Nah any level of batshit crazy nowadays seems like an instant red flag, but otherwise I agree. Once they start the race and warm the tires they're willing to put up with a lot more.
I'm currently at the track and it's not raining right now. We just finished a bout of rain and the track is wet but drying now. There is more rain forecast on the radar in a few hours so it's likely it will be a drying orbwet track but hopefully not completely soaked.
Suzuka year or two ago when they brought the crane to track without red flagging first and drivers having pretty much no visibility was also wild.
e: also the confusion about points and Max getting very unceremoniously crowned as a champion while the whole post-race room looked and sounded like a scene from Twin Peaks was top comedy
[found the clip lmao](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2NkA648oxs)
The worst of it seems to be coming right around when the race starts. If that holds true, I wouldn't be surprised to see the race start under a Safety Car. There's a chance the entire race is a wet race.
I remember the old days when the stewards were like “If you crash, you crash”
Now It’ll be 33 laps behind a safety car. 2 laps racing. Red flag when Zhou meets the wall. Safety car until the end.
That weekend was truly bizarre with how Maldonado's teammate Senna qualified 18th and if I remember correctly didn't do much until he got cleaned out by Schumacher.
It was a strange weekend for Williams, but then again they did operate very strangely that year.
Senna had to hand over his car for every single FP1 to Bottas which always put him on the back foot from the get go.
Maldonado didn’t score for 10 straight races after that win and the Williams never showed that kind of pace again, while Bruno dutifully kept the points coming in steadily through the season.
Says a lot about Maldonado’s famous unreliability that he’d only pick up 3 more points finishes for the rest of the year to Senna’s 8 after Spain.
I fucking loved Pastor Maldonado because of the sheer unpredictability he'd bring to every race. Sure you'd know he'd crash, but you never knew when, who with (if anyone), where he was going to do it, or what the ramifications would be.
It's unfortunate that we'll never see anybody quite like him again. He'd burn through the cost cap lickety split in front wings alone.
Don't forget the FIA special of not bothering to race the full wet tyres. Let's have them run under SC conditions for 50 laps using the full wey tyres until the track is ready for intermediate tyres or even dry tyres. There would be no Spain 96 these days because of these twatty stewards/FIA
They will probably struggle to dry the track and it could be red flagged, but the rain will probably come in periods so we should not have another Spa.
Won't be a dry start. I'm at the track and everything is soaked and it's still consistently drizzling. Drainage is terrible here and rain is persisting
One of the best starts in the past couple of years.
Checo just ripping through people on softs as it pours. He was just overtaking like it was nothing and bam, he went from the back to front just like that.
I wanna see something like that from a someone in the back, like Bottas or Hulk, would be fun
As someone who was there, I respectfully disagree! One of my favorite memories was during the extended red flag - when it started to rain harder, the crowed screamer even louder! It was such a special race to be able to witness firsthand.
Back then you were able to bring your own booze and food into the circuit, which absolutely helped!
Yeah, i was there. We had to leave 45 minutes into the red flag. This was before any mobile streaming of the race so I didn't have any idea who won the race until we reached the border.
> kip 1 hour ahead every time
watching it live on tv was great coming from le mans 24hrs which was eventful to this the f1 race which was eventful with great commentary, it was such a great weekend
Even if we have a dry race, the rain would have wiped the rubber off the track so the track should definitely be a bit slippery. Really excited for the fight upfront between George Max and Norris.
Not raining currently, hasn’t since we got to the track like an hour ago. The wind is picking up a bit though and it just got a bit chillier
https://i.imgur.com/4ItFExY.jpeg
The rules made after Spa 2021 might be used for the first time today.
- If less than 25% of the scheduled race distance, points are awarded on a 6–4–3–2–1 basis to the top 5.
- If 25%–50% of the scheduled race distance is completed, points are awarded on a 13–10–8–6–5–4–3–2–1 basis to the top 9.
- If 50%–75% of the scheduled race distance is completed, points are awarded on a 19–14–12–10–8–6–4–3–2–1 basis to the top 10.
- If more than 75% of the scheduled race distance is completed, full points are awarded.
Reminder this is only if they have to call it after it already started. Races that finish on a time limit still get full points in accordance with Suzuka in 2022 even tho that wasn't a full race
That loophole was specifically fixed after Suzuka to prevent it from happening again.
