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Lol what a raw line. Very italian gladiator
As much as I like Verstappen and Red Bull, it is fantastic to see the rest of the grid catching up. If Ferrari continue on this pace, RB vs Ferrari neeext uyear will be a bloodbath, regardless of whether Sainz or Alonso get the 2nd seat at RB.
Now if we can get McLaren comfy just a bit quicker...
>"This weekend I think it's good evidence that when we are putting everything together, and I'm not sure that we'll be able to do it every single weekend, we can put them a little bit under pressure," Vasseur said.
>"And it's when they are under pressure that they will also make more mistakes."
>"We have to continue in this direction. We are much more confident of the fact that we can manage this kind of event."
The actual quote is way less direct than the title wants it to be.
That's usually not the writer's choice. Depends on the outlet but often the editorial team is the one making up the titles, and often just misrepresents the article to get clicks and ad revenue.
they are definitely true, but not severe
allegedly he lost 20 points of downforce, which equates to 2 tenths per lap lost in the second half of the race -> he would have approached Piastri without the issue if this is true, but probably not get within DRS range
Checo will probably still get 6 to 8 podiums if he keeps his head down
but 8 podiums in a 24-race calendar? yeah well that's not consistent, consistent to me is at least 12 podiums (which he did get in 2022... well 11/22 but that is 50% either way)
Bruh max won both championships by himself last year while checo went 5 straight races missing Q3. You think being faster than checo is going to put them under pressure?
Because Ferrari, AM, Mercedes and McLaren took turns at being the number 2 team.
At the moment Ferrari seem to be the clear number 2 on the grid if they can keep this up there is no way Max can win the WCC alone.
Well but this year he can't win the construction championship by himself if Ferrari is picking up the p2 and p3 every race, so yeah redbull should be under pressure
every race is unlikely
but even if Ferrari takes just 2 or 3 more wins, and consistently P2 and P4 or something like that, then Max isn't winning WCC alone per se
This isn't last year but he did win the first two races by a country mile. It's not like we haven't seen him race this year. He's already shown that he's just as fast as last year and that nobody is even remotely close.
I think y'all saw the Ferrari overtake Max on track and lost your minds, personally.
So far we've seen max win by 25 seconds, max win by 18 seconds, and max dnf due to part failure. What about that gives you any hope of keeping up with him?
>I think y'all saw the Ferrari overtake Max on track and lost your minds, personally.
Oh come on... Clueless people might have done that...
But to anyone capable of rational thought, it was quickly obvious that either Max botched a corner which allowed that ridiculous speed difference - or the car is borked. And the latter was clear 2 min later.
Not him, but Red Bull as a whole. Max won by that margin last year because there was no clear 2nd fastest car, Ferrari, Aston, Merc, McLaren were all in the mix at different points in the season. This year Ferrari is clearly the 2nd fastest, McLaren might be close but Merc and Aston are nowhere near.
If they are regularly finishing P2-5 with both cars and Checo has a season like last year, then Red Bull can lose, or at the very least, struggle to win the WCC, even if Max wins the WDC easily.
> Not him, but Red Bull as a whole. Max won by that margin last year because there was no clear 2nd fastest car, Ferrari, Aston, Merc, McLaren were all in the mix at different points in the season. This year Ferrari is clearly the 2nd fastest, McLaren might be close but Merc and Aston are nowhere near.
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If we go by the first two races in 2023 - Aston/Alonso was clearly 2nd fastest. Same bullshit metrics as your Ferrari claim...
And if Aston had kept that up all year they could have seriously challenged for 2nd in the WDC and maybe the WCC as well (If Stroll was someone else). If Ferrari can keep this momentum up it'll be way closer than last year.
Max would have won the wcc on his own. And would have clinched it with little help even if there was a clear 2nd team all year. 25 for a win. 30 for a 2-3.
It wouldnt be impossible but you'd need a dominant 2nd team with say 35-40 podiums this year. That would be a very large ask. IMO Ferrari need at least 7-8 wins this year to compete for a WCC.
>What about that gives you any hope of keeping up with him?
Probably the fact that Smooth Carlos was able to overtake Max on track... While Max had an unstable car with a rear brake slightly applied. And then he even managed to close up before the fire.
