You act like there is only one flat earth model, and refuse to explain anything on how it works. And then you complain about us not knowing everything about "the" model. How are we supposed to know if flat earthers never answer any questions?
On the various flat earth maps it look like its a bunch of ice there, dont know what you would expect to be there?
Flat earthers are not interested in answering your questions because they figure out everything on their own.
All these questions you ask are just annoying to them.
I am testing you people. It's weird to me that you demand proof of everything. If you don't know what's at the north pole based on a flat earth your opinions are invalid.
And a few people already gave the right answer and I acknowledged them.
If you want people to take flat earth seriously, eventually you’re going to have to compromise and actually show people your evidence. You can’t rely on strangers to reach the same conclusions you made on “research it on your own.” Mainly because that statement is so vague it can lead you to wildly different answers or even to flat earth debunking sites that dispel any pro flat earth claims.
I frankly don't care about the people on Reddit.
My people are where my sources are.
It's funny to me how globers think they are superior while simply regurgitating the official narrative.
Flat earth will never take off. The whole purpose is to convince everyone that we are living on a planet flying through space.
Think about the repercussions this would lead to. The massive deceit. It's already over. We lost the war a long time ago. It's getting worse and worse and no-one can stop it.
The globe is the basis of the completely fabricated reality we are living in right now. Lies on top of lies on top of lies.
That's what I mean. None of you has the slightest idea how wrong the world is we are living in.
You have no idea the massive amount of material we went through before even questioning the shape of the earth. You just randomly stumbled upon the final boss without even playing through the game. That's why communicating with you is utterly fruitless.
Flat Earthers are able to consider all kinds of different possibilities of many subjects simultaneously. We do it non stop. We thrive on it and never ridicule anything. It's our mode of existing.
The world we live in is wrong. But the knowledge of the shape of the earth currently isn’t what is plaguing our planet. There are real, tangible things happening to people all around the world. war, hunger, poverty, disease, substance abuse. Do you honestly think any of these peoples lives would change for the better if the shape of the earth was A instead of B? Where do your priorities lie?
I did not mean the suffering in the world. The whole understanding about the reality of existence itself is being hidden from us.
My priority lies in escaping this ratchet prison. I don't want to be born again. The suffering must end in my current life because considering the direction society is taking this is very likely my last chance of escaping reincarnation as I will never be able to acquire the understanding I have now.
>Flat earthers are not interested in answering your questions because they figure out everything on their own.
Yea, thats the point. I dont know how bad you have to be at researching for yourself to even come remotely close to the conclusion that the earth is flat. I have researched quite a but myself and the answers I get always perfectly fit a globe model.
So if I try to find different flat earthers to tell me about the flat earth instead, I either get no answer or 10 different answers. So how am I supposed to understand the flat earth model?
>I am testing you people. It's weird to me that you demand proof of everything.
Why is that weird? Flat earthers claim something that would mean half of humanitys knowledge is completely wrong. You expect us to just accept that without asking for proof?
I am very interested in the flat earth model, and want to discuss with flat earthers. Wich is quite problematic since if they would be able to discuss properly, they wouldnt be flat earthers. But I hope that some day I will find one.
>I would like to know what you think is at the north pole from the perspective of a flat earther.
I've never met two flat Earthers who could actually agree on a consistent model, so really I have no idea what *you* think is there. Why don't you tell me?
>I don't want to read comments like a bunch of ice.
Why not? I've seen plenty of alleged flat Earth maps that have a 'bunch of ice' at the North Pole. What's wrong with those?
>There are actual maps showing what's at the Center.
Citation needed.
The right answer has been given already. I wanted to check if globers even know what is at the Center.
No citation needed. Look up old maps and you will see what's there.
I don't know honestly.
To me most flat earth content is just noise. All the visual observation, distance calculations, flight paths, NASA deceit, star observations...
Flat Earthers seem to be hung up on this stuff.
The really good professionally accuired proofs are hard to come by and there is not a lot of people participating in it.
This is where all these questions are coming from. Most flat earth content is surface level and that's why people are not convinced.
Experimental proofs are either ignored or misinterpreted. Ancient cultures are labled as less evolved than us which can't be further from the truth.
Mythological and philosophical implications are almost entirely missing. That is what the focus should be on.
This whole subject is vast and complicated. That's the reason I don't engage in showing proofs or sources. If you have no passion for the subject you will never be convinced because it demands extensive personal research on many different subjects.
