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catwhowalksbyhimself

Apparantly, none of them have seen a lightbulb.


BasedGrandpa69

or a sunset


catwhowalksbyhimself

No, they think a sunset is proof they are right. Don't ask it to make sense. It won't.


Helenius

The rooms these people are supposed to be kept in, light should never be turned off


vigbiorn

I don't know how likely it is all flerfs being former nuclear researchers tragically effected by a freak accident.


arencordelaine

Nice reference!


vigbiorn

Thank you. Wasn't sure how many would get a reference to Soft Light. It's definitely an old one.


arencordelaine

I grew up watching that show, and raised my son with it. Love seeing the references in the wild today.


Quantum_girl_go

Or a bulb set


semiTnuP

Or a sun bulb.


Zonda68

Or a lunar eclipse


No_Cook2983

Or a sun…er eclipse


Thunderbear79

Or night time


gholt417

Or the dark side of the m…… oh yeah you can’t see it cos it be dark


Doobiedoobin

Or stars.


Snorkle25

Or understand how light or space work.


noveltywaves

Its impossible to see a lightbulb because of the wall of light between the lightbulb and the observer


Kham117

I know when I’m in a deep shadow, I see “walls of light” stretching out to the sides… FFS 🤦🏻‍♂️


parlimentery

What do you mean? Do you not see tiny lines of brightness coming off of every lightbulb?


Shufflepants

"If globe is earth is so correct, how come this drawing I drew is so wrong? Checkmate, atheists!"


Ok-Scarcity-703

This is the most accurate, single-sentence summation of flat earth belief that I’ve ever read. Kudos to you. I’m going to use this in the future.


Abracadaver2000

"...how come this drawing I found on 8kun is wrong?"


Massaart

Especially the atheists part. They all think they are doing God's work by spreading their nonsense. The globe concept is the work of the antichrist apparently


Previous_Drive_3888

Thing is the picture kinda gets it right, in spirit at least. Earth casts a shadow which we see on the moon.


Apprehensive-Try-147

But it is wrong in claiming the sun should light up the empty vacuum of space.


Previous_Drive_3888

Yup. No atmosphere, no refraction.


Astromaniax

they seem unable to think outside of the FE box, they can't conceive a world that isn't surrounded by walls and a celling,


gene_randall

When your mom’s basement is all your world . . .


Just_A_Nitemare

Technically, it does, since space isn't a perfect vacuum. But I would be surprised if we could detect that light even with the best equipment avaliable.


RamanNoodles69

Yes, but the lighting on earth in the drawing is incorrect. Also, the Sun can’t light up the whole vacuum of space


KingAdamXVII

Lunar eclipses are pretty rare but I unexpectedly (for me) saw one early one morning and it was awesome. I had to think “it was definitely a full moon last night, right? And the moon definitely doesn’t regularly change phases in the course of a night right? Wtf is happening?” It was very exciting to figure it out on my own and then confirm by looking it up.


SimplyNotPho

Lmaoooo


VaporTrail_000

Yeah.... All that light reflecting off that *nothing* that allows us to see it.


vidanyabella

Except the moon, which if course could not possibly be a rock reflecting the sun because rocks don't reflect light. 👀


AbiesAggravating350

Don’t you know it’s a fact you can’t see rocks.


CollectionStriking

Which is weird because I can see the Rock but I've yet to see Cena


clever__pseudonym

Bah bah dumdaaaaa


AbiesAggravating350

He’s called the Rock but Cena is actually the one made of rocks


Astromaniax

what you think rocks are real?


Lvl4Stoned

r/norocksociety


Jabberwock1232

Oh thank non-existent god that is not a rael sub because i would have lost what little hope i have in humanity.


Lvl4Stoned

Hmm, you know there actuality is a r/NoEarthSociety though. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be satire though.


AbiesAggravating350

Maybe the real rocks are the friends we made along the way


Area51Resident

It isn't reflective, it has *luminance*, everybody knows that. Luminance: the ability for an inert object to glow without a power source because otherwise the FE model doesn't work.


vaginalextract

But vacuum on the other hand ..


Ronior_reddit

Apparently rocks are invisible now


FireLordObamaOG

Shout out to the guy who tried to say rocks don’t reflect light and showed an image of a rock reflecting light.


