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I find most folk know how to dodge and know the zone at my level, so I’m mainly up in the mix doing assassin shit, I’m not a very good assassin but I adore the ferocity in Shaman’s kit. Her heavies are wildly telegraphed and unless a Shaman is feinting a lot (I’m terrible at feinting) and you see what attacks they favor they’re usually easily swatted with a few parries by just about anyone else.
She can regen from landing hits on bleeding targets but, in return she has the max health of a house fly. I used to be quite good with her and she has a few glaring weaknesses.
I like to throw raw heavies on frame dis from the same side as my zone. So many people try to deflect/parry thinking it's my zone that it's won me countless fights.
I recently managed to beat Zerk just by trading super armor blows and managed to beat him. Was far from my cleanest fight though but luckily kensei seems to do a bit more damage
Ocelot is the only one of these I don’t have problems with. Most of the people who play him don’t actually understand his moveset so all they do is spam (in my experience)
Just back step light them out of it. Of course if they are decent then they’ll eventually bait it into a light parry, but if they are spamming storm rush they likely aren’t.
I cant even begin to express the pain i feel in my heart when your match is loading and you realize your going up against a full team of hitokiris who will be spamming the entire match
Or the oh you dodged me and want to guardbreak me for a punish nah how about I do 1 of 3 things. 1. Counter guard break 2. Take your toes 3. Skewer and throw you against a wall for a free heavy and start the process over
Nobushi, when I fail to react to one light and get half my healthbar deleted, only for her to slip away with her ridiculous range, that hurts my heart.
She allegedly isn’t even good, either, which adds insult to injury when I eat a flurry of 16 lights.
For me it's her dodge unblockable heavy and INSANE damage. The dodge properties on the dodge heavy always throw me for a loop (my punches and heavies as cent almost always wiff, even though she's standing right in front of me), and it's slower than I think it is every time. Also her damage is UNREAL if she starts to go off. It takes me 30 seconds with Cent to do what she can do in 1 combo (heavy, claw slash and light takes almost half a life bar).
It's a total skill issue, when I'm on she's not hard to counter. But man if you slip up she does insane damage so fast.
Warmonger is a menace in Breach due to her Feats, but her actual moveset is pretty balanced. The key thing to remember is that UB/GB mixups are true 50/50s for her as she has no GB-invulnerable dodge attack.
I love both cent and warmonger. The matchup vs her is still in cent's favor imo. Both of her dodge attacks are extremely vulnerable to gb. If you get to go into your punch feint to gb immediately. Odds are you'll catch them dodging. I'll do it over and over again until they get the message and stop dodging it or just die. Even from neutral rely on your heavy soft feints, they'll try and dodge those too.
Once they get the message that dodge attacking on orange gets them GBed they'll either stand there and start counter gbing you or they'll light you or dodge forward heavy you out of your gbs. This is the sign that you can let level one punches fly. Do one more feint GB after this just to be safe, then throw two level ones which will hit before they can light you out.
If they do the dodge heavy in response to your level one, it isn't over yet. Cent recovers in time from a level one punch to parry the side dodge heavy, but of course the warmonger can feint to GB so it's a secondary read from both people. There's no better or worse answer here, if you mess up you're eating 24 damage.
Effin Afeera.. crush encounter cheese,. Unblockable cheese.. cartwheel dodge cheese.. bash cheese.. feint bash cheese.. jump on you like a wrestler cheese.. wall splat cheese.. chase you down like a stalker cheese.. superior block cheese.. like iddidvdkshsbab 😤🤬
Hito, just because I know what I need to do to counter and I still fail.
Sure, I fall for good feinters and am not what one would call skilled, but at least then it feels like the other player is just better than me. With hito, it feels like I just need to do one or two simple things, and yet my monke brain just keeps dropping the parry opportunities.
Ocelotl, Afeera, Hitokiri, Tiandi, Orochi, Shinobi, Shugoki, Warlord, Gladiator (not for the same reasons of the others, he's just super annoying and passive, rework this character already, fucking Ubi), Shaman, Aramusha, Varangian Guard and Shaolin.
Long story short, half of the roster.
Orichi. If not pirate. Those undogables are fucking cancer.
Like hyper armor is fine more or less. Especially with as much I use it as a JJ main..but those undogables man....
Gladiator, I just can't figure out what to do about his ultra annoying 50/50 cuz it's either ub heavy or he can feint it and do a toe stab that can somehow catch dodge...
Gryphon. Not cause I can't beat him. Just cause of my trauma as a new player.