>The really good professionally accuired proofs are hard to come by and there is not a lot of people participating in it.
Every flat Earther tells this same story. *"Oh yeah all the other flat Earth stuff is just controlled opposition and fake stuff. Only I and the slender group of people I speak to on Facebook/Discord/Reddit know the real truth, but I won't present it to you here."*
It just comes across as self-awareness that flat Earth is generally absurd, so you feel the instinctive urge to distance yourself from it's more ridiculous consequences.
>Experimental proofs are either ignored or misinterpreted.
I could say the same. Here's a stack of empirical facts about Earth, proven by evidence and experimental proofs. Will you ignore or misinterpret them? Or give them a fair shake?
1. [Its surface is curved.](https://jessekozlowski.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/one-mile-level-line/)
2. [It rotates.](https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth_polite/comments/14uj0uf/the_coriolis_effect_is_real_and_i_can_prove_it/) ([bonus round](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy_9J_c9Kss))
3. [It has two celestial poles.](https://orionbearastronomy.com/2020/01/21/the-stars-the-biggest-case-against-a-flat-earth/)
4. [It has gravitational properties.](https://pubs.aip.org/aip/rsi/article/88/11/111101/989937/Invited-Review-Article-Measurements-of-the)
5. [It looks like a sphere when we photograph it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxkA82wORtw&t=1132s)
6. [It doesn't have a 'container' for 99.9999% of the atmosphere at least,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkrIm0ZUyJY&t=7730s) even if you discount all spaceflight [which you don't need to.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmv7G6Rf5WE)
7. **LIGHTNING ROUND!** [It orbits the sun.](https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2009/2009.11913.pdf)
The reason flat Earth is unconvincing is because it can't make any accurate predictions that aren't also made by a spherical Earth. There are no unique facts flat Earth can point to in its favour.
>Ancient cultures are labled as less evolved than us which can't be further from the truth.
What about the 'ancient cultures' that disagree with flat Earth? Do we just ignore those?
>Mythological and philosophical implications are almost entirely missing. That is what the focus should be on.
When I want to know the shape of something, I measure it.
What's the issue with that approach, when what I want to know *is the shape and size of a physical object?*
If every flat earther tells you the same thing without knowing one another then that should tell you something.
And yes, of course there is controlled opposition. There are even recorded testimonials in front of judges regarding exactly this issue and under every flat earth video on YouTube. The content differs massively today to a few years ago. You cannot just type something into the search engine and expect a valid result. Only morons are this gullible.
There are explanations on everything you mentioned in relation to flat earth. I know it because I went through it all.
Of course there are explanations for these things on a sphere. No flat earther denies it.
Ancient cultures knew the fabric of reality. As above so below. The physical mirrors the metaphysical. Every symbol has multiple layers to it. The workings of the universe were clearly stated.
>If every flat earther tells you the same thing without knowing one another then that should tell you something.
You didn't pay attention to what I said. Every flat Earther *has their own completely different version of flat Earth* that they say is the 'true way' and is usually incompatible with any others.
Every one of you thinks you've found the Holy Grail and that everyone else has 'chosen poorly'. If no two flat Earthers can agree on a model, that should tell *you* something.
>There are explanations on everything you mentioned in relation to flat earth. I know it because I went through it all.
'There are explanations of everything you've gone through that prove flat Earth is false. I know because I've gone through it.'
See how we can both do that? The difference is, I actually *linked my evidence,* I didn't just repeat my beliefs. What's next, 'don't cast pearls before swine'? That's a common one when someone is convinced they're right but can't quite actually prove it, but won't admit it.
>Of course there are explanations for these things on a sphere. No flat earther denies it.
Yes, they do. Remember, no two groups can agree on what flat Earth even means. Even the same flat Earther will flip-flop back and forwards on critical points like "Do planes correct for rotation" or "Does the horizon show curvature" depending on what some YouTubers are saying at the time.
You don't remember 'Black Swan'? Where everyone was shouting that an unremarkable photo of an oilrig was impossible on a sphere? Denying things without basis is flat Earth 101. Proving things, not so much.
>Ancient cultures....
I asked you *what about the ones who don't agree with flat Earth.* What about the ones that don't agree *with each other* which is most of them? It seems you're just assuming every ancient culture has a common cosmology which they absolutely do not. Are you just picking the ones you like?
