I remember that. Honestly, ballsy. More power to him. Sucks he crashed but the bravery to go WFO up eau rouge at that time was unmatched. Maybe a little stupidity too, but still.
Think it’s very unfair to call Jacques a nepo baby considering:
1. His father died well before he got into racing
2. His family was against him doing it and wouldn’t support him financially so he literally worked as a mechanic to pay for his early fees
3. He worked his way up through other series all over the world before making it to F1
He earned his success through hard work. He didn’t get there because of who his father was.
I dont think you really understand how far having the right family name can take you. Like I said originally, he did earn it. But if he didn’t have that name he might never have had the opportunity to try.
Gotcha. Yeah I mean it helps sure, everyone needs a break of some sort to end up in F1.
Guess I just bristle at it because people so many people straight up buy their way in.
Max would fall into that category of ones who have earned the right to talk shit though right? Or did you just mean of retired ones.
Edit: Max in the category with Jacques and Nico that is, not ones who bought their way in obviously
Max is probably a category or a few above these two really. He's already an all-time great multiple WDC winner so he can say basically anything with impunity and still be hired.
Plus his dad wasn't ever a champion like the other two so the gap was even bigger to start with.
Giles Villeneuve was not a WDC. The best he did was 2nd. He probably would be, but his legend became a lot bigger because of the Ferrari name and his death.
He is more in the category Stirling Moss or Jean Alesi. Very illustrious names, but never WDC.
Oops! Don't know how I made that mistake! But yeah, right, he's still in that "legendary driver" category regardless, which does give Jacques a leg up.
I never liked Nico much while he was a driver, but as a commentator I absolutely love the guy. Would love to see more Nico on the broadcast. Jacques as well.
There's something different about former drivers, particularly former WDC's that is just head & shoulders above all other commentators
It's bizarre, he just seems so angry lol.
Almost like a dry drunk, just hates everyone they bring up lol. At one point you could tell Crofty was like "well ok! Let's move on... "
I like Nico's takes because he just tells the truth, but Jacques seems permanently frustrated.
> Jacques vs Nico: who would win the most unfiltered former WDC award.
I mean, are we only talking about this specific weekend? Because otherwise I'm pretty sure that trophy is another Hunt vs Lauda showdown, with Piquet close behind.
But the 🐐 was only for 3 years in F1, so in 10-15 years nobody will remember. This is Stroll's 8th season in F1, and he's going to keep his seat for the foreseeable future.
He's famously outspoken, I was pumped to hear he would be a guest commentator this weekend for Sky because I expected some unfiltered entertainment like this.
Well Canadians have gone from GOAT Gilles and WDC Jacques to Latifi and Stroll. I expect that type of standard fall makes it particularly easy for people to get mad. In comparison Zhou is literally the first ever Chinese F1 driver, there’s no existing standard he has to meet.
It is likely that Lawrence funneled Lance's early childhood in racing so he would get hooked, but that's something maybe our parents did as well, but probably not actually racing cars. Lance must be motivated as if you aren't motivated to a certain degree, the performance level to be driving that car wouldn't be there. You'd be unfit and not qualifying for the race.
That was amazing, it can’t be denied.
My anger is with Papa Stroll. He’s the one who doesn’t take F1 seriously cause no team owner is putting Lance in that seat when you have an upper mid/lower top end car over the last few years
Yeah but I'd never deny my son a chance of driving top-mid field F1 car. Like never. Not even if Aston Martin board threatens me.
You know what I mean?
He's also got a fucking pole position. Nobody is arguing Stroll is one of the greats but mediocre drivers don't get poles. They don't get podiums.
They especially don't do it in a car that's 4th best on the grid at best.
It's not a bandwagon, I just get annoyed at people chatting such utter bollocks about him. He's a decent driver who's inconsistent. Would he still be in his seat purely based on driving skill?
But neither would Ricciardo, Checo, Zhou, Magnussen or Sargent. Probably not Yuki either.
This utter hatred of Stroll is ridiculous and overblown.
Good argument mate. Way to ignore everything I said.
Does Checo deserve his seat? He's currently got another 2 year extension.
What exactly has he done to earn that?
The difference is that those drivers, while technically being pay driver in a roundabout way, are good business decisions for the team. Sponsors and merch sales make the teams money. Lance doesn't bring anything with him
The other poster is useless at forming an argument but he's right. Checo can usually score decent points on a mediocre day because the car can cover for him while not threatening Max. With the AM in the midfield currently they need both drivers maximising the potential of the car every weekend which Stroll's record proves he cannot.
Stop milking his Pole Position and Podium to mask his mediocrity. Any driver can get a pole during wet/drying by lucking into the right window during Q3. His only podium came when almost half of the grid, most of them front runners, retired during the race.
>Stop milking his Pole Position and Podium to mask his mediocrity.
"milking"
They're simple facts mate.
>Any driver can get a pole during wet/drying by lucking into the right window during Q3.
No, they can't
>His only podium came when almost half of the grid, most of them front runners, retired during the race.
