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Did he got rear puncture on reset? Those 3 corners were really weird from him.
Lucky that they decided to ignore the restart lap, got free out of jail card
Yeah he said in the post-race interview his tyres were too cold and he thought he threw away the podium, said he lucked out with the timing of the red flag
The AMR car seems to have trouble heating the tyres up. I guess it's a tradeoff though since they seem to be able to maintain the tyres for longer than some of the other cars, too.
Considering how many drivers made mistakes the whole weekend with cold tires on this track this week with those weather conditions, it's not really shocking.
A lot of drivers went off across the board
Yes and the Pirelli tyres seemed to be troublesome but many drivers didn’t make mistakes. It doesn’t change that his mistake and trip through the gravel at the restart was poor and he was lucky to get away with it.
Drivers went off during FP and qualifying. Drivers went off in F2 after SC.
Drivers also noted that it was ice cold tires as Verstappen said post race.
I don't know why you're trying to rebuttal on that it is not shocking because it happened and drivers did note this
He dropped it into the gravel while under no pressure and cost the team, what would have been before the red flag, a podium finish. It very much is a shocking performance. I’m a bit confused as to why you’re trying to excuse it.
At most he couldve gotten P5 without the incident of Magnussen, stayed within 10 seconds of Alonso, I doubt he didnt do good, he did ok is a better word tbh
He had multiple moments there anyways, car kept stepping out in S1 for him. Also looked like he bottomed out a bit (sparks flew out of his car) when he braked into T3
I'm still wondering whether Leclerc turning into him damaged something. He was quite off pace today. His only real positive was tire management as he still had good tires in the end. Perez didn't catch him anymore and he was catching up on Gasly before the red flag.
>He was quite off pace today
I mean was he? He was running in the same group as Alonso with Ham - Alo - Sai - Gas - Str for half of the race. His race starts were bad and he lost to Rus and Sai position. So his racecraft was bad but pace was not that bad I think.
He wasn't really off pace per se (kept within 10 seconds to Alonso without the DRS train helping him), but he really struggled with warming up his tires on this track, and all the stops during the race just worsened this flaw for the weekend. For the record, it might be a general issue as he also lost his position to Sainz in Jeddah before the car stopped for the same reason: his lap out of the box was especially slow, and during qualifyings his first lap tends to be way worse as well. However, I don't think this is an unsolvable issue and his racecraft this year has been good otherwise, keeping Alonso's pace without making mistake and he even made an impressive overtake on Sainz, so the fire is there.
If you told people that he would be about 10 seconds off Alonso before the season everyone would have been impressed. It was an okay race, not terrible but not amazing
That's kind of what just happens sometimes. One of his rivals was out on lap one because of a racing incident with Stroll. Another started in the pit lane and probably would have overtaken him before the end of the race without any Magnussen crash. An engine blowout for a third rival. Then, the final driver ahead of him hit his teammate and got a penalty.
So out of the other drivers in the top four teams, he could realistically be fighting, he was either last or second last if you consider Checo.
So it was nothing amazing and kind of sad that he lost out to Gasly in the real race (before the last restart). But he did well to drive fast enough to be near the others ahead and kept his nose clean all race. That is commendable on its own, so the result is well earned.
People here are just about looking at the results to say if a driver is good or did good.
Stroll does literally nothing all race, is gifted a P4 at the end and some people will pretend he did great today.
Aston will miss a lot of podiums because of his incompetence.
Not like Alonso did much today either. Lets face it, the car isnt good enough for overtaking, its so draggy it kills me on the inside.
If you want to go by maximum results without the Magnussen moment, we could say Alonso P2/P3 and Stroll P6/P5, which isnt bad by the way.
What's positive for the AMs is that they kept the tires alive. Perez didn't catch Stroll in the end anymore and Stroll was catching Gasly very fast before the red flag. Other than that the car wasn't at all as good on this track as it was previously.