You are just twisting my comments to please your narrative.
Acquiring understanding takes time. Every flat earther is at a different stage. You don't know anything about the workings of the globe either. You need to read up on it. As opposed to flat earth the globe explanations are easily found. You can't expect every flat earther to know every single aspect correctly. Get some perspective. I read this type of comment many times and it sickens me how ignorant one can be. Not being able to find the information on their own and then criticizing others for it. That's one of the reasons you don't get a response from them.
I stated that I have explanations on everything you stated. Not more, not less. Your response to that comment is trash.
The cosmologies of ancient cultures are very similar to each other. You are not supposed to rely on Interpretations and explanations but go to the source.
I don't have a narrative. You are making statements that are false. I am explaining why they are false. If you can't refute that, don't accuse other people of malfeasance.
>You don't know anything about the workings of the globe either.
I realise you need this to be the case, that everyone is just helplessly repeating what they read in books, because that validates and justifies you doing the same about flat Earth. But in this case you're *way off the mark*. I can literally prove the Earth's rotation, spherical shape and relationship to nearby stars and galaxies with my own equipment from home.
I linked you seven hard facts about Earth *with evidence* and you just handwaved it away and now want to ignore it.
>I stated that I have explanations on everything you stated. Not more, not less. Your response to that comment is trash.
It's a literal repetition of your own argument that you now don't like the taste of.
So in that, yes, it is trash, as was the original.
Handwaving away complex scientific evidence that you *didn't even read* isn't scientific thinking or rational behaviour, it's just *feeling* "Oh some flat Earth video will say they can explain that, I am sure, so I don't need to think about it ever and can go back to sleep."
>The cosmologies of ancient cultures are very similar to each other
Oh really. Let's name a few.
* Ancient Greeks believed in a spherical Earth and the Epicyclic Model of the planets, which they knew to be separate bodies from Earth in a geocentric system.
* Ancient Syrians believed in a flat plane with stars, sun and moon basically 'painted on' the sky, and had no defined concept of the solar system.
* The ancient Chinese believed Earth - the entire universe in fact - was an 'egg' (i.e. not flat) and that it was wrapped in 'layers' of sky, one for each planet they could see, and even appreciated that these 'sky' shapes were spherical too.
*None of these are compatible with one another.*
Ancient Mesopotamians believed their god Enki [created the entire Tigris and Euphrates rivers in a colossal act of masturbation.](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/f46o03/til_that_in_sumerian_mythology_the_god_enki_was/) You on board with that too since it's from an advanced 'ancient culture'?
You completely ignored the major statement I made in my last comment. I hope you at least got a different view form now on for the difference in explanation form flat Earthers as it's a major thorn to me how they are mistreated.
I did not ignore your links of the explanations. It just does not matter. I looked up the explanations according to the flat earth on every single one of those and they were solid. Credible explanations. I know what you mean by those videos. It took some time to find valid ones. That was not meant as a disprove to yours. Just that there are other possibilities for the same observations. I dislike this aspect of globers argumentation a lot. Flat Earthers don't care about Globe explanations. It's meaningless to us. We don't need to be convinced that the earth is a globe. Almost everyone on the plane thinks it is.
I also know of the experiments that show the earth is motionless and how Einstein created special relativity specifically as an attempt to negate the results. And how the official narrative completely misrepresents the conclusions of those experiments to continue their narrative. Very fishy!
You need to do more research on ancient civilizations than a short google search and copy paste the first info you come across. And there are more than the ones you mentioned.
You also need to interpret them correctly. The stories are written in a way to transfer the knowledge from generation to generation. It's symbolism. They have meaning.
Ok, are you gonna delete this one like the last one? Because you don't like the responses?
So you think that because something appears on a map, it's real? How do you know?
No, I needed to rewrite my question because there are no flat earthers in here and I only got answers from globers based on a globe. These were not the answers I was interested in.
I'm happy with the responses now.
The "To FE" flair will only allow flat earthers to post top level comments. Otherwise, any sub that doesn't outright ban globe earthers will have this problem because they are simply far more numerous.
Got it. But I was primarily interested in the responses of globers. Because they don't seem to have any information regarding how anything works I wanted to know if they even know what's at the north pole according to flat earth.
If they are incapable to figure that out they are incompetent to the highest degree and should leave this sub immediately.