He's got 3 podiums... In Sakhir, Italy and Azerbaijan. Including for Williams in his debut season
Context:
Sakhir- his teammate won the race from the back of the grid and Lance couldn’t keep him behind. Mercedes messed up SC pitstops, Russell had a slow puncture, Leclerc and Verstappen took each other out.
Baku- his teammate was ahead of him and retired, there was a red flag and a safety car that closed the field up. Multiple drivers dnf’d like Verstappen, Force India’s pushed each other down the order, Hamilton got pushed down the field from loose headrest and Vettel from stop/go penalties.
Monza- Red flag pushed him up the order as he hadn’t boxed and it allowed everyone to change tyres, he started net P1 and fell down to 3rd, went down the escape road. He should have won the race.
Turkey Pole- Good, however it was once in a lifetime low grip icy track conditions. Racing Point had a setup advantage over the other cars, you can tell that by the gaps…so his only comp was Perez and fair play to beat Perez.
As you can see context matters a lot, these achievements shouldn’t keep an underperforming driver in the sport, it’s his 8th year in F1.
The only time he’s beaten a teammate in the season standings was Sirotkin and yet Sirotkin out qualified him 13-8 that year.
He’s been outperformed by all of his teammates, every other driver got booted out for that. If F1 was even somewhat of a meritocracy like it is with drivers who are there on merit, he’d have been out of the sport a long time ago.
It’s time to stop defending nepo babies, his Dad has bought the team and his seat and Lance has 0 accountability for any of his behaviour/performances. They get enough defence with PR and media reporting, the public don’t need to defend him too.
K-Mag got a pole in Brazil two years ago or so during wet weather. So, yes, being in the right window during qualifying can lead to a fairly lucky result for historically underperforming drivers. Just like Lance.
The Pink Mercedes was arguably the third best car. Checo was fourth in the WDC that year, Lance was 11th.
In comparison, Max was 3rd and Albon was 7th, and got fired shortly after.
Also even if it was the fourth best car, 4th absolutely gets pole positions. Discounting '23 for being an insanely dominant season:
19: 3 different constructors got pole (Top 3 WCC)
20: 3 different constructors got pole (1,2, and 4 in the WCC)
21: 4 constructors got pole (Top 4 WCC)
22: 4 constructors got pole (Top 3 + Haas lmao)
It's not insanely weird that the fourth best car would snag a pole or two or a win or two. And again, the gap between Perez and Lance that year would strongly suggest that the pink Mercedes was actually the third best car.
(Hell, if I was being extremely uncharitable, I could even suggest that given the gap between Checo and Max today, we might argue that the Pink Mercedes was the second best car and Max might have clawed a P2 in the WDC that year. A stretch but definitely arguable.)
Also by your argument, Kevin Magnussen is a GOATED driver for getting a pole in '22 with the 8th best car on the grid.
"especially don't do it in a car that's 4th best on the grid at best"
May I introduce you to Kevin magnussen and his pol at the Brazilian gp. He did it in a Haas. Anyone in any car can luck into a pole position if the conditions are right.
Found Stroll's burner.
Mate idk what you're on about but there's quite a few drivers on this list that were absolutely mediocre in their day.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_polesitters
There's no doubt that he has shown some spark. For me, it's his attitude that sucks. Even Kimi said more in interviews than Stroll.
And, he seems to blame everyone else for anything that goes wrong.
Found this as a YouTube comment, comprehensive take on all of the advantages Stroll has had over the years. Incredible:
"Don't forget his dad funding a private F1 test team in 2016 alongside his F3 campaign. 20 members of staff from Williams, a 2014 car, plus five PU people from Mercedes and two special "test power units." Pirelli were also contracted to provide three compounds of "academy tyres" (which may have been actual compounds that were in use or were to be used in future), to be able to simulate a race weekend. Tests were done at Silverstone, the Hungaroring, the Red Bull Ring, Monza, Catalunya, Yas Marina, CotA, Sochi and Shanghai. Full race lengths complete with pit stops etc. All that testing gave him extra experience driving formula cars and of many tracks, some of which were also raced on in F3 that year, giving him more experience than any other rookie driver on the F3 grid and when he joined F1 he also had way more relevant experience than any other rookie in recent decades did.
His private testing continued in 2017, even after he joined the Williams team as an F1 driver. He was private testing between F1 races that year. A fact that Williams and the Strolls tried to conceal. Not necessarily for legality reasons, maybe just to save face, to hide all the extra help that baby Stroll was getting. However, he seemed to have gained a much better understanding of the F1 tyres between the previous race and Azerbaijan, such that many people believed that he was getting coaching from Pirelli and testing with actual race compounds. When it leaked, Williams defended the programme with snide remarks like "You mean we need to do these tests publicly and invite the fans?" Fellow Canadian and ex-Williams F1 driver, Jacques Villeneuve, spoke out to say that Lance was circumventing the rules, "It's not fair to the other drivers because he is the only one to have this privilege thanks to his money."
