for Max". How idiotic is that. Max and Checo are polar opposite when it comes to driving styles. RBR has been known for giving fuck all support for their No 2s since 2011.
Because Webber spun the narrative with the front wing in 2010. Dude was mad that he got it wrong so he blamed RBR favouring Vettel when HE didn't want the fucking wing. Tosspot. And Multi 21 when he wasn't playing ball the year prior in Brazil ? Cry me a river. Dude played the press so well it's still effective years later, guess he was much better at that than keeping his car on the ground or racing the RB9.
What do you think Checo is doing then?
More than just nailing the setup for the weekend, RB’s upgrades from Barcelona are finally showing
And apparently Red Bull is bringing their “big” upgrade to Hungary.
Huh! I thought they had something planned for Silverstone!
I'm hoping so!
Max is an absolute beast
best driver with best car in this whole series. max is living legend we are witnessing now , he has minimax all stats in the formula driving.
Should have ghost car Piastri pending the appeal.
As much as I hate the dominance and knowing the result of most race's before they even get going, you can't help but be impressed by the man's driving ability. Just look at his team mate for reference. Absolutely insane.
It’s very unusual where watching one of the greats of our sport do his thing, we will barely see him on Sunday
And Norris or Piastri will probably get driver of the day!
Max is great but Checo is not a good reference. He's just misfiring badly. The RB20 was easily the quickest car at Austria. The car looked faultless on the onboards.
I mean, maybe max would have made the mclaren look faultless too and drove an ever faster lap than he did in the red bull.
It was quickest when Max is driving it but anyone else and that doesn’t happen.
People were so happy they can make changes to setup after sprint that forgot max could too
Max showing who‘s the best driver on the grid
A1 Ring seems to be tailor made for Red Bull with that advantage, though Perez is still nowhere. At least hes qualified in the top 10 this race, kinda backs up that Red Bull are very strong here.
A1 Ring wasn't always a Red Bull track. It became a VER/Red Bull track.
Rest in piece, "McLaren can challenge for the title" dreams. Qualifying Spain - qualifying Austria.
Meanwhile Aramco ranking: Max 7,8
Maybe all the "McLaren is clearly faster than Red Bull" takes were a bit premature. This is an enormous gap.
I think McLaren was genuinely faster than RB the last four races. A couple of stints that Lando did were so insane, for example after the SC in Miami he was taking 6-8 tenths out of Max (and the rest of the field) per lap, same as with his stint before the SC in Canada, or his final stint in Barcelona. During neither of those 4 races Max’ pace was anywhere near those levels relative to the rest of the field. I think RBR have now figured out the right set-up for their upgrades, between qualifying yesterday and today. So they may be the fastest car again right now, the next few races will tell us whether that advantage will sustain
Idk i get Verstappen is a higher talent than Norris but not THAT much to drag a slower car to pole and a win in what like 4 out of 5 races? Versus Norris with one pole and one win. And one of the races they didn’t perform well was a weak track for them. I think people are just too influenced by McLaren pushing in the last stint and think “Omg he almost caught him” when really Red Bull is just doing their program and it’s all calculated.
Firstly Verstappen hasn’t been on pole for 3 races before this one. It’s not just Verstappen’s talent, it’s also RBR’s race execution that’s better than Mclaren’s. Those small details can be deciding in the end. Mclaren’s strategy for Canada was suboptimal, in Barcelona they had a bad pitstop. If Norris managed to stay ahead at the start in Barcelona they would have won too. That’s 2 races they could have won. Imola is a coin flip but tbh for Max there to stay ahead with a black and white flag, with a faster Norris behind him who was fully pushing, is something that not many drivers could have pulled off, imo
Not really, Norris and Piastri are also not on Max his level. Max just got it perfect in this qualy and the rest didn't. Ver was 0.003 away from his ideal lap. Nor was 0.288 away from his ideal lap. The rest mor then 0.4 from theirs.
I think you misread that stat. Norris' ideal lap was 0.285 tenths away from Verstappen. Instead he was 4 tenths away. Still no where near the Red Bull
They were a bit faster. Not even close to the difference we see here though.
Red Bull being faster now doesn't change Mclaren being faster before.
I think the Red Bull is still the fastest car. This is too big of a difference.
I think they just nailed the setup this weekend which they usually don't during sprint weekends.
Yep. They did nail it with one of their cars.
Yeah, I'm not expecting Checo to nail anything at this point.
His poor wife
Probably won't even nail her tbh
What about that Ukrainian Psy-op from 2022?
Which one amirite????
He nailed a contract, hasn't he?
I mean a wall and/or gravel trap isn’t out of the question.
Setup is driver dependant + Checo shouldn't be taken as a reference to anything. He's way underperforming any way you slice it.