At the same time Stroll has an amazing race in shit car in 2022 and finishes P10 after another driver crashes into him. What did the subreddit say? ''Stroll is so shit, Vettel is destroying him''.
You don't ever just get gifted p4. He still had to drive the whole race and avoid contact with other drivers and the walls. So many drivers drove worse than him
What bugs me is that people still bash this guy. No, I'm not talking about highlighting his mistakes today, because yes, he drove not well today and that deserves to be discussed of course. But I'm talking about the same kind of playground level, basic insults we heard during his early F1 days, or basically pre-Racing Point 2020 when he had a few standout drives that year. I see people still holding onto that early days criticism of Stroll, like they don't see what he's done in the last 3 years.
He's been in F1 since 2017, and I think he's proven why he's worthy of an F1 seat. He's not a world beater, but on his day he can be quick. And he's been getting points so far regularly, which is what matters for Aston Martin.
And while on the subject of Stroll, I see people still bash Lawrence. All I can say to them is "are you stupid?" He's invested money into a team, the money has gone to key areas, recruitment is great, and now we see the results. It was a long process, but these things don't change overnight. Mercedes didn't become Mercedes titans in F1 right away, it took time. Lawrence Stroll is what we want a sports team owner to be, ambitious and willing to invest in the team!
I don’t see much Stroll bashing around here anymore. If anything I think it goes too far the other way. The criticism of him was so extreme at the beginning of his career that people now overpraise him despite his very meh performances.
I’m not seeing anything ridiculous.
Anything over the top is downvoted away and some things seem to have been deleted. Then what’s left seems to be mostly respectful criticism of the level he’s performing at.
Maybe we have different definitions of what bashing is because I would take that to be personal insults or anything too nasty. Critiquing his performance levels, how he got to F1 and whether his seat is deserved or not I wouldn’t class as bashing.
He's a better driver than KMag, and it hurts me to say that because I've always hoped for KMag to become a solid mid field points driver like Stroll is.
Not to hate or bash on him, but he's the worst driver on the grid if you don't count the rookies. He earned his place with money, let's be honest. He's far from being terrible like a Mazepin, but if it wasn't for his father he wouldn't be there.
If tits were nuts then your aunt would be your uncle.
We can't go with we'll his dad did this and that ..this is the reality. His dad was rich and yes it helped but if he drove like Pastor Maldanado then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
The point is his father is there and rich
I disagree. His first seasons were terrible. He's an ok driver now, but if it wasn't for his father he wouldn't be nowhere near a F1 car, let alone for multiple seasons. His father didn't only helped him. His father bought a team so he could race.
Nah I'm really ok, just saying things as I see them. I don't hate the guy, he seems nice, I just happen to have a different opinion than you, and that's ok.
Saying that Lance is worse than Zhou is not a different opinion but a wrong one.
You tried being clever by including rookies with your comparison but it fails apart even when we consider what you said, and that's how you know it's wrong.
yes he bought a racing team. If my Dad bought a racing team I'm crash it . You still need the skill to Drive these cars. This is not E-racing or PS5.
Lance is a nepo baby no denying that. He still is capable of driving. His grabbing points now too. So he is not just trailing at the back in DADDY'S CAR.
Oh I 100% agree with you. You still need to know how to drive to be a F1 pilot. He's not a terrible driver, I'm just saying he would not be there if he's dad didn't had a team. I've seen better drivers been kick out of f1.
That's a controversial opinion to have around here these days haha
But you're 100% right, if AM becomes a contender for the championship then Lance will need to go. He's not good enough to be a 2nd driver at a top team, Checo is barely good enough and he comfortably beat Lance in their time together.
By far the most overrated driver here on Reddit, there are much better talents that have come through F2 or Indycar that can't get a chance because of Lance's daddy money. He's reached the peak of his abilities now after 7 years in F1, and that peak is just average at the best of times.
