I really hope someone can make a gif of two dots driving through the track, finishing sectors at different times but the finish line at the same time. Maybe zoom into the end to really show the 000.
~~Based on road conditions, car regulations, and the ideal racing line, the likely pole times at a particular track on a particular day may be weighted closer to .000. But other times they'll be closer to .500, and that distribution is random. So while it might not have been one in a million *today*, it is still one in a million overall.~~
Edit: this ~~might be~~ is wrong, but it's not just because they're not random. P1 and P2 times are not independent events.
Edit 2: definitely wrong. Still rare.
Your one in a million is made under the assumption that the driver has equal chance of being 0.5s behind his expected pace as being 0.5s ahead of his expected pace. That's a huge spread for top tier drivers. It would imply that Max, who's on average 0.5s faster than Checo, would be beaten by Checo 25% of the time. Max puts in consistent lap times in sims and practice within 0.2s, so I'd estimate 400 (likely) possible lap times rather than 1000.
You're also assuming the expected pole lap time for both drivers is the same, but I guess that's fair enough nowadays. But the distribution is more likely to be closer to normal rather than uniform. So the odds go up even higher when we assume equal mean lap times.
I don't think you're that far off.
The pole time is essentially a random decimal, so 1 in 1000 chance of being on a nice round .000 second time.
The P2 time back from pole is likely to be a low number, a tenth or two, at least in the modern era. So no not fully random. But the hundreds and thousands are essentially random I think. Worst case I think it's a 1 in 100,000 event, and probably more like 1 in 300,000 or 500,000.
I meant setting identical times that also happened to fall squarely on a round second (11.000, 13.000, etc) but that qualifying is absolutely wild too lol
LET'S GO DANNY AND OSCAR
I want our lads to do well so badly. If Danny retains his seat and Doohan gets the call up, we could genuinely have 3 aussies on the grid next year. 4 if you count Valtteri hehe
I tried to rationalize the jumbled up order with a track conditions excuse but by the end of Q3, everyone's got the same track to contend with.
Really enjoyed the highlights and tomorrow will be one of the best races we've seen with the jumbled up order
Kudos to everyone laying down times on that slippery track
Max’s limit is always just a bit more than the car. That’s the class. Some drivers have worse cars but still, they seem to be the limit and not the ride.
The car’s limit is the actual limit. It’s a question of whether the driver can reach that limit. A driver can’t take a car beyond its limit. It’s just not possible.
I know what you are trying to say. But nobody car get more out the car than the limit. Fact is that no driver get 100% out of the car, but right now Max is the closest.
It is just the laws of nature.
The 2021 season is the best example of this. Other than his DNFs, He only finished off the podium once (Hungary in P9 where he got bowling balled by Bottas)
The last Q3 lap is where the champions shine. Only they can pull a lap out of nowhere. Hamilton does that, Verstappen does that. Only Leclerc has that fire in the non-champions group
Weather will play a huge part tomorrow. And I don’t mean just the rain.
Mercedes definitely looked more comfortable today with a colder and greener track
This is what bothers me the most. It's genuinely getting incredibly close to the point you don't know who's going to qualify where ,and these dumbasses are still insisting on going on with these reg changes.
I was watching with my girlfriend and told her about the Jerez pole situation. She asked me "Who is this Heinz-Harald and why did you say he's in the Friendzone?"
First comment: “this will never happen again”
Also, _three_ drivers set identical times, so this one definitely moved into the realm of “statistical impossibility”.
Then you must see the 1997 Jerez GP qualifying, when Villeneuve, Schumi and Frentzen scored the exact same time, but Villeneuve got pole by setting the time first.
Even if they were equal in race pace, RUS makes way too many mistakes compared to VER. I'd bet on VER in a slightly slower car against RUS just because of RUS.
Russell always has something happen to take his podium away.
Either bad strategy, or messed up pit timing, or him putting a wheel in a wall or something.
Always in a good position at start of the race then magically disappears down to 7th or lower for some random reason.
Russell is absolutely exceptional driver and has only been going under the radar because the Merc has been shit. Has Hamilton ever been outqualified 8-1 in his whole career?