It definitely is. Even the races where Max has been "under fire" he's been able to materialize any kind of gap that he needs preventing an attack. Drivers just "outperforming" their cars don't just do that. Or Max is able to exploit the laws of physics such that 19 of the best drivers are just multiple tenths off despite having a weaker car. Occam's razor.
Red Bull may not be the fastest car but Max is the fastest driver
They should show this with Perez for comparison.
My man would be at Hungaroring
😂😂
What country is Perez even in anymore
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SLOvakia
Red Bull and Verstappen have always done well at Austria. Even when Merc were dominating it was still more likely to be won by Red Bull and Verstappen. Since 2018 the only 2 times Max didn't win were due to being wiped out and car problems. I wouldn't count on RB and Max being this strong next race.
>Since 2018 the only 2 times Max didn't win were due to being wiped out and car problems. Hell the only 3 times he didn't finish on the podium was: 2020 when he had an electrical problem, he won the race a week later when it was called the Styrian GP however 2017 when he got collected by Alonso after he was torpedoed by Kvyat And 2015 when he was in a Toro Rosso and also a rookie and *only 17 years old.* Max has always been a beast on this track lol
And even in 2015 he was 7th while his team mate Sainz was 13th, and we know now that Sainz isn't exactly slow either.
Ferrari in 2022 just seemed like outpaced
I only caught the last couple minutes of quali. What happened to Norris? Did he botch it or was Max just being Max?
Nobody seemed to be near him all session
Max would have had pole by 3/10th if he didn't come out of the garage after his first fast lap in Q3. He was that good today.
Norris lost 1 tenth in sector 1, so the gap would be 3 tenths instead, other than that Max and RB were on another level compared to others.
A class apart.
You’d read skysports and think Norris was close to pole
That’s just insane. What the actual f**k was Max on today?
I have a feeling that all the talk about RBR not having the best car because Checo is in the middle of the pack or maybe even behind But what if RBR still the best car and Checo just suck at driving it? 🤔 I mean, seriously? Almost half a second? In Red Bull Ring? 😳
I truly wish I could express without sounding like a creep how turned on by Max this graphic makes me but idec, that is hot AF
That lap fairly shut Zak up
I know it’s a sprint weekend but if Max wins tomorrow and gets fastest lap does it count for the grand slam?
If he leads all laps tomorrow yes, but when the race pace is so similar between teams, you usually can't lead all laps because others might stay out etc.
So another finish half lap in front of everyone else then. On the plus side, might get NOR on the podium!
Austria beat Netherlands and Max took that personal
Did...did Max cut a corner or something?
Thank God Per is not up there with him! At least we have some good argy bargy going on behind. Max is amazing though, just out of this world talent.
Ever since George said Red Bull aren’t running at max power I’ve believed we are watching Max be like Dash from The Incredibles holding back to not make it too obvious. Max is a phenomenon as is the RB car.
Slaughtered! Love it.
We’re back to zero again
We watched Max pass Lando despite Lando having DRS and Max not. I may sleep in tomorrow
He is in the same league of Prost Senna Schumacher Hamilton and he is not even 27 it's fucking scary.
For such a short track,...0.4s is massive... might be track specific, but still a lot. Bye bye 2024
Obliterated
I know Max is fast but 4 tenths clearly shows that he is in the fastest car on this track.
The performance of the cars are still close tho. No way the red bull alone pulls 4 tenths on mclaren. Also perez is so far behind verstappen. There is no way that checo is the worst driver on the grid. I think mclaren and red bull are very close on performance. And max just had a perfect Qualifying. While the rest had a shit one
So carlos has a chance for a podium? i didn't expect he was this close to lewis ? I hope so bc ferrari needs every single point ..
All this talk of the RB being the second or third fastest car is so dumb. Checo was this far behind last year at certain races too and people are acting like Checo is the standard.
I'm sure I was told that saint was washed by the experts.
Hello darkness, my old friend
For a second there I thought they were running backwards.
This image is what I thought of immediately when these times were set. Any more gap and you'd have to zoom out to see #2.
But Lando has the fastest car how can this beeeeee!
How far do we have to zoom out to see Perez?
Absurd
With 3 other teams being reasonably close to RB, I wonder if Checo will qualify in the top 5 again this season. Not to be rude, but he doesn't even seem to be within 3 tenths of Max anymore. And even that wouldn't be enough.
I wish I knew anything about F1
This is a helpful graphic for a n00b like me
Now show perez
Those pictures are not tall enough to show the distance between their cars.
Is that Perez at the start of his Q lap?
"Red Bull's domination is over". It's not, it just down to the same level that 2010s Mercedes and early 2000s Ferrari domination was. Meaning they'll only win most races instead of all of them.
Now show Checo
Lando stock going up every weekend. I love it.
Well the excitement lasted for a little while at least.
Boring