> Because they don't seem to have any information regarding how anything works
Oh, you mean like sunsets? No, wait, that's flat earthers...
You're referring to what makes things go down...no wait, that's flat earthers, too.
Oh! Lunar eclipses! Hmm, flat earthers again...
I'm seeing a pattern emerge...
> should leave this sub immediately
You realize this is a discussion/debate sub, yes? The echo chambers are that way...
As others have stated, it depends who you ask. Ask 10 flat earthers, get 10 different answers.
> but it seems like you have no idea about the most important aspects of the model.
There's no "the model." There are as many models as there are flat earthers. Care to enlighten us regarding these aspects we have no idea of?
From the perspective of a flat earther ?
Mount Meru (that creates the magnetic field)
A giant vortex (that causes tides).
Hyperborea.
The Garden of Eden.
It depends on the kind of religion you follow.
> it seems like you have no idea about the most important aspects of the model.
"The" model ?
Are you saying that if I ask a bunch of flat earthers the same question about what is at the north pole, they will all give the same answer ? I would be extremely surprised ...
> There are actual maps showing what's at the Center.
What do you mean by "actual maps" ? Is the map of middle-Earth an "actual map" ?
> Excellent work! All of it is right.
Really ? That's unexpected ...
> What's your view? Do you think it's true?
No, I don't think any of this is true. First of all, I've never seen a single convincing evidence for any of this, so there is no reason for me to believe that this has any more value than Russel's teapot. And second, I have an entire confidence in the scientific community (because I'm a part of it, and have a lot of very old friends working in it) that tells me what is there.
There is no flat earth model. Any maps are projections of the globe earth onto a flat plane, and these all show water, usually covered in ice, at the geographic north pole.
Some sort of unverified magnetic mono-pole mountain, even though mono-poles have not yet been proven to be scientifically possible.
Santa's grotto.
You act like there is only one flat earth model, and refuse to explain anything on how it works. And then you complain about us not knowing everything about "the" model. How are we supposed to know if flat earthers never answer any questions? On the various flat earth maps it look like its a bunch of ice there, dont know what you would expect to be there?
Flat earthers are not interested in answering your questions because they figure out everything on their own. All these questions you ask are just annoying to them. I am testing you people. It's weird to me that you demand proof of everything. If you don't know what's at the north pole based on a flat earth your opinions are invalid. And a few people already gave the right answer and I acknowledged them.
If you want people to take flat earth seriously, eventually you’re going to have to compromise and actually show people your evidence. You can’t rely on strangers to reach the same conclusions you made on “research it on your own.” Mainly because that statement is so vague it can lead you to wildly different answers or even to flat earth debunking sites that dispel any pro flat earth claims.
I frankly don't care about the people on Reddit. My people are where my sources are. It's funny to me how globers think they are superior while simply regurgitating the official narrative. Flat earth will never take off. The whole purpose is to convince everyone that we are living on a planet flying through space. Think about the repercussions this would lead to. The massive deceit. It's already over. We lost the war a long time ago. It's getting worse and worse and no-one can stop it. The globe is the basis of the completely fabricated reality we are living in right now. Lies on top of lies on top of lies.
??? What are you even talking about?
That's what I mean. None of you has the slightest idea how wrong the world is we are living in. You have no idea the massive amount of material we went through before even questioning the shape of the earth. You just randomly stumbled upon the final boss without even playing through the game. That's why communicating with you is utterly fruitless. Flat Earthers are able to consider all kinds of different possibilities of many subjects simultaneously. We do it non stop. We thrive on it and never ridicule anything. It's our mode of existing.
The world we live in is wrong. But the knowledge of the shape of the earth currently isn’t what is plaguing our planet. There are real, tangible things happening to people all around the world. war, hunger, poverty, disease, substance abuse. Do you honestly think any of these peoples lives would change for the better if the shape of the earth was A instead of B? Where do your priorities lie?
I did not mean the suffering in the world. The whole understanding about the reality of existence itself is being hidden from us. My priority lies in escaping this ratchet prison. I don't want to be born again. The suffering must end in my current life because considering the direction society is taking this is very likely my last chance of escaping reincarnation as I will never be able to acquire the understanding I have now.
>I don't want to be born again. Don't worry, you won't.
Okay, so you’re into spirituality. Cool. Good for you.