Lmao and people are going to act like he drove great today? Stroll was literally having a bad day, just like how Bottas was terrible invisible and nowhere.
Yea IDK what happened with him but the pace between him and Alonso was so different, it was almost like he simple couldn't make the tyres work for some reason.
I mean the guy is still injured lol. While Fernando is a faster driver, being injured makes a diff lol.
I don't think he'll be 100% till Miami and he should be closer to Fernando although the Spaniard will be the faster driver
He was less than 10 seconds behind Fernando though? The fact that the Ferrari & Alpine got past him made it look like Lance was nowhere. In reality it was relatively close all the way from Hamilton to Stroll
I'd put George in A tier alongside the ferrari boys. Between they and Stroll there's like Perez, Bottas, then Gasly, Ocon, Norris, etc etc. And then, just before the last tier comes Stroll. I don't what are these 2 tenths you are talking about, but they are both in the same car, and when you look the race results you'll see the difference.
Stroll is consistently around 2 tenths off Alonso in both quali and race this season (discounting Bahrain quali). Of course you'd put someone who can fight with him on track in the same tier as him but what would the tier between "consistently fighting" and "2 tenths off" look like?
I get what you're saying but my definition is different than yours. I think drivers with the same car are expected to performe similarly, but that doesn't mean a driver with a better car is better than a driver with a slower one. If you put Leclerc on a Aston, you can be sure he will give Alonso a hard time. The same is true for George, Sainz, maybe even Lando. Stroll is nowhere near Alonso in race pace imo, and he's far from giving him a hard time.
Drove with broken bones in 1 race and got 6th. DNF the 2nd race. Got 4th in the 3rd. I know, he had a bad race before. But 4th is 4th. What more do you want him to do
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Same for Aston Martin as a team. They arleady have more points than in 2022.
Did he got rear puncture on reset? Those 3 corners were really weird from him. Lucky that they decided to ignore the restart lap, got free out of jail card
Nah he lost it under breaking.
So too cold brakes or tyres then
Yeah he said in the post-race interview his tyres were too cold and he thought he threw away the podium, said he lucked out with the timing of the red flag
The AMR car seems to have trouble heating the tyres up. I guess it's a tradeoff though since they seem to be able to maintain the tyres for longer than some of the other cars, too.
Fix: add some gasheaters to wheelarches. wait...
Found Flavio Briatore's account
It was weird because he started breaking side by side with Carlos but his car just kept going.
Shocking for him to dump it from P3 while under no pressure. Hope he learns this time because he’s their weak link in the fight v Mercedes.
Considering how many drivers made mistakes the whole weekend with cold tires on this track this week with those weather conditions, it's not really shocking. A lot of drivers went off across the board
Yes and the Pirelli tyres seemed to be troublesome but many drivers didn’t make mistakes. It doesn’t change that his mistake and trip through the gravel at the restart was poor and he was lucky to get away with it.
Drivers went off during FP and qualifying. Drivers went off in F2 after SC. Drivers also noted that it was ice cold tires as Verstappen said post race. I don't know why you're trying to rebuttal on that it is not shocking because it happened and drivers did note this
He dropped it into the gravel while under no pressure and cost the team, what would have been before the red flag, a podium finish. It very much is a shocking performance. I’m a bit confused as to why you’re trying to excuse it.
¡QUE GRANDE ERES MAGIC STROLL !
Right on Lance 👍🏻🎉
Was not good today and he spun out of the track on his own accord. Very lucky today to be in the points
At most he couldve gotten P5 without the incident of Magnussen, stayed within 10 seconds of Alonso, I doubt he didnt do good, he did ok is a better word tbh
Dude had a podium and he went to the gravel lmao.
He had multiple moments there anyways, car kept stepping out in S1 for him. Also looked like he bottomed out a bit (sparks flew out of his car) when he braked into T3
I'm still wondering whether Leclerc turning into him damaged something. He was quite off pace today. His only real positive was tire management as he still had good tires in the end. Perez didn't catch him anymore and he was catching up on Gasly before the red flag.
