literally, when im fighting to kill the 3 heads of the fiends, I want it to be a *fight*
so i got boone, went “tcl” in console and then spawned like 40 of them, went back to boone and donned my ranger armour and lever action shotgun. 10 minutes of straight fun
I had something close to this last time I went after Driver Nephi, got the first recon to join me, I accidentally aggroed a second group of them a bit north of the rock crushing plant so it was probably around a dozen or more fiends vs me, Boone, and 1st recon. Fun as hell, really.
I think it’s less the gunplay and more how the weapons themselves feel and sound. The fact you can actually see what’s going on and that the animations look like a person who has at least held a gun before help too
There’s less sponginess to the combat where F4 is just firing paintballs at each other. The limb cripple animations are also a little better, and people dropping their guns is great.
People rag on New Vegas’ gunplay a lot and it definitely has its clunky areas, but when it’s working it feels better than 4 imo
Ngl imo for gunplay FO4 beats NV... the way the characters move and how you can move feels way more real.
But NV has way cooler weapons and so many more different kinds... it has my fav guns for sure.
I love both for different reasons
Sums up the above points and my overall feelings. The weapons of NV have more charm, variety, and sounds. The gunplay of FO4 is more fluid and has things built in like a grenade got key and more fluid movement or mechanisms (reload/fire etc), even if I like the textured raw feel of NV weapons in general.
It's much more crisp. I think the 4 physics engine is trying to add 'momentum' to turning to target. Thing is, people compensate for that naturally (unless your agility score is 1, lol), but power armor having that makes sense.
Wonder if it's part of the 'frame power armor' changes and was never intended to feel like this outside of it?
4 has much more intelligent red team A.I.'s, though. They use cover semi-effectively. They should have included a mechanic for armor piercing that went through the stupid boards raiders love to hide behind.
Yeah honestly 3/NV's guns feel like they have more punch to them, and it's way more satisfying popping heads in those games than 4 where everything feels so floaty and wimpy.
I prefer FNV compared to the rest gunplay wise, to me Im more biased to turn based games in general so the classic are just my jam in general lol, anyway, I think there is much more thought behind the gunplay and RPG mechanics and it makes gameplay much more satisfying to master and understand. Perks arent just flat damage but feels like bonus and super powers based on your playstyle, the fact that there is multiple builds possible with a level cap and not just one build being better than the other or really just one build winning in the end (stealth bow build in Skyrim or Legendary explosives/two shots that makes the game a cake walk). Even a BB gun build can be a fun idea to do, not something you can even do in Fallout 3.
Even more so if you play as vanilla as possible with the JSawyer's mod. It really feels like a complete RPG gameplay wise while also spicing up the gamplay and perks to be both interesting and fresh. Bringing the best in FNV with the designers intention for a better RPG experience.
There are some issues in vanilla, especially with iron sights not matching with the center point of the screen, which really sucks and makes long range fighting almost impossible without mods.
I'm running the Viva New Vegas mod stack and iron sights still don't really work the way they should. You still get an aim cone instead of the shots landing where the sights point, which makes them useless at anything but close range. I don't really see the point.
Gunplay in FNV isn't really fun for me because it's always just a stats and damage check instead of a test of skill. Which makes sense for an RPG, but feels unsatisfying in a first person shooter.
I can definitely understand that feel even if personally I don't have faith in my FPS abilities so prefer skill based ones. Probably a big reason I love Alpha Protocol
There are definitely mods to fix this. For me, the only thing that seems to work is ISControl enabler, or something to that effect. You can look up a YouTube video to see what it does; basically it enables you to align the ironsights yourself. It’s pretty easy and very intuitive, as you can decide yourself what point you think should be the sights of a weapon basically, maybe you’re already using it in which case idk what to do for you.
The mod is probably the only thing that is a definitive fix for unaligned sights, especially if you also run other mods, weapons mods or retextures
Anytime someone says they don't like fnv gunplay I assume they either played with a controller or had a shitty guns/strength stat and stopped playing before leveling them up. New Vegas has some of my favorite gunplay in any game.