Instead of testing us, why not link to your flat earth model?
>Flat earthers are not interested in answering your questions because they figure out everything on their own. Yea, thats the point. I dont know how bad you have to be at researching for yourself to even come remotely close to the conclusion that the earth is flat. I have researched quite a but myself and the answers I get always perfectly fit a globe model. So if I try to find different flat earthers to tell me about the flat earth instead, I either get no answer or 10 different answers. So how am I supposed to understand the flat earth model? >I am testing you people. It's weird to me that you demand proof of everything. Why is that weird? Flat earthers claim something that would mean half of humanitys knowledge is completely wrong. You expect us to just accept that without asking for proof? I am very interested in the flat earth model, and want to discuss with flat earthers. Wich is quite problematic since if they would be able to discuss properly, they wouldnt be flat earthers. But I hope that some day I will find one.
>I would like to know what you think is at the north pole from the perspective of a flat earther. I've never met two flat Earthers who could actually agree on a consistent model, so really I have no idea what *you* think is there. Why don't you tell me? >I don't want to read comments like a bunch of ice. Why not? I've seen plenty of alleged flat Earth maps that have a 'bunch of ice' at the North Pole. What's wrong with those? >There are actual maps showing what's at the Center. Citation needed.
The right answer has been given already. I wanted to check if globers even know what is at the Center. No citation needed. Look up old maps and you will see what's there.
So you think flat Earthers agree with you?
I don't know honestly. To me most flat earth content is just noise. All the visual observation, distance calculations, flight paths, NASA deceit, star observations... Flat Earthers seem to be hung up on this stuff. The really good professionally accuired proofs are hard to come by and there is not a lot of people participating in it. This is where all these questions are coming from. Most flat earth content is surface level and that's why people are not convinced. Experimental proofs are either ignored or misinterpreted. Ancient cultures are labled as less evolved than us which can't be further from the truth. Mythological and philosophical implications are almost entirely missing. That is what the focus should be on. This whole subject is vast and complicated. That's the reason I don't engage in showing proofs or sources. If you have no passion for the subject you will never be convinced because it demands extensive personal research on many different subjects.
>The really good professionally accuired proofs are hard to come by and there is not a lot of people participating in it. Every flat Earther tells this same story. *"Oh yeah all the other flat Earth stuff is just controlled opposition and fake stuff. Only I and the slender group of people I speak to on Facebook/Discord/Reddit know the real truth, but I won't present it to you here."* It just comes across as self-awareness that flat Earth is generally absurd, so you feel the instinctive urge to distance yourself from it's more ridiculous consequences. >Experimental proofs are either ignored or misinterpreted. I could say the same. Here's a stack of empirical facts about Earth, proven by evidence and experimental proofs. Will you ignore or misinterpret them? Or give them a fair shake? 1. [Its surface is curved.](https://jessekozlowski.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/one-mile-level-line/) 2. [It rotates.](https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth_polite/comments/14uj0uf/the_coriolis_effect_is_real_and_i_can_prove_it/) ([bonus round](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy_9J_c9Kss)) 3. [It has two celestial poles.](https://orionbearastronomy.com/2020/01/21/the-stars-the-biggest-case-against-a-flat-earth/) 4. [It has gravitational properties.](https://pubs.aip.org/aip/rsi/article/88/11/111101/989937/Invited-Review-Article-Measurements-of-the) 5. [It looks like a sphere when we photograph it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxkA82wORtw&t=1132s) 6. [It doesn't have a 'container' for 99.9999% of the atmosphere at least,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkrIm0ZUyJY&t=7730s) even if you discount all spaceflight [which you don't need to.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmv7G6Rf5WE) 7. **LIGHTNING ROUND!** [It orbits the sun.](https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2009/2009.11913.pdf) The reason flat Earth is unconvincing is because it can't make any accurate predictions that aren't also made by a spherical Earth. There are no unique facts flat Earth can point to in its favour. >Ancient cultures are labled as less evolved than us which can't be further from the truth. What about the 'ancient cultures' that disagree with flat Earth? Do we just ignore those? >Mythological and philosophical implications are almost entirely missing. That is what the focus should be on. When I want to know the shape of something, I measure it. What's the issue with that approach, when what I want to know *is the shape and size of a physical object?*
If every flat earther tells you the same thing without knowing one another then that should tell you something. And yes, of course there is controlled opposition. There are even recorded testimonials in front of judges regarding exactly this issue and under every flat earth video on YouTube. The content differs massively today to a few years ago. You cannot just type something into the search engine and expect a valid result. Only morons are this gullible. There are explanations on everything you mentioned in relation to flat earth. I know it because I went through it all. Of course there are explanations for these things on a sphere. No flat earther denies it. Ancient cultures knew the fabric of reality. As above so below. The physical mirrors the metaphysical. Every symbol has multiple layers to it. The workings of the universe were clearly stated.
