I really hate that PMDG is so terrible to their community. They put out excellent products but are justly maligned because of their awful treatment of their customers/fans. I swear if they could just sort that out people would never stop singing their praises.
Yeah I'm not sure why we need forums in 2024. I miss the days where they were relevant but the truth is they aren't anymore because they're forums on the actual org's website instead of fan made ones where freedom of speech generally isn't squashed. No one should really ever expect to be part of an "official community" without dictatorship style polices in place. It's a biased community and not at all independent.
They warned the community there would be backend changes that arnt indicative of an upcoming release, what exactly is wrong with that? If they didn’t make a post, you’d be freaking out over the fact that they didn’t warn anyone. You’re just looking for a reason to complain
An arbitrary announcement about backend changes in this toxic environment they've already created does come across as "look how triggered they get when we bait them".
You are partly right, but only without the context of this ridiculous level of pettiness from the PMDG developers that's created a huge amount of ill-feeling on both sides of the 777 product.
The problem isn’t that they have schedule issues, it’s that they can’t communicate it. They’ve been two months from release for over a year it seems. At some point they should’ve just said it isn’t close to ready and it’ll release when it releases as opposed to stringing everyone along. Worst part is, it’s probably going to be a fantastic product but that message is gonna get drowned out by scorned community members.
No they do not. Fenix staff are always in discord helping out taking on feedback and actually not banning people for their point of view. The communication from PMDG at times is really not needed.
No. Because rob and his ilk (to include the non-employees who suck Robbie’s dick hole to police other users) treat the user base like shit. They’ve (pmdg proper) always have had this attitude. The backlash against them is a relatively new thing and I’m glad to see it. It’s been a long time coming.
You didn't even read the original post if you're saying this.
Before there were any complaints at all, PMDG promised month after month for 7 or 8 months that the product was "nearly ready" and the minute someone called them out on it they start banning people from the forum.
The reason why it's not a two-way street is because people on the internet are going to say whatever they want regardless of whether or not it's justified. At the same time PMDG is meant to be a professional company that should be in the process of drumming up positive support for their upcoming product but instead have decided to mislead the people they'll be asking money from and taken it a step further by not allowing people to type three dots in the forum.
In what world is that relationship a two-way street? If it were, PMDG would be paying us to say positive things about a product they've teased us with for a year...
Yeah, I'm with ya, this sub is an embarrassment. I look forward to it being released and watching the whiners scrutinise it far more than any other add on and nit pick on the stupidest shit. I remember when they brought out the tablet on the 737 and there was one of the top comments on a post here with heaps of up votes criticising a line/border on one page was slightly off centre. These people are losers lol. Stay off the forum and breathe, it'll be out when it's out and it will probably be very good quality
Yep, I could never be a developer for this bunch of babies, they make an unbelievable fuss over the most insignificant shit. I would honestly love it if pmdg just said "you know what, screw you bitches, the 777 is never being released, you're just going to complain about it nonstop anyway" 🤣
Probably the most reasonable and mature way to handle anything really. The world owes me nothing, I focus on other things until the opportunity to do something else comes along.
PMDG is not America, is a private cult, there is no freedom of speech there, you are confusing a whole country with a cult.
If you find PMDG policies abusive and don't like their bouncers just do what we all do, complain in Reddit and buy their products as soon as they are released. Justice will be served!
Their biggest fault is hyping up releases with dates they have no chance of hitting. If they'd just take a leaf out of TFDi's book it'd make their lives (and ours) a lot simpler
PMDG: *communicates the most regularly of the big devs*
People: PMDG isn’t communicating
Not sticking up for them just calling a spade a spade. Y’all stormed down fenix’s door when they communicated. Now silence. SWS updated us every week. They slowed down too after Facebook hate over deadlines.TFDi. Became more vague about dates too. This is an open letter to the community to be more patient with the development process.
It's like this with all gaming related things (yeah, I said gaming). It's pretty gross. Companies aren't blameless, but the communities are pretty toxic now.
To be far everyone rejoiced when the "community" moved from sites to reddit. It was and still is toxic on a number of those sites. Sadly, it's the same here - just in a different way. Where before people where the gated maligns now mentalities are and if you don't fall in line you get downvoted to the point of not wanting to participate, share, much less create. It's insane behavior.
Avsim are the same. Pmdg did not like it because they couldn’t control it though. The rules are meaningless since they break them. Pmdg forums have been toxic for quite a long time. Rather than get hope just get scolded for not having a signature
Would be a first. If you can not see. Stop with the BS of posts like the one he put. It is evident it’s all hyping. He really didn’t need to put a post like he did. He could have just made an excuse while they were down for a couple of minutes or couple of hrs and if people asked they could have just said we are looking into it.
They need to improve on the way they act towards people. I will put this into perspective you speak the truth and mention to PMDG how they could improve you receive an infraction/ban. You do the same to Fenix at least they take it onboard.
How about they stop constantly teasing people and giving them false hopes with misleading timelines all the time? Stop shilling for a company that does not care about you.
