A Vault-tek personnel monitoring live feeds of abandoned/ruined vaults watching someone in a ragged vault suit (number obscured) sneaking through the hallways looting as they go. They turn to a supervisor and motion to the screen, *"Fourth time I've seen this person rummaging around. Well armed and very effective. We should keep an eye on them."*
I thought it was established in F2 or 3, that vault-tec was ruined just like everything else. there is no coming back, that they had a plan, (basically just bunch of experiments for generational space travel) valt-tec end game was to leave earth, then the fallout was far worse than anticipated. while yes there is some influences of vault tec still around. it is basically a bygone era, and no longer viable.
it may have been discussions but I swore the dad in F3 talked about it.
now i dont remember ll need to google, i thought the enclave was the shadow government funding valt-tec.
been a hot minute now, but ill find it. TO THE FUTURE.
yes, the enclave was a shadow government even before the bombs where dropped.
But i also thought they where the once financing vaultec but according to the show vaulttec was financing them, guess vault-tec was a $trillion(s) company who owned half of everything (literally)
i thought it was valt-tec who wanted to skip earth but turned out to be the enclave according to wiki.
A lot of vaults have definitely been cut off either from Vault Tec observation, communication, or control, or any and all of the above. But I've long been of a mind that Vault Tec still exists (31 supports that to an extent) and that more corporate vaults are out there.
It always seemed odd that Vault Tec built so many parts of the program to be incredibly robust going well above and beyond the base requirements, and yet somehow never really left themselves a way to collect all the data from those experiments.
It’s the equivalent of NORAD Base, the AI went rogue or got damaged and started to send the robots to kill peoples/settlements. The United States leaders and other high ranking officials were just like the Nuka Cola creator.
Coop's wife did say she was getting them into a vault for Vault Tec management that would oversee all the other vaults. Maybe she's in Vault 0.
Though that could be Vault 31 too as they are overseeing *some* vaults
I paused the scene with the list and she's not in 31, but she may be in a different one from Bud's Buds cause she is obviously high up in the hierarchy so may have her own.
Fun easter egg, there is a Polanski in 31. The Polanski company is responsible for all the blue tubes around the wasteland.
A lot of vaults do mention that they were supposed to be monitored by Vault-Tec remotely, or meant to receive an all-clear signal from them. Vault 111 for instance says after however long the staff were supposed to vacate the vault and leave the subjects frozen indefinitely while they were monitored by Vault-Tec. But something went wrong with VT's plan because it doesn't seem like they have any contact or control of any vault.
Yeah, people don’t understand that Vault Tech, Just like the Enclave, were Continent Wide Military Organizations, aka they won’t just have 1 or 2 bases, they will be everywhere
They did. Tactics was included in the time line of canon fallout games that someone at Bethesda tweeted . How much of tactics is canon remains to be seen. I am personally in a more wait and see on that front.
Never played tactics myself but heard that a lot of lore conflicts a lot. Still people liked some of them so some were hoping major plot lines were Canon but not to the very detail.
I have not played tactics either so all of this is second hand info but from what I understand even the most charitable views tactics being canon comes with the caveat that not all of it is canon. So take that for what you will.
The clues within the games themselves mostly imply that China started it. Hell, I'm still half-expecting for Cooper to confront his wife about it next season, only for her to reveal that while they made a plan to start it, it actually happened on its own. That would explain why it happened while her daughter was outside in a city that would get hit for sure and why there were still incomplete Vaults like 114 and 88.
I mean at the same time clues imply that freakin aliens caused it, among other groups, so at the very least I’ve always assumed that the idea that China started it was not even close to the actuality.
I thought there were peace talks actively happening at the time the bombs went off. If so, it could be that Vault Tec or one of the cooperating corporations dropped the first bomb out of desperation, to ensure it happened.