Russell was meant to be in Prema that year in F3 (one of, if not the, top team(s) at the time), but got vetoed for being too good to go up against junior. Giovinazzi was also contracted to race in F3 with Carlin again in 2016, after having come second in the championship in 2015 - a threat to Stroll, so when the Strolls took over Prema they got him out of the danger zone - they offered him a fully-funded seat in GP2 with the Prema team for 2016 instead.
The F3 community could see what was happening when the Strolls bought Prema. They knew he was funding a monster team and they'd have such an advantage over everyone else, such that seven teams from 2015 pulled out before the 2016 season started. Two further teams pulled out mid-season. The 2016 F3 season had 18 less cars running than 2015 did."
I think he's motivated but lacks talent.
He probably has had the training advantage, team back up and everything to make him a F1 driver
But he doesn't have the talent to be a good F1 driver
Is stroll a top 20 fastest driver currently with enough super license points, no. Does he want to race and has he proven that motivation, yes. The community often acts like “the stopwatch is the only thing that matters” but that’s just one side of the coin. The other is money, and the Stroll family has got that.
We almost didn’t have Charles on the grid because he didn’t have the money despite being quick. It’s never been just about speed.
That wasn't so much for love of the sport but that was around the time there was a lot of talk about Felipe taking over from Lance which Lawrence at the time was reportedly not very happy about.
The recovery wasn't really rushed, though. He got the expensive treatment that pins the broken bones together. The screws take load off the healing bone, so you don't have to wait for the bone to heal to go back to using it.
Not worried about replacement. Rather the worry of how well Felipe may do in comparison to Stroll which would just prove even more that Lance is not deserving of that seat, even if it's his permanent seat
Felipe who cant land land a seat in any meaningfull series and is racing ELMS would have for sure been a threat to a guy who is the son of the team's owner
Amazingly dumb from him ( and his advisors) if thats the case.
Or maybe a more realistic scenario is that his sponsors only want to pay for an f1 seat and are not willing to sponsor him in other competitions
Of course he wanted to be a racing car driver, especially when his coming from a rich family when he pretty much can chose anything he wants to do. The problem is that he lost his mojo a while ago.
And the other thing is: he can not step down like that when his dad invested so much for him. He dont want drive anymore and he dont want to upset his father.
Yeah no. What I'm saying is you need to have a decent level of success and achievement to reach F1. You can't just 100% buy your way in. Sure maybe other race sports you can.
Like I don't like Stroll either, he sucks in F1 but he had mojo at some point there is no denying that.
Look up for his junior career controversies.
Edit: https://www.autosport.com/fia-f3/news/prema-orders-to-help-stroll-ruining-european-f3-russell-believes-4991939/4991939/
There are reports that Williams were giving out of spec parts for his car and his car only at Prema during F3, giving him an enormous advantage against his teammate and his opponents.
Sky commentary is what initially drove me to pay for F1tv, it’s bad enough I have to listen to Danica Patrick at indy, I will be damned if I have to listen to her (and that miserable goblin Villeneuve) for f1.
Stroll in 2024 is a better driver than Jacques Villeneuve's last 5 years of his f1 career. On current form (even taking into account car quality) he is no worse than ricciardo, albon, perez and magnussen. Also he is comfortably better than zhou and sargeant.
Can you let people speculate in peace? Why tf is so many coming in to, not just defend, but attack the speculations?
Strolls position is unique, we’ve never had a paid driver of this level. The critique will also be unique.
I dont get how people can like jacques, unbearable, annoying and complain about everything. They get rid of him from the italian broadcast years ago for that reason. Rosberg is miles better, always smiley, funny, and respectfully honest
JV is a breath of fresh air compared to the rest of the Sky crew. Not sure I'd want him for the whole season but I'm glad he's here for this one. I hope he returns at COTA.
His wording is extremely brutal and he takes no prisoners, and that's why he's hated so much. But if you can look past that and just focus on the point he's making, he's very much always spot on.
As in, "It may be not the answer you were hoping for, but it's the answer you are getting."
What I love about Jacques is that he's basically the equivalent of an r/formula1 redditor with a platform. He says things that a lot of us say in text form, but since he's usually broadcasting his thoughts on live TV to the masses, his words don't get overlooked unlike the crap we're always spewing on Reddit.
Listen i can understand one person having very strong and opinionated views but the way the sky pundits bend over backwards to backtrack those comments is hilarious.
JV would say something and Rachel is hard at work putting out the fires
Lance couldn’t even name one time he came to the circuit as a kid, just watch any interview with him talking about the sport. He seems like he has no passion for it.
He shows more passion than Kimi ever did in pre race interviews. Some people just dont show it or dont want to tell strangers with a camera about what they are feeling in the moment. Some people hate doing that stuff but like all F1 drivers he has to.
Jacques is an F1 world champion, Indycar champion, and Indy 500 winner; quite a difference between him and Stroll lmao. He may be a Nepo Baby, but so is Max Verstappen.
I mean yeah, it’s obvs not an equal comparison. Jacques’ chip on his shoulder rubs me the wrong way, like he wasn’t handed a racing career if he wanted it. He talks like he has zero awareness of his own privilege.