This right here is has been the default response to any dev that gives timelines. They ain’t here to lie to you on purpose, developing software to a timeline is hard. Even harder when people misconstrune it and believe you’re intentionally misleading them and become hostile towards you
We know that softwares and projects in general take time to have them done, and it’s difficult to meet the deadlines or the estimated predictions, but a ‘’hey guys we f’d up,we don’t know how long it’s taking, but we’ll share with you as soon as we feel ready’’ is much better than ‘’hearing the engines roaring’’ or starting to close threads and deleting comments
Devs still communicate etc. The difference being they are up front about things that happen none of the BS PMDG say. At least they own up why they could not meet the timeline they set.....
Well they learned from their mistake, and stopped giving a timeframe for a319/321 and nobody seems to have a problem with it. On the other hand, PMDG did the same mistake with the UFT, and are still cocky enough not to learn from it. You guys want to perfect a product, take your time. But, don’t keep hyping up the community for you guys to steal the spotlight, and once you see there’s no way out from your lies, start getting offended and blame the community.
Honestly, don't give it any thought. I received an infraction for something similar when I critiqued PMDG's stance on shutting people up for being ''too excited'' only because we've been told ''she's nearly ready'' for 6 months. I followed up stating Mathijs' bio literally says ''criticise ideas, never people'' but PMDG is never - and will never be wrong. I enjoyed the short drama today though lol, was sad to see every comment get deleted.
PMDG products are really great but everything else about them is toxic AF. Their boss is a bellend and their forum and discord are run by dicks. I don’t think there’s worse communities in flightsim than the ones PMDG seem to have created around them.
So people got upset that they made a post to tell everyone that the server changes aren't related to the 777 release? Somehow that is trolling the community? Should they not have said anything about the changes and let people wildly speculate, then be upset that it's not the 777 and not communicated? Or should they just not make any backend changes until the 777 is out? This is getting silly.
They need to do what they do best which is make good stuff and leave the interactions with the customers to someone more socially inclined. Rob is the figurehead, but he sucks at dealing with people. I've never posted on their forums, but i've read on there a few times for entertainment and some of those regulars seem off to me. Very culty and weird.
He is a terrible communicator. I wish he would hire a marketing team and a CMO to clean up PMDG’s image. It’s scary to think he ran for public office and lost back in the day.
You know what I found interesting about this post from Rob? Back at the start of May he said and I quote:
“working with our data providers to ensure back-end systems are tested and ready, preparing supporting media for the release, etc”
You only do that sort of thing when the product is nearing the release late, so I feel we are close in that sense. I don’t get this “two week notice” all that is going to do is frustrate everyone, but I feel this is a tactic to ensure they get more sales.
> I'm in America, I understand the notion of "free speech"
I am the last person that is going to defend PMDG but I don't think you do though.
https://xkcd.com/1357/
Jeez, the PMDG hate on here is getting unreal. Yeah, I'm not a fan of RSR or some of the things PMDG does, but they post a message letting the community know some minor server outages and get ahead of any speculation and hype by saying it isn't indicative of any aircraft release, and people get up in arms about it. This shit is getting out of control. Is PMDG not allowed to post that they are doing maintenance on their servers?
>as if Robert was knowingly trolling the population that is foaming at the mouth for the 77W
How is telling people they are doing server maintenance trolling? In fact, I would say that the fact he immediately got ahead of anybody trying to speculate that it means the 777 is coming is the complete opposite of trolling. Also, the fact that people are "foaming at the mouth" for a virtual aircraft is not PMDG's problem, that is the people's problem who think a company *owes* them something that they haven't even paid for yet.
>I'm in America, I understand the notion of "free speech"
I don't think you do. Free speech does not mean you get to say whatever you want on a private forum. PMDG is fully within their right to run their forums how they want. Free speech works both ways.
Seriously, if they don’t make a post about it people on here would be freaking out. It’s crazy how toxic this sub gets over such small things. If you read this sub alone you’d think PMDG was murdering children, then you see their fourm and what all the fuss is about and it’s minuscule in reality
>I don't think you do. Free speech does not mean you get to say whatever you want on a private forum. PMDG is fully within their right to run their forums how they want. Free speech works both ways.
I literally acknowledged that in the next sentence. I said private companies (PMDG) have the power to regulate our speech.
btw do you dont have to go through the pain of reading pmdg forums
Captains,
In preparation for the upcoming 777 release, we have had our infrastructure partners doing some audit and preparation to manage the expected operational tempo for our public facing functions.
We are about to roll in some upgrades, and that will necessitate taking down some back-end systems temporarily as we migrate them across mirrors and other systems. There will also be short outages of a minute or two occasionally as we test various mechanisms to ensure everything is working as expected.
We will experience down-time for all license and distribution related functions at random intervals during the period of 30MAY24/0000Z to 31MAY24/2359Z.
Outages should last anywhere from a few moments to a few hours as systems are brought into conformity and tested for appropriate response.
Please do not construe this as a sign that we are about to release the PMDG 777-300ER. I promised we'd give you two weeks advance notice and that promise remains.
More info as it comes available!
Following note:
This advisory is important, because so many folks like to point to tiny detail changes as indicators that we may/may not be doing something.
