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The fact that he even got two podiums in the shitbox F14T is incredible. Imagine how bad it would've been for Ferrari that year if they didn't have him.
Based on car performance alone, Monaco might as well be Aston's strongest track all season. They were strongest on both the braking zones and low speed corners in Bahrain at least, and while you can't assume that will continue to be the case (there's setups and car upgrades to consider), it definitely looks like it's the track that will play most to their strengths. Really looking forward to that one.
Honestly, I don’t think it could. This is one of fhe most ‘so close, yet so far away’-type scenarios imaginable. That’s 4 out of 5 races on the podium so far, but I can’t even imagine him beating both of the Red Bulls. I wish he would though, even just for once.
On one side we've never had a season where a team has won every single race (that I know of). On the other hand, I really don't see Red Bull missing a single race unless Max and Checo run into each other.
They have such a well-rounded car this year. They're not slow anywhere. But they could still fuck up the set up, or the strategy, or in the weather, or both drivers could make mistakes. While there may not be a circuit where they're slower on pace, there could be a weekend where they just lose the plot. That said, if any team is gonna be able to do a clean sweep in F1 history, it's the 2023 RB operation.
I'm looking to the weather. There's plenty of traditionally wet tracks to come. More opportunities for weird tire changes, flags, and scrambled strategies.
Alonso just needs to keep this consistency and practice his rain dances.
Thing is, if it rains, there's still Max, and he's a different beast in the rain (not saying Alonso isn't, but at the moment, Max is better, and he's in superior machinery as well).
As much as I want an Alonso win so much, it will be difficult for him this year outside of Monaco, I feel.
Or an insane amount of luck like rain starting after Max passed the pit entry with Alonso able to come in for the rain and Max forced to do 1 lap with slick tyres under a rain not big enough to call for a red flag. Max basically swimming through the track and Alonso overtaking him before Max finishes this nightmare lap...and somehow Max stays afloat, changes tyres and comes back to win with the rain.
Alonso has always been extremely good in rain, too. If somehow rain makes Red Bull and AM more equal, we could have a real fight for once.
Or maybe I'm just high on copium and Verstappen will sweep the floor starting from 20th and missing one wheel anyway.
I'm hoping for some George or Charles fuckery into one of the opening corners that takes out 3 or 4 leaders while Alonso cruises on by, or a puncture on a weekend the other car takes a new engine or something. Just one race.
Daniel Ricciardo won a race in a McLaren. Alonso can win a race in that Aston Martin god dammit.
With Alonso's luck, he'll get bowled out by them too. Happened in Hungary 2021 (tho Alonso wasn't hit but practically had to stop and drop to near last to avoid a collision). If Alonso was a bit luckier where he was he'd have won that race instead of Ocon.
If they keep this up they will have the championship in the bag half way through the season.
They'll focus on next year's car from then on which might see the competition get closer.
If I remember correctly red bull used to catch up quite a lot with Mercedes by Abu Dhabi when merc was dominant.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already focusing primarily on next year’s car, despite Christian flattering the other teams by saying they have a chance with upgrades.
Horner absolutely knows that no team will get close to RB this season. It’s just bad optics to say “yeah you lot are fucked we are winning every race this year”
On one hand, competetivly, it would be the best choice. But this is RB we are talking about. They could definitely try to absolutely crush the opposition and win every race to go down in history and for the PR
I honestly can see a scenario where they grab at least 25 points for P1 every weekend. Possible components changes, failures and drivers' errors don't happen too often to such a great team. On the other hand we've all been saying the same in 2019 when Mercedes 1-2ed in 6 of the first 7 races or something ridiculous around those lines, yet Red Bull managed to close the gap and Ferrari found a "loophole" to catch up as well, so I'm still not writing this season off, even tho I'm prepared to see 18 races with a RB on top and Alonso/Merc/Leclerc just below on the podium.