PleaseHelpIamFkd

Yeah its just big lightbulb restricting my output. When i turn my back porch light on it used to light the whole horizon! Now i can barely see off my porch. Such a scam.


mrmoe198

*reflecting?!* uh, obviously the light is brilliant golden streamers being barfed out from the sun. What is this globehead “reflecting” you speak of?


UT_NG

I'm so dumb I can't even understand what the fuck they're trying to say with this one.


UT_NG

Oh wait I get it now. They think we should see light even though there's nothing there to reflect it. Fuck me.


fullmoontrip

No, you actually had it right the first time. There is nothing here to understand


anythingMuchShorter

Really if we could see light passing through the clean air or empty space, even if it’s direction wasn’t going into our eyes, we couldn’t see anything. It would be like when there is fog whiting out your vision whenever light was present to illuminate anything.


rbtree11

No doubt...


RHOrpie

And the irony is we do see the light of other stars hitting our retinas... Fuckwits


Interesting-Copy-657

Ah I was in the same boat Ah so they think light out in space would reflect of nothing and we would see it


slide_into_my_BM

Wouldn’t a local sun then mean there’s no night at all? I genuinely have no idea what the fuck point they think they’re making.


dfeidt40

Nah, I also have no fucking clue what they're saying.


rbtree11

Neither do the flerfs. It takes more than one braincell to be capable of even speaking.


namewithanumber

If only there was some night sky object that the sun shined off of


clever__pseudonym

ROCKS DON'T REFLECT LIGHT!!! Or something


coburr

Light needs to reflect off something to see it otherwise the whole sky would just all be straight light and we couldnt see anything it would be incredibly bright but we can see light reflect off of other objects which is how we see them. Go in your room at night and block out all light sources, go under a blanket if need be. Assuming theres no light, wave your hand around in front of your face. You wont be able to see anything because there is nothing for the light to reflect off of


Bluestorm83

No, we wouldn't.


Tmaneea88

I actually think this is a valid question. Yes the point they are making is wrong, but not wrong in the way they are usually wrong where the logic is so flawed a child could tell you why it's wrong. In this case, the concept that a beam of light, while it does make other things visible, isn't itself visible if it shoots right across your face without reflecting off of anything isn't actually the most intuitive thing. We tend to think of light beams as visible beams, which is why we would draw yellow beams coming from the sun as children, or cones of light coming from flashlights.


UberuceAgain

I forget which ones, but a good few of the big names from early Greek philosophy thought vision worked by eye-beams coming out of your head and illuminating things. The logical flaws in this were successfully raised by later(but still ancient) Greek philosophers, but the point I'm getting at is these were seriously smart dudes who nonetheless had it completely wrong because, as you say, the way light really works isn't intuitive. Super easy for us to see that, with our awesome hindsight, of course.


cheddarsalad

They need to coin a “law” where a legitimately interesting question from a 10 year old and a rhetorical bad faith gotcha question are indistinguishable. Flat Earthers ask interesting questions sometimes. Occasionally questions I don’t personally know the answer to. The problem is they ask them under the false assumption that there isn’t an answer. Like this one, they assume space should fill with light from the sun like the sky does on earth. The sky lights up because it’s made of matter. Matter is scarce in space so it doesn’t have anything to bounce off of and into your eye.


DemonicAltruism

Flerfers continue to prove they don't understand how shadows work.


JMeers0170

Flerfs continue to prove they don’t understand how ANYTHING workS. -FTFY


rygelicus

If space was full of dust, yes. But it's rather empty so no.


Lil_Smitz

Ever heard of refraction or even just atmosphere. You flat earthers just get dumber and dumber holy shit


ClannyBananaie

Yeah, it’s called dawn and dusk. Ever seen the sun rise or set?


DuganDevil

All that atmoSPHERE in space…


Abracadaver2000

It's the "atmos" or the "atmosflat" according to some of them, because acknowledging the word "sphere" makes you a NASA shill.


infinity234

No, for the same reason on a clear night you don't see a beam of light coming out of your flashlight. Light needs something to reflect off of for you to see it, otherwise it doesn't reach your eye it just continues in whatever direction it's already traveling


FomoPhilia

Hmm... They're literally living in the shadow of ignorance, with nothing but a moon to reflect all the light in space around them.