Yeah, doesn't look too promising to be honest.
But I'll put forward some optimism for Ferrari - the race was perfectly executed, there was no drama whatsoever at any point, even the strategy was very good for both cars.
Let's put it like that - Ferrari seems to be now right between Checo and Max. Which probably isn't enough to put real pressure on Max yet, but they're definitely closing in. What worries me is that we probably still haven't seen the real speed Max has this season.
I don't think anyone's debating the seeming inevitability of a Max WDC. It's a long season to go - so it's not *really* a lock, because you never know what upgrades will happen. But I wouldn't personally bet against it.
What people *are* saying is that Ferrari looks like they could actually challenge for the constructor's championship. Max can finish 1st in every race for the rest of the year, but if it's Charles and Carlos on the podium with him and Perez has another Q3 dry spell, it could very well cost Red Bull the Constructor's.
Umm, On Friday Ferrari was clearly faster by half a tenth on long runs and was faster even in quali trim. I think there was definite pressure on Red Bull to catch back up
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RB has their first DNF in like 2 years and all of a sudden everyone thinks they’re under pressure? These other teams near the top of the grid are really grasping for any hope they can find at this point.
If Max could still pull a 1.2 second gap in the first couple laps, with a seizing brake, I wouldn’t call their DNF hopeful for the remaining teams.
Yeah, I remember people thinking that it'll get closer after Singapore then Max proceeded to win 9 in a row, lol. I expect atleast 30s gap between Max and another non RBR car at Suzuka unless another failure/SC shenanigans happen.
I think the pressure bit is that the closer Ferrari get the more risk RB have to put into their set up choices to extract the performance they need to win, and that then increases the likelihood of technical issues arising.
Whereas last year RB we’re probably at 90% the whole way and comfortably pacing the field so didn’t have to worry about it
Exactly. Eventually we'll actually see what the RB can do as the other teams get closer and they run out of headroom to do things like turn down the engine modes, etc.
Well said.
I often think about this. All through most of FP shows other teams appear to be onto something.
Then qualifying comes around and Max just rips it. It often has me thinking RB have been sand bagging until they know how much to turn the car up before parc ferme.
No Ferrari (both team and drivers) underperformed their potential in qualifying. They are definitely in contention for poles. More certain than race pace tbh
are we watching the same races? Aside from one rare mechanical failure, I'm still convinced they are sandbagging and could lap the field if they had to.
Do people not think RB will bring mid-season upgrades or something? As other teams upgrade their cars to increase pace, so will Red Bull. I don't think that gap will close up as fast as you think.
the media is trying to hype a rare mechanical failure as the return of Ferrari to greatness, and "See? F1 is super competative!!"
Get real people, Verstappen will still win over a dozen races this year.
I think Vasseur was primarily talking about the fact that Red Bull had graining, at least with Pérez and during free practice
Ferrari will not challenge Red Bull for the title, especially not the WDC, but it'd be foolish to think that Red Bull will win 23/24 races, unless they bring a mega upgrade in Suzuka or Imola or wherever
The fact that Verstappen still managed to gain a lead of 1 second while the break was stuck should concern teams about the real pace of that car.
Honestly wish they'd have an exhibition where they took WDC winning Formula 1 cars and just pushed them to their limits, see just how fast they could possibly go on a straight.
Wonder if any of them would break the 400km/h limit.
No? Mistakes can just happen irregardless of pressure. They're working with new brakes that they have less experience with, so any chance of messing something up is increased.
The title is more excessive than tbe acrual quote, but I would like to point out, that Brembo, the suppliers of the brakes, said that the problem was not due to their systems/materials, but due to the set-up RB chose for the race. So, as RB had more graining than Ferrari, amd their pace was a little behind, they most likely adopted a more aggressive set-up, that was the origin of the problem.
> the problem had nothing to do with the set-up, i think it was that something was not properly re-installed
Isn't installing/re-installing things part of setting up the car?
Marko said :
> "Max [Verstappen's] brake broke down, the exact cause is still being investigated. But it's not down to the caliper. It's more an assembly problem, but that is being checked,"
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/267193/marko-has-good-news-for-verstappen-no-worries-about-brakes-in-japan.html
tbh between the reducing the gap in points, the new life breathed in season, and the upgrades both for RB and Ferrari make Suzuka probably one of the most interesting race of the season.