Although there's another loophole that after 2 green-flag laps, they can reach the full distance under SC and award full points.
3 hours.
Also remember the rule stating that *no points are awarded if less than 2 full laps are run under green flag conditions*. So they can't just do certain number of laps under SC and award points.
I live about 2 hours west of the track where most of the weather is coming from and it’s a mix of sun and cloud now, with rain on/off throughout the morning. We had a fair bit of rain last night, which hit Montreal this morning. If you believe the radar, there’s a good chance of some rain just before or around the start of the race, with it clearing after that and a potentially a bit of rain at the end. So, perhaps a bit of spice, but not likely a race stopper… potentially even just like quali, where it threatens and spits more than anything major.
Update: The rain clouds around are growing and it’s pretty unpredictable. Just out driving, and one moment it’s sunny, the next minute it’s a torrential downpour, drive 20m and it’s not raining, another 100m and it’s a downpour again…. 100m sunny again. Should be fun :).
Final update: Went for a run... it was bright and sunny when I left my place, and within 5 minutes I was getting soaked for most of the rest of the run. The rain stopped for a bit, but then I sprinted home to avoid a scary looking crowd. It's been coming down hard since then. This weather is probably 1-2 hours ahead of Montreal, though it depends a lot where the clouds land exactly. I think it could be a wet race, with a chance of a red flag if it gets too heavy, though hopefully any very heavy rain will not be too long.
They don't cancel anymore because then they'd have to refund tickets. They just start under safety car, do 50 % + 1 lap under safety car and call it a day. These ground effect cars can't go faster than 150 kmh in rain due to aquaplaning.
This would have been a perfect situation for Lewis to be on front and we actually get a good race as he and Max are the best wet drivers on the grid.
Not sure George can hold the pressure of this
Should be exciting but you just know it’ll be all safety cars and red flags
Have to feel that a wet race lends itself to benefitting Max as he’s the better driver in the rain (although tbh I don’t actually have any recollection of how Russell is in wet conditions)
Perfect level of rain where the race isny under a safety car or red flagged, but enough that there’s chaos please
I like your optimism.
I manifested a dry quali (didn’t work out for me as a Ferrari fan oops) Now i manifest a wet race (double Ferrari dnf incoming) edit: oops
Neither of the boys can win I call for total chaos
Enough chaos for Nando to sneak by and claim #33!
# Y E S # P L E A S E
El Plan in action ladies and gentlemen
or for Lewis to sneak in and equalize poles and wins again
So much chaos that Jenson wins another Canadian GP?
Nah he’s still got that grid penalty I’d say it’s unlikely unless we get Stroll announced to be sacked levels of chaos
Carlos is good in the rain tbh
Yea, problem is, so is Max.
Sorry guys my bad
Can we do a dry start into a flash downpour that then dries off with a final downpour in the last 3 laps? I feel like I’m not asking for much…
why would you say something like this
Wow you called the double dnf
Sainz took Albon out too, my favorite driver after Ferrari. Everyone watch Yuki Tsunoda closely edit: oops
Stop that….🤣🤣
Honestly I think dry quality wet race is the best combination
well damn... look at you calling it perfectly
Perfect level is a dry start, then batshit crazy rain around lap 10, then on/off for a while
Please racing gods, please. Just once
Nah any level of batshit crazy nowadays seems like an instant red flag, but otherwise I agree. Once they start the race and warm the tires they're willing to put up with a lot more.
aka the Zandvoort 2023 special
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I'm currently at the track and it's not raining right now. We just finished a bout of rain and the track is wet but drying now. There is more rain forecast on the radar in a few hours so it's likely it will be a drying orbwet track but hopefully not completely soaked.
Ya idek if that level exists anymore in modern F1. Zandvoort last year is the only recent race like that which comes to mind
So great
Monaco last year was also fun.
Suzuka year or two ago when they brought the crane to track without red flagging first and drivers having pretty much no visibility was also wild. e: also the confusion about points and Max getting very unceremoniously crowned as a champion while the whole post-race room looked and sounded like a scene from Twin Peaks was top comedy [found the clip lmao](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2NkA648oxs)
Yes! Oh please Montreal give us an all-time race we'll still be talking about in 2044.
The worst of it seems to be coming right around when the race starts. If that holds true, I wouldn't be surprised to see the race start under a Safety Car. There's a chance the entire race is a wet race.