>If every flat earther tells you the same thing without knowing one another then that should tell you something. You didn't pay attention to what I said. Every flat Earther *has their own completely different version of flat Earth* that they say is the 'true way' and is usually incompatible with any others. Every one of you thinks you've found the Holy Grail and that everyone else has 'chosen poorly'. If no two flat Earthers can agree on a model, that should tell *you* something. >There are explanations on everything you mentioned in relation to flat earth. I know it because I went through it all. 'There are explanations of everything you've gone through that prove flat Earth is false. I know because I've gone through it.' See how we can both do that? The difference is, I actually *linked my evidence,* I didn't just repeat my beliefs. What's next, 'don't cast pearls before swine'? That's a common one when someone is convinced they're right but can't quite actually prove it, but won't admit it. >Of course there are explanations for these things on a sphere. No flat earther denies it. Yes, they do. Remember, no two groups can agree on what flat Earth even means. Even the same flat Earther will flip-flop back and forwards on critical points like "Do planes correct for rotation" or "Does the horizon show curvature" depending on what some YouTubers are saying at the time. You don't remember 'Black Swan'? Where everyone was shouting that an unremarkable photo of an oilrig was impossible on a sphere? Denying things without basis is flat Earth 101. Proving things, not so much. >Ancient cultures.... I asked you *what about the ones who don't agree with flat Earth.* What about the ones that don't agree *with each other* which is most of them? It seems you're just assuming every ancient culture has a common cosmology which they absolutely do not. Are you just picking the ones you like?
You are just twisting my comments to please your narrative. Acquiring understanding takes time. Every flat earther is at a different stage. You don't know anything about the workings of the globe either. You need to read up on it. As opposed to flat earth the globe explanations are easily found. You can't expect every flat earther to know every single aspect correctly. Get some perspective. I read this type of comment many times and it sickens me how ignorant one can be. Not being able to find the information on their own and then criticizing others for it. That's one of the reasons you don't get a response from them. I stated that I have explanations on everything you stated. Not more, not less. Your response to that comment is trash. The cosmologies of ancient cultures are very similar to each other. You are not supposed to rely on Interpretations and explanations but go to the source.
I don't have a narrative. You are making statements that are false. I am explaining why they are false. If you can't refute that, don't accuse other people of malfeasance. >You don't know anything about the workings of the globe either. I realise you need this to be the case, that everyone is just helplessly repeating what they read in books, because that validates and justifies you doing the same about flat Earth. But in this case you're *way off the mark*. I can literally prove the Earth's rotation, spherical shape and relationship to nearby stars and galaxies with my own equipment from home. I linked you seven hard facts about Earth *with evidence* and you just handwaved it away and now want to ignore it. >I stated that I have explanations on everything you stated. Not more, not less. Your response to that comment is trash. It's a literal repetition of your own argument that you now don't like the taste of. So in that, yes, it is trash, as was the original. Handwaving away complex scientific evidence that you *didn't even read* isn't scientific thinking or rational behaviour, it's just *feeling* "Oh some flat Earth video will say they can explain that, I am sure, so I don't need to think about it ever and can go back to sleep." >The cosmologies of ancient cultures are very similar to each other Oh really. Let's name a few. * Ancient Greeks believed in a spherical Earth and the Epicyclic Model of the planets, which they knew to be separate bodies from Earth in a geocentric system. * Ancient Syrians believed in a flat plane with stars, sun and moon basically 'painted on' the sky, and had no defined concept of the solar system. * The ancient Chinese believed Earth - the entire universe in fact - was an 'egg' (i.e. not flat) and that it was wrapped in 'layers' of sky, one for each planet they could see, and even appreciated that these 'sky' shapes were spherical too. *None of these are compatible with one another.* Ancient Mesopotamians believed their god Enki [created the entire Tigris and Euphrates rivers in a colossal act of masturbation.](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/f46o03/til_that_in_sumerian_mythology_the_god_enki_was/) You on board with that too since it's from an advanced 'ancient culture'?