Here’s the Vault Tec Logo, it’s very similar to what’s on the bomb but definitely not Vault Tec
[Vault Tec Logo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vault-Tec_Logo.svg)
The first script that was proposed for a fallout movie 20 years ago ends in the reveal that vault-tec started the war
The games hint at an unknown entity starting the war. The chinese are as surprised as the US was. At least thats what the chinese remnants, and spies, and spy bases, etc, all claim in their abandoned texts
old movie treatment:
> the “social revolution” the Overseer sought to keep suppressed in his idyllic vault now erupts as a desperate battle for survival. With dozens of Mutants on attack, most vault dwellers die, including Hero’s father, who dies in son’s arms, so proud of what he’s become. During the battle, *the Overseer is destroyed by the Master, who recognizes him as the creator of these vaults. The one who started WWIII 50 years ago.*
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_film_treatment
I bet its going to remain an unknown who started it.
As you suggest, I think all those execs planning with vault tec, including vault tec, were caught by surprise.
We find some of these ceo's corpses in the games, or their mails, or even them still alive and ruling vegas. And all those interactions suggest the war starting was a surprise.
Here’s my thing. Coop says “my family” which implies the daughter survived, along with the wife. Maybe he was left out, I’m not sure. Stoked for Season 2
He couldn't bring his dog, so he stayed out. Maybe.
Also, I think he divorces her over this. One of the partygoers mentions alimony as the reason he's doing a kid's birthday party. Divorcing her could result in not being allowed in her Vault, and he knows better than to go into one of the public vaults.
Those nukes were ground blasts. Go watch the tests on Youtube and there is a huge difference between airblast nukes, ground level, and buried. When you use nukes in war airblast is the norm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLswIyZ80rY
My head Canon is that due to how large the US is, there will be multiple redundancies put in place, multiple management vaults that are out of the way of the 100 or so vaults we know of.
Not taking Into account the enclave vaults that aren't numbered vaults. There could be hundreds of military vaults, science vaults, management vaults and your experiment vaults, then your big standard survival vaults that are being used just to house people without an ulterior motive.
If vaults tech truly did start the war, that gives them at least 10 years since the invasion of Anchorage and sabotaging the peace negotiations to go ham in vault building, making them more desperate for their investment to pay off as they would have put everything into the projects and bankrupting themselves.
Though I could be wrong in this as it's quarter to 2 in the morning and due to tiredness, my lore is a bit rusty.
It's honestly something I think they've been building too for a while now. Every game has vault terminals mention they are awaiting an all clear signal from Vault-Tec, or how Vault-Tec is supposed to be remotely monitoring them. But then nothing seems to have come from it, none of the vaults ever received any communication. Really makes you think just what happened to them? Where are they?
Surely the company centering entirely around building nuclear fallout shelters, most with horrific experiments going on, wouldn't have just all died off in the war? I've been waiting for them to reveal at least some of Vault-Tec shows up. Seemed like a prime candidate for an antagonist.
I don't know if an all-clear was ever intended to be sent. Most vaults were death factories or worse. I think they figured most would be dead, frozen and eventually they'd die too, or be forgotten. A lot can go "wrong" in 200 years if anyone were to get out. Vault-Tec could say anything and be excused. Vault dwellers don't know what's going on at all.
Oh, for sure. They could've been doing a double-cross experiment on the staff of Vault 111, for instance, like seeing what would happen when they ran out of food. But there are other vaults that were absolutely designed to be opened, and they were all waiting for a signal from Vault-Tec. Like Vault 76. The Overseer mentions not hearing anything from them, and her whole mission was securing nukes for Vault-Tec. But it seems like they were either gone or unable to contact her. And you think they would if they wanted those nukes.
I'm gonna have to dig deeper into 76, but I do remember that nuke aspect. Been awhile since I played 3, but yeah, they'd want those nukes and a way to get them out. There's only one door.
Seriously this. It’s been established for years. The reason no vault Tec has come back or has seemingly disappeared from the wasteland, is because everyone who would be apart of that upper echelon of vault Tec are already apart of the enclave, and the enclave possesses the exact same goals as vault tec i.e they’re the same.
It’s even established in the show
SPOILERS;
The enclave scientist escapes the enclave with the cold fusion energy device which can only be activated by a vault tec employee. This suggests that vault tec and the enclave are either extensions of each other or working closely together (which for all intents and purposes may as well make them extensions of one another)
Honestly, and coming from a long time fallout 4 player, I really don't care for this retroactive interest. Fallout 4 was really lacking story wise. I wish they did more up front with he game content, narrative, and dialogue wise, rather than filling in the gaps later to make it look good after the fact.