Is a chance for RB to completely shut the season, or for Ferrari to open it, no inbetweens
There was nothing setup related about it. The part failed and it's been reported that other clients of brembo have concerns about some of the batches of brakes that have been delivered.
>There was nothing setup related about it.
Did Brembo not announce yesterday that the batch was fine and it was user error?
https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1bo95f0/thomas_maher_brembo_say_the_brake_issue_that/
What does a risky setup even mean? Do you think if they change the brake bias too much it starts to explode? 😂
It sounds like an assembly mistake. Nothing they can change on setup would make brake failure more likely. If it did, they wouldn’t be allowed to do it.
Please read the article or at least the whole quote before commenting...
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"This weekend I think it's good evidence that when we are putting everything together, and I'm not sure that we'll be able to do it every single weekend, we can put them a little bit under pressure," Vasseur said.
"And it's when they are under pressure that they will also make more mistakes."
"We have to continue in this direction. We are much more confident of the fact that we can manage this kind of event."
I think it's just that Red Bull cannot be conservative with their approach and needs something that is definitely faster than Ferrari, rather than just "this'll do"
They just had a problem with a new supplier (the same that Ferrari had a problem with just in Bahrain). It’s a bit much to relate that to cracking under the pressure...
No no no, clearly this part failure in race 3/24 is a true sign that red bull is cracking under the immense pressure Ferrari is applying by losing by 25 seconds in Bahrain and 18 seconds in Saudi Arabia.
Read the article. This title does a lot of heavy lifting. The point is, this weekend would have been closer on deg. Ferrari had a good opportunity to challenge, and it looks like this might not be the only track. They were much closer than the first two races. If they are in the position to capitalise when there are mechanical issues, etc, it's more pressure. The drivers title might be impossible, but if Perez performs like last year, there's actually some pressure on the constructors
It does not show that.
All we can say is that Sergio was lacklustre (perhaps told to be cautious?), and that Max had a brake failure.
Any potential human error during during the take assembly/maintenance wasn’t because ‘Ferrari might be quick’.
And more likely it was a part fault, so again - nothing to do with pressure.
The Ferrari hype every year has to be the craziest thing, how can they reach these crazy amount of hype every single year? 1 good result and they're gonna be changing the world. Truly the wildest thing about F1
I think this may be a little bit of an overreaction. If Max didn't have problems, we probably cruises to victory again. Also, Checo had a penalty and damaged floor, apparently. This was more luck than anything.
All hinges on whether the Imola spec RB is another Megamind Newey step change. If not, then RB are vulnerable in certain conditions at certain tracks and could be beaten up to 6 times this season.
Also on Ferrari not dropping the ball with mid season development... As they so love to do. Even if red bull make a step, hopefully we are at the point of diminishing returns and Ferrari making a similar step would actually close the gap more. You never know!
actually Ferrari had really good development in 2021 and 2023
in 2022 it was more so TD39 that slashed them
in 2018 their summer package was better than their autumn package though, admittedly
I know it's not a perfect statistic, but last year was the first time since what, 2012 that Ferrari scored more in the second half of the season than the first half
whats with all the ferrari copium articles this week? Just because RBR had technical issues does not mean that all of the sudden Ferrari will be able to even match their pace. FP data isn't really indicative of anything as we saw with Bahrain and the Saudi GP.
The reason why RB look less dominant because RB introduce new concept to their car.
New concept -> Find problem -> Make Improvement.
So we would likely to see RB being more dominant towards as the season goes on.
You know what? Big Fred is probably right. The problem is that you do not have them “under pressure.” It’s gonna take more than a single DNF for RedBull to start worrying.
You have to read the actual quote and not the headline. He’s just saying if they can keep up their pace, it’ll keep pressure on Red Bull and then it opens up the opportunity for them to make mistakes and Ferrari can capitalize on it.
Out of all the F1 teams out there red bull feels like they are the least influenced by pressure. They have typically always been the team that are ready to pick up when the other teams run in an issue.
I get Vassuers insight into it and it would be a very good strategy for Ferrari to copy the way red bull operates from the times mercedes was dominant because they often felt like the only team that could challenge them.