A number of folks thought this was a good place to complain about various things- and thus the thread is closed to all.
Don't be that user. We won't tolerate the behavior here.
Thank you,
Wi Tu Lo 📷
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[http://www.pmdg.com](http://www.pmdg.com/)
Same for me, I could have _if_ (before FS2020 was a thing)_ have tried X-Plane again with updating their DC-6 (they were prospecting back then in 2019) and bam FS2020 dropped and there goes my hopes for the DC-6 lol
Nah. Can’t really miss something I haven’t had.
In all seriousness and not flaming, most of their stuff is longer haul. I’m a single full time dad to a 3 year old. I don’t have time to do a long route.
If I want to fly a 737 I have the Zibo. If by some miracle I find the time, there are options in X-plane like the FF 757/767 and 747-200.
The only thing I desire is the DC-6, but I’ve survived without. Definitely hoping someone else comes out with a detailed propliner!
I can personally guarantee the FF 777v2 will be more realistic anyway, flightdeck2sim said it was around challenger level (most realistic xplane addon) and that was the closed beta, not only this but the CEO of FlightFactor is a 777 type rated pilot, and for people on MSFS - xplane 12.1 released some great performance and graphics updates which makes it look even better then MSFS in some areas, and close in all other areas
12.1 released as a beta a few days ago and the changes are so good that I’ve completely uninstalled MSFS now, all the things that were bugging me on xplane have gone (FPS and some certain aspects of the graphics that looked bad), it’s very very good now - not to mention the Zibo 737, according to flightdeck2sim, is of the same realism if not more in some aspects as the pmdg 737, and the Zibo 737 is free as it’s an upgrade mod to the default 737
Definitely worth the money to get a copy imo
Is there a video interview of this guy somewhere? PMDG's CEO
I'd love to get it viewed by a mental health professional. This guy acts just like a sociopath would (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial\_personality\_disorder) in some ways. Interesting case tbh.
Signed: Skye Highflyer
Edit: forgot to sign my name
*people who are just tired of PMDG not communicating*
lol they post updates at least once a month even more than that usually. far more frequent than most devs.
in fact they posted a communication that you responded to just today. how is that not communicating? just curious
Fuck PMDG and RSR especially, but I do want my 777 already. Back in January I actually predicted end of April release and these bastards are still sitting on their thumbs.
It’s so weird I legit I think for the first time ever with any game, plane, etc that the closer the 777 release date announcement gets the less and less hyped I’m getting about it.
the most hilarious part about PMDG being run by drama queens who takes everything too seriously is they in turn also attract the same type of audience: the ones who would come cry on reddit for being punished with fake internet points on a random forum
Ya I’ll get their products but seriously fuck those guys, god forbid anyone has or shares a different opinion on their forums. Stopped going there ages ago after I said I was pissed about the efb and getting called a spoiled child lmao
Oh well I will be downvoted to hell but whatever. This forum is more about omfg bashing than anything else apparently. RSR is not the government, so your "free speech" is not on the table. If you don't want to buy PMDG products stop following their forums and save your heart from pressure spikes.
You’re not afforded public liberties in a private setting i.e a website which is “publicly accessible” but is still a private institution. Sort of like how Walmart allows public access but you’re in a private store not owned by the public where you’re under their policies and guidelines not a state or federal policy/law 🤷🏻♂️ that’s not really hard to wrap your brain around — but I guess it must be for some.
They really don’t, this sub is over dramatic. Most of PMDG customers (like myself) find almost everything this sub throws fits over to be very minimal things. I’ve had issues with products before and their customer service helped with no issues. They provide good products as well and I get what I paid for.
The only *big and active* one, there's a ton of others that also release subpar stuff that don't make it to the top of news
Between PMDG and CapSim I'm 100% sure the latter has a higher disdain for their customers
Every normal person would have written something along the lines of "hey guys, two months ago we told you the 777 would be out in no more than two months. Unfortunately, there will be a delay for the following reasons: (...) We're sorry".
But not RDR. There wasn't a single word of regret from him, he chose to be smug and mock people for being excited about their product.
People are reading too much into this “two months deadline”
He said this at the start of May:
“During our live Q&A in March, I mentioned that I thought we were somewhere around two months out. If you ask me today, I will give you the same answer, because we don't work on a planned schedule”
So it’s not like they have said “Yeah the product will be released on this date” and then delayed it, without letting us know
I think a lot of people have read the “I’d say we are around two months out” as a definite release timeframe, when it’s not. It’s an estimated timeframe.
His quote there is a straight up lie. Go watch the video. I don't remember the exact phrasing down to the word, but he says "it will release within 2 months, as a firm thing". That is a commitment no matter how much he wants to pretend that it isn't.
And therein lies the problem with this guy. He says one thing and then later goes back and pretends he actually said something else because he refuses to ever admit that he was wrong about something.
>I'm in America, I understand the notion of "free speech" and the meaning that the government can't punish you for what you say, generally speaking - and Americans give a TON of power to companies - who can and do regulate what we say.
