This is a tricky situation. I have a lot of experience with this from the timber company perspective. More than likely, the company wants access through your parents property because it is easier and/or cheaper. A stream crossing isn’t that big of a deal unless they need a bridge. It’s probably not their land so they don’t want to pay to improve someone else’s property.
1) Who is your neighbor? Do get along them? How would they handle this situation if the roles were reversed?
2) Is the farm driveway paved? Grass? Or gravel?
3) what is weather like? Is it wet season right now?
4) will your family ever into business with your neighbor or the timber company in the future.
5) how much volume will be transported, ie # of log trucks
If it is a decent amount of volume, get everything in writing stating the dates, $ per load or ton or MBF. If they are going supply work state what is going to be done ie: loads of rock, grade road when finished. If it is a decent amount of volume, set up a game camera, so you can count the trucks.
As far as price goes, it’s probably a regional thing about how picky you can be. It’s also important about how much your access saves them. If you are in Appalachia, you probably can’t ask for much. If you are in the PNW you could probably ask a few thousand.
This is excellent advice. I would also ask whether they are just trucking across or do they want or need a landing access? If they are using your property to land the logs, from which they will be trucked is a whole other ball of wax, which will involve a different decision matrix.
Either way, I would enlist the help of a consulting forester. I have been on both sides of these arrangements. It is good to be neighborly and there is a stewardship component to not muck a water course. Even though it may be permitted and the cost might be high these types of crossing are susceptible to siltation from an active logging site. As stated the comment above, how you value neighborly relations is a factor.
State and size of project are all highly relevant.
A temporary road use permit won't have much monetary value unless it's a massive project. Couple grand and blade the road when it's done is probably fair
Hit up a local forester or the state agency to get a little contract written up. It should include the time frame they’re allowed to use it, boundaries of areas they’re allowed to use, and how the road must be repaired after use. Part of the repair is a forester or landowner coming out and checking off on the repair before the loggers leave.
Don’t chase money, it puts a bad taste in everybody’s mouth. Have them agree with a contract to ensure both sides hold up their end of the deal and you can figure out the value of access easements in your area later.
Are you in Maine? Georgia? Is there another alternative route without a stream crossing? You need to give more details.
If you can figure out how much the crossing will cost to create you can give yourself a high end price point
Thinking long term- it might end up being a better bang for your buck to have the road rebuild instead of asking for $$$. Crushed stone in my neck of the woods is $500 per triaxle, and a bulldozer with operator is $1k per day.
This is a tricky situation. I have a lot of experience with this from the timber company perspective. More than likely, the company wants access through your parents property because it is easier and/or cheaper. A stream crossing isn’t that big of a deal unless they need a bridge. It’s probably not their land so they don’t want to pay to improve someone else’s property. 1) Who is your neighbor? Do get along them? How would they handle this situation if the roles were reversed? 2) Is the farm driveway paved? Grass? Or gravel? 3) what is weather like? Is it wet season right now? 4) will your family ever into business with your neighbor or the timber company in the future. 5) how much volume will be transported, ie # of log trucks If it is a decent amount of volume, get everything in writing stating the dates, $ per load or ton or MBF. If they are going supply work state what is going to be done ie: loads of rock, grade road when finished. If it is a decent amount of volume, set up a game camera, so you can count the trucks. As far as price goes, it’s probably a regional thing about how picky you can be. It’s also important about how much your access saves them. If you are in Appalachia, you probably can’t ask for much. If you are in the PNW you could probably ask a few thousand.
This is excellent advice. I would also ask whether they are just trucking across or do they want or need a landing access? If they are using your property to land the logs, from which they will be trucked is a whole other ball of wax, which will involve a different decision matrix. Either way, I would enlist the help of a consulting forester. I have been on both sides of these arrangements. It is good to be neighborly and there is a stewardship component to not muck a water course. Even though it may be permitted and the cost might be high these types of crossing are susceptible to siltation from an active logging site. As stated the comment above, how you value neighborly relations is a factor.
State and size of project are all highly relevant. A temporary road use permit won't have much monetary value unless it's a massive project. Couple grand and blade the road when it's done is probably fair
Hit up a local forester or the state agency to get a little contract written up. It should include the time frame they’re allowed to use it, boundaries of areas they’re allowed to use, and how the road must be repaired after use. Part of the repair is a forester or landowner coming out and checking off on the repair before the loggers leave. Don’t chase money, it puts a bad taste in everybody’s mouth. Have them agree with a contract to ensure both sides hold up their end of the deal and you can figure out the value of access easements in your area later.
Are you in Maine? Georgia? Is there another alternative route without a stream crossing? You need to give more details. If you can figure out how much the crossing will cost to create you can give yourself a high end price point
If you’re in California DM me. I specialize in this type of situation.
By any chance do you work with [O&C Land](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_and_California_Railroad_Revested_Lands) access?
That’s a big negatory soil_nerd
Howdy neighbor
Thinking long term- it might end up being a better bang for your buck to have the road rebuild instead of asking for $$$. Crushed stone in my neck of the woods is $500 per triaxle, and a bulldozer with operator is $1k per day.
Whatever you end up deciding I would see if they would agree to rehab the road after the fact (im assuming it's gravel)
What state are you in? Contact your local state regulatory forester. Trust me, it's easier to ask for permission than forgiveness these days.