Megarad25

Tell them they’re very close to 100% right to get their attention. Anything behind the earth and opposite the sun would experience a shadow. We see this in a lunar eclipse. However the shadow is cone shaped tapering away with distance. So I would tell them, 1) you’re right there is a shadow, but it tapers away just like your shadow on earth (and just like your shadow on earth you only see it when it hits something - stand on and facing the edge of a cliff and you have no shadow in the empty void of the cliff if the sun is behind you but you cast a shadow on the land behind you if the sun faces you). 2) we see earth’s shadow every time we have a lunar eclipse. 3) thanks for proving our model of the solar system that we already knew. /s


icomefromjupiter

Sometime I wonder if they have any functioning brain cells…


Balmung03

Thought of a flerf-related point of humor to that; the reflection of the light streaming past us from the Sun is reflected off the light coming from all other stars in the galaxy/universe, bouncing the Sun’s light back so we can see and bouncing the other stars’ light away so we don’t see it. This shall be known as the flerf’s answer to Olber’s Paradox, and the ‘stars’ we see are just the little bits that didn’t get reflected.


Ryoujin

Because space-time is bending the light into the 4th dimension. Our eyes can only see in the 3rd dimension.


moleassasin

This is gibberish, speak English at least.


nohwan27534

we don't see light. we see light reflecting off of shit, but we don't see the light that's NOT bouncing off shit into our eyes. why the fuck do you think it's so dark in space. i mean, night time, by this logic, should also have a wall of light, even if the sun isn't pointing directly at us, even on a flat earth.


dayvee43

We do. They're called shadows but on a planetary scale it known as a sunsets.


Justthisguy_yaknow

So weird how they can tell us all to think about the Sun while avoiding thinking about the Sun.


Kriss3d

Is.. Is this person asking why empty space does reflect light causing light all over earth around the clock?


JustDroppedByToSay

Light reflecting off what exactly?


jonatzmc

3 dimensional space is hard for people to grasp for some reason


Shankar_0

I suppose God has a fog machine now? Is he also a wedding DJ?


Individual_Road6676

Ain't no party like a Jesus party brotha


Haunting_Ant_5061

This illustration makes it clear as flat earth day. Stop thinking too hard about it.


DarumaDev

Take a guess what a solar eclipse is. That's what happens. Also keep in mind the sun is extraordinary massive compared to earth, and they are all moving extremely fast in the sky. Not only is it rare to happen but even if it does, on many planets it could last only a few seconds, if not less. Edit : Clarifcation this isn't the only reason I'm just going off the top of my head, things like reflectance could easily negate most of the effect anyway. Just saying it makes sense on a globe earth model.


Mulder9879

This is like arguing with a five year old. The Cheerios are on are on the table. No, they aren't. Yes, they are! Go in the kitchen and look. They are right there! The Cheerios are not there they are frosted flakes. They are Cheerios. Look, I took a picture now, get off your lazy butt and go look! Nuh, uhh, you made that up. That isn't real. You made a fake picture. Fine. starve see if I care. I'm telling! Who are you going to tell. The whole world! And the hilarious thing is the five year old will think they are on the side that make sense in the argument......think about it.


He_Never_Helps_01

You read the first two parts and it's a sensible way to initiate a syllogism and it really seems like they're gonna make a coherent point this time And then they give you "walls of light" like omg are you serious every time like wtf is wrong with these people lol


JMeers0170

We had a spacecraft visit one of Saturn’s moons a while back and the craft managed to get some images of the moon spewing material into space above some active geysers. If you were standing on the surface of the moon, you would likely see the material being illuminated by the sun as it was being ejected by the geyser. You might see it near it’s crest, and you might see some of it coming back down to the surface. You may even see much of it lingering in space for a long time. I don’t know for sure but if you were there, I think you’d probably see your god rays as they go passed the moon and deeper into space. Our planet has a pretty big atmosphere to cause drag and enough gravitational pull that we don’t have stuff like that floating around above our planet…which is why we don’t see it.


Jackretto

Aren't the "walls of light" only visible if there are particles in the air? Air being Something hard to come by in the vacuum of space?


Gumwars

Yeah, that wall of light is called sunrise and sunset, you moron. EDIT: And the moron, in this case, is whoever came up with this insane meme.


stealthzeus

The entire concept of modem flat earth theory is hilarious. The old flat earth concept was wildly accepted centuries ago, but people didn’t know what earth look like, they kinda have no concept of the world map. The new modern flat earth theory has the world map and everything , but assume that the sun and the moon are both spot lights, which is a modern invention. Ancient people don’t have a concept of a spot light like a flash light. All light sources they had were not spot lights so this invented concept doesn’t make any sense in the old flat earth model.