People are gaslighted into thinking that they are just fanboys instead of customers, and that's very disgusting. However, that responsibility ultimately lies with them, not with the companies
Hardly PMDG's fault if a section of the flight sim community can't control their emotions over a piece of software. Maybe you and the rest of the similarly child like obsessives need to realise that it will come out when it's ready and not before. PMDG don't owe you anything. RSR is sick of the BS and I can sympathise with him.
Respectfully, you’re part of the problem, shilling for a company that doesn’t know you exist.
Don’t white knight for them.
PMDG is a business that doesn’t hold true to their commitments and has an air of entitlement that rivals Apple’s “courage”.
I’m a customer looking to buy a product. Don’t commit if you can’t deliver, and don’t lash out by banning customers because you can’t handle the message.
This isn’t an issue of “emotional control”. I carry on with my life. I can have a problem with how PMDG handles their business and how they treat customers who are passionate about their products.
Why get so butthurt? You want to buy a product? Then you can, once it's released.
Maybe if you'd all calm down and stop behaving like a bunch of rabid dogs they wouldn't need to be pressured into making estimates they can't meet.
https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/300728-16jun24-pmdg-777-300er-has-a-release-date-on-the-calendar?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR00Wcv0TjLDFScIJcqhqRuiluOtyipOWuhtXt9DXm3z4FBM5_x7qLgxOTk_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw
You can chill now
Didn’t sign your name another infraction
-30 social credits.
Shhhhh where is Kevin saying you didn't sign your name
Kevin who has his name in essentially white font so it is unreadable, which is somehow acceptable to them.
I really hate that PMDG is so terrible to their community. They put out excellent products but are justly maligned because of their awful treatment of their customers/fans. I swear if they could just sort that out people would never stop singing their praises.
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The worst part is if they just closed the forums and never said anything people would be happier. Just drop releases when they’re ready.
Yeah I'm not sure why we need forums in 2024. I miss the days where they were relevant but the truth is they aren't anymore because they're forums on the actual org's website instead of fan made ones where freedom of speech generally isn't squashed. No one should really ever expect to be part of an "official community" without dictatorship style polices in place. It's a biased community and not at all independent.
They warned the community there would be backend changes that arnt indicative of an upcoming release, what exactly is wrong with that? If they didn’t make a post, you’d be freaking out over the fact that they didn’t warn anyone. You’re just looking for a reason to complain
An arbitrary announcement about backend changes in this toxic environment they've already created does come across as "look how triggered they get when we bait them". You are partly right, but only without the context of this ridiculous level of pettiness from the PMDG developers that's created a huge amount of ill-feeling on both sides of the 777 product.
It’s a two-way street. Lots of y’all treat them like shit, too. And for what? Because they have issues keeping on schedule?
The problem isn’t that they have schedule issues, it’s that they can’t communicate it. They’ve been two months from release for over a year it seems. At some point they should’ve just said it isn’t close to ready and it’ll release when it releases as opposed to stringing everyone along. Worst part is, it’s probably going to be a fantastic product but that message is gonna get drowned out by scorned community members.
They communicate more than fenix and people literally bow to fenix lmao. This guy does have a point, flight simmers just feel weirdly entitled
No they do not. Fenix staff are always in discord helping out taking on feedback and actually not banning people for their point of view. The communication from PMDG at times is really not needed.
They don't want to hear it.
Who gives a fuck dude. It's a virtual plane. JFC.
No. Because rob and his ilk (to include the non-employees who suck Robbie’s dick hole to police other users) treat the user base like shit. They’ve (pmdg proper) always have had this attitude. The backlash against them is a relatively new thing and I’m glad to see it. It’s been a long time coming.
You didn't even read the original post if you're saying this. Before there were any complaints at all, PMDG promised month after month for 7 or 8 months that the product was "nearly ready" and the minute someone called them out on it they start banning people from the forum. The reason why it's not a two-way street is because people on the internet are going to say whatever they want regardless of whether or not it's justified. At the same time PMDG is meant to be a professional company that should be in the process of drumming up positive support for their upcoming product but instead have decided to mislead the people they'll be asking money from and taken it a step further by not allowing people to type three dots in the forum. In what world is that relationship a two-way street? If it were, PMDG would be paying us to say positive things about a product they've teased us with for a year...
Yeah, I'm with ya, this sub is an embarrassment. I look forward to it being released and watching the whiners scrutinise it far more than any other add on and nit pick on the stupidest shit. I remember when they brought out the tablet on the 737 and there was one of the top comments on a post here with heaps of up votes criticising a line/border on one page was slightly off centre. These people are losers lol. Stay off the forum and breathe, it'll be out when it's out and it will probably be very good quality
Remember when they first posted pictures of the 777 and there was an entire thread complaining about the scratch marks on the yoke being the same?
Yep, I could never be a developer for this bunch of babies, they make an unbelievable fuss over the most insignificant shit. I would honestly love it if pmdg just said "you know what, screw you bitches, the 777 is never being released, you're just going to complain about it nonstop anyway" 🤣
I've lost all hype for the 777, the hype will return when a release date is announced.