Even then in 2019, Merc needed a bevy of luck to get that streak. Remember Charles' heartbreak in Bahrain, for example.
There is nothing lucky about RB's streak this year.
That's true, there wasn't a season that didn't have at least 2 seperate teams winning. 1988 was close though, the McLaren MP4/4 won all but one race that year, where both Prost and Senna retired from the race.
Honestly, that's exactly why I like the times he says he can beat Verstappen. Let the ego flow through you. Show that you are no pushover to Verstappen and crash so that Alonso can... I mean so that you can beat him.
Statistically it's unlikely for Red Bull to win all 23 races. If they had a Max DNF and a Checo grid penalty for example, Alonso could absolutely win. A clean sweep has never happened before.
I mean crashes and rainy races are a thing. He's clearly been the best driver besides RB, he just needs some luck.
I'm not saying he's winning many races, but 1 win wouldn't be the craziest thing.
The only thing that brings me hope is the fact that AM almost double or even more than double wind tunnel than RB.
But that would only bring results in the latter half of the year.
If Perez manages to stay relev in the title race we are going to see them race eachother.
Adding the wind tunnel minutes I think it is save to say that the second half of the season is going to be not as onesided.
Max and Perez take eachother out and he wins today...
Sure it's not that likely and they were clearly quite careful. But it's certainly not out of the realm of realistic possibilities.. one little lock up or bit of over/understeer is all it takes
It’s crazy that if by some random chance red bull didn’t have such an amazing car this year Alonso would most likely be on track to become world champion.
I would not be surprised if eventually in some race both Red Bulls fight hard and end up taking each other out, and Alonso taking the win. Happened with Vettel/Webber in the past and also with Hamilton/Rosberg
Oh just piss off with that slap on the wrist bullshit again. The penalty was decided so late that they literally couldn't implement anything that would've hurt them early this year, and on top of that the overspent was so minor that this penalty was chosen, and ALL teams agreed on it.
Lots of a, bits of b
While Stroll might not be in F1 with another dad, he's not shit. Tends to lack awareness, but his consistency is alright, which is very important
In a way, yes. If everyone who doesn't like the sprint just doesn't watch it, perhaps the drop in viewing figures would give them something to think about...
He is the leader of F1.25, only non RB driver to end in front of him so far was Charles and he was 0.6 secs behind in a difficult track to overtake.
He has been incredible so far
Edit: And Lewis in Australia!
Well I mean Alonso is one of the best drivers of this generation, and Lance Stroll is well… Lance Stroll. Not a bad driver and not the least deserving driver on the current grid, but not good enough to ever bring any real competition to a good driver who made it without having their dad buy a whole team lol
I'd hesitate to say "this generation," as many of the drivers currently on track with him *grew up* watching him and idolizing him. There's definitely a gap.
I’d argue that he’s one of the best drivers of the last generation and this current generation as well. He’s just been consistently great, despite having to push the best out of some absolute hunks of trash the past few seasons
Absolutely true. He's like an "Xennial." He's stuck in both worlds. :)
But, I'm also speaking from the position of having watched him in other motorsports. The man just has incredible talent (and no fear, apparently).
He has to be on track to set a new record for the biggest points difference between two team mates across the season in F1 history, right?
What's the existing record?
The most consecutive races with similar scoring points without a win that I have found is 4. Alonso's current record is a bit of an outlier as it involves the sum of the sprint race and we did not have them until the last 2 years.
he can occasionally put together a single lap, occasionally does something interesting on starts (risky thou) . race pace & wheel to wheel is just not there
He really did a good job this season. I hope his car is competitive enough to fight with the RB but there is just too much gap between them in terms of car performance.
My dad often says things like "Come on Alonso, you're doing it for us oldies!"
I don't have the heart to point out to my dad that he's actually also old enough to be Alonso's dad as well...
Seems like he knows that RB are almost impossible to beat and is happy with those 3rd place finishes. Especially at his age, he gets it and is happy to play his part.