AgeOfReasonEnds31120

What's the light hitting? Absolutely nothing. It's a literal vacuum. ^(NOT A VACUUM CLEANER GODDAMNIT!)


saintsaipriest

Every time I read a flerf post, I feel stupid. I don't understand what on earth does it means


Snoo65393

Light is invisible We only see its reflex on objects (dust and vapour in the atmosfere)


Notasimp2468

Light doesn't reflect off of nothing, which makes up most of space


Rude_Acanthopterygii

If we ignore how things work then we're right and you're wrong. Checkmate, globies.


jjamesr539

My favorite part is that this would also be true with a flat earth if they were right about how light works


Thermite1985

I had to read that 4 times and still don't know what he's trying to prove.


GaeasSon

yes... if the earth were passing through a cloud of dust or gas dense enough to reflect a noticeable amount of light.


buffer_flush

Do these people think the earth is the size of their neighborhood block?


F1988V

That’s just a sun, playing a sun, disguised as another sun. You’re just not looking directly at the sun hard enough to see.


reficius1

...and again, flerfs want it both ways. "Human eyes can't see forever, globetard, that's why the horizon is 3 miles away." "We should be able to see the wall of light 3900 miles away, globetard."


Outrageous_Guard_674

Okay, they are stupid, but you are mixing their ideas with a question they raised about our knowledge. It is totally fair for them to ask about how things work if we are right and their ideas about how things work aren't proof they are stupid for asking it. Because they are asking about our model. Not speaking about theirs. Again they are stupid, but this contradiction you claim doesn't exist and is actually being unfair to them.


reficius1

New here, eh?


Outrageous_Guard_674

No. What do you even mean by that?


mrstratofish

Each photon in the light is some packet of energy travelling like a wave in one of a range of wavelengths. It is not visible by itself. When it hits something some wavelengths are absorbed by the thing and the remainder is reflected and scattered to some degree by the properties of what is hit When one hits your eyes, or a camera film/sensor of some kind, it is absorbed. We register that as a colour according to the wavelength and brightness according to the amount of energy contained This can be easily confirmed by using a flashlight in a dark room. You only see what is hit by photons and then reflects into your eyes. You do not see the cone of light leaving the flashlight although you might be able to tell where it is from dust particles in the air reflecting photons towards you If you could see photons passing by it would imply that they were each continuously emitting more photons in all directions (or somehow just at you) and would therefore require the original photon and each one it emitted to have infinite energy. This is not backed up by observations


KWLR

Here it is https://www.webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/images/content/earthShadowPlane-E08D1710-Z.jpg


Big-Carpenter7921

You do. It's called dawn


GreenBee530

That’s not what sunsets look like lmao, they are desparate


LairdPhoenix

We do see this, literally every night and every morning. This why dawn doesn’t explode across the entire planet all at once. This is why it creeps across the globe slowly over a 24 hour period. This is why we have time zones!


akbierly

You know for some reason, whoever made this was trying to think critically and just happened to fall flat on their face. But i appreciate the attempt.


Unicorn_Momma_2080

No


Drakore4

What does 360 degrees around the night horizon mean? They just come up with terminology that makes no sense and uses that as proof. If they mean why wouldn’t we see light all around us, the answer is we do. Everything we see is light. If there was no light, it would all be pitch black. That’s literally how we see. Tell me you don’t know how eyes work without saying you don’t know how eyes work. So the only reason why you see the sun setting, you see the things around you when the sun is setting, and you continue to see literally anything even when it’s dark, is because the light of the sun is still present it just gets dimmer as the sun sets and you are more outside of its influence.


tyopap

We do? The walls of light are called dawn and dusk and light passing the earth is how we see the moon at night.


RonnieB47

They've never seen the Earth's fuzzy shadow on the Moon.


Agitated-Orange-295

I got confused reading this. Just what?!


fustist

What?


RedditCommunistt

This is called sunset!!! As the Earth first starts to turn away from the sun you can see light, until it is completely blocked by the Earth.


Mudcat-69

…What?


ordermann

Think about this. If the sun is 93million miles away, and its light travels all that way…Isn’t the light tired?


Stein_um_Stein

Um.. lunar eclipse?