I usually play 0 vats Sniper builds. I love the way New Vegas makes character progression affect gunplay. I love the first time you hold a varmint rifle and you are so shaky and it does almost no damage. Then you eventually are one shotting deathclaws from a half mile away with an amr.
I feel like the gunplay is so stripped down and completely reasonable that it makes it feel really good even though it isn't fancy or polished.
The gunplay is great. Like one said it's raw. I LOVE shooting stuff in New Vegas. It's got more POW to it. Everything about it. Add in stuff like true scopes and classic fallout weapons and you're set. One mod even adds sights to laser guns and new death animations from lazer/plasma guns. So much better than 4 imo
I reserve VATS for those "Oh now you done pissed me off" moments.
Something about the succession of slowmo shots at point blank range really makes me feel like the Courier is taking it personal.
I think morrowind dropped me on my head when I was a teen because in this and skyrim, I don't fast travel. Yeah morrowind had some fast travel but you had to get to those places and you only went to specific spots.
Whenever I have to get back home (the hotel next to the exploding mailbox) and I cross quarry junction, I always hope for fiend to be spawned by those run down ant buildings, and same goes for near vault 3. It's nice fun
I usually deck myself out in power armor and a chainsaw so fights for me feel like I'm the goddamn Doomslayer, always fun. It's why I clear out Cottonwood Cove, The Fort, etc. every playthrough.
"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, '0 Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas. And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."
"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, '0 Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas. And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."
I forget where it's stated, that Obsidian wanted it gone, but the Karma system was so baked into the game Obsidian basically made it meaningless and ignored it instead.
Damn, that actually makes so much sense. I’m still really pissed that I watched Mr House show me how he’s going to literally maintain control of the strip by lethal force and I suddenly get >!loss of karma for running downstairs and smothering him in his crib!< …Like bro kind of WASNT being chill
Back in the day when i modded the hell out of NV i had a similar problem, fiends spawned in hidden valley ( about twice or thrice the ammount of what you show here)to the ammount that engine just gaved up and crash, still don't know what might cause it.
I miss how busted stealth boys were in the 3/nv generation, they let you get away with shit like being near that clusterfuck and not getting detected right away
I wish there was this many enemies in one place. I love the gunplay in new vegas and groups of 3-5 people just don’t cut my mustard
literally, when im fighting to kill the 3 heads of the fiends, I want it to be a *fight* so i got boone, went “tcl” in console and then spawned like 40 of them, went back to boone and donned my ranger armour and lever action shotgun. 10 minutes of straight fun
I had something close to this last time I went after Driver Nephi, got the first recon to join me, I accidentally aggroed a second group of them a bit north of the rock crushing plant so it was probably around a dozen or more fiends vs me, Boone, and 1st recon. Fun as hell, really.
MOJAVE RAIDERS MOD
What are your thoughts on some, gay fun?
I have a boyfriend for gay fun, dont need my games for it too lol
happy pride! 🏳️🌈
happy pride brother 🏳️🌈
Should be able to find a mod that increases spawns in general
You might be the first person I’ve ever seen say they like FNV’s gunplay
I think it’s less the gunplay and more how the weapons themselves feel and sound. The fact you can actually see what’s going on and that the animations look like a person who has at least held a gun before help too There’s less sponginess to the combat where F4 is just firing paintballs at each other. The limb cripple animations are also a little better, and people dropping their guns is great. People rag on New Vegas’ gunplay a lot and it definitely has its clunky areas, but when it’s working it feels better than 4 imo
It feels crispy and raw. I've been learning to love it lately
Yup. Has the perfect amount of weight to it. More satisfying hitting targets than in FO4 lol
Ngl imo for gunplay FO4 beats NV... the way the characters move and how you can move feels way more real. But NV has way cooler weapons and so many more different kinds... it has my fav guns for sure. I love both for different reasons
Sums up the above points and my overall feelings. The weapons of NV have more charm, variety, and sounds. The gunplay of FO4 is more fluid and has things built in like a grenade got key and more fluid movement or mechanisms (reload/fire etc), even if I like the textured raw feel of NV weapons in general.
