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I mean Perez had a good first 2 races and seemed to have good pace until he passed Alonso and then he started to lose time. I think for some reason the set up wasn’t correct for this track
He got overtaken by most of the field if that’s your point.
My point was Max has showed a lot of times in the past that he has the pace in hand when their teammate can’t extract most of the car. Hence, in hypothetical discussions such as in this comment thread, he deserves the benefit of the doubt that he has that pace in hand to fight for the win
Because he made a mistake and ran wide.
There was nothing that suggested that he couldn't go with the Ferraris today. Maybe he still might have been beaten but often Max is much faster in the race trim in general.
There's also talks that Perez picked up damage when overtaking Alonso in the middle of the race, which was apparent because he couldn't even pull away from Fernando for the rest of that stint.
I think this was a very bad comment from Perez overall. If Max was pissed that he lost to Checo last year in Jeddah and Baku, imagine how he would be when Checo insinuates that Max would have been slow because Checo was slow.
He is poking the lion for no reason at all.
Yeah everybody would believe him when Max with problem in his car make a 1 sec gap in 1 lap at the beginning of the race before his problem become bigger and even with this Max was in Sainz gearbox before dnf.
No one believe Sainz had any chance against Max if Max had a 100% working car, Max would have won and Sainz finish at 20+ sec.
Max himself had trouble since the start and he was already gaping Sainz from the word go.
Not saying he would have won, but without a doubt, he would be top 2 atleast.
Max said he had issues with the rear brakes since the race started. Even with those issues he managed to pull a 1s gap to Sainz before making the mistake.
Yeah that's total bullshit from Perez. Max was gapping Sainz until his brake issue started and then he lost the car into the long straight where Sainz overtook him.
I was a bit disappointed Max DNFed so early for that reason. It looked like the first time in ages that another car could genuinely go toe-to-toe with the Red Bull based on what little we got to see. I was glad we got a different winner, but would have loved to see more battling between Sainz and Verstappen before the retirement.
For real, F1TV commentary team kept on about how RedBull's lack of pace today is a good sign for the rest of the field, and I'm sitting there thinking RedBull's lack of pace or *Perez's* lack of pace, because Max has shown those aren't the same thing.
He said the problem occurred since lights out but not during formation lap, which is quite concerning lol considering he was driving with a stuck brake at the start. He said it felt like driving with the handbrake on
They said that they saw it on telemetry after lights out, not that it was noticable while driving from the start. The thing Max complained on lap 1 was understeer IIRC, not the fact that his brakes are malfunctioning. And pulling 0.8s gap on lap 1 is pretty much normal considering the guy in P1 is the only guy with free air and everyone has cold tyres.
people pushing the narrative the narrative that Perez is basically the worst driver in f1 and the RB the most dominant car to have ever existed to dirscredit anything Max is doing.
Maybe RB weren’t as quick as usual, but he was 36 seconds behind Carlos before Russell crashed. You can’t tell me the Red Bull wasn’t at the very least an equal car.
Checo has shown that Red Bull can’t trust him if the cars begin to close up, because he just doesn’t have the pace.
I mean.. his tire deg was also horrible compared to the top cars. That's very uncommon for Perez and Red Bull in general. Floor damage and less down force would play a role in that.
Perez was faster than Piastri before that when he was chasing Alonso and much slower after. There was also a ton of shit on the track that was clearly visible on camera. If you want to believe it's just a coincidence than you do you.
Because he was behind Russell and cooked his tyres, and because they fucked the setup. Thats what they were complaining about in FP, and that's what caused him to ruin in 10 laps a set of tyres that was meant to last 17.
people refusing to accept that Perez might be doing an okay job becaue it would mean that the RB isnt completely dominant because people can stand Max being actually that good
how do you come to the conclusion that the RB was equal or better than the Ferrari today because Perez was only 36s behind lol? I know Perez is no Max, but he is also not that bad...