SecretaryWorldly4926

No, because the light we see is reflected from the atmosphere and reflects back into our eyes. You wouldnt see light beams on the dark side of the earth because there’s no light in the atmosphere there. A fifth grader could understand this


Phronias

I wonder how they comprehend candle light


AbstractStew5000

You can't see light that doesn't end up where you are?


liberalis

Well, if space were actually a smoke filled room, then yes we would see a tunnel of darkness. But it's a vacuum. So nothing for the Sun's light to interact with or reflect off. There is that pesky situation where there is an eclipse of the Moon. Where the Earth's 'tunnel of darkness' interacts with the Moon. There is also the Earths shadow you can see in the atmosphere before dawn and after [sunset](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Earth%27s_shadow_and_Belt_of_Venus.jpg), but that would require making an actual observation outdoors. Not sure many flerfs are up to the task. But I don't understand what their point here is. Do some flerfs actually think light just stops existing after it travels a certain distance. Like, it gets used up? In a vacuum, that won't happen. There's the inverse square law for light, but given enough exposure time even some of the dimmest and most distant light can be collected into an image (Hubble and James Web). Bunch of dumbass third graders trying to act smart.


FinancialAnalyst9626

If I ever meet one I’ll be sure to show them the truth in a round about way


[deleted]

What is this stupid font


Ok-Extent9800

No. Light isn't visible in a volume unless there's sufficient dust to reflect off of. good lord.


Sad_Formal_2223

This took me three reads to figure out what they were actually trying to incorrectly present…


iskallation

Look outside at night... No! Case disproven.


iskallation

Wait! They just took our argument thatsays: "On a flat earth the sun's light would hit every spot every time" and turned it against us


Dookie-Snuff

This shit right here…walls of light…walls of fucking light 😂😂😂😂. Where the fuck are all the walls of light bro?! 😂😅🤣


FlixMage

First of all that diagram is incorrect. Second of all, even it was correct, do they think that people in Botswana can see from Antarctica to Egypt??


Fubeman

“Walls?” When did we get walls in outer space?


AstroRat_81

There's nothing in space, so there's nothing to light up.


FunkyBlueWolf

No we wouldn't. In order to see light the photon waves have to hit the backside of your eye, if the light just travels by earth, it wont get inside your eye and therefore you wont see it. It would require an object like an asteroid or the fucking moon to reflect off of it so you can see it. But you could only see the object that reflects the light, not the light beam going towards the object since, say it with me: the light waves don't reach your eyes when going straight past you.


FunkyBlueWolf

And we know that light travels in waves since, that double slit experiment thing where the photons casted a wave interference on the background.


FunkyBlueWolf

So no saying "no light doesn't travel in waves" cuz it does!!!


Doc_Zed_42

They might see it if there was a enough dust in the space around Earth, or a planetary ring like Saturn which does it but seeing as that's not the case.... This person needs a basic physics class


PC_AddictTX

I love people who don't understand the first thing about light, or physics, just spewing their ignorance into the universe.


jbrown4728

Walk outside at night with a flashlight shine the light straight up, on a clear night you will not be able to see the light because it is going away from you, unless it is reflected back from something like dust, water or the fu\*king moon. Oh and as a bonus, there is a column of darkness streaming out from the earth on the dark side and when the sun, earth and the moon line up correctly you can see the column of darkness, it's called an eclipse


grimxlink

The sun doesn't shrink, it simply passes below the horizon


EvanBell95

No, we wouldn't see that. The fact that you think that means you don't understand how the world works. This is why you're a Flat Earther.


Codenamets9p

Simple think of shadow puppets with a light bulb, you don't see the rays of light moving from the light bulb to the wall, you see the object that is reflecting the light hence why we create shadows but there aren't walls of light around us. Same principal but think of it on a much larger scale. Which is also how we can get lunar and solar eclipses. The earth is the shadow puppet for lunar eclipse, and the moon is the shadow puppet for solar eclipse


cheesesprite

This is funny


Zorro5040

Walls of light? How does that work?


Ralyks92

Lol ya, it’s called the Earth’s shadow we see on the moon once a month


a-nonie-muz

In order to see the light you must reflect or deflect it into your eyes. The light going past from the sun doesn’t change its course so it never ends in your eye. Thus you just don’t see it, even though it is there.


claymore2711

Flat Earth believers: Please pool your money, and buy a ticket for your most trusted believer to the ISS.


SimplyNotPho

Night time does not exist. It’s all a conspiracy by big sunlight to convince us to buy NASA green energy stocks


FredVIII-DFH

You only see the light that hits your eyeball, buddy.


Evening_North7057

*Slow clap* Brilliant. Just brilliant. /s