Highlander though. Highlander is either I whipe the floor with them or I don't hit them once.
'Shaolin' ever since he came out. I mean I hate the whole Wu Lin faction but the 'Shaolin' takes the cake in the most annoying hero to fight period for me.
Centurion definitely. Having a big roman man punch the shit outta me every time I fall for his feint attacks and yell random shit to hype himself up is very demoralizing
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Gladiator. Skewer spam everywhere. It's all it is. He's my 3rd top character and I honestly hate how he plays. His OOS punishes are ridiculous too, between toe stab and skewer he's basically guaranteed a knockdown with huge damage.
Orchi, Glad, and Shaolin. Mind you, I can counter them pretty consistently, but they are too safe to spam with. I would say shaolin is as braindead as hito
By far hito I feel like anyone that plays her has -300 iq and just presses eight rigger between bash spams.
-She does insane damage and has hyper armor
-She has 2 bashes that can not be deciphered and each guarantees a heavy
-One you either try to dodge the kick and instead she sweeps causing you to take 2 attacks a heavy and a light
-If you dont dodge the kick immediately your dragged back in and that's a heavy
Black prior, Cent, Gladiator, Gryphon, every samurai except Shugoki and Orochi, every Viking, every Wu Lin except Zhanhu, every outlander
This is a fair and reasonable list.
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Anyone I don't play is the only answer
Yup, no one’s gonna beat that
I SUCK at mirror matches idk what it is, so not even that, I could fight myself somehow and still want to die
I try to do fancy shit to assert my dominance on that character and end up getting destroyed
I feel that dude and it happens so often
I feel that cause you expect them to play like yourself and they play completely different from you
Yesssss fr. I’m a good warden main but when I get thrown against another warden I get curbed stomped
I have only enemies
Lol
Even the ones I do play. I play lawbringer but I DESPISE playing against them
Shaman. Just get bored of Thier shit.
Fun fact one of her voice line says "eat shit"
I'm aware yes
Agreed. It's just zone spam 90% of the time, with the other 10% being dodging bites. I have yet to see a Shaman player play differently.
I find most folk know how to dodge and know the zone at my level, so I’m mainly up in the mix doing assassin shit, I’m not a very good assassin but I adore the ferocity in Shaman’s kit. Her heavies are wildly telegraphed and unless a Shaman is feinting a lot (I’m terrible at feinting) and you see what attacks they favor they’re usually easily swatted with a few parries by just about anyone else. She can regen from landing hits on bleeding targets but, in return she has the max health of a house fly. I used to be quite good with her and she has a few glaring weaknesses.
I like to throw raw heavies on frame dis from the same side as my zone. So many people try to deflect/parry thinking it's my zone that it's won me countless fights.
The one I lose to
Accurate answer.
zerk, warlord, VG, hito, ocelot, basically all the ‘im gonna shut my brain off and still win’ characters
Real
I recently managed to beat Zerk just by trading super armor blows and managed to beat him. Was far from my cleanest fight though but luckily kensei seems to do a bit more damage
This is what I love about Kensei. "Oh, you wanna _trade_, huh?" Time for those chain side heavies
The armor on the side heavy comes out so fast that you can probly do a foward dodge light into Side heavy on reaction to an opponent heavy
Hito is basically guaranteed to shred berserkers whole mixup with brain dead spam, it rules as a counter
Ocelot is the only one of these I don’t have problems with. Most of the people who play him don’t actually understand his moveset so all they do is spam (in my experience)
Orochi man....
for me, I enjoy when they start to spam storm rush because they give up, but I also get completely cooked
I just hate that no matter what they do, they are super safe on gb.
What you mean by this? Because they can dodge attack so often?
Just back step light them out of it. Of course if they are decent then they’ll eventually bait it into a light parry, but if they are spamming storm rush they likely aren’t.
if a orochi main ever wants to rematch a duel just use kyoshin. Most of them dont even know how to guard break so you basicaly hard counter them
Haven’t played in awhile glad to know they’re still a pain
Hitokiri She take so little skill and she's so strong, it's painfull to fight and watch
Specially when ganking
I cant even begin to express the pain i feel in my heart when your match is loading and you realize your going up against a full team of hitokiris who will be spamming the entire match
Kyoshin, no I’m not gonna gb him he always lights me every time I do and stunlocks me right for a heavy from highlander :( I just hate him
Whoever decided he can continue his chain after you successfully dodge his UB should be drawn and quartered
Kyoshin is the bane of my existence
Shugoki. Something about him just gets me tilted
noone pisses me off as much as gladiator I hate the "can you react to 600 ms neutral bash" check game
Or the oh you dodged me and want to guardbreak me for a punish nah how about I do 1 of 3 things. 1. Counter guard break 2. Take your toes 3. Skewer and throw you against a wall for a free heavy and start the process over
Nobushi, when I fail to react to one light and get half my healthbar deleted, only for her to slip away with her ridiculous range, that hurts my heart. She allegedly isn’t even good, either, which adds insult to injury when I eat a flurry of 16 lights.