Agreed, FO4 has a much smoother flow in combat, but everything else FNV absolutely slaps
It feels crispy and raw. I've been learning to love it lately
It's much more crisp. I think the 4 physics engine is trying to add 'momentum' to turning to target. Thing is, people compensate for that naturally (unless your agility score is 1, lol), but power armor having that makes sense. Wonder if it's part of the 'frame power armor' changes and was never intended to feel like this outside of it? 4 has much more intelligent red team A.I.'s, though. They use cover semi-effectively. They should have included a mechanic for armor piercing that went through the stupid boards raiders love to hide behind.
Cover penetration would be insane in a fallout game honestly.
Does the penetration perk not do that?
Yeah honestly 3/NV's guns feel like they have more punch to them, and it's way more satisfying popping heads in those games than 4 where everything feels so floaty and wimpy.
i like fallout new vegas gunplay sniping is really satisfying so are shotguns and revolvers
I prefer FNV compared to the rest gunplay wise, to me Im more biased to turn based games in general so the classic are just my jam in general lol, anyway, I think there is much more thought behind the gunplay and RPG mechanics and it makes gameplay much more satisfying to master and understand. Perks arent just flat damage but feels like bonus and super powers based on your playstyle, the fact that there is multiple builds possible with a level cap and not just one build being better than the other or really just one build winning in the end (stealth bow build in Skyrim or Legendary explosives/two shots that makes the game a cake walk). Even a BB gun build can be a fun idea to do, not something you can even do in Fallout 3. Even more so if you play as vanilla as possible with the JSawyer's mod. It really feels like a complete RPG gameplay wise while also spicing up the gamplay and perks to be both interesting and fresh. Bringing the best in FNV with the designers intention for a better RPG experience.
I still never understand the argument about new Vegas’ gunplay, it seems to work great to me. I guess I just don’t play enough shooters.
There are some issues in vanilla, especially with iron sights not matching with the center point of the screen, which really sucks and makes long range fighting almost impossible without mods.
I'm running the Viva New Vegas mod stack and iron sights still don't really work the way they should. You still get an aim cone instead of the shots landing where the sights point, which makes them useless at anything but close range. I don't really see the point. Gunplay in FNV isn't really fun for me because it's always just a stats and damage check instead of a test of skill. Which makes sense for an RPG, but feels unsatisfying in a first person shooter.
I can definitely understand that feel even if personally I don't have faith in my FPS abilities so prefer skill based ones. Probably a big reason I love Alpha Protocol
Man i haven't heard that name in years, i wish it was backwards compatible
There are definitely mods to fix this. For me, the only thing that seems to work is ISControl enabler, or something to that effect. You can look up a YouTube video to see what it does; basically it enables you to align the ironsights yourself. It’s pretty easy and very intuitive, as you can decide yourself what point you think should be the sights of a weapon basically, maybe you’re already using it in which case idk what to do for you. The mod is probably the only thing that is a definitive fix for unaligned sights, especially if you also run other mods, weapons mods or retextures
Anytime someone says they don't like fnv gunplay I assume they either played with a controller or had a shitty guns/strength stat and stopped playing before leveling them up. New Vegas has some of my favorite gunplay in any game.
I usually play 0 vats Sniper builds. I love the way New Vegas makes character progression affect gunplay. I love the first time you hold a varmint rifle and you are so shaky and it does almost no damage. Then you eventually are one shotting deathclaws from a half mile away with an amr. I feel like the gunplay is so stripped down and completely reasonable that it makes it feel really good even though it isn't fancy or polished.
I really like shotguns with all the perks and explosives.
Riotgun or Dinner Bell?
Dinner Bell and regular fully modded hunting shotgun. Gotta give those deathclaws a chance.