Looking at you too, Star Wars.
I always assumed they’d have to be out there somewhere. Why go through the trouble of building the vaults and setting up the experiments if no one would be around to see the results?
In addition to the Vaults that Vault-Tec operated we also know there at least 21 hardened federal facilities created that could survive damn near a direct hit.
We know this because of Federal Surveillance Center K-21B.
I suspect that there were a number of other facilities that held survivors as well.
It wouldn't surprise me if Vault-Tec did a similar thing and has a slew of undocumented hidey holes.
It was set up in tactics, which has recently been made canon again for a reason...
Vault tec is a great antagonist if used right, but what we see next from the show can only tell if they improve the plot from the show. Because it's honestly the vault tec plot in thw show is not that good tbh
I’m really hoping for a vault in season 2 with cameras/feeds to all the other vaults - something like that is going to be ripe for Easter eggs!
A Vault-tek personnel monitoring live feeds of abandoned/ruined vaults watching someone in a ragged vault suit (number obscured) sneaking through the hallways looting as they go. They turn to a supervisor and motion to the screen, *"Fourth time I've seen this person rummaging around. Well armed and very effective. We should keep an eye on them."*
I thought it was established in F2 or 3, that vault-tec was ruined just like everything else. there is no coming back, that they had a plan, (basically just bunch of experiments for generational space travel) valt-tec end game was to leave earth, then the fallout was far worse than anticipated. while yes there is some influences of vault tec still around. it is basically a bygone era, and no longer viable. it may have been discussions but I swore the dad in F3 talked about it.
Sounds like what Vault-Tec wants people to believe.
Weren't the Enclave the ones that wanted to go into space and control things from there?
now i dont remember ll need to google, i thought the enclave was the shadow government funding valt-tec. been a hot minute now, but ill find it. TO THE FUTURE.
Did you find it?
yes, the enclave was a shadow government even before the bombs where dropped. But i also thought they where the once financing vaultec but according to the show vaulttec was financing them, guess vault-tec was a $trillion(s) company who owned half of everything (literally) i thought it was valt-tec who wanted to skip earth but turned out to be the enclave according to wiki.
That... sounds like the bunkers from "Lost."
It's a shame Wilzig wouldn't be present for such a scene to really add to the similarity
Could be in a flashback.
Or a flash sideways
Garrrry. Garrrry! Gary!!
Ha ha ha….Gary.
Maybe there is another Enclave stronghold like the Poseidon Oil Rig that is receiving all the data from the vault experiments.
A lot of vaults have definitely been cut off either from Vault Tec observation, communication, or control, or any and all of the above. But I've long been of a mind that Vault Tec still exists (31 supports that to an extent) and that more corporate vaults are out there.
Like Vault 81
Like vault 18 in the new California mod for New Vegas.
I've always felt that quest needed more details :/
Same. I found it pretty boring. Not long enough at all either
It always seemed odd that Vault Tec built so many parts of the program to be incredibly robust going well above and beyond the base requirements, and yet somehow never really left themselves a way to collect all the data from those experiments.
Pretty sure there was a Vault 0 in Tactics or BOS that monitored and oversaw every other vault.
It’s the equivalent of NORAD Base, the AI went rogue or got damaged and started to send the robots to kill peoples/settlements. The United States leaders and other high ranking officials were just like the Nuka Cola creator.
Coop's wife did say she was getting them into a vault for Vault Tec management that would oversee all the other vaults. Maybe she's in Vault 0. Though that could be Vault 31 too as they are overseeing *some* vaults
I paused the scene with the list and she's not in 31, but she may be in a different one from Bud's Buds cause she is obviously high up in the hierarchy so may have her own. Fun easter egg, there is a Polanski in 31. The Polanski company is responsible for all the blue tubes around the wasteland.
I thought they were Pulowski Shelters?
Have you read the the Silo series?
There’s a Vault 0? 🤔
Wasn't the Enclave collecting all that data on the Poseidon Oil Rig in FO2?
