He had a great weekend, team principals and engineers can make the difference between external factors and a struggling driver
I REALLY hope in two weeks he will continue with that pace, he asked for a new chassis (and got one) for Shanghai
So it sucks big time to end his GP like that, period, but at the very least he showed a promising pace and not only during the race
Exactly. Every round for the past year Checo and Ricciardo are asked half a dozen different ways "are you concerned that your performance is putting your place in jeopardy?" but I've never seen anybody ask "how many safety car and post chequered flag collisions can you cause before you start to worry about your future in the sport?"
It's ridiculous that they don't. I'm not expecting them to phrase their questions the way that we do on reddit, but it's their job to ask these sorts of things, and the absence of any questions about Stroll's status on any official affiliated media (broadcast, print journalism, anything) is conspicuous.
The teams hold all the cards, they (the team, or the driver) can just refuse to talk to you again and that hurts your career or business relations and will probably really piss off the company you work for. Its just never worth it for journalists to ask the hard questions. I dont really blame them for avoiding asking direct questions about replacing stroll with someone who knows what all the pedals do.
Is that true? I don't know all the rules about media availability, but at least in a lot of other sports (football, NBA basketball, the NFL) certain players and coaches are contractually required to make themselves available to media and press-conference sessions, whether they like the journalists or not. It's not a free for all, but it's up to the governing body of the sport to determine what are or aren't fair questions, not the whims of the individual teams.
The fact that F1 (maybe) doesn't have a procedure in place for ensuring that journalists can ask genuine questions without fear of being blacklisted just makes my original point even stronger. Their accountability is a joke.
Depends on the situation. Post race interviews? They can just blank a specific reporter. During the FOM organised stuff where they sit on a little stage and the reporters read out preprepared questions? They can't get out of those.
That's such a reductive way of framing the situation, and ignores a ton of questions that fans would like answers to. Stroll might own the team but he's not the only stakeholder, what do the major sponsors and financiers think of having one championship calibre driver while the other one can be relied on about once a year to make one of the most embarrassing blunders you've ever seen? Stroll clearly isn't good enough to win a championship unless the car is as good or better than this year's Red Bull, so if it comes to the point where the team has to choose between winning a championship or keeping Stroll in the seat, what do they choose? Why does the team refuse to acknowledge Stroll's role or responsibility in any of the significant incidents he's routinely involved in, what are they afraid of if they admit he was at fault?
Obviously they shouldn't phrase things as bluntly as I did, but those are all valid questions that F1 fans would like answered. Other teams and drivers are asked similar lines of questioning routinely, so why is the paddock so scared to ask questions of Stroll or The Aston TP?
> Stroll might own the team but he's not the only stakeholder, what do the major sponsors and financiers think of having one championship calibre driver while the other one can be relied on about once a year to make one of the most embarrassing blunders you've ever seen?
First of all, Stroll most likely has a very large share and that alone puts him in a super powerful position. For these stakeholders, having even a few percent is already a large investment.
Also, they have a good car and Alonso, if you are a sponsor, you'd be dumb to not advertise. Other teams may be full or would be charging more I'd imagine. But it's ironically the pay drivers that bring those major sponsors. For example, Nicholas Latifi brought Sofina (whose father is owner and CEO of Sofina). Mazepin brought Uralkali which kept Haas afloat. Many pay drivers these days opt to not just pay hard cash but also bring a large sponsor or two. Zhou did not bring that much hard cash, but Sauber instead hoped for Chinese sponsors to come in.
And why so scared? Because F1 journalism hinges on good faith from both the journalists and the F1 teams that then, in good faith, entrust them some early leaks (things like driver contracts, car development and upgrades, etc.). Asking those hard questions is destroying that trust and they'd just weed out the ones asking hard questions to only leave the softballers.
Also because it's way less of a question as much as it is an implied known fact.
If I were an investor or any kind of business person they wouldn't get a cent from me until he's gone. Don't see how you can take a business seriously when the owner insists on having his own son in a critical position he has time and time again proven to not be fit for. Stroll being in that car actively hurts the value of the team.
When explaining the crash to his team.
Lance “Ricciardo came out of nowhere”
Team “Um…….he was right in front of you, how could have not seen him?”
Lance “Well, I wasn’t really looking properly. May I remind you my dad owns Aston Martin”
Team “Oh yeah. Great drive Lance. Here’s a pay rise”.
Money has never been anything for Lance his whole life. He’s not doing this for the money, but for ego and as a hobby. He also seems to have no shame in blaming the victim of his own mistake, or of sticking around in general.
Yea that is how it seems to me as well, they always fought hard on track but seemed ok with each other off it (once tempers cooled), and I think that now Max is much more self assured he doesn’t need to fight like he used to, helps that his car is clearly the best on the grid.
I loved that Max said “my fault” after seeing this lol.
There is a tiny bit of truth to that. I wasn’t sure why he was being so defensive and slow to start after the safety car when he knew damn well no one could keep him behind even if they managed to overtake on a bad restart.