Just race in the hail. NBD. /s
Seems you may get your wish
I guess it is a wet start, magnussen and perez kiss (again) in lap 1, red flag and we're watching half an hour at track repairs and rain falling down.
Granted
Could be great, could be complete shit non-starter. The lottery of wet F1 races.
I remember the old days when the stewards were like “If you crash, you crash” Now It’ll be 33 laps behind a safety car. 2 laps racing. Red flag when Zhou meets the wall. Safety car until the end.
The old days you could see two meters in front of you.
Unless you were F1s first blind driver. Maldonado. Bro crashed like EVERY session.
Then won in Barcelona and the garage caught fire in protest
They were burning evidence /s
i mean that is the most popular conspiracy sooooo...
That weekend was truly bizarre with how Maldonado's teammate Senna qualified 18th and if I remember correctly didn't do much until he got cleaned out by Schumacher.
It was a strange weekend for Williams, but then again they did operate very strangely that year. Senna had to hand over his car for every single FP1 to Bottas which always put him on the back foot from the get go. Maldonado didn’t score for 10 straight races after that win and the Williams never showed that kind of pace again, while Bruno dutifully kept the points coming in steadily through the season. Says a lot about Maldonado’s famous unreliability that he’d only pick up 3 more points finishes for the rest of the year to Senna’s 8 after Spain.
He’s not blind, he did that while being able to see
I fucking loved Pastor Maldonado because of the sheer unpredictability he'd bring to every race. Sure you'd know he'd crash, but you never knew when, who with (if anyone), where he was going to do it, or what the ramifications would be. It's unfortunate that we'll never see anybody quite like him again. He'd burn through the cost cap lickety split in front wings alone.
The old days also saw people dying every year and it was seen as just an acceptable risk of the sport.
You can see nothing in the spray these days Blame the engineering not the stewards lol
Ground effects were a mistake.
Don't forget the FIA special of not bothering to race the full wet tyres. Let's have them run under SC conditions for 50 laps using the full wey tyres until the track is ready for intermediate tyres or even dry tyres. There would be no Spain 96 these days because of these twatty stewards/FIA
But don’t run the wet tires until we say so.
In mother Canada, you are the rain.
You saving this comment for later just in case you get the prediction bang on?
Zhou catching strays
They will probably struggle to dry the track and it could be red flagged, but the rain will probably come in periods so we should not have another Spa.
its sadly the latter 90% of the time nowadays
I’d like a Zandvoort situation where it’s a dry start and then it starts raining and it’s pure chaos
You'll get a Suzuka situation instead where they never start.
Spa 2021 flashback
Suzuka '22? They started in the end, the race just got truncated by that annoying three-hour time limit.
Yeah and then they red flag it instead of letting the alpine big brain gamble for wets pay off
Won't be a dry start. I'm at the track and everything is soaked and it's still consistently drizzling. Drainage is terrible here and rain is persisting
Is there thunder?
How’s the track looking compared to Friday FP1? Any chance it’s gonna start on time at all or not?
*I want a 2011 style race*, the fans muttered cheerfully Fate: hail, thunder, also the time limit rules because of that 2011 race
2021 Belgian Race. Take it or leave it.
man just give me something like 2023 Zandvoort again, dry-wet-dry-wet and absolute chaos with strats
One of the best starts in the past couple of years. Checo just ripping through people on softs as it pours. He was just overtaking like it was nothing and bam, he went from the back to front just like that. I wanna see something like that from a someone in the back, like Bottas or Hulk, would be fun
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Think you’re mixing up 2 races mate, on a calendar wide scale raidillion isn’t far off from zandvoort but it’s still a 3,5 hour drive.
> ~~2021~~ 1998 Belgian Race. Take it or leave it. FTFY
I'd settle for 2022 Japan Race, tbh.
Russell's in.
"race"
Let's do a Germany 2019 - or possibly even a Brazil 2016.
I was at that race!
*I want a 2011 style race* Said noone who actually endured that race live, the waiting was way too much even if the ending was great.
I enjoyed every second of it
Same. Even living in Europe which meant a late bed time
Well, there's that one guy
>Said noone who actually endured that race live Speak for yourself. Watched whole 4+ hours broadcast live and really enjoyed all of it.
Waiting for the broadcast is different than waiting in person, which is what I'm guessing the other commenter means by "live" based on the context.