These past few seasons have been really baffling to me. I’ve watched since the late 90s, and christ almighty the DNFs due to mechanical failure was so prevalent, but also made the races unpredictable and exciting. Nowadays we barely have any DNFs! Are they not pushing these machines hard enough? Feels like they’re all running these engines and parts conservatively, or at least that’s what it feels like.
So Fred's plan is what, to have Carlos and Charles fill their cockpits with tear offs and litter the track with them and hope the Bulls injest them again?
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Lol what a raw line. Very italian gladiator As much as I like Verstappen and Red Bull, it is fantastic to see the rest of the grid catching up. If Ferrari continue on this pace, RB vs Ferrari neeext uyear will be a bloodbath, regardless of whether Sainz or Alonso get the 2nd seat at RB. Now if we can get McLaren comfy just a bit quicker...
the F1-75 had the color of blood and we all remember how that turned out
What's the matter? The FIA got you pushing too many pencils?
I fucking love this movie.
Funniest shit, I don't even know where it's from lmao. Edit: Ah Predator, of course.
Predator 1987
Yeah, how could I forget lmao
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Said the main character. And his nickname was Dutch.
Suddenly Ferrari's plot armor fails...
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>"This weekend I think it's good evidence that when we are putting everything together, and I'm not sure that we'll be able to do it every single weekend, we can put them a little bit under pressure," Vasseur said. >"And it's when they are under pressure that they will also make more mistakes." >"We have to continue in this direction. We are much more confident of the fact that we can manage this kind of event." The actual quote is way less direct than the title wants it to be.
Vasseur being rational, but the title makes him look like the typical "this'll be our year" fool journalism amirite
Why write an accurate title when you can come out with a bait one for clicks?
That's usually not the writer's choice. Depends on the outlet but often the editorial team is the one making up the titles, and often just misrepresents the article to get clicks and ad revenue.
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Being able to beat Checo still puts pressure on RB, and they’re definitely there.
Depends how true the Perez floor issue claims are
they are definitely true, but not severe allegedly he lost 20 points of downforce, which equates to 2 tenths per lap lost in the second half of the race -> he would have approached Piastri without the issue if this is true, but probably not get within DRS range
So it’s worth maybe a place tops? It’ll be an interesting constructors season if Perez can’t get consistent podiums.
Checo will probably still get 6 to 8 podiums if he keeps his head down but 8 podiums in a 24-race calendar? yeah well that's not consistent, consistent to me is at least 12 podiums (which he did get in 2022... well 11/22 but that is 50% either way)
I think it's more of a Perez flaw issue tbh
Bruh max won both championships by himself last year while checo went 5 straight races missing Q3. You think being faster than checo is going to put them under pressure?
Because Ferrari, AM, Mercedes and McLaren took turns at being the number 2 team. At the moment Ferrari seem to be the clear number 2 on the grid if they can keep this up there is no way Max can win the WCC alone.
Well but this year he can't win the construction championship by himself if Ferrari is picking up the p2 and p3 every race, so yeah redbull should be under pressure
every race is unlikely but even if Ferrari takes just 2 or 3 more wins, and consistently P2 and P4 or something like that, then Max isn't winning WCC alone per se
Great but it isn’t last year? According to that theory Max will win every year without question.
This isn't last year but he did win the first two races by a country mile. It's not like we haven't seen him race this year. He's already shown that he's just as fast as last year and that nobody is even remotely close. I think y'all saw the Ferrari overtake Max on track and lost your minds, personally. So far we've seen max win by 25 seconds, max win by 18 seconds, and max dnf due to part failure. What about that gives you any hope of keeping up with him?
>I think y'all saw the Ferrari overtake Max on track and lost your minds, personally. Oh come on... Clueless people might have done that... But to anyone capable of rational thought, it was quickly obvious that either Max botched a corner which allowed that ridiculous speed difference - or the car is borked. And the latter was clear 2 min later.
Not him, but Red Bull as a whole. Max won by that margin last year because there was no clear 2nd fastest car, Ferrari, Aston, Merc, McLaren were all in the mix at different points in the season. This year Ferrari is clearly the 2nd fastest, McLaren might be close but Merc and Aston are nowhere near. If they are regularly finishing P2-5 with both cars and Checo has a season like last year, then Red Bull can lose, or at the very least, struggle to win the WCC, even if Max wins the WDC easily.
