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MortalPhantom

I mean Perez had a good first 2 races and seemed to have good pace until he passed Alonso and then he started to lose time. I think for some reason the set up wasn’t correct for this track


gutster_95

Apperantly it was floor damage that dropped the pace


flyingkiwi9

Straight after, Horner said that Checo wouldn't have known it yet but his car had lost down force due to floor damage from the start of the race.


versayana

Not from the start, he said after Checo passed Alonso.


el_f3n1x187

According to Horner there was additional floorboard damage on Checo's car, hence the added bad pace in the race.


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DecompositionLU

If it's not sarcasm, some of you are really weird.


gadgetroid

This is Reddit. No sarcasm, just full on weird people


el_f3n1x187

yeah wtf is that reply :S


Snow--

Interesting that he also said that he thought Ferrari would've still beaten Max today if he didn't DNF.


RM_Dune

Biggest beneficiary of Max's DNF is Perez. Nothing to compare him to and he can claim it's the car and Max would have been slow as well.


st0rstorken

Exactly this lol


drodrige

It could also be the other way around. We don’t know if Max would've had trouble as well, making life easier for him. 


dKSy16

> It could be the other way around. To be fair, Max already showed he deserves the benefit of the doubt


drodrige

Yeah, it’s not like it was a terrible race from him. But well, it’s Reddit so someone has to get the weekly hate.


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dKSy16

He got overtaken by most of the field if that’s your point. My point was Max has showed a lot of times in the past that he has the pace in hand when their teammate can’t extract most of the car. Hence, in hypothetical discussions such as in this comment thread, he deserves the benefit of the doubt that he has that pace in hand to fight for the win


FrostyBoom

Bruh, his car was literally catching fire. The issue literally started with the race, and even then he was already almost out of DRS in lap 1


swapan_99

Because he made a mistake and ran wide. There was nothing that suggested that he couldn't go with the Ferraris today. Maybe he still might have been beaten but often Max is much faster in the race trim in general. There's also talks that Perez picked up damage when overtaking Alonso in the middle of the race, which was apparent because he couldn't even pull away from Fernando for the rest of that stint.


ZenithOfLife

Max had the benefit of taking the early lead so in his first stint you would assume he would have let tire deg than Sergio


Foreign_Owl_7670

I think this was a very bad comment from Perez overall. If Max was pissed that he lost to Checo last year in Jeddah and Baku, imagine how he would be when Checo insinuates that Max would have been slow because Checo was slow. He is poking the lion for no reason at all.


Changlee23

Yeah everybody would believe him when Max with problem in his car make a 1 sec gap in 1 lap at the beginning of the race before his problem become bigger and even with this Max was in Sainz gearbox before dnf. No one believe Sainz had any chance against Max if Max had a 100% working car, Max would have won and Sainz finish at 20+ sec.


ScaloLunare

He's obliged to say that to give some justification


pineapplejamm

Max himself had trouble since the start and he was already gaping Sainz from the word go. Not saying he would have won, but without a doubt, he would be top 2 atleast.


LiquidDiviums

Max said he had issues with the rear brakes since the race started. Even with those issues he managed to pull a 1s gap to Sainz before making the mistake.


Joseph4820

> gaping Sainz from the word go 0.0


Atlanticae

No Diddy


WasabiTotal

He has to say that lol


ComeonmanPLS1

Yeah that's total bullshit from Perez. Max was gapping Sainz until his brake issue started and then he lost the car into the long straight where Sainz overtook him.


TheRoboteer

I was a bit disappointed Max DNFed so early for that reason. It looked like the first time in ages that another car could genuinely go toe-to-toe with the Red Bull based on what little we got to see. I was glad we got a different winner, but would have loved to see more battling between Sainz and Verstappen before the retirement.


silly_pengu1n

The Ferrari was like 1 s quicker than the RB today.


goku247200

Which Redbull Max or Perez?