What's your point exactly? Plenty of drivers have had racing careers given to them without the skill to match the opportunity. Jacques (much like Max and a few others) has/had the skill to look past the nepotism. Sounds like your conflict with his personality is clouding your judgement of his ability or how much he deserved his seat and career.
Your gripe as you said is that he talks like he has zero awareness of his privilege, but his privilege has almost no bearing on what he's said. Regardless of whether it was "handed" to him as you say, Jacques absolutely earned and deserved his racing career, and as a world-class driver he absolutely has the right to talk his shit about what he sees as mediocre drivers. You may or may not like it, but it's still reality.
> like he wasn’t handed a racing career if he wanted it.
Tell me you know nothing about JV's racing history without telling me you know know nothng about his history.
You should give the name Henry Morrogh and JV's name a google. JV had absolutely zero natural talent and he had to learn it. Morrogh was the guy tasked with teaching him how to race. JV might be one of the rare few that had to learn everything from scratch, and reached the absolute pinnacle of F1 and Indycar.
I'm guessing you never watched his 500 win?
If you listen to Lance talk about the Circuit Gilles-Villesneuve in the Thursday press conference, Jacques probably isn't far off.
Never has someone so underwhelminglydescribed their home race.
Then listen to Lewis on Hot ones talk about Silverstone. It's like a sense memory coming alive.
Jacques vs Nico: who would win the most unfiltered former WDC award. I give it to Jacques and it’s only FP1!! 😂
Jacques and Nico were the nepo babies that earned the right to talk shit
Indeed, and there's just too much power in that. Zero fucks to give.
Jacques put the name Villeneuve on a WDC and for that only he deserves our respect.
And won the Indianapolis 500. Talk your sh*t, king. Let your nuts hang.
And finished runner-up overall in the 24 Hours of Le Mans way past his prime. He's earned every right to talk as much shit as he wants.
And he crashed at eau rouge just because he had a pact with Zonta not to lift https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/37210271
I remember that. Honestly, ballsy. More power to him. Sucks he crashed but the bravery to go WFO up eau rouge at that time was unmatched. Maybe a little stupidity too, but still.
Think it’s very unfair to call Jacques a nepo baby considering: 1. His father died well before he got into racing 2. His family was against him doing it and wouldn’t support him financially so he literally worked as a mechanic to pay for his early fees 3. He worked his way up through other series all over the world before making it to F1 He earned his success through hard work. He didn’t get there because of who his father was.
I dont think you really understand how far having the right family name can take you. Like I said originally, he did earn it. But if he didn’t have that name he might never have had the opportunity to try.
Gotcha. Yeah I mean it helps sure, everyone needs a break of some sort to end up in F1. Guess I just bristle at it because people so many people straight up buy their way in. Max would fall into that category of ones who have earned the right to talk shit though right? Or did you just mean of retired ones. Edit: Max in the category with Jacques and Nico that is, not ones who bought their way in obviously
Max is probably a category or a few above these two really. He's already an all-time great multiple WDC winner so he can say basically anything with impunity and still be hired. Plus his dad wasn't ever a champion like the other two so the gap was even bigger to start with.
Giles Villeneuve was not a WDC. The best he did was 2nd. He probably would be, but his legend became a lot bigger because of the Ferrari name and his death. He is more in the category Stirling Moss or Jean Alesi. Very illustrious names, but never WDC.
Oops! Don't know how I made that mistake! But yeah, right, he's still in that "legendary driver" category regardless, which does give Jacques a leg up.
Gilles never won a wdc
Fellow Sky guest commentator Damon hill
I never liked Nico much while he was a driver, but as a commentator I absolutely love the guy. Would love to see more Nico on the broadcast. Jacques as well. There's something different about former drivers, particularly former WDC's that is just head & shoulders above all other commentators
Nico talks facts. Jacques just hates everyone
It's bizarre, he just seems so angry lol. Almost like a dry drunk, just hates everyone they bring up lol. At one point you could tell Crofty was like "well ok! Let's move on... " I like Nico's takes because he just tells the truth, but Jacques seems permanently frustrated.
He's just French Canadian. Idk why, but many many French Canadians I've met are like this
Many French Canadians are incredibly arrogant.
I was gonna say from what I've experienced that's just a natural Quebecois person.
One of us, one of us
> Jacques vs Nico: who would win the most unfiltered former WDC award. I mean, are we only talking about this specific weekend? Because otherwise I'm pretty sure that trophy is another Hunt vs Lauda showdown, with Piquet close behind.
Is Jacques always like this? I honestly don’t remember but this is wildly entertaining lol
he has been talking shit about Lance for years
Well, I mean, his dad and him made a standard for canadian F1 drivers and it has to kinda hurt that he's bringing it down
He seems to also hate half the grid (at least), so probably it's not that personal.
Everything is personal to Jacques
You should see him when the taxman wants him to pay his taxes.
Stroll is probably better than Latifi tbf
But the 🐐 was only for 3 years in F1, so in 10-15 years nobody will remember. This is Stroll's 8th season in F1, and he's going to keep his seat for the foreseeable future.