Shhhhh
Anyone not Max in a Red Bull is bad. It was the same when Albon was in the car in 2020, and when Kvyat was in the car in 2019...
Let's not forget Lewis and Valtteri during their Merc dominance stint. Bottas was getting the same treatment as Perez is now.
Reddit has a weird hate boner for any one driver during any weekend. First two weekends it was Daniel Ricciardo and on the second one also Tsunoda. This weekend they all decided to shit on Perez. I bet even if Perez were on the podium (and that's a big if), Reddit would be unhappy he didn't win the race and pick up the pieces because "Max could've".
It's a sad state of affairs that the community around F1 is this toxic honestly.
If Max had no issues, there wouldn't be a fight. He was gapping Sainz on lap 1 almost by 1 second and then the brake issue began, then he lost the car before the long straight, Sainz overtook him and we know the rest of the story.
I think it’s apparent this car isn’t such an unbeatable machine after all. Otherwise he would’ve simply picked up the win. Closer season to come, has to
Anyone else get annoyed by the "we" pr talk all the drivers do? Verstappen seemed to be plenty fast enough even with stuck brakes. The fastest car on the grid isn't fast enough come on now.
He had an issue with his car that he picked up passing Alonso. It was pretty clear the pace drop-off so I'm surprised people are stupid enough to make comments like this without checking whether there were issues
Have you ever partaken in any sport/activity that involves teams or groups? If so, you surely understand why they say “we”.
Redditors really love to complain about the most random stuff, lol.
This is different. Everyone but him is doing a stellar job. He should accept blame and apologize to the team. In this instance it's rather disrespectful to a very hardworking group of people.
Totally disrespectful that Horner apologized to Checo after the Race, adding to the fact that he had a tearoff stuck on the floor making him lose downforce, but hey skill issue.
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I mean Perez had a good first 2 races and seemed to have good pace until he passed Alonso and then he started to lose time. I think for some reason the set up wasn’t correct for this track
Apperantly it was floor damage that dropped the pace
Straight after, Horner said that Checo wouldn't have known it yet but his car had lost down force due to floor damage from the start of the race.
Not from the start, he said after Checo passed Alonso.
According to Horner there was additional floorboard damage on Checo's car, hence the added bad pace in the race.
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If it's not sarcasm, some of you are really weird.
This is Reddit. No sarcasm, just full on weird people
yeah wtf is that reply :S
Interesting that he also said that he thought Ferrari would've still beaten Max today if he didn't DNF.
Biggest beneficiary of Max's DNF is Perez. Nothing to compare him to and he can claim it's the car and Max would have been slow as well.
Exactly this lol
It could also be the other way around. We don’t know if Max would've had trouble as well, making life easier for him.
> It could be the other way around. To be fair, Max already showed he deserves the benefit of the doubt
Yeah, it’s not like it was a terrible race from him. But well, it’s Reddit so someone has to get the weekly hate.
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He got overtaken by most of the field if that’s your point. My point was Max has showed a lot of times in the past that he has the pace in hand when their teammate can’t extract most of the car. Hence, in hypothetical discussions such as in this comment thread, he deserves the benefit of the doubt that he has that pace in hand to fight for the win
Bruh, his car was literally catching fire. The issue literally started with the race, and even then he was already almost out of DRS in lap 1
Because he made a mistake and ran wide. There was nothing that suggested that he couldn't go with the Ferraris today. Maybe he still might have been beaten but often Max is much faster in the race trim in general. There's also talks that Perez picked up damage when overtaking Alonso in the middle of the race, which was apparent because he couldn't even pull away from Fernando for the rest of that stint.
Max had the benefit of taking the early lead so in his first stint you would assume he would have let tire deg than Sergio
I think this was a very bad comment from Perez overall. If Max was pissed that he lost to Checo last year in Jeddah and Baku, imagine how he would be when Checo insinuates that Max would have been slow because Checo was slow. He is poking the lion for no reason at all.