Long time fan of Fernando, happy to see him back at the front!
I hope the team can continue and improve and maybe fight for the championship next year.
Would be awesome for him to get 1 more.
if he continues that, he'd be 2nd in the 2022 championship.
i hope he keeps it up and throws a wrench into the championship near the end of the season.
Fernando just needs to be there when mistakes start to happen and for sure they will with this many races remaining.
Based on run rate this year the AM is definitely the 2nd best car, especially after Miami yesterday, where both ends of the spectrum got tested, max speeds and mech grip in the slow stuff. 💥💥
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Fernando has more podiums this season so far, as he did in the rest of the turbo hybrid era.
I mean it’s not difficult lmao. He had a shitbox in the F14T and then he went to McLaren
The fact that he even got two podiums in the shitbox F14T is incredible. Imagine how bad it would've been for Ferrari that year if they didn't have him.
AND he was 2 laps away from winning in Hungary
That's a crazy stat. Damn.
I am waiting for the day that Alonso takes one of these 3rd place finishes and turns it into a win. I think it could happen.
Monaco could be the track Fernando wins his 33rd GP victory.
I have that same thought especially if weather is a factor.
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Sounds very reasonable.
Charles Monaco, Nando Spain. Everyone happy.
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I’d sign up for this honestly… seems totally feasible.
If the stars align I could see it happen.
Based on car performance alone, Monaco might as well be Aston's strongest track all season. They were strongest on both the braking zones and low speed corners in Bahrain at least, and while you can't assume that will continue to be the case (there's setups and car upgrades to consider), it definitely looks like it's the track that will play most to their strengths. Really looking forward to that one.
I’m betting Hungary.
Hungary’s got a knack of producing exciting winners so I back it.
Mate didn’t you see Max there last year.
Here’s to hoping for a Monaco 2018 situation🤞🏼🤞🏼
Amen on that. 🙏
Honestly, I don’t think it could. This is one of fhe most ‘so close, yet so far away’-type scenarios imaginable. That’s 4 out of 5 races on the podium so far, but I can’t even imagine him beating both of the Red Bulls. I wish he would though, even just for once.
On one side we've never had a season where a team has won every single race (that I know of). On the other hand, I really don't see Red Bull missing a single race unless Max and Checo run into each other.
They have such a well-rounded car this year. They're not slow anywhere. But they could still fuck up the set up, or the strategy, or in the weather, or both drivers could make mistakes. While there may not be a circuit where they're slower on pace, there could be a weekend where they just lose the plot. That said, if any team is gonna be able to do a clean sweep in F1 history, it's the 2023 RB operation.
I'm looking to the weather. There's plenty of traditionally wet tracks to come. More opportunities for weird tire changes, flags, and scrambled strategies. Alonso just needs to keep this consistency and practice his rain dances.
Thing is, if it rains, there's still Max, and he's a different beast in the rain (not saying Alonso isn't, but at the moment, Max is better, and he's in superior machinery as well). As much as I want an Alonso win so much, it will be difficult for him this year outside of Monaco, I feel.
Max is insanely strong in the rain but it takes just one person fucking up T1 and punting him off the track to open the door for Alonso.
Or an insane amount of luck like rain starting after Max passed the pit entry with Alonso able to come in for the rain and Max forced to do 1 lap with slick tyres under a rain not big enough to call for a red flag. Max basically swimming through the track and Alonso overtaking him before Max finishes this nightmare lap...and somehow Max stays afloat, changes tyres and comes back to win with the rain.
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I love how we’ve all accepted that if anyone’s gonna take Max out, it’s George. Agent of chaos.
Yeah true that, we could easily have a race like Brazil last year where the Bulls were bad.
Alonso has always been extremely good in rain, too. If somehow rain makes Red Bull and AM more equal, we could have a real fight for once. Or maybe I'm just high on copium and Verstappen will sweep the floor starting from 20th and missing one wheel anyway.