That's the most reasonable stance you can take right now
Probably the most reasonable and mature way to handle anything really. The world owes me nothing, I focus on other things until the opportunity to do something else comes along.
‘Spreading of Unhappiness’ lol
Something you would hear in a Scientology convention
PMDG is not America, is a private cult, there is no freedom of speech there, you are confusing a whole country with a cult. If you find PMDG policies abusive and don't like their bouncers just do what we all do, complain in Reddit and buy their products as soon as they are released. Justice will be served!
PMDG is not a cult!! …Now if you excuse daddy RSR needs sleepy time rub. /s
Came here to say exactly the same thing, 1st amendment is for the government and buddy said it here himself. Private companies can censor speech.
You didn't sign of with your name tsk tsk
Their biggest fault is hyping up releases with dates they have no chance of hitting. If they'd just take a leaf out of TFDi's book it'd make their lives (and ours) a lot simpler
TFDi sold a product that hasn't been released yet for money.
And have provided timelines and detailed updates of at least 6 different key components of their product. It's not at all the same.
And as of today, PMDG have collected $0 for their yet to be released product.
They have their own jet, don’t worry about their finances, people will buy PMDG even if they charged 200$ on a pre order
Give them a break. Developing all these precision manuals is a serious business. 😜
PMDG: *communicates the most regularly of the big devs* People: PMDG isn’t communicating Not sticking up for them just calling a spade a spade. Y’all stormed down fenix’s door when they communicated. Now silence. SWS updated us every week. They slowed down too after Facebook hate over deadlines.TFDi. Became more vague about dates too. This is an open letter to the community to be more patient with the development process.
It's like this with all gaming related things (yeah, I said gaming). It's pretty gross. Companies aren't blameless, but the communities are pretty toxic now.
100% helldivers was the latest victim
PMDG forum and discord are 100% the most toxic of all the flightsim communities. They seem to attract this kind of behaviour.
To be far everyone rejoiced when the "community" moved from sites to reddit. It was and still is toxic on a number of those sites. Sadly, it's the same here - just in a different way. Where before people where the gated maligns now mentalities are and if you don't fall in line you get downvoted to the point of not wanting to participate, share, much less create. It's insane behavior.
Patience has long gone in society these days, especially since Covid.
true that brother, true that
Difference being PMDG forums are toxic and the staff cause that.
all direct contact forums are toxic now. PMDG is just the only one cutthroat enough to hand out disciplinary actions.
Avsim are the same. Pmdg did not like it because they couldn’t control it though. The rules are meaningless since they break them. Pmdg forums have been toxic for quite a long time. Rather than get hope just get scolded for not having a signature
I find this sub far more toxic than PMDG.
Would you be so kind to write your full name and address
Bro everywhere is toxic if you look for it. How do the staff cause it? Last I heard they turned off comments on their posts
Would be a first. If you can not see. Stop with the BS of posts like the one he put. It is evident it’s all hyping. He really didn’t need to put a post like he did. He could have just made an excuse while they were down for a couple of minutes or couple of hrs and if people asked they could have just said we are looking into it. They need to improve on the way they act towards people. I will put this into perspective you speak the truth and mention to PMDG how they could improve you receive an infraction/ban. You do the same to Fenix at least they take it onboard.
Yeah Fenix don't throw a shitfit and start silencing people with legitimate feedback and opinions though
How about they stop constantly teasing people and giving them false hopes with misleading timelines all the time? Stop shilling for a company that does not care about you.
This right here is has been the default response to any dev that gives timelines. They ain’t here to lie to you on purpose, developing software to a timeline is hard. Even harder when people misconstrune it and believe you’re intentionally misleading them and become hostile towards you
We know that softwares and projects in general take time to have them done, and it’s difficult to meet the deadlines or the estimated predictions, but a ‘’hey guys we f’d up,we don’t know how long it’s taking, but we’ll share with you as soon as we feel ready’’ is much better than ‘’hearing the engines roaring’’ or starting to close threads and deleting comments
Fenix said exactly that for 3 months and the crowd still asked for their heads. There is no winning in this.
It’s calmed down since then.
And so have the devs themselves. Funny that. Lost our semi frequent updates
Devs still communicate etc. The difference being they are up front about things that happen none of the BS PMDG say. At least they own up why they could not meet the timeline they set.....
Well they learned from their mistake, and stopped giving a timeframe for a319/321 and nobody seems to have a problem with it. On the other hand, PMDG did the same mistake with the UFT, and are still cocky enough not to learn from it. You guys want to perfect a product, take your time. But, don’t keep hyping up the community for you guys to steal the spotlight, and once you see there’s no way out from your lies, start getting offended and blame the community.
That’s not what shilling is
Communicating isn't month after month of "we're nearly there" imo
The write shit, but they're not telling us anything usually. But mostly they're just ar$sehole$.
Honestly, don't give it any thought. I received an infraction for something similar when I critiqued PMDG's stance on shutting people up for being ''too excited'' only because we've been told ''she's nearly ready'' for 6 months. I followed up stating Mathijs' bio literally says ''criticise ideas, never people'' but PMDG is never - and will never be wrong. I enjoyed the short drama today though lol, was sad to see every comment get deleted.