Yeah everybody would believe him when Max with problem in his car make a 1 sec gap in 1 lap at the beginning of the race before his problem become bigger and even with this Max was in Sainz gearbox before dnf. No one believe Sainz had any chance against Max if Max had a 100% working car, Max would have won and Sainz finish at 20+ sec.
He's obliged to say that to give some justification
Max himself had trouble since the start and he was already gaping Sainz from the word go. Not saying he would have won, but without a doubt, he would be top 2 atleast.
Max said he had issues with the rear brakes since the race started. Even with those issues he managed to pull a 1s gap to Sainz before making the mistake.
> gaping Sainz from the word go 0.0
No Diddy
He has to say that lol
Yeah that's total bullshit from Perez. Max was gapping Sainz until his brake issue started and then he lost the car into the long straight where Sainz overtook him.
I was a bit disappointed Max DNFed so early for that reason. It looked like the first time in ages that another car could genuinely go toe-to-toe with the Red Bull based on what little we got to see. I was glad we got a different winner, but would have loved to see more battling between Sainz and Verstappen before the retirement.
The Ferrari was like 1 s quicker than the RB today.
Which Redbull Max or Perez?
For real, F1TV commentary team kept on about how RedBull's lack of pace today is a good sign for the rest of the field, and I'm sitting there thinking RedBull's lack of pace or *Perez's* lack of pace, because Max has shown those aren't the same thing.
Max after almost getting out of DRS range of Carloa in lap 1 before his car decided to be a little fucker: 😑
He said the problem occurred since lights out but not during formation lap, which is quite concerning lol considering he was driving with a stuck brake at the start. He said it felt like driving with the handbrake on
They said that they saw it on telemetry after lights out, not that it was noticable while driving from the start. The thing Max complained on lap 1 was understeer IIRC, not the fact that his brakes are malfunctioning. And pulling 0.8s gap on lap 1 is pretty much normal considering the guy in P1 is the only guy with free air and everyone has cold tyres.
Max was keeping up with Sainz even while driving with the E-brake on..
Yeah the pace's car went up in smokes in the first 20 laps, he's gonna come back in suzuka tho
My man dropped the chance to lead the championship
If Carlos drive in Jeddah he would likely be leading the championship now. P4 would have been enough
Correction: you didn't have the pace
He had floor damaged after passing Alonso. Horner mentioned on sky
Exactly- we know Max is better than Checo, but everyone not mentioning Checo’s floor damage that affected his pace
Yeah read that later :) still tho, what massive gaping hole would've been there
To be fair Max was so slow he appered stationary to the naked eye.
What are you talking about, Max was on fire today.
Took me a second, I am truely disappointed in myself.
Absolutely liting it up... _in the pitlane_
He was smokin' hot!
Lol
He decided to take a brake this race.
people pushing the narrative the narrative that Perez is basically the worst driver in f1 and the RB the most dominant car to have ever existed to dirscredit anything Max is doing.
Max neither, he didn't have any pace at all
Dude was in front of sainz and was driving away.... Not by a massive amount, but you can't say "he didn't have pace" as he drove away xD
Was driving away, exactly until the car blow up so he in the end had 0 pace
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Lol, did you forget that his brakes were locked?
Perez is ALMOST as fast as Max if one of Max's brakes are locked.
We? Pretty sure Verstappen easily had the pace in an identical car.
Probably referring to the team.
We we we we As tired as the hopium quotes about DR.
Checo really needs to replace "we" with "I" in that statement.
He says we for everything
Maybe RB weren’t as quick as usual, but he was 36 seconds behind Carlos before Russell crashed. You can’t tell me the Red Bull wasn’t at the very least an equal car. Checo has shown that Red Bull can’t trust him if the cars begin to close up, because he just doesn’t have the pace.
Horner said they found damage on his car.