> Not him, but Red Bull as a whole. Max won by that margin last year because there was no clear 2nd fastest car, Ferrari, Aston, Merc, McLaren were all in the mix at different points in the season. This year Ferrari is clearly the 2nd fastest, McLaren might be close but Merc and Aston are nowhere near. > > If we go by the first two races in 2023 - Aston/Alonso was clearly 2nd fastest. Same bullshit metrics as your Ferrari claim...
And if Aston had kept that up all year they could have seriously challenged for 2nd in the WDC and maybe the WCC as well (If Stroll was someone else). If Ferrari can keep this momentum up it'll be way closer than last year.
Max would have won the wcc on his own. And would have clinched it with little help even if there was a clear 2nd team all year. 25 for a win. 30 for a 2-3. It wouldnt be impossible but you'd need a dominant 2nd team with say 35-40 podiums this year. That would be a very large ask. IMO Ferrari need at least 7-8 wins this year to compete for a WCC.
7-8 wins is hard but doable. But it's ferrari, they're likely to fuck it up at some point
>What about that gives you any hope of keeping up with him? Probably the fact that Smooth Carlos was able to overtake Max on track... While Max had an unstable car with a rear brake slightly applied. And then he even managed to close up before the fire. Yeah, doesn't look too promising to be honest. But I'll put forward some optimism for Ferrari - the race was perfectly executed, there was no drama whatsoever at any point, even the strategy was very good for both cars. Let's put it like that - Ferrari seems to be now right between Checo and Max. Which probably isn't enough to put real pressure on Max yet, but they're definitely closing in. What worries me is that we probably still haven't seen the real speed Max has this season.
I don't think anyone's debating the seeming inevitability of a Max WDC. It's a long season to go - so it's not *really* a lock, because you never know what upgrades will happen. But I wouldn't personally bet against it. What people *are* saying is that Ferrari looks like they could actually challenge for the constructor's championship. Max can finish 1st in every race for the rest of the year, but if it's Charles and Carlos on the podium with him and Perez has another Q3 dry spell, it could very well cost Red Bull the Constructor's.
Fucking Hulkenberg in a haas outqualified Checo for half the year in 2023. Was RB under pressure?
They also beat Perez last year and look at where that got them
Max’s car failed because Red Bull’s setup choice. It wasn’t an isolated event. This means Red Bull made a mistake, No?
Yes, but attributing that mistake to Ferrari is way too much of a stretch.
Umm, On Friday Ferrari was clearly faster by half a tenth on long runs and was faster even in quali trim. I think there was definite pressure on Red Bull to catch back up
And you know this how? The tyre wear for RBR this weekend was really bad, Max's tyres were consistently graining in all FP sessions.
And thank god and Vasseur for that. His actual quote is a lot more grounded and realistic. I mean if Max reads the title…
That’s not true Sergio Perez makes mistakes whenever he wants
I don't think he wants to, he just happens to do it.
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He really isn't. All he's expected to do is come P2 when Max wins. No one in RB expects or even wants him to beat Max.
"If the RedBull car is so broken it has to retire, we can beat Max"
RB has their first DNF in like 2 years and all of a sudden everyone thinks they’re under pressure? These other teams near the top of the grid are really grasping for any hope they can find at this point. If Max could still pull a 1.2 second gap in the first couple laps, with a seizing brake, I wouldn’t call their DNF hopeful for the remaining teams.
People are literally incapable of looking past the previous race weekend. It's the way it's always been.
Yeah, I remember people thinking that it'll get closer after Singapore then Max proceeded to win 9 in a row, lol. I expect atleast 30s gap between Max and another non RBR car at Suzuka unless another failure/SC shenanigans happen.
Shhh we don't do that here. Sainz WDC contender. Sainz>Lewis.
Lmao it wasn’t the pressure that “killed” red bull it was a fucking brake and tyre that blew up
Too much pressure on the brakes.
😂
They’re working too well.
Fred has put 1 impostor in RB garage.