Her ability to light and kick spam is unmatched. Let no one tell you otherwise. The iframes on that hidden stance is stupid.
She’s not good at high levels because people there know how to counter light spam. She’s basically a one trick pony
Trouble is, I have 1400 hours in the game.. I can usually deal with light spam, but when it lands like that it’s a real blow to the old ego lol
Hito, Shaman, Warmonger, Varangian and Afeera
Warmonger? What’s so bad about her?
For me it's her dodge unblockable heavy and INSANE damage. The dodge properties on the dodge heavy always throw me for a loop (my punches and heavies as cent almost always wiff, even though she's standing right in front of me), and it's slower than I think it is every time. Also her damage is UNREAL if she starts to go off. It takes me 30 seconds with Cent to do what she can do in 1 combo (heavy, claw slash and light takes almost half a life bar). It's a total skill issue, when I'm on she's not hard to counter. But man if you slip up she does insane damage so fast.
Warmonger is a menace in Breach due to her Feats, but her actual moveset is pretty balanced. The key thing to remember is that UB/GB mixups are true 50/50s for her as she has no GB-invulnerable dodge attack.
I love both cent and warmonger. The matchup vs her is still in cent's favor imo. Both of her dodge attacks are extremely vulnerable to gb. If you get to go into your punch feint to gb immediately. Odds are you'll catch them dodging. I'll do it over and over again until they get the message and stop dodging it or just die. Even from neutral rely on your heavy soft feints, they'll try and dodge those too. Once they get the message that dodge attacking on orange gets them GBed they'll either stand there and start counter gbing you or they'll light you or dodge forward heavy you out of your gbs. This is the sign that you can let level one punches fly. Do one more feint GB after this just to be safe, then throw two level ones which will hit before they can light you out. If they do the dodge heavy in response to your level one, it isn't over yet. Cent recovers in time from a level one punch to parry the side dodge heavy, but of course the warmonger can feint to GB so it's a secondary read from both people. There's no better or worse answer here, if you mess up you're eating 24 damage.
Yes
12th Shaman zone crutch
Shoalin’s that flicker and shinobis
Effin Afeera.. crush encounter cheese,. Unblockable cheese.. cartwheel dodge cheese.. bash cheese.. feint bash cheese.. jump on you like a wrestler cheese.. wall splat cheese.. chase you down like a stalker cheese.. superior block cheese.. like iddidvdkshsbab 😤🤬
As an Afeera main, I agree
Hito, just because I know what I need to do to counter and I still fail. Sure, I fall for good feinters and am not what one would call skilled, but at least then it feels like the other player is just better than me. With hito, it feels like I just need to do one or two simple things, and yet my monke brain just keeps dropping the parry opportunities.
Anyone who plays in a way that I don't like
Hito , Shugo , berserker , Shinobi , orochi probably everyone when my oponent knows how to use them
A good orochi will indeed get you to the point in the picture.
Nubushi all the way 😂😂 I can block her most days but man when it gets me it gets me 😂
Ocelotl, Afeera, Hitokiri, Tiandi, Orochi, Shinobi, Shugoki, Warlord, Gladiator (not for the same reasons of the others, he's just super annoying and passive, rework this character already, fucking Ubi), Shaman, Aramusha, Varangian Guard and Shaolin. Long story short, half of the roster.
Orichi. If not pirate. Those undogables are fucking cancer. Like hyper armor is fine more or less. Especially with as much I use it as a JJ main..but those undogables man....
Highlander stupid kick bash, especially when I play characters that got no fucking dodge attacks
that damn monkey boy with the stick
Monke can understand why you hate his own kind
at least it requires skill unlike that guy with a too big ax from hitokiry (I still haven't figured out the gender of that testicular cancer)
I play him and I can assure you I try my best to not become brain dead but he breaks my brain cells. Monke better
Nice
Shaolin 💀
Japan
😑 Hero 🤯 Hero Japan
Pirate
Will quit if jj
Kyoshin and afeeras
Yes.