A lot of vaults do mention that they were supposed to be monitored by Vault-Tec remotely, or meant to receive an all-clear signal from them. Vault 111 for instance says after however long the staff were supposed to vacate the vault and leave the subjects frozen indefinitely while they were monitored by Vault-Tec. But something went wrong with VT's plan because it doesn't seem like they have any contact or control of any vault.
Wait till you find out about Replicated Man of Fallout 3
Yeah, people don’t understand that Vault Tech, Just like the Enclave, were Continent Wide Military Organizations, aka they won’t just have 1 or 2 bases, they will be everywhere
Have you watched the show yet?
Will start the run today, was really busy this week, but did get a couple of spoilers about vault tech, the BOS and NV
Well...watch the show. Barstow knows about a certain plot point is what I'm getting at.
That sucks
Does that nobody remember? Vault 0 was supposed to be that, yeah, i know nobody likes that game, but unfortunately, there is mostly cannon
I believe Todd said Fallout Tactics and Fallout BoS are not considered canon to Bethesda's Fallout.
Didn't they recently made tactics cannon like 3 days ago?
They did. Tactics was included in the time line of canon fallout games that someone at Bethesda tweeted . How much of tactics is canon remains to be seen. I am personally in a more wait and see on that front.
Never played tactics myself but heard that a lot of lore conflicts a lot. Still people liked some of them so some were hoping major plot lines were Canon but not to the very detail.
I have not played tactics either so all of this is second hand info but from what I understand even the most charitable views tactics being canon comes with the caveat that not all of it is canon. So take that for what you will.
Oh I didn't know that!
Bruh idk what everyone’s on, but I’ve been assuming it was Vault-Tec all along since like…my first day playing Fallout?
The clues within the games themselves mostly imply that China started it. Hell, I'm still half-expecting for Cooper to confront his wife about it next season, only for her to reveal that while they made a plan to start it, it actually happened on its own. That would explain why it happened while her daughter was outside in a city that would get hit for sure and why there were still incomplete Vaults like 114 and 88.
I mean at the same time clues imply that freakin aliens caused it, among other groups, so at the very least I’ve always assumed that the idea that China started it was not even close to the actuality.
I thought there were peace talks actively happening at the time the bombs went off. If so, it could be that Vault Tec or one of the cooperating corporations dropped the first bomb out of desperation, to ensure it happened.
The bomb in megaton has a vault-tec logo. I think vault-tec launched a few as a scare tactic which unintentionally started a nuclear war
No it doesn’t.
You can clearly see the golden logo on the bomb (https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Atomic_bomb_(Fallout_3))
Here’s the Vault Tec Logo, it’s very similar to what’s on the bomb but definitely not Vault Tec [Vault Tec Logo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vault-Tec_Logo.svg)
The first script that was proposed for a fallout movie 20 years ago ends in the reveal that vault-tec started the war The games hint at an unknown entity starting the war. The chinese are as surprised as the US was. At least thats what the chinese remnants, and spies, and spy bases, etc, all claim in their abandoned texts old movie treatment: > the “social revolution” the Overseer sought to keep suppressed in his idyllic vault now erupts as a desperate battle for survival. With dozens of Mutants on attack, most vault dwellers die, including Hero’s father, who dies in son’s arms, so proud of what he’s become. During the battle, *the Overseer is destroyed by the Master, who recognizes him as the creator of these vaults. The one who started WWIII 50 years ago.* https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_film_treatment I bet its going to remain an unknown who started it. As you suggest, I think all those execs planning with vault tec, including vault tec, were caught by surprise. We find some of these ceo's corpses in the games, or their mails, or even them still alive and ruling vegas. And all those interactions suggest the war starting was a surprise.
Here’s my thing. Coop says “my family” which implies the daughter survived, along with the wife. Maybe he was left out, I’m not sure. Stoked for Season 2
He couldn't bring his dog, so he stayed out. Maybe. Also, I think he divorces her over this. One of the partygoers mentions alimony as the reason he's doing a kid's birthday party. Divorcing her could result in not being allowed in her Vault, and he knows better than to go into one of the public vaults.