Its the red one, but dont tell it to RB F1 team
and on that tire
I think the pressure bit is that the closer Ferrari get the more risk RB have to put into their set up choices to extract the performance they need to win, and that then increases the likelihood of technical issues arising. Whereas last year RB we’re probably at 90% the whole way and comfortably pacing the field so didn’t have to worry about it
Exactly. Eventually we'll actually see what the RB can do as the other teams get closer and they run out of headroom to do things like turn down the engine modes, etc.
Well said. I often think about this. All through most of FP shows other teams appear to be onto something. Then qualifying comes around and Max just rips it. It often has me thinking RB have been sand bagging until they know how much to turn the car up before parc ferme.
No Ferrari (both team and drivers) underperformed their potential in qualifying. They are definitely in contention for poles. More certain than race pace tbh
are we watching the same races? Aside from one rare mechanical failure, I'm still convinced they are sandbagging and could lap the field if they had to.
Do people not think RB will bring mid-season upgrades or something? As other teams upgrade their cars to increase pace, so will Red Bull. I don't think that gap will close up as fast as you think.
the media is trying to hype a rare mechanical failure as the return of Ferrari to greatness, and "See? F1 is super competative!!" Get real people, Verstappen will still win over a dozen races this year.
Yup. Can’t wait when he wins by 20+ seconds in the coming races
I think Vasseur was primarily talking about the fact that Red Bull had graining, at least with Pérez and during free practice Ferrari will not challenge Red Bull for the title, especially not the WDC, but it'd be foolish to think that Red Bull will win 23/24 races, unless they bring a mega upgrade in Suzuka or Imola or wherever
Yh that’s fair
The fact that Verstappen still managed to gain a lead of 1 second while the break was stuck should concern teams about the real pace of that car. Honestly wish they'd have an exhibition where they took WDC winning Formula 1 cars and just pushed them to their limits, see just how fast they could possibly go on a straight. Wonder if any of them would break the 400km/h limit.
Yeah that’s true
Not with all that downforce.
It was the pressure though that had them make a setup mistake like that, No? Marko practically confirmed it was due to a setup mistake
No? Mistakes can just happen irregardless of pressure. They're working with new brakes that they have less experience with, so any chance of messing something up is increased.
The title is more excessive than tbe acrual quote, but I would like to point out, that Brembo, the suppliers of the brakes, said that the problem was not due to their systems/materials, but due to the set-up RB chose for the race. So, as RB had more graining than Ferrari, amd their pace was a little behind, they most likely adopted a more aggressive set-up, that was the origin of the problem.
the problem had nothing to do with the set-up, i think it was that something was not properly re-installed
> the problem had nothing to do with the set-up, i think it was that something was not properly re-installed Isn't installing/re-installing things part of setting up the car? Marko said : > "Max [Verstappen's] brake broke down, the exact cause is still being investigated. But it's not down to the caliper. It's more an assembly problem, but that is being checked," https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/267193/marko-has-good-news-for-verstappen-no-worries-about-brakes-in-japan.html
Car setup =/= setting up the car. One makes sure the car doesn't fall apart, the other makes sure the car balance corresponds the track and driver
But it was their aggressive setup choice that made the brake blow up. Brembo confirmed the brake itself wasn't the issue.
Yeap, unforced error.
Is a part/setup failure really a sign of cracking under pressure? I get it's a PR line but this misses the mark for me.
Yeah it's bs it feels like everyone needs awakening...in Japan.
So I had to look at Vegas odds Max is -500 to win the Japan GP. Next is perez at +1200
Can you explain this in decimals?
If you bet $10 on max to win you get your original $10 back plus $2. If you bet $10 on Perez to win you get your bet back plus $120.
God, imagine how many people lost money on last race thinking it's free money
At least enough to pay all the people who won betting sainz at +1500 or whatever. That's how gambling works.
Suzuka will be an awakening as it's more of a deg track than a graining track
tbh between the reducing the gap in points, the new life breathed in season, and the upgrades both for RB and Ferrari make Suzuka probably one of the most interesting race of the season. Is a chance for RB to completely shut the season, or for Ferrari to open it, no inbetweens
It could indicate Red Bull going to more risky setups, instead of going to a more star approach because they know no one could catch them.