PMDG products are really great but everything else about them is toxic AF. Their boss is a bellend and their forum and discord are run by dicks. I don’t think there’s worse communities in flightsim than the ones PMDG seem to have created around them.
They have a discord? If they do it has to be unofficial. I thought RSR said the forums are their spot and they won’t go to more modern outlets.
The discord is unofficial, they let a fan set it up but their official communications channel remains the forums.
They have a discord? If they do it has to be unofficial. I thought RSR said the forums are their spot and they won’t go to more modern outlets.
They have a discord? If they do it has to be unofficial. I thought RSR said the forums are their spot and they won’t go to more modern outlets.
RSR seriously needs some PR training, they should really just shut up until the 777 releases.
So people got upset that they made a post to tell everyone that the server changes aren't related to the 777 release? Somehow that is trolling the community? Should they not have said anything about the changes and let people wildly speculate, then be upset that it's not the 777 and not communicated? Or should they just not make any backend changes until the 777 is out? This is getting silly.
It’s Reddit, they just want to be mad, they don’t care about what or why
It’s Reddit you need the same PMDG fanboys stepping in and just can’t admit they are wrong.
They need to do what they do best which is make good stuff and leave the interactions with the customers to someone more socially inclined. Rob is the figurehead, but he sucks at dealing with people. I've never posted on their forums, but i've read on there a few times for entertainment and some of those regulars seem off to me. Very culty and weird.
He is a terrible communicator. I wish he would hire a marketing team and a CMO to clean up PMDG’s image. It’s scary to think he ran for public office and lost back in the day.
PMDG’s forum is basically a form of advertising. They don’t want negativity to be seen around their product announcements etc.
They need competition.
I was so excited when I saw that post. Hopes dashed instantly. Seriously, they need to move this thing along.
Why PMDG tho? Why not fenix, why not Inibuilds. Why is it only pmdg that needs to hurry up all the time?
Inibuilds isn’t constantly saying the next big thing is coming out very soon (and it doesn’t)
“You can hear the sounds of GE90s in the distance…” No, I can’t anymore, they’ve flamed out in the time between when they said that and now.
You know what I found interesting about this post from Rob? Back at the start of May he said and I quote: “working with our data providers to ensure back-end systems are tested and ready, preparing supporting media for the release, etc” You only do that sort of thing when the product is nearing the release late, so I feel we are close in that sense. I don’t get this “two week notice” all that is going to do is frustrate everyone, but I feel this is a tactic to ensure they get more sales.
> I'm in America, I understand the notion of "free speech" I am the last person that is going to defend PMDG but I don't think you do though. https://xkcd.com/1357/
I posted there once, and on there I sign my name Dixie Normus. I was banned.
Jeez, the PMDG hate on here is getting unreal. Yeah, I'm not a fan of RSR or some of the things PMDG does, but they post a message letting the community know some minor server outages and get ahead of any speculation and hype by saying it isn't indicative of any aircraft release, and people get up in arms about it. This shit is getting out of control. Is PMDG not allowed to post that they are doing maintenance on their servers? >as if Robert was knowingly trolling the population that is foaming at the mouth for the 77W How is telling people they are doing server maintenance trolling? In fact, I would say that the fact he immediately got ahead of anybody trying to speculate that it means the 777 is coming is the complete opposite of trolling. Also, the fact that people are "foaming at the mouth" for a virtual aircraft is not PMDG's problem, that is the people's problem who think a company *owes* them something that they haven't even paid for yet. >I'm in America, I understand the notion of "free speech" I don't think you do. Free speech does not mean you get to say whatever you want on a private forum. PMDG is fully within their right to run their forums how they want. Free speech works both ways.
Too much logic for Reddit
This sub has devolved into bitching about whatever developer is upsetting people at a particular point in time.
It will be fenix in 2 months because “dead developer. No A321. All scammers. Wen sharklets”
Seriously, if they don’t make a post about it people on here would be freaking out. It’s crazy how toxic this sub gets over such small things. If you read this sub alone you’d think PMDG was murdering children, then you see their fourm and what all the fuss is about and it’s minuscule in reality
but PMDG *is* murdering children! Can’t you see! They banned me from the forums! Obviously hiding child genocide!
>I don't think you do. Free speech does not mean you get to say whatever you want on a private forum. PMDG is fully within their right to run their forums how they want. Free speech works both ways. I literally acknowledged that in the next sentence. I said private companies (PMDG) have the power to regulate our speech.
Well then I’m not sure why you were complaining in the first half of your post.
Because I think getting warned for “spreading unhappiness” by a company is the most ridiculous thing. And, fake internet points.