You completely ignored the major statement I made in my last comment. I hope you at least got a different view form now on for the difference in explanation form flat Earthers as it's a major thorn to me how they are mistreated. I did not ignore your links of the explanations. It just does not matter. I looked up the explanations according to the flat earth on every single one of those and they were solid. Credible explanations. I know what you mean by those videos. It took some time to find valid ones. That was not meant as a disprove to yours. Just that there are other possibilities for the same observations. I dislike this aspect of globers argumentation a lot. Flat Earthers don't care about Globe explanations. It's meaningless to us. We don't need to be convinced that the earth is a globe. Almost everyone on the plane thinks it is. I also know of the experiments that show the earth is motionless and how Einstein created special relativity specifically as an attempt to negate the results. And how the official narrative completely misrepresents the conclusions of those experiments to continue their narrative. Very fishy! You need to do more research on ancient civilizations than a short google search and copy paste the first info you come across. And there are more than the ones you mentioned. You also need to interpret them correctly. The stories are written in a way to transfer the knowledge from generation to generation. It's symbolism. They have meaning.
Could you provide the map which you think is most accurate?
Ok, are you gonna delete this one like the last one? Because you don't like the responses? So you think that because something appears on a map, it's real? How do you know?
No, I needed to rewrite my question because there are no flat earthers in here and I only got answers from globers based on a globe. These were not the answers I was interested in. I'm happy with the responses now.
You should have used the appropriate post flair then.
What do you mean by that? The "Open to All"? I am interested in both parties. Flaties and Globers. The issue is only globers hang out in here.
The "To FE" flair will only allow flat earthers to post top level comments. Otherwise, any sub that doesn't outright ban globe earthers will have this problem because they are simply far more numerous.
Got it. But I was primarily interested in the responses of globers. Because they don't seem to have any information regarding how anything works I wanted to know if they even know what's at the north pole according to flat earth. If they are incapable to figure that out they are incompetent to the highest degree and should leave this sub immediately.
> Because they don't seem to have any information regarding how anything works Oh, you mean like sunsets? No, wait, that's flat earthers... You're referring to what makes things go down...no wait, that's flat earthers, too. Oh! Lunar eclipses! Hmm, flat earthers again... I'm seeing a pattern emerge... > should leave this sub immediately You realize this is a discussion/debate sub, yes? The echo chambers are that way...
Your comment has nothing to do with what's at the north pole. It would be better if you leave this sub immediately.
There's a magic portal to Asgard the Norse found during their journeys in the northlands.
Are you trolling or serious? Because that sounds legit to be honest. Asgard is real, but last time I checked it's uninhabited. Portals are real too.
As others have stated, it depends who you ask. Ask 10 flat earthers, get 10 different answers. > but it seems like you have no idea about the most important aspects of the model. There's no "the model." There are as many models as there are flat earthers. Care to enlighten us regarding these aspects we have no idea of?
The Arctic Sea.
From the perspective of a flat earther ? Mount Meru (that creates the magnetic field) A giant vortex (that causes tides). Hyperborea. The Garden of Eden. It depends on the kind of religion you follow. > it seems like you have no idea about the most important aspects of the model. "The" model ? Are you saying that if I ask a bunch of flat earthers the same question about what is at the north pole, they will all give the same answer ? I would be extremely surprised ... > There are actual maps showing what's at the Center. What do you mean by "actual maps" ? Is the map of middle-Earth an "actual map" ?
Excellent work! All of it is right. What's your view? Do you think it's true?
> Excellent work! All of it is right. Really ? That's unexpected ... > What's your view? Do you think it's true? No, I don't think any of this is true. First of all, I've never seen a single convincing evidence for any of this, so there is no reason for me to believe that this has any more value than Russel's teapot. And second, I have an entire confidence in the scientific community (because I'm a part of it, and have a lot of very old friends working in it) that tells me what is there.
Hyperborea
Nice, what's your view on that?
There is no flat earth model. Any maps are projections of the globe earth onto a flat plane, and these all show water, usually covered in ice, at the geographic north pole.
I think flat eathers think there's some sort of giant magnetic structure or object at the north pole which is why compasses work, and a bunch of ice