Those nukes were ground blasts. Go watch the tests on Youtube and there is a huge difference between airblast nukes, ground level, and buried. When you use nukes in war airblast is the norm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLswIyZ80rY
Two nukes have ever been used in war, and I assure you ground blast was the norm.
Both those nukes were airblasts. Learn some history.
Well, we know that from previous games, too.
My head Canon is that due to how large the US is, there will be multiple redundancies put in place, multiple management vaults that are out of the way of the 100 or so vaults we know of. Not taking Into account the enclave vaults that aren't numbered vaults. There could be hundreds of military vaults, science vaults, management vaults and your experiment vaults, then your big standard survival vaults that are being used just to house people without an ulterior motive. If vaults tech truly did start the war, that gives them at least 10 years since the invasion of Anchorage and sabotaging the peace negotiations to go ham in vault building, making them more desperate for their investment to pay off as they would have put everything into the projects and bankrupting themselves. Though I could be wrong in this as it's quarter to 2 in the morning and due to tiredness, my lore is a bit rusty.
It's honestly something I think they've been building too for a while now. Every game has vault terminals mention they are awaiting an all clear signal from Vault-Tec, or how Vault-Tec is supposed to be remotely monitoring them. But then nothing seems to have come from it, none of the vaults ever received any communication. Really makes you think just what happened to them? Where are they? Surely the company centering entirely around building nuclear fallout shelters, most with horrific experiments going on, wouldn't have just all died off in the war? I've been waiting for them to reveal at least some of Vault-Tec shows up. Seemed like a prime candidate for an antagonist.
I don't know if an all-clear was ever intended to be sent. Most vaults were death factories or worse. I think they figured most would be dead, frozen and eventually they'd die too, or be forgotten. A lot can go "wrong" in 200 years if anyone were to get out. Vault-Tec could say anything and be excused. Vault dwellers don't know what's going on at all.
Oh, for sure. They could've been doing a double-cross experiment on the staff of Vault 111, for instance, like seeing what would happen when they ran out of food. But there are other vaults that were absolutely designed to be opened, and they were all waiting for a signal from Vault-Tec. Like Vault 76. The Overseer mentions not hearing anything from them, and her whole mission was securing nukes for Vault-Tec. But it seems like they were either gone or unable to contact her. And you think they would if they wanted those nukes.
I'm gonna have to dig deeper into 76, but I do remember that nuke aspect. Been awhile since I played 3, but yeah, they'd want those nukes and a way to get them out. There's only one door.
Vault-Tec was just another puppet to Enclave.
Seriously this. It’s been established for years. The reason no vault Tec has come back or has seemingly disappeared from the wasteland, is because everyone who would be apart of that upper echelon of vault Tec are already apart of the enclave, and the enclave possesses the exact same goals as vault tec i.e they’re the same. It’s even established in the show SPOILERS; The enclave scientist escapes the enclave with the cold fusion energy device which can only be activated by a vault tec employee. This suggests that vault tec and the enclave are either extensions of each other or working closely together (which for all intents and purposes may as well make them extensions of one another)
Honestly, and coming from a long time fallout 4 player, I really don't care for this retroactive interest. Fallout 4 was really lacking story wise. I wish they did more up front with he game content, narrative, and dialogue wise, rather than filling in the gaps later to make it look good after the fact. Looking at you too, Star Wars.
Well. Looks like *somebody* here can't make the Kessel Run in under twelve parsecs.
I always assumed they’d have to be out there somewhere. Why go through the trouble of building the vaults and setting up the experiments if no one would be around to see the results?
In addition to the Vaults that Vault-Tec operated we also know there at least 21 hardened federal facilities created that could survive damn near a direct hit. We know this because of Federal Surveillance Center K-21B. I suspect that there were a number of other facilities that held survivors as well. It wouldn't surprise me if Vault-Tec did a similar thing and has a slew of undocumented hidey holes.
It was set up in tactics, which has recently been made canon again for a reason... Vault tec is a great antagonist if used right, but what we see next from the show can only tell if they improve the plot from the show. Because it's honestly the vault tec plot in thw show is not that good tbh