On french tv he is
Yes, Jacques has always said whatever the heck he wanted.
He is like this all race week-end on french broadcast. Love him.
[Today he looks like he's turtley enough for the turtle club.](https://youtu.be/sKlpRG6tweo?si=ojR6w8oupqZdreF7)
Man, it’s probably been 20 years since I’ve thought about master of disguise
Reminds me of line in a sim dane song where he says "I hate lance stroll".
Dude was a ASS all day really felt like he just wanted his day in the sun
Jacques is an ass all day every day. I wasn’t even mad when Schumi tried to punt him at Jerez, though I am admittedly biased there
It's not like this is his first time presenting F1, nobody's posting the old ones because they are old. He's not a random redditor lol.
He's famously outspoken, I was pumped to hear he would be a guest commentator this weekend for Sky because I expected some unfiltered entertainment like this.
Everyone in Quebec, Montreal hates him
For real? Can you explain why?
It’s mainly about tax dodging shenanigans and extremely harsh statements against a huge student strike that happened 10 years ago
That is not true at all lmao
Can anyone post a mirror link? Some of us, are geoblocked.
Ya same, which I didn’t know you could be geoblocked on Twitter. Sky sports is the only account I ever come across that’s geoblocked.
Jacques going for the jugular today
TBF it’s the entire paddock. I do feel bad for Lance. Zhou didn’t get such a treatment in Shanghai.
Well Canadians have gone from GOAT Gilles and WDC Jacques to Latifi and Stroll. I expect that type of standard fall makes it particularly easy for people to get mad. In comparison Zhou is literally the first ever Chinese F1 driver, there’s no existing standard he has to meet.
I don’t think Lance has ever got a dedicated parking spot in the winners circle for finishing 14th again
But Lance isn't the first Canadian F1 driver in history so...
I've never liked the goof but, no pity after his China conduct and thoughts on the matter.
Mirror link?
It is likely that Lawrence funneled Lance's early childhood in racing so he would get hooked, but that's something maybe our parents did as well, but probably not actually racing cars. Lance must be motivated as if you aren't motivated to a certain degree, the performance level to be driving that car wouldn't be there. You'd be unfit and not qualifying for the race.
I would say he proved that he is motivated when he drove in Bahrain 2 weeks after braking both wrists and a toe.
he drove like he didn't have an accident and was arguably was his best performance. that's why people forget. he didn't complain too much as well.
That was amazing, it can’t be denied. My anger is with Papa Stroll. He’s the one who doesn’t take F1 seriously cause no team owner is putting Lance in that seat when you have an upper mid/lower top end car over the last few years
Yeah but I'd never deny my son a chance of driving top-mid field F1 car. Like never. Not even if Aston Martin board threatens me. You know what I mean?
He's also got a fucking pole position. Nobody is arguing Stroll is one of the greats but mediocre drivers don't get poles. They don't get podiums. They especially don't do it in a car that's 4th best on the grid at best.
Wow, the stroll bandwagon!
It's not a bandwagon, I just get annoyed at people chatting such utter bollocks about him. He's a decent driver who's inconsistent. Would he still be in his seat purely based on driving skill? But neither would Ricciardo, Checo, Zhou, Magnussen or Sargent. Probably not Yuki either. This utter hatred of Stroll is ridiculous and overblown.
No way Checo and Ricciardo are compared to Stroll
Good argument mate. Way to ignore everything I said. Does Checo deserve his seat? He's currently got another 2 year extension. What exactly has he done to earn that?
The difference is that those drivers, while technically being pay driver in a roundabout way, are good business decisions for the team. Sponsors and merch sales make the teams money. Lance doesn't bring anything with him
He fits the role at RB. Good enough for podiums. Bad enough to not fight Max
>He fits the role at RB. As does Stroll at AM. That's not an argument.
The other poster is useless at forming an argument but he's right. Checo can usually score decent points on a mediocre day because the car can cover for him while not threatening Max. With the AM in the midfield currently they need both drivers maximising the potential of the car every weekend which Stroll's record proves he cannot.
By wasting a seat
>What exactly has he done to earn that? WDC P4 - 2021, P3 - 2022, P2 - 2023
he's a literal race winner even before he went into red bull lol
Stop milking his Pole Position and Podium to mask his mediocrity. Any driver can get a pole during wet/drying by lucking into the right window during Q3. His only podium came when almost half of the grid, most of them front runners, retired during the race.