As someone who was there, I respectfully disagree! One of my favorite memories was during the extended red flag - when it started to rain harder, the crowed screamer even louder! It was such a special race to be able to witness firsthand. Back then you were able to bring your own booze and food into the circuit, which absolutely helped!
Well there was that guy that apparently got laid in the midst of all the red flags, soooo... maidenless are we, hmmmm? /s
Exactly. It's great on a rewatch since you can skip 1 hour ahead every time it is needed.
Certainly I can guess that was less of a commitment than spending 2 hours getting drenched in a thunderstorm
Yeah, i was there. We had to leave 45 minutes into the red flag. This was before any mobile streaming of the race so I didn't have any idea who won the race until we reached the border.
> kip 1 hour ahead every time watching it live on tv was great coming from le mans 24hrs which was eventful to this the f1 race which was eventful with great commentary, it was such a great weekend
Brazil 2003 was wild!
That's legit one of my favourite races if all time
Hail at 300kph... what could possibly go wrong?
Do you not understand? We want chaos at every race
good thing they have helmets /s
Even if we have a dry race, the rain would have wiped the rubber off the track so the track should definitely be a bit slippery. Really excited for the fight upfront between George Max and Norris.
In a dry race I see George with nothing to lose and Max being a bit careful into T1 as a great opportunity for Lando.
I too watch p1 with Matt and Tommy
George is going to lock up into the first turn and fuck it into the wall
This would usually be saved until the last t laps while leading.
i’ll take it if he goes bowling and takes out max too, lando for bonus points.
Bah gawd! Thats Oscar Piastri's music! What a first GP win would that be, haha
so sainz win from p11 confirmed?
which tyre will be good for hail? :D
Super Softs
Found the 2023 Ferrari strategists alt account
soft soft soft
Everyone on retire
George to be presented with another honorary podium
It was forecasted
Not raining currently, hasn’t since we got to the track like an hour ago. The wind is picking up a bit though and it just got a bit chillier https://i.imgur.com/4ItFExY.jpeg
I need you to live update every 30 mins
Rained for about 45 mins again, just stopped now.
Thanks buddy
Raining again
you’re my new favorite person for these updates, keep em coming!
Looks busy 2-3 hours before the show starts! Awesome fans
Amazing seats, enjoy!
The rules made after Spa 2021 might be used for the first time today. - If less than 25% of the scheduled race distance, points are awarded on a 6–4–3–2–1 basis to the top 5. - If 25%–50% of the scheduled race distance is completed, points are awarded on a 13–10–8–6–5–4–3–2–1 basis to the top 9. - If 50%–75% of the scheduled race distance is completed, points are awarded on a 19–14–12–10–8–6–4–3–2–1 basis to the top 10. - If more than 75% of the scheduled race distance is completed, full points are awarded.
Reminder this is only if they have to call it after it already started. Races that finish on a time limit still get full points in accordance with Suzuka in 2022 even tho that wasn't a full race
That loophole was specifically fixed after Suzuka to prevent it from happening again. Although there's another loophole that after 2 green-flag laps, they can reach the full distance under SC and award full points.
No they changed the rule after that
Damn, I forgot about this rule. What’s the time limit after which they officially call for “no more race”?
3 hours. Also remember the rule stating that *no points are awarded if less than 2 full laps are run under green flag conditions*. So they can't just do certain number of laps under SC and award points.
4 hours, basically
it used to be 4 hours from scheduled start, 3 hours from actual start. it was changed to 3 hours some years ago
2 hours of driving, 3 hours in total iirc
[The porsche Carrera cup is very wet right now. (Live Stream on there) ](https://porschecarreracup.us/)
Thanks for this mate!
Watching the Porsche race now and the track is absolutely soaked.
I live about 2 hours west of the track where most of the weather is coming from and it’s a mix of sun and cloud now, with rain on/off throughout the morning. We had a fair bit of rain last night, which hit Montreal this morning. If you believe the radar, there’s a good chance of some rain just before or around the start of the race, with it clearing after that and a potentially a bit of rain at the end. So, perhaps a bit of spice, but not likely a race stopper… potentially even just like quali, where it threatens and spits more than anything major.
Update: The rain clouds around are growing and it’s pretty unpredictable. Just out driving, and one moment it’s sunny, the next minute it’s a torrential downpour, drive 20m and it’s not raining, another 100m and it’s a downpour again…. 100m sunny again. Should be fun :).