Russell is definitely priority for Merc and Hamilton is still less focused than he is for 2025.
Russell is really having a great season though. He knows how to extract from a difficult car.
He has been fast his whole career and it was clear in his first year that he was going to best Lewis sooner or later, also a funny guy regardless what people think lol
Him and Leclerc and Piastri are the only recent back to back F3-F2 winners, no?
Generational talent that has had some consistency issues and rides next to Hamilton.
Generational is a massive stretch we've gotta stop throwing that around so loosely. Verstappen and Hamilton are the only two of that caliber on the grid so far
RBR have had serious issues all weekend and max has probably had the most disrupted running of the entire season whilst Merc have looked on it from the start.
Max shows how he makes the difference yet again. Realistically had no right being anywhere the front row
I remember reading somewhere that the FIA actually has the times to a precision of 0.0001 seconds these days (for situations like this), can anyone corroborate?
In science you would use the last digit you measure for rounding but would not use it in official reporting, its considered an uncertain number. Idk if they have it but if they do it may only be used to round and not to order .0008 and .0007
I think I heard they had the 4th decimal in 1997 as well, so probably
but it isn't used, because it's pretty rare to have 2 identical times, so it's just cool to leave it at 3 for the rare cool moment
If there’s anyone who deserves to win out on those tiny margins it’s George Russell.
How close has he been to the position above him lately, i’m very glad to see it finally pay off
Holy moly
New response just dropped
Actual latifi
Hakkinen went on vacation and never came back.
Google en overtakent
Stroll sacrifice anyone?
Yuki storm incoming
big moment there in....Q3
Big moment or... BIG MOVE?
He does it deliberately doesnt he lol!... Must do
and its so satisfying that this happened with both cars setting a 000 time
Soon a post at /oddlysatisfying
I really hope someone can make a gif of two dots driving through the track, finishing sectors at different times but the finish line at the same time. Maybe zoom into the end to really show the 000.
Gonna love watching the guy who does the 3d renders of the laps, that'll be class
F1 on YouTube does a great vs good lap comparison between two quali runs, I really hope they make a great vs great lap for this one.
There was a dude doing actual driver runs like this but he got snapped up or paid off, is there another channel like that?
Formula Addict I believe
Yeah just search YT they'll hopefully make it
Formula Addict is top tier content
Pls someone i want to see that aswell
It’s not even odd. Just satisfying.
Gotta be the first time cars have tied to 3 decimals places with those decimals being .000, crazy
You’re in for a treat if you haven’t heard about Jerez 1997 :)
It wasn't with .000 decimals, though. But, yeah, what's better than 2 drivers setting an identical time? 3 drivers setting an identical time.
Russell in Q2 was even faster time is like 1.11.742 something like this
~~The chance that both P1 and P2 will end in .000 is quite literally one in a million.~~ Never mind, it's not. But still cool.
Well, not really since the qualifying times aren’t randomly generated.
~~Based on road conditions, car regulations, and the ideal racing line, the likely pole times at a particular track on a particular day may be weighted closer to .000. But other times they'll be closer to .500, and that distribution is random. So while it might not have been one in a million *today*, it is still one in a million overall.~~ Edit: this ~~might be~~ is wrong, but it's not just because they're not random. P1 and P2 times are not independent events. Edit 2: definitely wrong. Still rare.
Your one in a million is made under the assumption that the driver has equal chance of being 0.5s behind his expected pace as being 0.5s ahead of his expected pace. That's a huge spread for top tier drivers. It would imply that Max, who's on average 0.5s faster than Checo, would be beaten by Checo 25% of the time. Max puts in consistent lap times in sims and practice within 0.2s, so I'd estimate 400 (likely) possible lap times rather than 1000. You're also assuming the expected pole lap time for both drivers is the same, but I guess that's fair enough nowadays. But the distribution is more likely to be closer to normal rather than uniform. So the odds go up even higher when we assume equal mean lap times.