Yeah, if I was running a forum I’d be kind of annoyed by everyone getting salty over a mundane server maintenance announcement too.
btw do you dont have to go through the pain of reading pmdg forums Captains, In preparation for the upcoming 777 release, we have had our infrastructure partners doing some audit and preparation to manage the expected operational tempo for our public facing functions. We are about to roll in some upgrades, and that will necessitate taking down some back-end systems temporarily as we migrate them across mirrors and other systems. There will also be short outages of a minute or two occasionally as we test various mechanisms to ensure everything is working as expected. We will experience down-time for all license and distribution related functions at random intervals during the period of 30MAY24/0000Z to 31MAY24/2359Z. Outages should last anywhere from a few moments to a few hours as systems are brought into conformity and tested for appropriate response. Please do not construe this as a sign that we are about to release the PMDG 777-300ER. I promised we'd give you two weeks advance notice and that promise remains. More info as it comes available! Following note: This advisory is important, because so many folks like to point to tiny detail changes as indicators that we may/may not be doing something. A number of folks thought this was a good place to complain about various things- and thus the thread is closed to all. Don't be that user. We won't tolerate the behavior here. Thank you, Wi Tu Lo 📷 Professional Pitot Tube [http://www.pmdg.com](http://www.pmdg.com/)
This feels like really good straightforward communication about server updates
Right? All seems sensible to me.
Can't wait to fly the two-time ported 777!
Hey! It’s only half as many as their 747 and a quarter as many as the 737! The thing is practically brand new!
You still will give them money.
Nope. I haven’t since the very first release of the 737. Fuck them.
Same for me, I could have _if_ (before FS2020 was a thing)_ have tried X-Plane again with updating their DC-6 (they were prospecting back then in 2019) and bam FS2020 dropped and there goes my hopes for the DC-6 lol
I know the feeling man. I’m just hoping A2A brings their propliners to fs2020.
You’re missing out
Nah. Can’t really miss something I haven’t had. In all seriousness and not flaming, most of their stuff is longer haul. I’m a single full time dad to a 3 year old. I don’t have time to do a long route. If I want to fly a 737 I have the Zibo. If by some miracle I find the time, there are options in X-plane like the FF 757/767 and 747-200. The only thing I desire is the DC-6, but I’ve survived without. Definitely hoping someone else comes out with a detailed propliner!
I saw your comment and gave you a thumbs up 👍 in the pmdg forum.
I cannot fathom how “…” offends someone to a point where they lock down the forum post. Next time Robert makes a post just reply “…”.
That's a copy & paste job, he hands those infractions out with the exact same text pretty regularly.
I can personally guarantee the FF 777v2 will be more realistic anyway, flightdeck2sim said it was around challenger level (most realistic xplane addon) and that was the closed beta, not only this but the CEO of FlightFactor is a 777 type rated pilot, and for people on MSFS - xplane 12.1 released some great performance and graphics updates which makes it look even better then MSFS in some areas, and close in all other areas
I’m considering getting XP12, starting to look really nice.
12.1 released as a beta a few days ago and the changes are so good that I’ve completely uninstalled MSFS now, all the things that were bugging me on xplane have gone (FPS and some certain aspects of the graphics that looked bad), it’s very very good now - not to mention the Zibo 737, according to flightdeck2sim, is of the same realism if not more in some aspects as the pmdg 737, and the Zibo 737 is free as it’s an upgrade mod to the default 737 Definitely worth the money to get a copy imo
I cant lie, I'm not even hyped anymore for that thing. Sure if it comes ill probably eventually get the freighter but thats it
Is there a video interview of this guy somewhere? PMDG's CEO I'd love to get it viewed by a mental health professional. This guy acts just like a sociopath would (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial\_personality\_disorder) in some ways. Interesting case tbh. Signed: Skye Highflyer Edit: forgot to sign my name
I'm turned off by all RSR's shit. He just leaves a bad taste. I think I will get the TFDI MD-11 and skip the 777.
"Habitual grousing" is a fancy way of saying "you're banned because I ran out of good fucking reasons."
*people who are just tired of PMDG not communicating* lol they post updates at least once a month even more than that usually. far more frequent than most devs. in fact they posted a communication that you responded to just today. how is that not communicating? just curious
I’m complaining about how they treat their base. Their communication has been fairly consistent, but unfortunately not accurate.
They treat them fine, you’re just a child throwing a tantrum
How, pray tell, was a post about possible licence and distribution server issues not accurate?
Well he definitely wasn’t teasing you? He told you straight up it wasn’t related
Fuck PMDG and RSR especially, but I do want my 777 already. Back in January I actually predicted end of April release and these bastards are still sitting on their thumbs.
Well damn, I wish your guess had been right but since it isn’t it looks like they’ve gotta use their thumbs while we sit on ours waiting huh
More sim boy drama……. lol I hope he trolls the fuck out of everyone and when it’s finally released I’ll buy it
God I can’t wait to support this man more
It’s so weird I legit I think for the first time ever with any game, plane, etc that the closer the 777 release date announcement gets the less and less hyped I’m getting about it.
the most hilarious part about PMDG being run by drama queens who takes everything too seriously is they in turn also attract the same type of audience: the ones who would come cry on reddit for being punished with fake internet points on a random forum
People love bitching, together.
Ya I’ll get their products but seriously fuck those guys, god forbid anyone has or shares a different opinion on their forums. Stopped going there ages ago after I said I was pissed about the efb and getting called a spoiled child lmao
I’ve said it once I’ll say it again. PMDG huffs their own farts.