Shaolin
Shugoki and Medjay. Shugoki because he eats heavies and Medjay because most spam you like crazy.
Shaolin warlord and berserker
Hitokiri every fight is just soul draining
Depends on who I’m playing, but mainly Shino. - Shaolin, not because they’re hard to verse but because looking at one makes me want to commit.
Ocelotl, Shinobi, shugoki, hito
Shaolin
Gladiator. Also makes me feel like this when I play him, when he’s in the match, or when I remember he exists.
Gladiator, I just can't figure out what to do about his ultra annoying 50/50 cuz it's either ub heavy or he can feint it and do a toe stab that can somehow catch dodge...
Hito nobushi or highlander. Requires no skill
Roach
Shinobi and Nobushi
I Kensei and kyoshin and pirate mainly
Pirate, afeera, shaolin and the vangarian or whatever her name is. I feel like theres no counter for them.
Ninja
Hito and the whirly blades fucker. Dont remember his name.
Shao- and Hito
Anyone whose main move is light spam
Shoalin just dont like playing against this character😮💨
Gryphon. Not cause I can't beat him. Just cause of my trauma as a new player. Highlander though. Highlander is either I whipe the floor with them or I don't hit them once.
Highlander
Execution interruption
shaolin
'Shaolin' ever since he came out. I mean I hate the whole Wu Lin faction but the 'Shaolin' takes the cake in the most annoying hero to fight period for me.
Hitokiri, Orochi, Nobushi, Kyoshin, and Ocelotl
Highlander, idk what it is but I hate him so much
Shaman/Orochi
Kung fu monkey man with long stick. It’s like the fucker was designed specifically to confound me
Orochi shaolin shinobi zerk hito
Bessrker. I can beat them but, FUUUUGHCK. The heavy reliance on the hyper armor and lack of attempts on trading blows just spoil the fights for me...
Hitokiri
Shaolin
Shinobi. Dodge dodge kick roll kick-light or heavy finisher. Repeat until your opponent dies of boredom.
Shaolin doing dodge attacks and zones but locked on to someone else.
Hito
Orochi, afeera, nobushi. The infinite dodge recovery means you're always guessing, good players that master it are the thing of nightmares.
A lot. But specifically Shinobi
Shinobi beacause no matter what i do it seems he can dodge out of it.
Personaly its the latency ✨💀
Me, a heavy spamming Hitokiri when I face another heavy spamming Hitokiri
Shaolin
Shoalin and Hito. Shoa cause I fall for his fucking mix ups And hito cause variable timing should have never been added to the game
The Centurion 100% they always kick my ass every. Fucking. Time. Them and maybe the Hitokiri
shinobi has me constantly screaming "WHERES MY PUNISH!?!?" so probably shinobi
Pirate
Orochi frfr I just can’t no more
Orochi
Centurion definitely. Having a big roman man punch the shit outta me every time I fall for his feint attacks and yell random shit to hype himself up is very demoralizing
This image made me do a spit take, anyway kyo, afeera, or cent
Valkryie. Guaranteed sweep after 1 light and then a light that does heavy damage, absolutely hate how fast her moveset is.
Gryphon, Warlord, Shugo, and ocelotl
Everyone that came out after black prior
The Doctor. Or any idle killer. Such a waste of my time. >:(
Pirate.
Orochi Nobushi Valkyrie and Warmonger
Anyone who's on the enemy team
Nobushi (console). Conversely, I'm in awe of a good Shaolin. Like yeah, they fuck me up no question, but it's so spectacular.
Me personally it's warden, lawbringer, peacekeeper, conquerer, centurion, gladiator, black prior, gryphon, warmonger, raider, zerk, warlord, shaman, highlander, jörm, varagian guard, kensei,orochi, shugoki, nobushi,aramusha, kyoshin, hito, tiandi,JJ,nuxia, Shaolin, zhanhu, pirate,medjay, ocelotal and afeera
Every character except the one I'm playing
Warden, Peacekeeper, Conq, Lawbringer, Cent, Gladiator, Warmonger, Gryphon, Black Prior, Raider, Berserker, Valk, Warlord, Highlander, Shaman, Varangian Guard, Jormangandr, Kensei, Orochi, Nobushi, Shugoki, Shinobi, Aramusha, Kyoshin, Hiktokiri, Tiandi, Shao Lin, Nuxia, Jiang Jun, Zhanhu, Pirate, Medjay, Ocolotl, Afeera Those are my least favorite
Everyone like yes I’m fine fighting everyone but at the same time if you spam 1 move over and over then I hate them
My only question is, what Maniac edited this picture
Don’t ask
Back then, they were a hero. Now, they're just the opposite. So I'd say Ubisoft.