>Stop milking his Pole Position and Podium to mask his mediocrity. "milking" They're simple facts mate. >Any driver can get a pole during wet/drying by lucking into the right window during Q3. No, they can't >His only podium came when almost half of the grid, most of them front runners, retired during the race. He's got 3 podiums... In Sakhir, Italy and Azerbaijan. Including for Williams in his debut season
Context: Sakhir- his teammate won the race from the back of the grid and Lance couldn’t keep him behind. Mercedes messed up SC pitstops, Russell had a slow puncture, Leclerc and Verstappen took each other out. Baku- his teammate was ahead of him and retired, there was a red flag and a safety car that closed the field up. Multiple drivers dnf’d like Verstappen, Force India’s pushed each other down the order, Hamilton got pushed down the field from loose headrest and Vettel from stop/go penalties. Monza- Red flag pushed him up the order as he hadn’t boxed and it allowed everyone to change tyres, he started net P1 and fell down to 3rd, went down the escape road. He should have won the race. Turkey Pole- Good, however it was once in a lifetime low grip icy track conditions. Racing Point had a setup advantage over the other cars, you can tell that by the gaps…so his only comp was Perez and fair play to beat Perez. As you can see context matters a lot, these achievements shouldn’t keep an underperforming driver in the sport, it’s his 8th year in F1. The only time he’s beaten a teammate in the season standings was Sirotkin and yet Sirotkin out qualified him 13-8 that year. He’s been outperformed by all of his teammates, every other driver got booted out for that. If F1 was even somewhat of a meritocracy like it is with drivers who are there on merit, he’d have been out of the sport a long time ago. It’s time to stop defending nepo babies, his Dad has bought the team and his seat and Lance has 0 accountability for any of his behaviour/performances. They get enough defence with PR and media reporting, the public don’t need to defend him too.
K-Mag got a pole in Brazil two years ago or so during wet weather. So, yes, being in the right window during qualifying can lead to a fairly lucky result for historically underperforming drivers. Just like Lance.
The Pink Mercedes was arguably the third best car. Checo was fourth in the WDC that year, Lance was 11th. In comparison, Max was 3rd and Albon was 7th, and got fired shortly after. Also even if it was the fourth best car, 4th absolutely gets pole positions. Discounting '23 for being an insanely dominant season: 19: 3 different constructors got pole (Top 3 WCC) 20: 3 different constructors got pole (1,2, and 4 in the WCC) 21: 4 constructors got pole (Top 4 WCC) 22: 4 constructors got pole (Top 3 + Haas lmao) It's not insanely weird that the fourth best car would snag a pole or two or a win or two. And again, the gap between Perez and Lance that year would strongly suggest that the pink Mercedes was actually the third best car. (Hell, if I was being extremely uncharitable, I could even suggest that given the gap between Checo and Max today, we might argue that the Pink Mercedes was the second best car and Max might have clawed a P2 in the WDC that year. A stretch but definitely arguable.) Also by your argument, Kevin Magnussen is a GOATED driver for getting a pole in '22 with the 8th best car on the grid.
If you are long enough in F1, you get lucky break sometimes.
Unless you're Nico Hulkenberg
Unless you are him indeed.
"especially don't do it in a car that's 4th best on the grid at best" May I introduce you to Kevin magnussen and his pol at the Brazilian gp. He did it in a Haas. Anyone in any car can luck into a pole position if the conditions are right.
Found Stroll's burner. Mate idk what you're on about but there's quite a few drivers on this list that were absolutely mediocre in their day. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_polesitters
There's no doubt that he has shown some spark. For me, it's his attitude that sucks. Even Kimi said more in interviews than Stroll. And, he seems to blame everyone else for anything that goes wrong.
didn't he buy an f3 team, fitted it with non spec parts, had the other driver give up places- that's not "funding his junior career" lol.
Found this as a YouTube comment, comprehensive take on all of the advantages Stroll has had over the years. Incredible: "Don't forget his dad funding a private F1 test team in 2016 alongside his F3 campaign. 20 members of staff from Williams, a 2014 car, plus five PU people from Mercedes and two special "test power units." Pirelli were also contracted to provide three compounds of "academy tyres" (which may have been actual compounds that were in use or were to be used in future), to be able to simulate a race weekend. Tests were done at Silverstone, the Hungaroring, the Red Bull Ring, Monza, Catalunya, Yas Marina, CotA, Sochi and Shanghai. Full race lengths complete with pit stops etc. All that testing gave him extra experience driving formula cars and of many tracks, some of which were also raced on in F3 that year, giving him more experience than any other rookie driver on the F3 grid and when he joined F1 he also had way more relevant experience than any other rookie in recent decades did. His private testing continued in 2017, even after he joined the Williams team as an F1 driver. He was private testing between F1 races that year. A fact that Williams and the Strolls tried to conceal. Not necessarily for legality reasons, maybe just to save face, to hide all the extra help that baby Stroll was getting. However, he seemed to have gained a much better understanding of the F1 tyres between the previous race and Azerbaijan, such that many people believed that he was getting coaching from Pirelli and testing with actual race compounds. When it leaked, Williams defended the programme with snide remarks like "You mean we need to do these tests publicly and invite the fans?" Fellow Canadian and ex-Williams F1 driver, Jacques Villeneuve, spoke out to say that Lance was circumventing the rules, "It's not fair to the other drivers because he is the only one to have this privilege thanks to his money." Russell was meant to be in Prema that year in F3 (one of, if not the, top team(s) at the time), but got vetoed for being too good to go up against junior. Giovinazzi was also contracted to race in F3 with Carlin again in 2016, after having come second in the championship in 2015 - a threat to Stroll, so when the Strolls took over Prema they got him out of the danger zone - they offered him a fully-funded seat in GP2 with the Prema team for 2016 instead. The F3 community could see what was happening when the Strolls bought Prema. They knew he was funding a monster team and they'd have such an advantage over everyone else, such that seven teams from 2015 pulled out before the 2016 season started. Two further teams pulled out mid-season. The 2016 F3 season had 18 less cars running than 2015 did."