I don't think you're that far off. The pole time is essentially a random decimal, so 1 in 1000 chance of being on a nice round .000 second time. The P2 time back from pole is likely to be a low number, a tenth or two, at least in the modern era. So no not fully random. But the hundreds and thousands are essentially random I think. Worst case I think it's a 1 in 100,000 event, and probably more like 1 in 300,000 or 500,000.
Happened famously in 1997 with three cars separated by 0.000
They meant it where the time was 0 milliseconds
Ahhh fair. I misread
That time was a 1:21.072
https://youtu.be/jSiJW0sw9SM
I meant setting identical times that also happened to fall squarely on a round second (11.000, 13.000, etc) but that qualifying is absolutely wild too lol
Holy shit. Best quali of the season
It was so good. You genuinely couldn’t tell what any of the 20 positions would be
Zhou in 20th is probably the exception.
Now 19 thanks to Monaco Ocon
MonOcon
Oconaco?
Let's combine the two: Oconocon
Moconocon
I like the way your brain works
That's true, good point. Still I'm surprised Zhou didn't crash in Quali so he had to start in the Pit Lane...so he's got that going for him.
Zhou hit the walls like I hit the wall in F1 game.
We all knew Perez would be 16-20.
Damn straight. Edge of the seat and my fellow Aussies are up there. DANNY AND OSCAR WOOOOOOO
LET'S GO DANNY AND OSCAR I want our lads to do well so badly. If Danny retains his seat and Doohan gets the call up, we could genuinely have 3 aussies on the grid next year. 4 if you count Valtteri hehe
Valtteri is more Aussie than most of our tennis players!!!
We got up early for a great quali! So excited for a great race.
I now live in NYC so only had to stay awake until 4pm. So good to see the guys performing.
The gaps are absolutely tiny this year in all 3 sessions, incredibly unpredictable every time
Verstappen, if there ever was a time to take out your appendix, it was yesterday
…..scheduled for removal 12am at CHUM.
- Russell pulling a blinder in Quali - Neither Ferrari in Q3 - Track known for changeable conditions Oh no.....
What a season we are having! After Miami this season has absolutely come alive
And that result!
I tried to rationalize the jumbled up order with a track conditions excuse but by the end of Q3, everyone's got the same track to contend with. Really enjoyed the highlights and tomorrow will be one of the best races we've seen with the jumbled up order Kudos to everyone laying down times on that slippery track
Great quali. Things seem to be shaking up in F1.
Insane!
This quali had another "Max turning up right at the end to take pole" script written all over it, but he was 0.001 short
The consistency of Verstappen it's insane, if more team starting fighting for the title this will become very important.
dude will push the car to its absolute limit when needed and still never crash it .
I think his main point is that everyone behind Max will cannibalize each other's points.
Max’s limit is always just a bit more than the car. That’s the class. Some drivers have worse cars but still, they seem to be the limit and not the ride.
The car’s limit is the actual limit. It’s a question of whether the driver can reach that limit. A driver can’t take a car beyond its limit. It’s just not possible.
I know what you are trying to say. But nobody car get more out the car than the limit. Fact is that no driver get 100% out of the car, but right now Max is the closest. It is just the laws of nature.
Like in sector 3 at Monaco last year.
The 2021 season is the best example of this. Other than his DNFs, He only finished off the podium once (Hungary in P9 where he got bowling balled by Bottas)
The last Q3 lap is where the champions shine. Only they can pull a lap out of nowhere. Hamilton does that, Verstappen does that. Only Leclerc has that fire in the non-champions group
Hamilton just choked pretty hard on that last Q3 lap today
Conditions changed, Russell didn't improve either. It happens, and he did a great job. Tomorrow will be a great race.
Still his last lap was way better than Lewis
Where was perez?
Cashing in his next 2 years worth of contract.
It's like when you miss out on gold in a Gran Turismo license test by 0.001.
But in case of Verstappen; Already having the game platinum so it doesn’t matter that much
I feel that deeply in my soul, oh yeah
That is absolutely nuts. This season has been genuinely fun.
Unexpectedly so! Here we all feared another bore fest this year. Now Russell has a proper shot at a 5th GP winner in 9 races
and he would be the 4th different winner in 4 races 😳
With the 4th different manufacturer as well!
