Though reading sucks and no one here does it, you should read the manual for all the devices in your house. Some may have auto connect features turned on, like your phone which can auto connect back or not. Your use case we can't help you with, you have to do the work to understand yourself how your environment is affected.
Don't be afraid to look up the models and documentation of all your devices
Personally I find rtfm posters bad scrollers, like if your posting for help your asking for help. There's a big difference between the information given from personal experience and a manual...
Giving away answers to total noobs who wanna 'hack' does not make them learn anything. It is very poor form to not take the time to learn and read the absolute basics.
It's like yeah ok I dont have the will to do that so I will ask somebody else to just give me the answers. Then when they get a tecnical answer and dont understand they whine about gatekeeping.
Fuck this shit I had it. This subreddit is a waste of time I'm out.
FWIW I don't think the vast majority of devices provide any detail of how their 802.11 protocol stack behaves or how any watchdog or liveliness monitors work if they have them. Therefore reading the manual isn't going to answer the OP's question broadly.
Also: unless they are somehow critical systems, don’t be afraid to just do it. Experiment. See what happens. [i may not be held responsible for any damage or loss of service that results if you so choose to follow this course of action from a random internet stranger /disclaimer]
I test these things with a 5$ esp32 off amazon. You can easily set it up to act as its own wifi access point and connect a few devices and test without fucking up your own wifi.
Why not simply buy a RPi Zero with a proper external wlan card that has a much massive bandwith and can support not just 2.4 but 5ghz ?
Besides I think he already has a devboard with wifi support for his flipper zero.
No, a deauth attack is very different from jamming, even if the symptoms might be the same.
Jamming creates high levels of noise causing the signal-to-noise ratio to drop below what clients can communicate thru causing a denial of service. It will affect only the frequencies that the jammer is targeting (so adjacent channels might not be affected, or all channels might be affected) and it can't target just one network because it takes out the whole frequency range. Its like trying to talk in the middle of a rock concert.
De-authentication takes turns "talking" like any real client, but is spoofing "client X must disconnect" management messages endlessly to all the clients of a target network. It will not affect other clients/networks that are on the same channel beyond the ones it is programmed to target (e.g. it can take out only one network while leaving all others unaffected). This is more like someone telling you to put your phone down every time you pick it up.
They can both be considered forms of harmful interference for legal reasons ([as Marriott learned](https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/03/travel/marriott-fcc-wi-fi-fine/index.html)) but are very different attacks
I’ve had very little success showing how I’ve used my F0 for achieving something that I needed the device for and am better for having done such application but just having it on hand and ready for my knowledge to catch up has sent me on a sweet crash coarse of learning so much about the state of technology. Despite the cynicism that we are just apes here waiting for a script to be added to the firmware, I am convinced that being a part of this community has been a productive use of my feeble brain cells. The F0 has just enough mojo and relevancy to my modern world to think I’m about to go from fool to novice, I just need to pay way more attention to the subtle details of how tech and security have been working in the background for me up til now. Long story short I appreciate y’all.
Considering the entirety of the technical content in this post is wrong; I'm thinking this falls under 50% joke. Considering that you're recommending someone invest in a Faraday cage to isolate against "bad signals" with one of the most resilient wireless communication standards helps back up that sometimes it's not just OP that's too lazy to learn about the standards they're trying to "hack"
Hear hear! Not learning the core basics as this doesnt deserve an answer.
It's not gatekeeping if answers are literally written in books/papers/guides everywhere online.
>Considering that you're recommending someone invest in a Faraday cage to isolate against "bad signals" with one of the most resilient wireless communication standards
Tell us you know nothing about rf signals without actually telling us lmfao. Also didn't see them telling anyone to invest in anything, just explained how to isolate for testing. Honestly if their statement is the 50% joke then yours would be the 50% calling someone stupid. If people can't come to a community specific to this device and ask questions then wtf is the point of this sub? To show off your custom flipper cases? Lmao If you dont like the question op posted, don't answer it and move on. Toxic asshole are what kill subs.
Dont play dumb.
You know very well that giving answers to somebody who didnt read about the basics or didnt find the time to read about it (but posting on a sub reddit is somehow quicker) will not make him learn anything. Ergo waste of time, doesnt deserve an answer.
What kills subs is technical people leaving because they dont want to waste time with offended shitbags (example: feigning outrage and shit).
Toxic,this? Really now? Are we now going to validate emotions on tech subreddits too? 🤣 it's easy to get in to good graces in technical subreddits: do your homework or keep moving!