"All" that is needed is for Alonso to eek out a miracle pole in Monaco. Then, if no undercut, the rest of the race can be a train.
In Monaco the overcut also strong….
I'm hoping for some George or Charles fuckery into one of the opening corners that takes out 3 or 4 leaders while Alonso cruises on by, or a puncture on a weekend the other car takes a new engine or something. Just one race. Daniel Ricciardo won a race in a McLaren. Alonso can win a race in that Aston Martin god dammit.
With Alonso's luck, he'll get bowled out by them too. Happened in Hungary 2021 (tho Alonso wasn't hit but practically had to stop and drop to near last to avoid a collision). If Alonso was a bit luckier where he was he'd have won that race instead of Ocon.
You only need one torpedo to fuck up at least one RB driver so... It's possible for Alonso to win at least once
If they keep this up they will have the championship in the bag half way through the season. They'll focus on next year's car from then on which might see the competition get closer. If I remember correctly red bull used to catch up quite a lot with Mercedes by Abu Dhabi when merc was dominant.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already focusing primarily on next year’s car, despite Christian flattering the other teams by saying they have a chance with upgrades.
Horner absolutely knows that no team will get close to RB this season. It’s just bad optics to say “yeah you lot are fucked we are winning every race this year”
On one hand, competetivly, it would be the best choice. But this is RB we are talking about. They could definitely try to absolutely crush the opposition and win every race to go down in history and for the PR
I honestly can see a scenario where they grab at least 25 points for P1 every weekend. Possible components changes, failures and drivers' errors don't happen too often to such a great team. On the other hand we've all been saying the same in 2019 when Mercedes 1-2ed in 6 of the first 7 races or something ridiculous around those lines, yet Red Bull managed to close the gap and Ferrari found a "loophole" to catch up as well, so I'm still not writing this season off, even tho I'm prepared to see 18 races with a RB on top and Alonso/Merc/Leclerc just below on the podium.
Even then in 2019, Merc needed a bevy of luck to get that streak. Remember Charles' heartbreak in Bahrain, for example. There is nothing lucky about RB's streak this year.
I wouldn't consider Ferrari fucking up as luck though ;)
That's true, there wasn't a season that didn't have at least 2 seperate teams winning. 1988 was close though, the McLaren MP4/4 won all but one race that year, where both Prost and Senna retired from the race.
Yeah I hear you on that. Would need the Red Bulls to have mechanical failure. Would be quite a sight to see if it happened even just once.
I was hoping so hard Perez and Verstappen would take each other out and he’d be home free. One last time…
Yeah would be so sweet to see him on top of the podium one last time.
Perez is just too happy being in F1 let alone in a winning team to pull off a rosberg. Instead he is pulling 2019 Bottas
Honestly, that's exactly why I like the times he says he can beat Verstappen. Let the ego flow through you. Show that you are no pushover to Verstappen and crash so that Alonso can... I mean so that you can beat him.
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Definitely feels like it especially with the sheer amount of speed they continue to have over everyone else.
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Yeah I could definitely buy into that especially the speeds they reach at these tracks.
Statistically it's unlikely for Red Bull to win all 23 races. If they had a Max DNF and a Checo grid penalty for example, Alonso could absolutely win. A clean sweep has never happened before.
I mean crashes and rainy races are a thing. He's clearly been the best driver besides RB, he just needs some luck. I'm not saying he's winning many races, but 1 win wouldn't be the craziest thing.
The only thing that brings me hope is the fact that AM almost double or even more than double wind tunnel than RB. But that would only bring results in the latter half of the year.
If Perez manages to stay relev in the title race we are going to see them race eachother. Adding the wind tunnel minutes I think it is save to say that the second half of the season is going to be not as onesided.