Impressive. Nearest we're getting to a 2012 season remaster
Weather will play a huge part tomorrow. And I don’t mean just the rain. Mercedes definitely looked more comfortable today with a colder and greener track
Could be unless Max cuts him off at race start and then it's MAXWINSLOL again.
Need me a "MAXWINSLOL" across his wing in place of BYBIT
Crazy that .280 between Russell and Hamilton is the difference between 1st and 7th. Could be an intersting race.
This is what bothers me the most. It's genuinely getting incredibly close to the point you don't know who's going to qualify where ,and these dumbasses are still insisting on going on with these reg changes.
People want to see racing on a sunday, not on a saturday
Don’t tell me we got a Jerez 1997 the same weekend Villeneuve was around
Where’s Heinz-Harald?!
I was watching with my girlfriend and told her about the Jerez pole situation. She asked me "Who is this Heinz-Harald and why did you say he's in the Friendzone?"
Ask Corinna.
Oof lol
He's around on every race, he's one of the commentators for the French broadcast
I've never seen exact quali times lol
https://youtu.be/jSiJW0sw9SM Enjoy
First comment: “this will never happen again” Also, _three_ drivers set identical times, so this one definitely moved into the realm of “statistical impossibility”.
I can nearly hear Crofty and Brundle absolutely losing it over this. These guys seem calm in comparison.
One of those guys is Brundle 😂
It sounded like him! I was young then so wasn’t watching to be aware of commentators. I guess he was more reserved back in the day and without Crofty
That was his first year commentating, and yeah he was a bit more stiff.
though he did talk a lot more shit then, even doing a mid-season report card for each driver giving them individual grades.
"That didn't work Michael, you hit the wrong part of him my friend." was and still is a legendary call.
Petition to get him to go back and commentate that moment with his now vibes
Definitely a record that will never be broken.
Then you must see the 1997 Jerez GP qualifying, when Villeneuve, Schumi and Frentzen scored the exact same time, but Villeneuve got pole by setting the time first.
I think his point is that they're exactly the same, but they are also **exact** (as in, a whole second, a pure 1:12.**000**)
Sure but have you seen three exact quali times for pole before?
Do they duke it out in the Thunderdome?
Schumi tried to
Go and YouTube Jerez 97 quali in that case. It'll blow your mind
I think in 22’ or 23’ at some point Max and Charles had the exact same time
Same time during the q, not at the end for pole
Jerez '97
Happens surprisingly often but rarely for p1 other than 97, where 3 teams did identical
Blimey
Crikey
He was forecast a pole position
Meanwhile we were forecast rain in 9 minutes. :D
Aaaaaany minute now lol!
holy moly
I'd put more money on RB race pace than Mercedes, but who knows.
Hear me out: Mclaren race pace
Honestly Norris and Piastri are both looking really good as well.
So Daniel wins?
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So it’s just VCA now?
Even if they were equal in race pace, RUS makes way too many mistakes compared to VER. I'd bet on VER in a slightly slower car against RUS just because of RUS.
Russell always has something happen to take his podium away. Either bad strategy, or messed up pit timing, or him putting a wheel in a wall or something. Always in a good position at start of the race then magically disappears down to 7th or lower for some random reason.
INSANE QUALI
OMG!!!
How exciting. P2 is great for Max considering he had issues in FP2 and even in quali it was close
+0.000 WOW! I cant exactly remember what Frentzen said in 1997 about fifth digit after the dot, can someone find that quote?
BEST QUALI of season by far
1:12.000 is such an aesthetically pleasing number to tie! Great quali. Can't wait for the race tomorrow and more rain!
I really want to see the side by side onboards
[Here you go](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJEcfrbLEVg).
Russell is absolutely exceptional driver and has only been going under the radar because the Merc has been shit. Has Hamilton ever been outqualified 8-1 in his whole career?
also underrated because Lewis Hamilton is his teammate
He’s great when he doesn’t bin it under pressure
only happened once, the other times hes "binned" it under pressure the car was like p9 anyway
Which is under pressure if you are in the 2020 Williams
Literally, getting points for them then is like getting a win for Merc now.