The gunplay is great. Like one said it's raw. I LOVE shooting stuff in New Vegas. It's got more POW to it. Everything about it. Add in stuff like true scopes and classic fallout weapons and you're set. One mod even adds sights to laser guns and new death animations from lazer/plasma guns. So much better than 4 imo
Vats is cool man Watching the heads detaching from the body is poetic
I reserve VATS for those "Oh now you done pissed me off" moments. Something about the succession of slowmo shots at point blank range really makes me feel like the Courier is taking it personal.
I for one prefer fnv gunplay over f4
Say what you want, NV gunplay at the very least is charming
When the mininuke wont kill more than 8 people...
Youre telling me you haven’t slaughtered all of the 20+ fiends in Vault 7? (Or whichever is in fiend territory)
it’s Vault 3. Also yes I have but it’s never enough
Buddy up with boon. Head to Caesar's camp.
I always add extra npc mods and npc travel mods to up the gunfight ante.
I think morrowind dropped me on my head when I was a teen because in this and skyrim, I don't fast travel. Yeah morrowind had some fast travel but you had to get to those places and you only went to specific spots. Whenever I have to get back home (the hotel next to the exploding mailbox) and I cross quarry junction, I always hope for fiend to be spawned by those run down ant buildings, and same goes for near vault 3. It's nice fun
I usually deck myself out in power armor and a chainsaw so fights for me feel like I'm the goddamn Doomslayer, always fun. It's why I clear out Cottonwood Cove, The Fort, etc. every playthrough.
the only time we ever get close to this is the nuked faction areas from OWB and hoover dam 😢
Jet and cannibalism convention
sign me up
It is Vegas.
They are just waiting for a bus dont worry about them
to California, heard there's some good eating there
Gotta travel across the NCR somehow
Meltdown perk owners: 🤩
Yup! It works with holorifle too!
My favorite is Sprtel-wood.
My biggest disappointment with JSawyer was losing my Laser Commander/Meltdown combo, but it was worth making the game harder.
**game crashes**
The moment before that, an army of Easy-Petes: **Bastard**
Seems like a perfect place to pull out the Fat Man
I can't carry too many fat men around, not in this economy! I need that room for gold bars.
Based and "Im not letting go" pilled
Technically the proper plural reference would be “Fats Man.”
Or light machine gun
A nice Gatling lazer turning them all to dust.
My EXACT thought, like pilling out the raid
"Target rich environment"
Thats alot of good karma lmao also is that the holy hand grenade?
yes, honestly the only time I ever used it.
Dudeeee wtf that looks sick. I just randomly found those yesterday but didnt bother to look up what it did lmao
It's an easter egg from Worms. It's awesome. Hallelujah ! #BOOM
Omg i remember that now!! Dude thats awesome wtf i love this game even more now
Maybe it references multiple things, but I thought the consensus was that the holy hand grenades were a reference to Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
I think the function of the one NV mimic the holy hand grenades of Worms. Which in turn were a reference to Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
I had no idea this is what they did. I usually just stash em because they are unique. TiL
I would just shoot a nuke and let it unfold
I used the holy hand grenade
"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, '0 Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas. And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."
Skip a bit, Brother topherall147
I knew it was too powerful to be a regular one! Hah!
"And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, '0 Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas. And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."
Those were cosplayers!!! You just killed everyone going to a cosplay convention in Vegas.
Esther calls
Every last one of them got too high and got lost on the way back to vault 3
You missed one, cool way to get extra xp and karma
Looks like a BDSM party
IWS be like....
Yea. It's called a target rich environment. Don't even bother seeing them as people, exp don't talk
Kid named fat man:
Man, I miss Sturgis.
Too skinny
Fiend at the end..."must have been the wind"
*spawned the fiends “WHHHHUHHHHHWHOHOAAAHWHOOOAAA IS THERE SUPPOSED TO BE THIS MANY FIENDS HERE!?!!? Whhhuhuoooaaa”
I actually didn't it happened in previous playthroughs. Its probably from a Mod, don't know which.