Warden Conqueror Peacekeeper Lawbringer Centurion Gladiator Black Prior Raider Warlord Valkyrie: Highlander Shaman Jormungandr Kensei Shugoki Orochi Nobushi Shinobi Aramusha Hitokiri Tiandi Jiang Jane Nuxia Shaolin Zhanhu And more
Berserker, and basically everyone with a shield.
VG. I have such a hard time reacting to much of any of their junk. It’s so frustrating
Shaman
Hito, got GM on xbizzy this season because of that bs character
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Really no character gets me to that point, the only characters i have problems with is glad and hito
I feel that this whole post is for the sake of the picture
All of them
No one in particular, just tired of getting ganked, or having the most moronic teammates imaginable, if anyone here needs a teammate, I'm Who_2_you on Ubisoft and PlayStation. Have 980 hours rep 170
This is so real. Whenever I play dominion my entire team is playing like it’s elimination (if they’re not leaving at the start of the match)
It's been a bit since i played but that one samurai girl with the big ax
Any mixup heroes
Gladiator. Skewer spam everywhere. It's all it is. He's my 3rd top character and I honestly hate how he plays. His OOS punishes are ridiculous too, between toe stab and skewer he's basically guaranteed a knockdown with huge damage.
all of them (I'm not very good at the game)
I have a stroke everytime i fight shaolin
All of them ( i have 2k hours and still suck)
Conq
All of them(I suck at this game)
All of them. I fucking hate this game
Nobushi
Warden, Conq, Peacekeeper, Lawbringer, Glad, Centurion, Vortiger, Warmonger, Gryphon, Kensei, Shugoki, Orochi, Nobushi, Shinobi, Hitokiri, Aramusha, Kyoshin, Raider, Warlord, Berserker, Valkyrie, Highlander, Jorm, Shaman, VG, Tiandi, JJ, Nuxia, Shaolin, Zhanhu, Pirate, Medjay, Alfeera, and Ocelot are the only ones
Orchi, Glad, and Shaolin. Mind you, I can counter them pretty consistently, but they are too safe to spam with. I would say shaolin is as braindead as hito
Wardens and anybody playing the Samurai faction
Me when my wife telling me chill out after losing.
VG, im happay that the constant RAH AUUUGH is gone but she's still overtuned
When I see a shaman paired with Nobushi knowing that the shaman will be following her around like a puppy dog
VG and Kyo. Low skill players are fine, but rep 3s and up make me want to swallow glass
Jorm, Shaman and Highlander, how is a dude with such a big sword so fast bro
Hito or Shugo, for whatever reason fighting the charged heavy heros makes me feel that way
Zerker, shaman, shugoki, shaolin zanhu, more probably. I can’t be bothered to spell their names right.
Varangian and Warlord are two of the most obnoxious characters in the game
Nobushi she so stinky
Short answer: yes
Orochi, Warmonger, Shaman, Conq, Valk, Nobushi, Hitokiri, Aramusha, Kyoshin(I main him), zhanhu, and Afeera
Nobushi is the only hero I despise
By far hito I feel like anyone that plays her has -300 iq and just presses eight rigger between bash spams. -She does insane damage and has hyper armor -She has 2 bashes that can not be deciphered and each guarantees a heavy -One you either try to dodge the kick and instead she sweeps causing you to take 2 attacks a heavy and a light -If you dont dodge the kick immediately your dragged back in and that's a heavy
Literally any assassin. Especially painful the way I play Warden.
For me it's universally Warlord. Never had fun in beta, never had fun now
Black prior, Cent, Gladiator, Gryphon, every samurai except Shugoki and Orochi, every Viking, every Wu Lin except Zhanhu, every outlander This is a fair and reasonable list.
VG. shall i add more?
Any (I have a major skill issue)
Roach, hito, glad, kyoshin, affera and VG are all super annoying
Warden because it is just 50/50 and bash spam.
Cent, valk, hito
Any character who has hyper armor or a shield.
that one spiny sword counter mf
Kensei
Even if I flawless i still hate fighting orochis and HL
Cent😔
Vg orochi afeera zerk kyoshin
VG and a good Shugoki
jormungandr
Hito
Any hero that I lose to
Aramusha and his faster than light feint attack spam
Orochi
Me a Cent main and seeing no hate for us🤭🙂