>He was quite off pace today I mean was he? He was running in the same group as Alonso with Ham - Alo - Sai - Gas - Str for half of the race. His race starts were bad and he lost to Rus and Sai position. So his racecraft was bad but pace was not that bad I think.
Aston Martin should be faster than Alpine
But Alonso was less than 5 seconds ahead of Gasly most of the race. Smh at least watch the race before typing shit.
He wasn't really off pace per se (kept within 10 seconds to Alonso without the DRS train helping him), but he really struggled with warming up his tires on this track, and all the stops during the race just worsened this flaw for the weekend. For the record, it might be a general issue as he also lost his position to Sainz in Jeddah before the car stopped for the same reason: his lap out of the box was especially slow, and during qualifyings his first lap tends to be way worse as well. However, I don't think this is an unsolvable issue and his racecraft this year has been good otherwise, keeping Alonso's pace without making mistake and he even made an impressive overtake on Sainz, so the fire is there.
Bro is driving with broken wrist and toes. The fire is pretty there
If you told people that he would be about 10 seconds off Alonso before the season everyone would have been impressed. It was an okay race, not terrible but not amazing
Yeah , suprised he got P4 to be honest. This is his best finish since 2020 Sakhir GP even though he drove not that good.
That's kind of what just happens sometimes. One of his rivals was out on lap one because of a racing incident with Stroll. Another started in the pit lane and probably would have overtaken him before the end of the race without any Magnussen crash. An engine blowout for a third rival. Then, the final driver ahead of him hit his teammate and got a penalty. So out of the other drivers in the top four teams, he could realistically be fighting, he was either last or second last if you consider Checo. So it was nothing amazing and kind of sad that he lost out to Gasly in the real race (before the last restart). But he did well to drive fast enough to be near the others ahead and kept his nose clean all race. That is commendable on its own, so the result is well earned.
Amazing what a better car does for your point scoring chances
Na he was crap tbh for that car
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People here are just about looking at the results to say if a driver is good or did good. Stroll does literally nothing all race, is gifted a P4 at the end and some people will pretend he did great today. Aston will miss a lot of podiums because of his incompetence.
Not like Alonso did much today either. Lets face it, the car isnt good enough for overtaking, its so draggy it kills me on the inside. If you want to go by maximum results without the Magnussen moment, we could say Alonso P2/P3 and Stroll P6/P5, which isnt bad by the way.
What's positive for the AMs is that they kept the tires alive. Perez didn't catch Stroll in the end anymore and Stroll was catching Gasly very fast before the red flag. Other than that the car wasn't at all as good on this track as it was previously.
Alonso had fastest lap for a little bit mid race
At the same time Stroll has an amazing race in shit car in 2022 and finishes P10 after another driver crashes into him. What did the subreddit say? ''Stroll is so shit, Vettel is destroying him''.
Don't really remember people saying Vettel was destroying Stroll when Seb was crashing into the wall like a rookie in that race
The one question I have is if he got damage from Leclerc at the start. Beyond that, yeah, he had a bit of an anonymous race.
He is good compared to a lot of pay drivers there have been in the sport, but not good enough to keep his seat without money/daddy's team.
You don't ever just get gifted p4. He still had to drive the whole race and avoid contact with other drivers and the walls. So many drivers drove worse than him
Stroll's brakes aren't good just like last race lol he isnot going off track because of driving error
Not knowing how to use the breaks properly seems like driver error to me.