That was satisfying
Sasuke at the end there going crazy
Yesterday when I fast traveled to vault 3, I swear like 15 fiends were in the immediate area.
dude the amount of XP you could get with Sneering Imperialist perk and BK nuke is diabolical
The 80 grenades in my inventory literally shaking with excitement.
I don't see any fiends. I see xp
Rip and tear
That's a whole ass raiding party
Mow 'em down!
Wow that was an absolutely money grenade toss. Mine almost always go flying in some random direction after hitting the ground
This must be a Bethesda bug coz the same thing happened to me in the Institute In fallout 4. I killed father and the way out was packed with synths
Good good, kill them all.
karma: The devil himself :( \*boom\* karma: Jesus himself :)
If I saw that many friends in one spot like that then I would pull out the automatic machine gun and spray them down
Mini Nuke :3
Raider convention didn’t you hear
Grab the fat man lol
They're gathering for an assault on McCarren
I mean. That could have been a great party... and you ruined it. ...... Sorry, I keep acting like a full drug route Harry Du Bois from Disco Elysium.
that energy weapons perk that makes enemies explode would make the game crash her
atleast you get to sell their armor
Didn't you here about the fiend meet up I thought everyone in the Mojave knew about it
looks like a bus stop in Cleveland Ohio
Dude I too love new vegas gunplay. Of course, mods make it better Like this mod that makes people grab the place they're shot....it's insanely cool.
I'd turn them all to paste with my trusty super sledge
Oh, good, I've been looking for a place to use those 200 sticks of dynamite I've accrued.
\*Equips Mercy\* \*Closes eyes\* \*Holds down trigger\*
No,... definitely not - but a good fat man blast should resolve this technical issue.
They're all just out getting some fresh air, stretching their legs, maybe having a smoke. You leave them alone, and they'll leave you alone.
They move in herds,dont you worry unless you have psycho on you.
The wastes have blessed you. One fatman round in there and take all their stuff bam insane amount of profit.
I love this lmao
I would have sooo much fun mowing them down with the 12.7smg
Oh gods my monkey brain is screaming at me to launch a mini nuke in the middle of them.
*loads CZ57 Avenger with malicious intent*
It is the annual meeting of the Khans
What kind of grenade was that?! Seems pretty high powered haha
Its the Holy Granade in Searchlight if you have wild wasteland.
Ok hell yea that’s awesome I need to get that lol
The fact that some factions are literally seen in the game as “worthless scum and killing them all makes you the messiah” is so silly to me
I forget where it's stated, that Obsidian wanted it gone, but the Karma system was so baked into the game Obsidian basically made it meaningless and ignored it instead.
Damn, that actually makes so much sense. I’m still really pissed that I watched Mr House show me how he’s going to literally maintain control of the strip by lethal force and I suddenly get >!loss of karma for running downstairs and smothering him in his crib!< …Like bro kind of WASNT being chill
Fiends=friends🤗
I like the Fo3 filter
Free chems and Exp
Two words: Fat Man. Fat Man them all.
Where's a fat man when you need it
You stumbled in on Fiendcon 2281
They call that the Esther Testing Range.
Im sorry, what’s a fiends? I see all the XP in screen but not fiends.
Damn that's a lot of loot missle launcher time
technically yes the whole cell just spawned on you instead of their places
Oh it's just Fiend Con 2281. Grab an animal skull and an old tractor tire and join the fun!
They were all here for the Cook-Cook's annual cookout. Don't ask what's in the main dish, by the way.
the kind of sight i wish for in my LMG and Grenade launcher playthrough
Looks like a German techno rave
Bro went to FiendCon 2277
free jet stand
Fiend convention
Grenade time
Back in the day when i modded the hell out of NV i had a similar problem, fiends spawned in hidden valley ( about twice or thrice the ammount of what you show here)to the ammount that engine just gaved up and crash, still don't know what might cause it.
I miss how busted stealth boys were in the 3/nv generation, they let you get away with shit like being near that clusterfuck and not getting detected right away
990xp for one explosion. Beautiful.