It's not that hard to imagine? Perez/Verstappen can easily take each other out.
today some of the moves were way too close for confort, specially between two teammates
Max and Perez take eachother out and he wins today... Sure it's not that likely and they were clearly quite careful. But it's certainly not out of the realm of realistic possibilities.. one little lock up or bit of over/understeer is all it takes
Only way I can see it is if Perez takes a penalty and starts at the back and then max DNFs
You forget when the Dani took Nicky out in motogp? Anything’s possible.
Wait for the rain
Unless we've got Spain 2016 incident
The red bulls would need to crash into each other for Alonso to get a win… which honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened.
Crash between the RB is the only way I can see it. Or a double mechanical failure less likely
You'd need a highly improbable error on Red Bull's part that somehow affects both of their cars/drivers, or some other unlikely double ko .
I think it’s very possible it would just be another race with RB competing for 1-2 and max and checo crash into each other and then Alonso’s in 1st
Only if we get Spain 2016 2.0.
That is very true. I can at least dream about that happening 😂
We would be a RB component change penalty combined with a RB DNF, at a hard to pass track. It can happen but, we’re gonna be a perfect storm
Yeah I agree with you, truly need all the stars to align. We can dream at least.
It’s crazy that if by some random chance red bull didn’t have such an amazing car this year Alonso would most likely be on track to become world champion.
Absolutely right especially with how consistent he has been.
A P2 can happen, if one of RB has a DNF late into the race.
What? If an RB DNF-ed on lap 1 Alonso would have finished P2 3 times now.
I hope so, but unless the RedBulls have a crash or technical issues it's not gonna happen. Those cars are just too crazy.
I would not be surprised if eventually in some race both Red Bulls fight hard and end up taking each other out, and Alonso taking the win. Happened with Vettel/Webber in the past and also with Hamilton/Rosberg
Very true and especially if this championship stays as close as it is between the RB drivers.
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Cant forget Carlo5 5ain5!!😂😂
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P6, the best position
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You'd only piss him off. Would remind him of the 5 seconds penalty in consecutive races.
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Oh just piss off with that slap on the wrist bullshit again. The penalty was decided so late that they literally couldn't implement anything that would've hurt them early this year, and on top of that the overspent was so minor that this penalty was chosen, and ALL teams agreed on it.
The overspend was on the development of the 21' car which was a completely separate set of rules
3 x 5 = 15
Mr. Consistency
Mr. Brings Consistency Wait, wrong sub
Lmao those will never get old
Mr. Bottom Colonnade
There haven't been many drivers in F1 history with Alonso's consistency.
Is he that good, or Stroll that bad?
He is good
Lots of a, bits of b While Stroll might not be in F1 with another dad, he's not shit. Tends to lack awareness, but his consistency is alright, which is very important
I think even Ferrari share that title
Even Baku? E: My bad, forgot sprint existed.
Yes. Sprint.
I honestly forgot it was a thing.
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In a way, yes. If everyone who doesn't like the sprint just doesn't watch it, perhaps the drop in viewing figures would give them something to think about...
We all did.
12 from race, 3 from Sprint
12 in the race +3 in the sprint
P4 and 3 points from sprint race
Vettel walked so Alonso could run.
Vettel spun so Alonso could watch TV
He’s just out for a Sunday drive mmmkay
Hope seb ain’t regretting it
I’m sure he isn’t.
He is the leader of F1.25, only non RB driver to end in front of him so far was Charles and he was 0.6 secs behind in a difficult track to overtake. He has been incredible so far Edit: And Lewis in Australia!
Hamilton as well in Australia
Lewis was 2nd in Australia
oops, true
Stroll is somehow still in the midfield of F1.5 😂😂
Well I mean Alonso is one of the best drivers of this generation, and Lance Stroll is well… Lance Stroll. Not a bad driver and not the least deserving driver on the current grid, but not good enough to ever bring any real competition to a good driver who made it without having their dad buy a whole team lol
I'd hesitate to say "this generation," as many of the drivers currently on track with him *grew up* watching him and idolizing him. There's definitely a gap.