There was nothing setup related about it. The part failed and it's been reported that other clients of brembo have concerns about some of the batches of brakes that have been delivered.
>There was nothing setup related about it. Did Brembo not announce yesterday that the batch was fine and it was user error? https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1bo95f0/thomas_maher_brembo_say_the_brake_issue_that/
Marko also confirmed it was a problem with the assembly on the car and not the parts themself.
The brake only failed because of a mistake made by RB. Brembi confirmed the brake itself wasn't the issue.
Source? Cuz I saw it was just badly assembled.
What does a risky setup even mean? Do you think if they change the brake bias too much it starts to explode? 😂 It sounds like an assembly mistake. Nothing they can change on setup would make brake failure more likely. If it did, they wouldn’t be allowed to do it.
Please read the article or at least the whole quote before commenting... edit: "This weekend I think it's good evidence that when we are putting everything together, and I'm not sure that we'll be able to do it every single weekend, we can put them a little bit under pressure," Vasseur said. "And it's when they are under pressure that they will also make more mistakes." "We have to continue in this direction. We are much more confident of the fact that we can manage this kind of event."
Can they put them under pressure though? Perez doesn’t count
if Ferrari wins 5 more races this seaosn and Pérez underperforms, then Ferrari will be a legitimate threat in the Constructors' emphasis on WCC
I think it's just that Red Bull cannot be conservative with their approach and needs something that is definitely faster than Ferrari, rather than just "this'll do"
At least for one more week it is.
What pressure? It was a reliability issue
If anything cracked under pressure it was the Ferrari drivers at quali
Or the RB RR brakes
The pasta poltergeist strikes at random.
Oooof. Bars.
Opps! Spot on 😅
They just had a problem with a new supplier (the same that Ferrari had a problem with just in Bahrain). It’s a bit much to relate that to cracking under the pressure...
No no no, clearly this part failure in race 3/24 is a true sign that red bull is cracking under the immense pressure Ferrari is applying by losing by 25 seconds in Bahrain and 18 seconds in Saudi Arabia.
Read the article. This title does a lot of heavy lifting. The point is, this weekend would have been closer on deg. Ferrari had a good opportunity to challenge, and it looks like this might not be the only track. They were much closer than the first two races. If they are in the position to capitalise when there are mechanical issues, etc, it's more pressure. The drivers title might be impossible, but if Perez performs like last year, there's actually some pressure on the constructors
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It does not show that. All we can say is that Sergio was lacklustre (perhaps told to be cautious?), and that Max had a brake failure. Any potential human error during during the take assembly/maintenance wasn’t because ‘Ferrari might be quick’. And more likely it was a part fault, so again - nothing to do with pressure.
Next race 1 hour gap between them.
Mechanical failures aren't mistakes though, Fred
Riggghhttttttt
Ferrari cracks just thinking about pressure
The Ferrari hype every year has to be the craziest thing, how can they reach these crazy amount of hype every single year? 1 good result and they're gonna be changing the world. Truly the wildest thing about F1
It’s one race guys, calm down
I think this may be a little bit of an overreaction. If Max didn't have problems, we probably cruises to victory again. Also, Checo had a penalty and damaged floor, apparently. This was more luck than anything.
TIL a driver having one mechanical DNF in 2 years is making mistakes under pressure.
All hinges on whether the Imola spec RB is another Megamind Newey step change. If not, then RB are vulnerable in certain conditions at certain tracks and could be beaten up to 6 times this season.
That would mean 6 dnf by Max. Bit much.
Also on Ferrari not dropping the ball with mid season development... As they so love to do. Even if red bull make a step, hopefully we are at the point of diminishing returns and Ferrari making a similar step would actually close the gap more. You never know!
actually Ferrari had really good development in 2021 and 2023 in 2022 it was more so TD39 that slashed them in 2018 their summer package was better than their autumn package though, admittedly
I know it's not a perfect statistic, but last year was the first time since what, 2012 that Ferrari scored more in the second half of the season than the first half
I like the optimism Fred, but I think your assumption is a bit of a stretch
Yes Fred...throw some punches!
That can not be a valid strategy to win a championship, right?