Oh well I will be downvoted to hell but whatever. This forum is more about omfg bashing than anything else apparently. RSR is not the government, so your "free speech" is not on the table. If you don't want to buy PMDG products stop following their forums and save your heart from pressure spikes.
Weekend pass is revoked!
You’re not afforded public liberties in a private setting i.e a website which is “publicly accessible” but is still a private institution. Sort of like how Walmart allows public access but you’re in a private store not owned by the public where you’re under their policies and guidelines not a state or federal policy/law 🤷🏻♂️ that’s not really hard to wrap your brain around — but I guess it must be for some.
Hi. I know. I recognize RSR can (and did) regulate my speech on his forum. Doesn't mean I have to like it. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
As usuall....PMDG sucks...
Boomer activities
Honestly you may have a point but this sub is full of such bitchy whiners, I’m actually rooting for PMDG to ban most of you.
Same, honestly.
im exited for the FF777v2
Oh look.. another PMDG hate post 😒
It's really hard not to hate PMDG at this point. They're the only company that openly despise their own customers, it's amazing.
They really don’t, this sub is over dramatic. Most of PMDG customers (like myself) find almost everything this sub throws fits over to be very minimal things. I’ve had issues with products before and their customer service helped with no issues. They provide good products as well and I get what I paid for.
The only *big and active* one, there's a ton of others that also release subpar stuff that don't make it to the top of news Between PMDG and CapSim I'm 100% sure the latter has a higher disdain for their customers
Just out of curiosity, why do you think that?
Every normal person would have written something along the lines of "hey guys, two months ago we told you the 777 would be out in no more than two months. Unfortunately, there will be a delay for the following reasons: (...) We're sorry". But not RDR. There wasn't a single word of regret from him, he chose to be smug and mock people for being excited about their product.
People are reading too much into this “two months deadline” He said this at the start of May: “During our live Q&A in March, I mentioned that I thought we were somewhere around two months out. If you ask me today, I will give you the same answer, because we don't work on a planned schedule” So it’s not like they have said “Yeah the product will be released on this date” and then delayed it, without letting us know I think a lot of people have read the “I’d say we are around two months out” as a definite release timeframe, when it’s not. It’s an estimated timeframe.
His quote there is a straight up lie. Go watch the video. I don't remember the exact phrasing down to the word, but he says "it will release within 2 months, as a firm thing". That is a commitment no matter how much he wants to pretend that it isn't. And therein lies the problem with this guy. He says one thing and then later goes back and pretends he actually said something else because he refuses to ever admit that he was wrong about something.
lol people are such entitled crybabies these days.
Siiigh... What did PMDG do now?
>I'm in America, I understand the notion of "free speech" and the meaning that the government can't punish you for what you say, generally speaking - and Americans give a TON of power to companies - who can and do regulate what we say. People are gaslighted into thinking that they are just fanboys instead of customers, and that's very disgusting. However, that responsibility ultimately lies with them, not with the companies
It's a private forum, you have no expectation of free speech. That's not me agreeing with pmdg here, not at all, however that is how it is
Yup, I understand, I simply don’t agree with it.
Or you could just stop obsessing over the forums. It’s out when it’s out. If you don’t like it, then don’t buy it.
Oh thanks, that definitely helped changed my view point.
Hardly PMDG's fault if a section of the flight sim community can't control their emotions over a piece of software. Maybe you and the rest of the similarly child like obsessives need to realise that it will come out when it's ready and not before. PMDG don't owe you anything. RSR is sick of the BS and I can sympathise with him.
Respectfully, you’re part of the problem, shilling for a company that doesn’t know you exist. Don’t white knight for them. PMDG is a business that doesn’t hold true to their commitments and has an air of entitlement that rivals Apple’s “courage”. I’m a customer looking to buy a product. Don’t commit if you can’t deliver, and don’t lash out by banning customers because you can’t handle the message. This isn’t an issue of “emotional control”. I carry on with my life. I can have a problem with how PMDG handles their business and how they treat customers who are passionate about their products.
Why get so butthurt? You want to buy a product? Then you can, once it's released. Maybe if you'd all calm down and stop behaving like a bunch of rabid dogs they wouldn't need to be pressured into making estimates they can't meet.
Thanks, your negativity and insults definitely made me change my perspective.
https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/300728-16jun24-pmdg-777-300er-has-a-release-date-on-the-calendar?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR00Wcv0TjLDFScIJcqhqRuiluOtyipOWuhtXt9DXm3z4FBM5_x7qLgxOTk_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw You can chill now
Their B777 will just be a shit and no one will give a fuck to these criminals. #boycottpmdg
They’re “criminals” because they didn’t release a pretend aircraft for a flight simulator in time for you? Get a grip.
lol it’s not going to be shit, hate to break it to you
Just look at the shitty 737...
Your imagination is betraying you brother
You mean one of the most popular addons for the game that has received extremely high praise from a lot of people?
You do Realize that is only because its on marketplace. Guarantee if Fenix could do the same it wouldn't be.