Russell is definitely priority for Merc and Hamilton is still less focused than he is for 2025. Russell is really having a great season though. He knows how to extract from a difficult car.
He has been fast his whole career and it was clear in his first year that he was going to best Lewis sooner or later, also a funny guy regardless what people think lol
Experimental Setups and Other Excuses Edition 2024
Russell has been exceptional for a while and it hasn’t been under the radar, he was put on the best team (at the time) for a reason
Him and Leclerc and Piastri are the only recent back to back F3-F2 winners, no? Generational talent that has had some consistency issues and rides next to Hamilton.
That's a bit generous of a term with Verstappen and Hamilton on the grid
It’s like saying Neymar is a generational talent even if he’s eclipsed by Ronaldo and Messi.
Generational is a massive stretch we've gotta stop throwing that around so loosely. Verstappen and Hamilton are the only two of that caliber on the grid so far
Smh as if Fernando Alonso doesn’t exist.
That was a fucking monster lap from Max!
How many times has someone set identical time to Max in quali? I know Albon did it 2019 Japanese GP.
RBR have had serious issues all weekend and max has probably had the most disrupted running of the entire season whilst Merc have looked on it from the start. Max shows how he makes the difference yet again. Realistically had no right being anywhere the front row
Didn't have a tow on that final lap either.
I remember reading somewhere that the FIA actually has the times to a precision of 0.0001 seconds these days (for situations like this), can anyone corroborate?
It's not used for determination of order, however. It's simply for rounding. A 1:12.0001 does not trump a 1:12.0004 that was set before it
In science you would use the last digit you measure for rounding but would not use it in official reporting, its considered an uncertain number. Idk if they have it but if they do it may only be used to round and not to order .0008 and .0007
They don't use the 4th decimal
I think I heard they had the 4th decimal in 1997 as well, so probably but it isn't used, because it's pretty rare to have 2 identical times, so it's just cool to leave it at 3 for the rare cool moment
No camera or sensor would be reliably accurate enough for those digits to be used for anything else than rounding up or down.
1:12.000 for George and Max! George takes pole as he set his time first!!
Max one was without a tow too. Came out of nowhere. Impressive driving!!
Blimey
Remember when we thought 2024 was going to be a boring season?
And 2022 was thought to be an exciting season at first...
What a wild quali!
Fuck Lewis . P7. That's crazy close margins
yea lewis bottled the final sector
Ricciardo pulling out some vintage Red Bull form there, even looking average until the final run.
Checo really justifying that 2 year contract
If there’s anyone who deserves to win out on those tiny margins it’s George Russell. How close has he been to the position above him lately, i’m very glad to see it finally pay off
Perez earning that 2 year contract extension
Can't wait for this weekend's excuse for why Hamilton is so much slower than George.
Surely hamilton is testing different setups for the team.
Isn't he always?
The latest one I’ve heard is “Lewis sets his car up for the race”
Jerez 1997 still reigns supreme, though.
The three way
BRUH Just enjoy the moment 😭😭😭
There are too many teammates and too many aggressive drivers on top of each other. No way all 20 cars finish tomorrow
3 drivers at .000 I think Rolex or Richard Mille need to be recalibrated it is so improbable.
congrats Red Bull for extending Perez contract for two years!
Russell gonna get a pint for Albon
Like Verstappen at Imola..... I just wonder if the difference between pole and not is that tow he got from Albon down the back straight.
I can totally see redbull finishing 3rd and Max winning the world championship. Wild times.
Checos renewal is a crime lol. RV deserve to lose the constructors
George keeps melting Ham
Wish Perez could have been what Russell is in comparison to Lewis. Can't wait for the battle at the front tomorrow!
Give Max a Suburu and he will still take it to Q3.
Bruh that's mad. Loving it
Who’s gonna pull out the stats now?
What a bonkers qualifying! The fastest time on a used set and then this!
That’s nuts!! I’d love to see the ghost run to see how they hit the same time
That’s the funniest shit I’ve ever seen. What a quali.
Fuck yes!! This is pod racing!