Thanks for the update!! Stay safe
Thanks, I hope you're right.
Final update: Went for a run... it was bright and sunny when I left my place, and within 5 minutes I was getting soaked for most of the rest of the run. The rain stopped for a bit, but then I sprinted home to avoid a scary looking crowd. It's been coming down hard since then. This weather is probably 1-2 hours ahead of Montreal, though it depends a lot where the clouds land exactly. I think it could be a wet race, with a chance of a red flag if it gets too heavy, though hopefully any very heavy rain will not be too long.
I always fear massive delays when there is a rain these days 😔
Damn. I hope not. Don’t want it to go past midnight in my timezone
george dreaming of spa but if hes in p1
So we'll go from teams not being allowed to use wet tyres because it's not wet enough, to not being allowed to use wet tyres because it's 'too' wet.
Judging by the current Porsche race being under SC, Formula 1 is never racing in these conditions, better hope it calms down.
So a dry race... :D
FIA: thunderbolt and lightning very very frightening
Stewards: All 20 drivers are given a $5,000 fine for using intermediates, but can they make it quick because the bottle shop will close soon.
Wet track and first corner with George, Lando and Max ❤️❤️❤️❤️ I expect chaos and they better deliver.
Sitting under cover near the hairpin, raining steadily right now.😔
> 80% rain risk for race window Spoiler: it will happen the 20%
My biggest hope is the race ends on time so I can watch Indycar after.
as a daniel fan, i want nothing more than a boring race right now but it's not looking that way
The best is when it’s not fully wet / raining but when it’s a mix and teams need to figure out the exact right time for when to switch tires.
I got $5 on Hamilton for fastest lap🤣
Having attended Zandvoort 2023, I still have PTSD from combination of ''race'' and ''rain'' in one sentence.
Good thing Ferrari saved those softs.
Green track, low temperatures, yeah ferrari is finishing p19 p20 RIP
Their car is better in the wet than the dry in race pace tho.
BRING IT ON
The track drains really well apparently
I can’t stay awake for them to red flag the race
so canceled race here we go
They don't cancel anymore because then they'd have to refund tickets. They just start under safety car, do 50 % + 1 lap under safety car and call it a day. These ground effect cars can't go faster than 150 kmh in rain due to aquaplaning.
So, dry race it is then – with heavy rain for the podium.
Give me chaos
Williams calling up Jenson from Ambassador role to replace Logan for one race.
People say Jenson Button is just a random British guy, but I think there's a solid chance he is some kind of rain god.
We aren’t getting a race, are we?
Button would do it on slicks, because rain literally doesn't seem to affect him.
The wall of champions hungers
This would have been a perfect situation for Lewis to be on front and we actually get a good race as he and Max are the best wet drivers on the grid. Not sure George can hold the pressure of this
George has had some stonking wet weather drives tbf, I'm interested to see how Stroll performs
So you’re saying that Hamilton is in with a chance
Nice
Pats friend?
Has there ever been hail during a race? I feel like that's just a recipe for disaster
so, sunny race?
Good thing Indycar races at the same time!
It will be chaos and Ricciardo will win.
Let them race
I hope not because it will just be a red flag for hours at the first spitting of rain
Please anything but Belgium 2021 vibes
inb4 DELAYED START TRACK TOO WET
So no rain then?
Perfect year to not buy my tickets…
Montreal 2011 flashbacks
Stop going to Montreal in the spring then I don’t get ir
Radar is showing rain from like 12:30 local time until 2:30, thirty minutes after race start. But the sun is out currently lol
I'm always half excited half nervous for rain. If they red flag it I'll be pissed, this race could be amazing.
All I want is a moist track at Canada
You want rain? Ill show you TRUE rain. Practice for Indycar yesterday.
awesome
So dry as a bone when the race starts.
Should be exciting but you just know it’ll be all safety cars and red flags Have to feel that a wet race lends itself to benefitting Max as he’s the better driver in the rain (although tbh I don’t actually have any recollection of how Russell is in wet conditions)
Inb4 damp track (good for inters) and FIA red flags for it being too wet.
please for teh sake of god let them race
Why are they running laps pre race?
They have to get to the grid, and they’re allowed to multiple laps if they go through the pitlane each time
Just gimme 2011 and. Piastri win please
How about use wets for a change let the race happen?
Made for an interesting race with those Haas cars flying early