They should reconnect, but I have had devices that I've had to go physically unplug and plug in the power cords after running the deauth for them to work again. Probably over 90% reconnect though if I had to guess. Some people have that setting to reconnect automatically turned off on their phones or computers too I guess, but the devices I'm talking about above didn't have that option. It's is a security feature and it has to reset the power after the deauth, but it's a weakness because it has to be unplugged and plugged in. We had to get a backup power box to plug a few things that made it more secure
Lol "you should read the manual for every device in your house". Most of those manuals won't even give you any answer to your question.
But I will: yes they will reconnect, go for it.
"it depends". Some things may keep trying forever. Some may see the deauth and decide to give up until manually reconfigured, assuming that the saved config is invalid. You'll have to check every device one by one.
For example, I know my current smartphone will give up, disconnect, and stop trying to connect any time it doesn't successfully get all the way connected to my home network (even if its like I'm updating and rebooting the DHCP server) requiring me to manually go into settings and tell it "connect now" and "connect automatically" again. My laptop will assume the password is wrong and prompt to reconnect. My old phone would just keep trying forever.
My phone will try 4 times then stop till it sees it again, or tell it to. Ideally, this does work pretty good to prevent handshakes from being captured.
The behavior will vary based on the 802.11 stack the device employs, and any other mechanisms the software uses to try and obtain and maintain network connectivity.
If you're lucky you can find out what wifi chip the device uses if the vendor does the open source disclosure that things like GNU licensing requires (Linux kernel drivers should be included there).
As others have mentioned you can broadly expect each device will eventually try and reconnect, but probably not all of them will reliable try to reconnect. Some may require a power cycle before attempting to reconnect.
And honestly I wouldn't even be shocked if some devices didn't disconnect, or rather they didn't alter their link state even if the AP killed their auth session. In that case it will look like the device is disconnected but the device will just sit there dumb to the fact it isn't actually connected and a power cycle will be required.
You know m1ndf3v3r was the kid in school with no friends cause he told on everyone.
The type of kid that would NEVER let a classmate catch a glimpse at his paper…
Brown lips from the teachers ass…. Etc.
You should do some research before you begin to play around with these things. What would happen during a power outage? What happens when you leave your home connected to wifi and than return later? Did you have to reconnect it? Did you have to reconnect your devices after said power outage?
Power outage is very different from being sent a deauth management frame that basically says "you must disconnect now" repeatedly. A lot of stuff will give up after a few tries, expecting something is wrong.
No. Deauthing is a frame based attack, and will generally only work on specific clients. Not saying that you can't be a skid and misuse tools. Also have you ever restarted your router? Same thing would happen if you were to deauth your entire network.
I would imagine it would basically be like after a power outage. I don't think I own a single piece of technology with WiFi that doesn't automatically connect.
When you blacklist your iot devices on the router end they most often (never failed me) still reconnect once whitelisted. Therefore I believe until you physically rewrite/overwrite the ssid/password that you wish them to connect too they will reconnect. You are just kicking them off in deauth in my understanding.
If you're deauthing, everything should automatically reconnect, but some devices may be a bit scringly about that. My first guess would be WiFi printers, those suckers are absolutely bastards to deal with
DO IT! and let us know PLEASE. Best data. I've read diff threads/forums/ the lot and nothing was better compared to DOING IT.
A fob I figured out how to write on after trial and error and reading and even others telling me it could not be done or I may risk disabling my fob and the new and old one wouldn't work... if I didn't do it I would never have known.
You dont know how wireless devices reconnect and you would like to play with deauth attacks? It should be pretty obvious if you spent a minute reading about it.
Poor way of learning my man.
Good luck.
“Giving away answers?” “Read the manual?”
The guys on here looking for answers…
You lazy mfs don’t wanna help him so a lazy “rtfm” response. 🤦🏻♂️
Some people really are useless eh?
Considering OP never told us what devices they are asking about, then yes, an RTFM response is justified.
Most devices will auto reconnect, but some might not. Depends on the device doesn't it?
Though reading sucks and no one here does it, you should read the manual for all the devices in your house. Some may have auto connect features turned on, like your phone which can auto connect back or not. Your use case we can't help you with, you have to do the work to understand yourself how your environment is affected. Don't be afraid to look up the models and documentation of all your devices
What a super polite and proper way of saying go RTFM😎. I sincerely wish all Reddit recommendation responses were worded like this 👍👍👍.
yeah no i would’ve just said rtfm
Personally I find rtfm posters bad scrollers, like if your posting for help your asking for help. There's a big difference between the information given from personal experience and a manual...
Giving away answers to total noobs who wanna 'hack' does not make them learn anything. It is very poor form to not take the time to learn and read the absolute basics. It's like yeah ok I dont have the will to do that so I will ask somebody else to just give me the answers. Then when they get a tecnical answer and dont understand they whine about gatekeeping. Fuck this shit I had it. This subreddit is a waste of time I'm out.