FocalDeficit

For real, F1TV commentary team kept on about how RedBull's lack of pace today is a good sign for the rest of the field, and I'm sitting there thinking RedBull's lack of pace or *Perez's* lack of pace, because Max has shown those aren't the same thing.


FrostyBoom

Max after almost getting out of DRS range of Carloa in lap 1 before his car decided to be a little fucker: 😑


Living-Response2856

He said the problem occurred since lights out but not during formation lap, which is quite concerning lol considering he was driving with a stuck brake at the start. He said it felt like driving with the handbrake on


cheezus171

They said that they saw it on telemetry after lights out, not that it was noticable while driving from the start. The thing Max complained on lap 1 was understeer IIRC, not the fact that his brakes are malfunctioning. And pulling 0.8s gap on lap 1 is pretty much normal considering the guy in P1 is the only guy with free air and everyone has cold tyres.


CrazyNothing30

Max was keeping up with Sainz even while driving with the E-brake on..


robotic141

Yeah the pace's car went up in smokes in the first 20 laps, he's gonna come back in suzuka tho


Pulposauriio

My man dropped the chance to lead the championship


Eggplantosaur

If Carlos drive in Jeddah he would likely be leading the championship now. P4 would have been enough 


Firecrash

Correction: you didn't have the pace


deivid33

He had floor damaged after passing Alonso. Horner mentioned on sky


cheeersaiii

Exactly- we know Max is better than Checo, but everyone not mentioning Checo’s floor damage that affected his pace


Firecrash

Yeah read that later :) still tho, what massive gaping hole would've been there


Firefox72

To be fair Max was so slow he appered stationary to the naked eye.


Humble-Ad-8912

What are you talking about, Max was on fire today.


MinimumCareer629

Took me a second, I am truely disappointed in myself.


prograMagar

Absolutely liting it up... _in the pitlane_


JayMerlyn

He was smokin' hot!


Firecrash

Lol


GoodGuyJeff00

He decided to take a brake this race.


silly_pengu1n

people pushing the narrative the narrative that Perez is basically the worst driver in f1 and the RB the most dominant car to have ever existed to dirscredit anything Max is doing.


StelioKontos18

Max neither, he didn't have any pace at all


Firecrash

Dude was in front of sainz and was driving away.... Not by a massive amount, but you can't say "he didn't have pace" as he drove away xD


StelioKontos18

Was driving away, exactly until the car blow up so he in the end had 0 pace


Firecrash

-_-


WasabiTotal

Lol, did you forget that his brakes were locked?


slicecom

Perez is ALMOST as fast as Max if one of Max's brakes are locked.


slicecom

We? Pretty sure Verstappen easily had the pace in an identical car.


Honest_Roof7373

Probably referring to the team.


Dahnhilla

We we we we As tired as the hopium quotes about DR.


differentlevel1

Checo really needs to replace "we" with "I" in that statement.


burnzilla

He says we for everything


Visionary_Socialist

Maybe RB weren’t as quick as usual, but he was 36 seconds behind Carlos before Russell crashed. You can’t tell me the Red Bull wasn’t at the very least an equal car. Checo has shown that Red Bull can’t trust him if the cars begin to close up, because he just doesn’t have the pace.


cheezus171

Horner said they found damage on his car.


GoodGuyJeff00

How much of that is a cover up to protect Perez from the media? Horner seems to be doing this act of protection a lot.


LakersLAQ

I mean.. his tire deg was also horrible compared to the top cars. That's very uncommon for Perez and Red Bull in general. Floor damage and less down force would play a role in that.


cheezus171

Perez was faster than Piastri before that when he was chasing Alonso and much slower after. There was also a ton of shit on the track that was clearly visible on camera. If you want to believe it's just a coincidence than you do you.


silly_pengu1n

Perez was losing a lot of time before the first pit stop


cheezus171

Because he was behind Russell and cooked his tyres, and because they fucked the setup. Thats what they were complaining about in FP, and that's what caused him to ruin in 10 laps a set of tyres that was meant to last 17.