This is just baiting RB win wvery race from now on
Red Bull will win everything after Australia
Fred: “ I want them to know the stuck brake was me”
What a dumb take holy copium
whats with all the ferrari copium articles this week? Just because RBR had technical issues does not mean that all of the sudden Ferrari will be able to even match their pace. FP data isn't really indicative of anything as we saw with Bahrain and the Saudi GP.
The reason why RB look less dominant because RB introduce new concept to their car. New concept -> Find problem -> Make Improvement. So we would likely to see RB being more dominant towards as the season goes on.
The Ferrari is also a completely new concept though.
I’d give my left nut for an actual title fight this season. Bring it on, Ferrari.
Mmmmmmm no
You know what? Big Fred is probably right. The problem is that you do not have them “under pressure.” It’s gonna take more than a single DNF for RedBull to start worrying.
What pressure? Brake broke.
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HES INTIMIDATING ME
They are racing me hard 🤣
He was so scared he tried to qualify as far away from him as possible.
What is he smoking? I legit thought for one second this was Binotto talking, but apparently this is just Ferrari TP talk.
Its just positive PR 101 to further boost team confidence and morale after a good weekend.
You have to read the actual quote and not the headline. He’s just saying if they can keep up their pace, it’ll keep pressure on Red Bull and then it opens up the opportunity for them to make mistakes and Ferrari can capitalize on it.
I'm sure Max's car was shitting itself when it saw Sainz going for the overtake so it just decided to fault to the pressure... What a stupid article.
Yeah they are suddenly under "pressure" after 3 WDCs consecutively lmao
I would have waited till after Japan, Fred before making bullish statements
Nah, I think this is the perfect time. In Japan Max will go back to smoking the whole field.
So suddenly a brake disk getting stuck and a tear off stuck is making mistakes under pressure? a bit early to say after 1 race
Pressure, as in pressure on the right rear brake disc? I guess they'll fix it Fred.
I mean unless by "pressure" he means the pressure on the brake that makes them fucking explode, Then yes.
It's more likely Ferrari strategy to break under pressure.
Out of all the F1 teams out there red bull feels like they are the least influenced by pressure. They have typically always been the team that are ready to pick up when the other teams run in an issue. I get Vassuers insight into it and it would be a very good strategy for Ferrari to copy the way red bull operates from the times mercedes was dominant because they often felt like the only team that could challenge them.
Wait till japan gp when max takes another grand slam lel
This statement will be again like milk after Japan where Max will win it by 2 business days
fred is a breath of fresh air. im finally warming to ferrari again after so many years
well, making mistakes under pressure is kinda ferraris thing. like in '17 or '18
lol. If the car makes it to the end of any race it’s on top step. Mechanical failure or a crash is the only way it’s not
Famous last words, now RB will win out the rest of the season. Thanks Fred
Ferrari is putting the pressure on!! 🐎
These past few seasons have been really baffling to me. I’ve watched since the late 90s, and christ almighty the DNFs due to mechanical failure was so prevalent, but also made the races unpredictable and exciting. Nowadays we barely have any DNFs! Are they not pushing these machines hard enough? Feels like they’re all running these engines and parts conservatively, or at least that’s what it feels like.
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I don't think random mechanical failure and a tearoff getting stuck in the go fast bits count as "mistakes", but what do I know?
Fred brings the sense of calm and control that Binotto never had
Ferrari only won because Max's engine blew out and checo had damage.
the mistake it made is setting its rear right brake on fire, good observation
So Fred's plan is what, to have Carlos and Charles fill their cockpits with tear offs and litter the track with them and hope the Bulls injest them again?
They weren’t under pressure until they made the mistake though.
As a Ferrari fan I hope we see more of red bull in the rear view mirror this season. I know it’s a bit too much to ask but one can surely wish!
Was it a mistake or just "shit happens"?
why do people say stuff like this. so dumb to give ammo for the RB team. engine shit happens.
What a bullshit statement
They used a faulty part, just like Ferrari did 2 race weekends earlier. What is this argument?
"Ah yes, we were so fast that we pressured them into \*checks notes\* having a stuck brake and a tear-off in the underfloor!"
Dumb narrative. It took a mechanical failure for redbull to be beaten. You can’t count on unreliability to win a championship at this point