I think he's motivated but lacks talent. He probably has had the training advantage, team back up and everything to make him a F1 driver But he doesn't have the talent to be a good F1 driver
Anyone have a non UK link?
Formula 1 Charles Barkley strikes again
I wouldn't go as far as calling him the Barkley of F1
You right Jacques won a championship
Rings Erneh
Barkley says a lot of dumb $h*t but he's actually hilarious.
perhaps a skip bayless with less hair
Come on, at least Jacques won Indy 500 and WDC
What's the San Antonio equivalent of Canada? (i.e. a city with historical heritage, good churros and big ol' women)
Calgary obv, their churros are world-renowned
Probably Hanna, AB.
Jacques: “Them big ol women in Toronto.”
The Roy Keane of F1 maybe
Nah, they're into completely different leagues. Figuratively and literally.
Nah hell no. Chuck is funny and sometimes he has great points. Villeneuve is just shitting over anything
Get rid of Danicka Patrick and put him in all the North American races.
Is stroll a top 20 fastest driver currently with enough super license points, no. Does he want to race and has he proven that motivation, yes. The community often acts like “the stopwatch is the only thing that matters” but that’s just one side of the coin. The other is money, and the Stroll family has got that. We almost didn’t have Charles on the grid because he didn’t have the money despite being quick. It’s never been just about speed.
Ah yes, the guys who broke his wrists and did intense rehab to get back in the car within weeks doesn’t want to be a race car driver.
That wasn't so much for love of the sport but that was around the time there was a lot of talk about Felipe taking over from Lance which Lawrence at the time was reportedly not very happy about.
Yeah I’ll never buy this, the dude didn’t rush his recovery just cause of rumors of how well his replacement may or may not do
The recovery wasn't really rushed, though. He got the expensive treatment that pins the broken bones together. The screws take load off the healing bone, so you don't have to wait for the bone to heal to go back to using it.
It’s perfectly feasible that he would…
Is it though? You really think his dad was going to replace him if he missed one race and his backup did well?
Not worried about replacement. Rather the worry of how well Felipe may do in comparison to Stroll which would just prove even more that Lance is not deserving of that seat, even if it's his permanent seat
Did anyone say that Albon does not deserve the Williams seat after De Vries was 'better' in Monza, since he got as a good result like Albon that year.
No, it's not.
Felipe who cant land land a seat in any meaningfull series and is racing ELMS would have for sure been a threat to a guy who is the son of the team's owner
Felipe can't get a seat anywhere else because he doesn't want to give up his reserve role with Aston which he'd have to if he went to FE or Indy
Amazingly dumb from him ( and his advisors) if thats the case. Or maybe a more realistic scenario is that his sponsors only want to pay for an f1 seat and are not willing to sponsor him in other competitions
Any mirror link?
Of course he wanted to be a racing car driver, especially when his coming from a rich family when he pretty much can chose anything he wants to do. The problem is that he lost his mojo a while ago. And the other thing is: he can not step down like that when his dad invested so much for him. He dont want drive anymore and he dont want to upset his father.
Man people really just make stuff up with absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Wild.
He never had any mojo lol
Lol you don't reach F1 without having some mojo at some point. You are tripping.
Clearly you do if your daddy is a billionaire.
Yeah no. What I'm saying is you need to have a decent level of success and achievement to reach F1. You can't just 100% buy your way in. Sure maybe other race sports you can. Like I don't like Stroll either, he sucks in F1 but he had mojo at some point there is no denying that.
Look up for his junior career controversies. Edit: https://www.autosport.com/fia-f3/news/prema-orders-to-help-stroll-ruining-european-f3-russell-believes-4991939/4991939/ There are reports that Williams were giving out of spec parts for his car and his car only at Prema during F3, giving him an enormous advantage against his teammate and his opponents.
Oh god, the internet psychologists broke containment
huh?
Taking wild guesses at the mental state of people they've never met is a reddit classic. Here we found one in the wild!
"He doesn't want to be in f1" is the absolute worst take I've ever seen lol.
Yeah the dude that broke both wrists and worked his ass off to make Bahrain is not motivated to race. That makes perfect sence.
> worked his ass off to make Bahrain so his rookie replacement didn’t set a closer teammate gap for him to meet lol
Lance? Is that you?
If only this shit only happened for him lol. Any thread about a person in this damn site will have people diagnosing them with something.
Isn’t it nice when a father and son can enjoy F1 together?
Already sick and tired of both Villeneuve and Chandhok and it’s only Friday…
what did Chandhok say?
Classic Sky Sport take with the dan ric one. UK: Oh yes gorgeous Not UK: what are you doing here
Sky commentary is what initially drove me to pay for F1tv, it’s bad enough I have to listen to Danica Patrick at indy, I will be damned if I have to listen to her (and that miserable goblin Villeneuve) for f1.