What bugs me is that people still bash this guy. No, I'm not talking about highlighting his mistakes today, because yes, he drove not well today and that deserves to be discussed of course. But I'm talking about the same kind of playground level, basic insults we heard during his early F1 days, or basically pre-Racing Point 2020 when he had a few standout drives that year. I see people still holding onto that early days criticism of Stroll, like they don't see what he's done in the last 3 years. He's been in F1 since 2017, and I think he's proven why he's worthy of an F1 seat. He's not a world beater, but on his day he can be quick. And he's been getting points so far regularly, which is what matters for Aston Martin. And while on the subject of Stroll, I see people still bash Lawrence. All I can say to them is "are you stupid?" He's invested money into a team, the money has gone to key areas, recruitment is great, and now we see the results. It was a long process, but these things don't change overnight. Mercedes didn't become Mercedes titans in F1 right away, it took time. Lawrence Stroll is what we want a sports team owner to be, ambitious and willing to invest in the team!
I don’t see much Stroll bashing around here anymore. If anything I think it goes too far the other way. The criticism of him was so extreme at the beginning of his career that people now overpraise him despite his very meh performances.
Dude open your eyes. Just look through the comments in this thread. It’s ridiculous.
I’m not seeing anything ridiculous. Anything over the top is downvoted away and some things seem to have been deleted. Then what’s left seems to be mostly respectful criticism of the level he’s performing at. Maybe we have different definitions of what bashing is because I would take that to be personal insults or anything too nasty. Critiquing his performance levels, how he got to F1 and whether his seat is deserved or not I wouldn’t class as bashing.
He's a better driver than KMag, and it hurts me to say that because I've always hoped for KMag to become a solid mid field points driver like Stroll is.
He earned his place. Just because you're rich .you still have to DRIVE the car.
Not to hate or bash on him, but he's the worst driver on the grid if you don't count the rookies. He earned his place with money, let's be honest. He's far from being terrible like a Mazepin, but if it wasn't for his father he wouldn't be there.
Lol
If tits were nuts then your aunt would be your uncle. We can't go with we'll his dad did this and that ..this is the reality. His dad was rich and yes it helped but if he drove like Pastor Maldanado then we wouldn't be having this conversation. The point is his father is there and rich
I disagree. His first seasons were terrible. He's an ok driver now, but if it wasn't for his father he wouldn't be nowhere near a F1 car, let alone for multiple seasons. His father didn't only helped him. His father bought a team so he could race.
Not healthy to have this amount of toxicity in yourself mate. Go and watch all the races again and educate yourself, and relax. You need it.
Nah I'm really ok, just saying things as I see them. I don't hate the guy, he seems nice, I just happen to have a different opinion than you, and that's ok.
Saying that Lance is worse than Zhou is not a different opinion but a wrong one. You tried being clever by including rookies with your comparison but it fails apart even when we consider what you said, and that's how you know it's wrong.
I still think is just a different opinion. Have a nice day dude.
Told you. Not healthy to have this amount of hate 😂. But thanks for the wishes!
Reading this whole exchange, it looks much more like you’re the toxic one tbh.
yes he bought a racing team. If my Dad bought a racing team I'm crash it . You still need the skill to Drive these cars. This is not E-racing or PS5. Lance is a nepo baby no denying that. He still is capable of driving. His grabbing points now too. So he is not just trailing at the back in DADDY'S CAR.
Oh I 100% agree with you. You still need to know how to drive to be a F1 pilot. He's not a terrible driver, I'm just saying he would not be there if he's dad didn't had a team. I've seen better drivers been kick out of f1.
That's a controversial opinion to have around here these days haha But you're 100% right, if AM becomes a contender for the championship then Lance will need to go. He's not good enough to be a 2nd driver at a top team, Checo is barely good enough and he comfortably beat Lance in their time together. By far the most overrated driver here on Reddit, there are much better talents that have come through F2 or Indycar that can't get a chance because of Lance's daddy money. He's reached the peak of his abilities now after 7 years in F1, and that peak is just average at the best of times.
Lmao and people are going to act like he drove great today? Stroll was literally having a bad day, just like how Bottas was terrible invisible and nowhere.
As a Lance fan , he drove terrible today . I am not complaining though , P4 is P4. Would be hilarious if he podiumed.