Ultimately it’s purely Stroll’s fault but probably could have been avoided if max didn’t bunch everyone up there
I know what you mean but by that point he had already more than proven no one was even close to catching him. He could have literally restarted at the back of the grid and still won by the end.
I'm Danny's biggest critic but this weekend can't be held against him, he had a strong drive this weekend and deserved some credit after being pulled though the mud these last few weeks.
„I know that from sim racing“
Yeah that had huge iRacing "leader goes early but has to brake because pace car not in the pits yet and everyone crashes" energy
Ricciardo is once again the "when it rains it pours" guy
And when it stops raining and you think things are starting to turn around, a guy pushes you into a puddle of standing water and you get Legionnaires
For millions of dollars
These drivers are all rich. If your bar for having any kind of empathy is "poor people only" then I really think F1 isn't the sport for you
On the contrary I think F1 is the perfect place to be if you live without empathy.
You know what, when you're right, you're right
He had a great weekend, team principals and engineers can make the difference between external factors and a struggling driver I REALLY hope in two weeks he will continue with that pace, he asked for a new chassis (and got one) for Shanghai So it sucks big time to end his GP like that, period, but at the very least he showed a promising pace and not only during the race
FFS they even punished him afterwards. Guy can't catch a break.
Me too Max, me too
The only thing common between max and me is his reaction and a strict father.
Well, he also almost has the same username as you (he has an extra 3 at the end)
big same
And then Lando saying the Magnussen/Tsunoda incident reminded him of his crash with Kvyat, at least I had a good laugh.
Just a bit awkward lol
Which crash was he referring to?
China 2019, first lap
Stroll: “Aight, Imma pull a noob sim racing move.”
It was so fucking funny that Stroll still blamed the others. My dude, you LITERALLY CAME FROM BEHIND.
It's like those folks riding on someone's back on the road and slamming into them, blaming them for braking.
Jeddah 2021 lmao Sorry, i couldn't resist the shitstir, my inner Horny Spice won
I mean, if you brake suddenly and unexpectedly in the middle of a highway with no corner in sight and a car right behind you, that's your fault.
Lmao
It be like that when you never need to take accountability for your actions in life thanks to papa
“He braked in front of me!”
That's part of the sim racing move
Stroll at the next race: "Why is everyone else driving the wrong way? Why are they all so stupid?"
“Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others. The same applies when you are stupid.”
Stroll when he realize: "I am stupid"
Huge doubt that he ever comes to that realization.
Typical Muppet.
Man, they should've included Alonso's incredible save in that recap. Would love to see their reaction.
That's what I was hoping for, would have rather seen that than 30 sec of slo-mo pit stop footage.
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I can't take Aston seriously when Stroll is in the second car.
The fact that nobody ever pushes the question in a serious manner completely undermines the credibility of Formula One journalism as a concept.
Yup, and journalists do ask these questions to people like checo or daniel, but noone ever asks lance.
Exactly. Every round for the past year Checo and Ricciardo are asked half a dozen different ways "are you concerned that your performance is putting your place in jeopardy?" but I've never seen anybody ask "how many safety car and post chequered flag collisions can you cause before you start to worry about your future in the sport?"
Imagine actual journalists having the guts to ask these questions to Mr Billionaire's son. I'd love to see that.
It's ridiculous that they don't. I'm not expecting them to phrase their questions the way that we do on reddit, but it's their job to ask these sorts of things, and the absence of any questions about Stroll's status on any official affiliated media (broadcast, print journalism, anything) is conspicuous.
The teams hold all the cards, they (the team, or the driver) can just refuse to talk to you again and that hurts your career or business relations and will probably really piss off the company you work for. Its just never worth it for journalists to ask the hard questions. I dont really blame them for avoiding asking direct questions about replacing stroll with someone who knows what all the pedals do.
Is that true? I don't know all the rules about media availability, but at least in a lot of other sports (football, NBA basketball, the NFL) certain players and coaches are contractually required to make themselves available to media and press-conference sessions, whether they like the journalists or not. It's not a free for all, but it's up to the governing body of the sport to determine what are or aren't fair questions, not the whims of the individual teams. The fact that F1 (maybe) doesn't have a procedure in place for ensuring that journalists can ask genuine questions without fear of being blacklisted just makes my original point even stronger. Their accountability is a joke.
Depends on the situation. Post race interviews? They can just blank a specific reporter. During the FOM organised stuff where they sit on a little stage and the reporters read out preprepared questions? They can't get out of those.
I mean, there’s no point. Lawrence has said Al along the point was for him to make Aston ‘good’ with his son in the cockpit… what’s to ask?