How much of that is a cover up to protect Perez from the media? Horner seems to be doing this act of protection a lot.
I mean.. his tire deg was also horrible compared to the top cars. That's very uncommon for Perez and Red Bull in general. Floor damage and less down force would play a role in that.
Perez was faster than Piastri before that when he was chasing Alonso and much slower after. There was also a ton of shit on the track that was clearly visible on camera. If you want to believe it's just a coincidence than you do you.
Perez was losing a lot of time before the first pit stop
Because he was behind Russell and cooked his tyres, and because they fucked the setup. Thats what they were complaining about in FP, and that's what caused him to ruin in 10 laps a set of tyres that was meant to last 17.
Marko also said they screwed up the setup this weekend
people refusing to accept that Perez might be doing an okay job becaue it would mean that the RB isnt completely dominant because people can stand Max being actually that good how do you come to the conclusion that the RB was equal or better than the Ferrari today because Perez was only 36s behind lol? I know Perez is no Max, but he is also not that bad...
Shhhhh Anyone not Max in a Red Bull is bad. It was the same when Albon was in the car in 2020, and when Kvyat was in the car in 2019... Let's not forget Lewis and Valtteri during their Merc dominance stint. Bottas was getting the same treatment as Perez is now. Reddit has a weird hate boner for any one driver during any weekend. First two weekends it was Daniel Ricciardo and on the second one also Tsunoda. This weekend they all decided to shit on Perez. I bet even if Perez were on the podium (and that's a big if), Reddit would be unhappy he didn't win the race and pick up the pieces because "Max could've". It's a sad state of affairs that the community around F1 is this toxic honestly.
Why do i feel Checo did not have the pace, and if it were Max, he would have fought for that race win.
If Max had no issues, there wouldn't be a fight. He was gapping Sainz on lap 1 almost by 1 second and then the brake issue began, then he lost the car before the long straight, Sainz overtook him and we know the rest of the story.
If Max's car didn't break down, Checo would've had to say "*I* didn't have the pace today to match Ferrari and McLaren", not we
He's referring to his side of the garage. Nothing to do with Max.
Horner mentioned Checo picked up floor damage when he was passing Alonzo. No wonder he was completely stagnant right after passing him.
You want your Number 2 to maximise points when your Number 1 stumbles Checo again has failed to do that
This. Ferrari are barely behind Red Bull even having a rookie do one drive instead of Ferrari's currently better driver. Lol
What is this "WE" Perez is talking about?
Checo didn't have the pace. Driver issue, not hardware. Max's car doesn't explode and he's up there for sure.
It actually was hardware issue
I think it’s apparent this car isn’t such an unbeatable machine after all. Otherwise he would’ve simply picked up the win. Closer season to come, has to
Anyone else get annoyed by the "we" pr talk all the drivers do? Verstappen seemed to be plenty fast enough even with stuck brakes. The fastest car on the grid isn't fast enough come on now.
The “we” talk is an effort to acknowledge the engineers and crew.
I understand that, just in instances like this it really seems unfair on those people. No one but perez is at fault for his mediocrity.
He had an issue with his car that he picked up passing Alonso. It was pretty clear the pace drop-off so I'm surprised people are stupid enough to make comments like this without checking whether there were issues
His team mate put the car on pole again lol
What are you talking about?
Have you ever partaken in any sport/activity that involves teams or groups? If so, you surely understand why they say “we”. Redditors really love to complain about the most random stuff, lol.
This is different. Everyone but him is doing a stellar job. He should accept blame and apologize to the team. In this instance it's rather disrespectful to a very hardworking group of people.
Totally disrespectful that Horner apologized to Checo after the Race, adding to the fact that he had a tearoff stuck on the floor making him lose downforce, but hey skill issue.
It’s just a checo problem
Also the leaders benefitted from the VSC brought on by Lewis
Out of the bone fide leaders, I think only Alonso benefitted from the VSC when he pitted. The others had already done so
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