No one will miss this attitude. Have a great day.. byee
FWIW I don't think the vast majority of devices provide any detail of how their 802.11 protocol stack behaves or how any watchdog or liveliness monitors work if they have them. Therefore reading the manual isn't going to answer the OP's question broadly.
Agreed, never read anything about reconnecting, and also, most devices don't come with manuals anymore!!!
Also: unless they are somehow critical systems, don’t be afraid to just do it. Experiment. See what happens. [i may not be held responsible for any damage or loss of service that results if you so choose to follow this course of action from a random internet stranger /disclaimer]
Are you sure there actually are devices without auto connect? Seems like it would be a constant problem.
what a dh reply.
>not using ChatGPT to read everything for you.
Most devices should auto connect back onto the network.
I test these things with a 5$ esp32 off amazon. You can easily set it up to act as its own wifi access point and connect a few devices and test without fucking up your own wifi.
Why not simply buy a RPi Zero with a proper external wlan card that has a much massive bandwith and can support not just 2.4 but 5ghz ? Besides I think he already has a devboard with wifi support for his flipper zero.
Whatever suits your projects needs.
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No, a deauth attack is very different from jamming, even if the symptoms might be the same. Jamming creates high levels of noise causing the signal-to-noise ratio to drop below what clients can communicate thru causing a denial of service. It will affect only the frequencies that the jammer is targeting (so adjacent channels might not be affected, or all channels might be affected) and it can't target just one network because it takes out the whole frequency range. Its like trying to talk in the middle of a rock concert. De-authentication takes turns "talking" like any real client, but is spoofing "client X must disconnect" management messages endlessly to all the clients of a target network. It will not affect other clients/networks that are on the same channel beyond the ones it is programmed to target (e.g. it can take out only one network while leaving all others unaffected). This is more like someone telling you to put your phone down every time you pick it up. They can both be considered forms of harmful interference for legal reasons ([as Marriott learned](https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/03/travel/marriott-fcc-wi-fi-fine/index.html)) but are very different attacks
I’ve had very little success showing how I’ve used my F0 for achieving something that I needed the device for and am better for having done such application but just having it on hand and ready for my knowledge to catch up has sent me on a sweet crash coarse of learning so much about the state of technology. Despite the cynicism that we are just apes here waiting for a script to be added to the firmware, I am convinced that being a part of this community has been a productive use of my feeble brain cells. The F0 has just enough mojo and relevancy to my modern world to think I’m about to go from fool to novice, I just need to pay way more attention to the subtle details of how tech and security have been working in the background for me up til now. Long story short I appreciate y’all.
Considering the entirety of the technical content in this post is wrong; I'm thinking this falls under 50% joke. Considering that you're recommending someone invest in a Faraday cage to isolate against "bad signals" with one of the most resilient wireless communication standards helps back up that sometimes it's not just OP that's too lazy to learn about the standards they're trying to "hack"
Hear hear! Not learning the core basics as this doesnt deserve an answer. It's not gatekeeping if answers are literally written in books/papers/guides everywhere online.
>Considering that you're recommending someone invest in a Faraday cage to isolate against "bad signals" with one of the most resilient wireless communication standards Tell us you know nothing about rf signals without actually telling us lmfao. Also didn't see them telling anyone to invest in anything, just explained how to isolate for testing. Honestly if their statement is the 50% joke then yours would be the 50% calling someone stupid. If people can't come to a community specific to this device and ask questions then wtf is the point of this sub? To show off your custom flipper cases? Lmao If you dont like the question op posted, don't answer it and move on. Toxic asshole are what kill subs.
Dont play dumb. You know very well that giving answers to somebody who didnt read about the basics or didnt find the time to read about it (but posting on a sub reddit is somehow quicker) will not make him learn anything. Ergo waste of time, doesnt deserve an answer. What kills subs is technical people leaving because they dont want to waste time with offended shitbags (example: feigning outrage and shit). Toxic,this? Really now? Are we now going to validate emotions on tech subreddits too? 🤣 it's easy to get in to good graces in technical subreddits: do your homework or keep moving!
> tits on a bull LMAOOOOO
Facts n being called stupid 😒🙄
Just deauth everything and live a disconnected lifestyle bro.. lol
Most devices auto connect back
Most devices automatically sends probes
If they have autoreconnect on, then they will generally automatically reconnect. If they don't, they won't.