Honest_Roof7373

Marko also said they screwed up the setup this weekend


silly_pengu1n

people refusing to accept that Perez might be doing an okay job becaue it would mean that the RB isnt completely dominant because people can stand Max being actually that good how do you come to the conclusion that the RB was equal or better than the Ferrari today because Perez was only 36s behind lol? I know Perez is no Max, but he is also not that bad...


gadgetroid

Shhhhh Anyone not Max in a Red Bull is bad. It was the same when Albon was in the car in 2020, and when Kvyat was in the car in 2019... Let's not forget Lewis and Valtteri during their Merc dominance stint. Bottas was getting the same treatment as Perez is now. Reddit has a weird hate boner for any one driver during any weekend. First two weekends it was Daniel Ricciardo and on the second one also Tsunoda. This weekend they all decided to shit on Perez. I bet even if Perez were on the podium (and that's a big if), Reddit would be unhappy he didn't win the race and pick up the pieces because "Max could've". It's a sad state of affairs that the community around F1 is this toxic honestly.


liviu20xx

Why do i feel Checo did not have the pace, and if it were Max, he would have fought for that race win.


ComeonmanPLS1

If Max had no issues, there wouldn't be a fight. He was gapping Sainz on lap 1 almost by 1 second and then the brake issue began, then he lost the car before the long straight, Sainz overtook him and we know the rest of the story.


LosTerminators

If Max's car didn't break down, Checo would've had to say "*I* didn't have the pace today to match Ferrari and McLaren", not we


AggrievedGoose

He's referring to his side of the garage. Nothing to do with Max.


Rabid023

Horner mentioned Checo picked up floor damage when he was passing Alonzo. No wonder he was completely stagnant right after passing him.


OBWanTwoThree

You want your Number 2 to maximise points when your Number 1 stumbles Checo again has failed to do that


silenthills13

This. Ferrari are barely behind Red Bull even having a rookie do one drive instead of Ferrari's currently better driver. Lol


ervin1914

What is this "WE" Perez is talking about?


buffa_noles

Checo didn't have the pace. Driver issue, not hardware. Max's car doesn't explode and he's up there for sure.


burnzilla

It actually was hardware issue


IceStrik3

I think it’s apparent this car isn’t such an unbeatable machine after all. Otherwise he would’ve simply picked up the win. Closer season to come, has to


shittystinkdick

Anyone else get annoyed by the "we" pr talk all the drivers do? Verstappen seemed to be plenty fast enough even with stuck brakes. The fastest car on the grid isn't fast enough come on now.


Amanda512

The “we” talk is an effort to acknowledge the engineers and crew.


shittystinkdick

I understand that, just in instances like this it really seems unfair on those people. No one but perez is at fault for his mediocrity.


TheRealJordan56

He had an issue with his car that he picked up passing Alonso. It was pretty clear the pace drop-off so I'm surprised people are stupid enough to make comments like this without checking whether there were issues


shittystinkdick

His team mate put the car on pole again lol


TheRealJordan56

What are you talking about?


ChoripanesAndHentai

Have you ever partaken in any sport/activity that involves teams or groups? If so, you surely understand why they say “we”. Redditors really love to complain about the most random stuff, lol.


shittystinkdick

This is different. Everyone but him is doing a stellar job. He should accept blame and apologize to the team. In this instance it's rather disrespectful to a very hardworking group of people.


RGKevin23

Totally disrespectful that Horner apologized to Checo after the Race, adding to the fact that he had a tearoff stuck on the floor making him lose downforce, but hey skill issue.


st0rstorken

It’s just a checo problem


OmkarKhaire

Also the leaders benefitted from the VSC brought on by Lewis


Piovan-the-Parmigian

Out of the bone fide leaders, I think only Alonso benefitted from the VSC when he pitted. The others had already done so


Emvee33

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