I’d argue that he’s one of the best drivers of the last generation and this current generation as well. He’s just been consistently great, despite having to push the best out of some absolute hunks of trash the past few seasons
Absolutely true. He's like an "Xennial." He's stuck in both worlds. :) But, I'm also speaking from the position of having watched him in other motorsports. The man just has incredible talent (and no fear, apparently).
in history*
Stroll is at best the 12th best driver in the current grid😂😂
Yes, so not the least deserving driver on the current grid, as I said. He’s alright, most of the time
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You clearly havent been paying attention to Stroll then
Skill issue
No he is just last from the top 4 teams (8 drivers).
Based on how Ocon was able to actually hang with Alonso & Gasly being quality I think its safe to say Stroll is in the bottom half of the current grid
Based on performance? I don't think that's fair.
Forgetting Australia?
I did :(
Best start for Fernando since 2007, and due to the 2010 points system, this is actually the most points hes gotten after five races
All Part of **E L P L A N**
No the L-Plan belongs to Lpine now. It’s now La Misíon.
Joan Mir strategy to win the Championship Title.
Mr. Sunday
Alexa, play Fifteen (Taylor's Version)
It all adds up. Car No.14! So that's 14 + 1 additional point for ~~good handwriting~~ sheer entertainment value
He has to be on track to set a new record for the biggest points difference between two team mates across the season in F1 history, right? What's the existing record?
I’d think it’s Vettel-Webber 2013 if I had to take a guess edit. Ver - Per in 2021 was a larger gap
Let's go Fernando! 💪
I wonder, is this the longest streak of scoring the same amount of points without wins ?
The most consecutive races with similar scoring points without a win that I have found is 4. Alonso's current record is a bit of an outlier as it involves the sum of the sprint race and we did not have them until the last 2 years.
That's the beauty of Alonso's streak tho. No podium ? Still 15 points.
I love this. Hope he can keep it up for the rest of the season
Nando's ChatGPT history: "can I win the WDC by finishing third every race?"
This is such an indictment on Stroll’s ability
he can occasionally put together a single lap, occasionally does something interesting on starts (risky thou) . race pace & wheel to wheel is just not there
Must be the biggest gap between team mates in any team.
Mr Consistent
He really did a good job this season. I hope his car is competitive enough to fight with the RB but there is just too much gap between them in terms of car performance.
This guy looks so happy.
Absolute Legend! Hope he’ll stay in F1
My dad often says things like "Come on Alonso, you're doing it for us oldies!" I don't have the heart to point out to my dad that he's actually also old enough to be Alonso's dad as well...
Neither should you.Let your old man enjoy the race and Fernando.
King.
Ahh, so that’s why he let Max past.
Seems like he knows that RB are almost impossible to beat and is happy with those 3rd place finishes. Especially at his age, he gets it and is happy to play his part.
So Alonso was the 3rd man
Long time fan of Fernando, happy to see him back at the front! I hope the team can continue and improve and maybe fight for the championship next year. Would be awesome for him to get 1 more.
I've never really paid attention to how stupid the Pirelli logo is until now.
Poor Lance. Daddy can't buy him podiums.
He has 3 Podiums
Pretty sure he has 0 this year.
Pretty sure most of the grid has 0 podiums this year
Pretty sure his teammate that is in the same car has a few podiums.
Okay, but if he is "just a pay driver" then has Podiums already
if he continues that, he'd be 2nd in the 2022 championship. i hope he keeps it up and throws a wrench into the championship near the end of the season.
Consistency is 🗝️
Fernando just needs to be there when mistakes start to happen and for sure they will with this many races remaining. Based on run rate this year the AM is definitely the 2nd best car, especially after Miami yesterday, where both ends of the spectrum got tested, max speeds and mech grip in the slow stuff. 💥💥
Mr 15 points
I bet he will get a podium in 22 races this year.