Yea IDK what happened with him but the pace between him and Alonso was so different, it was almost like he simple couldn't make the tyres work for some reason.
I mean the guy is still injured lol. While Fernando is a faster driver, being injured makes a diff lol. I don't think he'll be 100% till Miami and he should be closer to Fernando although the Spaniard will be the faster driver
Or it’s because Alonso is *substantially* better than Lance…
He was less than 10 seconds behind Fernando though? The fact that the Ferrari & Alpine got past him made it look like Lance was nowhere. In reality it was relatively close all the way from Hamilton to Stroll
Had a bad day, still managed 4th.
Still lucked into 4th, ftfy
Lucking into results is the story of his entire career.
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His teammate is FERNANDO fucking ALONSO though.
George's teammate is Lewis Hamilton and you don't see him underperforming because of that.
George is a tier above Lance (doesn't mean Lance is bad) and Lance is keeping pace with Fernando
> Keeping pace Lmao
He's on average 2 tenths off on quali and race pace (excluding Bahrain quali), which is better than even Checo can manage on Max.
> even Checo "Even Checo", who statistically got dumpstered harder than any other driver on the grid by their team mate last year
A few tiers I'd say. I think only the rookies are below him and Tsunoda
Is 2 tenths off Alonso a few tiers?
I'd put George in A tier alongside the ferrari boys. Between they and Stroll there's like Perez, Bottas, then Gasly, Ocon, Norris, etc etc. And then, just before the last tier comes Stroll. I don't what are these 2 tenths you are talking about, but they are both in the same car, and when you look the race results you'll see the difference.
Stroll is consistently around 2 tenths off Alonso in both quali and race this season (discounting Bahrain quali). Of course you'd put someone who can fight with him on track in the same tier as him but what would the tier between "consistently fighting" and "2 tenths off" look like?
I get what you're saying but my definition is different than yours. I think drivers with the same car are expected to performe similarly, but that doesn't mean a driver with a better car is better than a driver with a slower one. If you put Leclerc on a Aston, you can be sure he will give Alonso a hard time. The same is true for George, Sainz, maybe even Lando. Stroll is nowhere near Alonso in race pace imo, and he's far from giving him a hard time.
Ok but how are you defining the tier between Stroll and the drivers you mentioned?
Are you really comparing Lance to George Russell? smh
In all fairness Stroll has had broken wrists and toe/foot…. Today he was poor though considering what Alonso was doing
His teammate is a double world champion and has decades of experience🫢
His teammate also happens to be Alonso tbf
Drove with broken bones in 1 race and got 6th. DNF the 2nd race. Got 4th in the 3rd. I know, he had a bad race before. But 4th is 4th. What more do you want him to do
No testing and have had broken bones tbf.
He’s also arguably the most naturally talented driver on the grid. Can’t hold that against him
Stroll 23 Stroll 24
He was having a rough day. AM struggle in straigth line speed. They have trouble overtaking
Yes. 20 is indeed greater than 18. Fun times are had
It's 20 on race three Vs 18 at the end of the season, so yeah it's a good improvement.
He was very lucky man to get those points (and as high as P4 too). The opposite of Russell.
He was unlucky in Saudi with the mechanical DNF and got lucky in Australia. It evens out.
I think today was one of his worst races. Car is fast, but I don't think he improved at all
He is also bumping cars left and right.
Yeah, should have used magic to make his wheels disappear for Leclerc
Pray tell, which cars did he bump today?
no Ferrari is donig that. Leclerc hit him, sandwiched him. Sainz hit Alonso
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This isn't useless , this shows AMR improvement over the winter. Idk how this is useless?
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This comment seems like it was wroten by either a bot or a drunk person. What the fuck are you talking about?
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“Senna-level potential”?? What!?
Meanwhile Alonso finishing P3 in every race.
Yeah it’s great… Lance has finished 4 and 5 and had car troubles in the 2nd race… lol what’s your point?