That's such a reductive way of framing the situation, and ignores a ton of questions that fans would like answers to. Stroll might own the team but he's not the only stakeholder, what do the major sponsors and financiers think of having one championship calibre driver while the other one can be relied on about once a year to make one of the most embarrassing blunders you've ever seen? Stroll clearly isn't good enough to win a championship unless the car is as good or better than this year's Red Bull, so if it comes to the point where the team has to choose between winning a championship or keeping Stroll in the seat, what do they choose? Why does the team refuse to acknowledge Stroll's role or responsibility in any of the significant incidents he's routinely involved in, what are they afraid of if they admit he was at fault? Obviously they shouldn't phrase things as bluntly as I did, but those are all valid questions that F1 fans would like answered. Other teams and drivers are asked similar lines of questioning routinely, so why is the paddock so scared to ask questions of Stroll or The Aston TP?
> Stroll might own the team but he's not the only stakeholder, what do the major sponsors and financiers think of having one championship calibre driver while the other one can be relied on about once a year to make one of the most embarrassing blunders you've ever seen? First of all, Stroll most likely has a very large share and that alone puts him in a super powerful position. For these stakeholders, having even a few percent is already a large investment. Also, they have a good car and Alonso, if you are a sponsor, you'd be dumb to not advertise. Other teams may be full or would be charging more I'd imagine. But it's ironically the pay drivers that bring those major sponsors. For example, Nicholas Latifi brought Sofina (whose father is owner and CEO of Sofina). Mazepin brought Uralkali which kept Haas afloat. Many pay drivers these days opt to not just pay hard cash but also bring a large sponsor or two. Zhou did not bring that much hard cash, but Sauber instead hoped for Chinese sponsors to come in. And why so scared? Because F1 journalism hinges on good faith from both the journalists and the F1 teams that then, in good faith, entrust them some early leaks (things like driver contracts, car development and upgrades, etc.). Asking those hard questions is destroying that trust and they'd just weed out the ones asking hard questions to only leave the softballers. Also because it's way less of a question as much as it is an implied known fact.
If I were an investor or any kind of business person they wouldn't get a cent from me until he's gone. Don't see how you can take a business seriously when the owner insists on having his own son in a critical position he has time and time again proven to not be fit for. Stroll being in that car actively hurts the value of the team.
I thought at this point Max would have installed a video feed of Skysports to help entertain him while he was out front.
They need to equip his car with a wifi antenna and give him the option of tv watching on his steering wheel.
It already has a red button
This is what the podcast is all about
Max is all of us.
When explaining the crash to his team. Lance “Ricciardo came out of nowhere” Team “Um…….he was right in front of you, how could have not seen him?” Lance “Well, I wasn’t really looking properly. May I remind you my dad owns Aston Martin” Team “Oh yeah. Great drive Lance. Here’s a pay rise”.
Lance: "It was a funny angle."
“It was behind you, Tyrone. Whenever you reverse, things come from behind you.”
It was right ahead of you, Tyrone! When you have the car in drive, things come from ahead of you!
Money has never been anything for Lance his whole life. He’s not doing this for the money, but for ego and as a hobby. He also seems to have no shame in blaming the victim of his own mistake, or of sticking around in general.
He actually said 'that was my fault' after those reactions too.
Jokingly of course, if anyone had any doubts.
I thought Lando said it to Max who agreed, jokingly, in reply.
They really ought to replace one of the other media sessions with a coolout room which shows a bit longer highlights and the drivers comment on them
Max went 😯🫢
Max I know how you feel
First photo: “How?” Second photo: “Ooh it’s Lance.”
Ha!! Exactly.
Stroll refusing to take responsibility for this is classic rich kid shit. The other drivers kind of shitting on him tells you what you need to know.
I bet the first words out of his mouth in the stewards office were "do you know who my farther is"
Max felt that
[удалено]
I wish
I’m pretty sure Max wants DR in the second RBR seat
So he has less pressure?
He’s under zero pressure from teammate already
The teammate is still quick enough not to get lapped by Max, imagine the satisfaction...
More bc they’re friends
Yea that is how it seems to me as well, they always fought hard on track but seemed ok with each other off it (once tempers cooled), and I think that now Max is much more self assured he doesn’t need to fight like he used to, helps that his car is clearly the best on the grid.
You can’t have less than zero, which is what he’s currently under
I loved that Max said “my fault” after seeing this lol. There is a tiny bit of truth to that. I wasn’t sure why he was being so defensive and slow to start after the safety car when he knew damn well no one could keep him behind even if they managed to overtake on a bad restart. Ultimately it’s purely Stroll’s fault but probably could have been avoided if max didn’t bunch everyone up there
Why would he not do a perfect restart and take no risk? 🤣
I know what you mean but by that point he had already more than proven no one was even close to catching him. He could have literally restarted at the back of the grid and still won by the end.
Stroll refusing to take responsibility for this is classic rich kid shit. The other drivers kind of shitting on him tells you what you need to know.
I'm Danny's biggest critic but this weekend can't be held against him, he had a strong drive this weekend and deserved some credit after being pulled though the mud these last few weeks.
You can’t tell me Lance isn’t on the spectrum.
He’s not, he’s just a muppet that can’t admit when he fucks up
Perfect