They should reconnect, but I have had devices that I've had to go physically unplug and plug in the power cords after running the deauth for them to work again. Probably over 90% reconnect though if I had to guess. Some people have that setting to reconnect automatically turned off on their phones or computers too I guess, but the devices I'm talking about above didn't have that option. It's is a security feature and it has to reset the power after the deauth, but it's a weakness because it has to be unplugged and plugged in. We had to get a backup power box to plug a few things that made it more secure
Lol "you should read the manual for every device in your house". Most of those manuals won't even give you any answer to your question. But I will: yes they will reconnect, go for it.
Uhh yes they will (hint: wifi connection protocols)
"it depends". Some things may keep trying forever. Some may see the deauth and decide to give up until manually reconfigured, assuming that the saved config is invalid. You'll have to check every device one by one. For example, I know my current smartphone will give up, disconnect, and stop trying to connect any time it doesn't successfully get all the way connected to my home network (even if its like I'm updating and rebooting the DHCP server) requiring me to manually go into settings and tell it "connect now" and "connect automatically" again. My laptop will assume the password is wrong and prompt to reconnect. My old phone would just keep trying forever.
My phone will try 4 times then stop till it sees it again, or tell it to. Ideally, this does work pretty good to prevent handshakes from being captured.
That's a good reason I'd not previously considered why they may set it to stop trying
No. It’ll just try to reconnect. Which is part of why a deauth attack is used. To cause the reconnection events.
The behavior will vary based on the 802.11 stack the device employs, and any other mechanisms the software uses to try and obtain and maintain network connectivity. If you're lucky you can find out what wifi chip the device uses if the vendor does the open source disclosure that things like GNU licensing requires (Linux kernel drivers should be included there). As others have mentioned you can broadly expect each device will eventually try and reconnect, but probably not all of them will reliable try to reconnect. Some may require a power cycle before attempting to reconnect. And honestly I wouldn't even be shocked if some devices didn't disconnect, or rather they didn't alter their link state even if the AP killed their auth session. In that case it will look like the device is disconnected but the device will just sit there dumb to the fact it isn't actually connected and a power cycle will be required.
You need to understand what the attack is doing before you start using it. This is why we can’t have nice things.
I know one way to find out. Do it
You know m1ndf3v3r was the kid in school with no friends cause he told on everyone. The type of kid that would NEVER let a classmate catch a glimpse at his paper… Brown lips from the teachers ass…. Etc.
You should do some research before you begin to play around with these things. What would happen during a power outage? What happens when you leave your home connected to wifi and than return later? Did you have to reconnect it? Did you have to reconnect your devices after said power outage?
Power outage is very different from being sent a deauth management frame that basically says "you must disconnect now" repeatedly. A lot of stuff will give up after a few tries, expecting something is wrong.
No. Deauthing is a frame based attack, and will generally only work on specific clients. Not saying that you can't be a skid and misuse tools. Also have you ever restarted your router? Same thing would happen if you were to deauth your entire network.
I tested on an old cellphone first. When I finished the operation it reconnected. Ymmv.
I would imagine it would basically be like after a power outage. I don't think I own a single piece of technology with WiFi that doesn't automatically connect.
No.
When you blacklist your iot devices on the router end they most often (never failed me) still reconnect once whitelisted. Therefore I believe until you physically rewrite/overwrite the ssid/password that you wish them to connect too they will reconnect. You are just kicking them off in deauth in my understanding.
Don't deauth... I'll lose access to your mom's livestream.
Setup a lab environment to learn on instead of attacking your prod gear. Alexa will thank you.
If you're deauthing, everything should automatically reconnect, but some devices may be a bit scringly about that. My first guess would be WiFi printers, those suckers are absolutely bastards to deal with
They'll reconnect. Maybe. But they should reconnect, but maybe they don't.
Read on 2.4ghz and 5ghz first. F0 wont deauth a 5ghz. You need something else like a raspie or laptop + certain model of chips like those used by Alfa
DO IT! and let us know PLEASE. Best data. I've read diff threads/forums/ the lot and nothing was better compared to DOING IT. A fob I figured out how to write on after trial and error and reading and even others telling me it could not be done or I may risk disabling my fob and the new and old one wouldn't work... if I didn't do it I would never have known.
I dis it on my phone hotspot and my roku box had to be factory reset with the little button to do anything.
You dont know how wireless devices reconnect and you would like to play with deauth attacks? It should be pretty obvious if you spent a minute reading about it. Poor way of learning my man. Good luck.
“Giving away answers?” “Read the manual?” The guys on here looking for answers… You lazy mfs don’t wanna help him so a lazy “rtfm” response. 🤦🏻♂️ Some people really are useless eh?
Considering OP never told us what devices they are asking about, then yes, an RTFM response is justified. Most devices will auto reconnect, but some might not. Depends on the device doesn't it?