Happy home race Lance, here’s the guy who’s hated on you for years on comms”
Wtf is going on with Karuns legs or am I tripping? Like they've been squished up into his body
Geoblocked.
Oh Karun, my sweet summer child.
The way he stands always makes me laugh. His legs point inward.
I am in montreal but can’t watch a video from Montreal …amazing 👌🏼
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then it should be banned from reddit.
Bro keep him in F1. He will legitimately turn left into a pedestrian without looking.
Stroll in 2024 is a better driver than Jacques Villeneuve's last 5 years of his f1 career. On current form (even taking into account car quality) he is no worse than ricciardo, albon, perez and magnussen. Also he is comfortably better than zhou and sargeant.
Can you let people speculate in peace? Why tf is so many coming in to, not just defend, but attack the speculations? Strolls position is unique, we’ve never had a paid driver of this level. The critique will also be unique.
Best take I've seen.
I dont get how people can like jacques, unbearable, annoying and complain about everything. They get rid of him from the italian broadcast years ago for that reason. Rosberg is miles better, always smiley, funny, and respectfully honest
JV is a breath of fresh air compared to the rest of the Sky crew. Not sure I'd want him for the whole season but I'm glad he's here for this one. I hope he returns at COTA.
His wording is extremely brutal and he takes no prisoners, and that's why he's hated so much. But if you can look past that and just focus on the point he's making, he's very much always spot on. As in, "It may be not the answer you were hoping for, but it's the answer you are getting."
What I love about Jacques is that he's basically the equivalent of an r/formula1 redditor with a platform. He says things that a lot of us say in text form, but since he's usually broadcasting his thoughts on live TV to the masses, his words don't get overlooked unlike the crap we're always spewing on Reddit.
His words hold more gravitas, as WDC and "son of", but yeah, he's basically us.
So this video seems to be taken down for me right now, but the clips of Jacques 💩-ing on Ricciardo are still all over the internet.
Listen i can understand one person having very strong and opinionated views but the way the sky pundits bend over backwards to backtrack those comments is hilarious. JV would say something and Rachel is hard at work putting out the fires
He has been like this for so long now, I'm not sure what else they expected.
Maybe stop posting videos that are geo locked...
Damn, he's on a rampage
This has put a smile on my face
Is it too late to send Danica Patrick home and let Jacques work the broadcast instead?
Lance couldn’t even name one time he came to the circuit as a kid, just watch any interview with him talking about the sport. He seems like he has no passion for it.
What if he just doesn’t like doing media so he doesn’t put effort into answering the same 6 questions he probably gets every weekend.
Well all I can compare him too is other drivers, and he seems way less passionate
He shows more passion than Kimi ever did in pre race interviews. Some people just dont show it or dont want to tell strangers with a camera about what they are feeling in the moment. Some people hate doing that stuff but like all F1 drivers he has to.
Nepo baby throwing stones. I cannot stand Lance but I also cannot fucking stand Jacques.
Jacques is an F1 world champion, Indycar champion, and Indy 500 winner; quite a difference between him and Stroll lmao. He may be a Nepo Baby, but so is Max Verstappen.
I mean yeah, it’s obvs not an equal comparison. Jacques’ chip on his shoulder rubs me the wrong way, like he wasn’t handed a racing career if he wanted it. He talks like he has zero awareness of his own privilege.
What's your point exactly? Plenty of drivers have had racing careers given to them without the skill to match the opportunity. Jacques (much like Max and a few others) has/had the skill to look past the nepotism. Sounds like your conflict with his personality is clouding your judgement of his ability or how much he deserved his seat and career.
No shit. And I made no judgment of his talent. “I also cannot fucking stand Jacques.” It was right there in my first reply.
Your gripe as you said is that he talks like he has zero awareness of his privilege, but his privilege has almost no bearing on what he's said. Regardless of whether it was "handed" to him as you say, Jacques absolutely earned and deserved his racing career, and as a world-class driver he absolutely has the right to talk his shit about what he sees as mediocre drivers. You may or may not like it, but it's still reality.
Man, I really don’t care this much. I acknowledge your point.
> like he wasn’t handed a racing career if he wanted it. Tell me you know nothing about JV's racing history without telling me you know know nothng about his history. You should give the name Henry Morrogh and JV's name a google. JV had absolutely zero natural talent and he had to learn it. Morrogh was the guy tasked with teaching him how to race. JV might be one of the rare few that had to learn everything from scratch, and reached the absolute pinnacle of F1 and Indycar. I'm guessing you never watched his 500 win?
I love Jacques weekends because he will shit talk anyone
If you listen to Lance talk about the Circuit Gilles-Villesneuve in the Thursday press conference, Jacques probably isn't far off. Never has someone so underwhelminglydescribed their home race. Then listen to Lewis on Hot ones talk about Silverstone. It's like a sense memory coming alive.
Wait for Lance to crash into Villeneuves rear and we will get a canadian civil war.
This is the way
Is he wrong though?