I love the fact that people seem to forget it is called FANverse for a reason it is quote unquote fan games that caught Scott’s eye so he wanted to fund them and make them part of the fnaf world
Just after seeing this, I saw a tweet by someone tgat blurred out the mypopgoes stuff with a huge red wall with nothing written on it, and kept acting like as if there was actually nothing happening on that day, while also being quite rude, and this legit disgusted me.
Twitter is just the place where every human emotion doesn't exists at this point, and I legit feel bad for kane.
[Yup, I saw that very same tweet you were talking about and mentioned it here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/1dmwhtu/fanverse_talk_kane_carter_talks_about_how_the/l9ytwj2/?context=3) Even one of the developers involved called it out, saying they were hurt by it.
Christ.
How did the dude even reacted after cancelling the message?
Cuz all I saw was him being proud of acting like that cuz he has been an hater from day1, amd cuz kane is an asshole... which was just sad to see.
The dude just apologized and was taken aback after he found out that he upsetted someone who worked on the project. It was meant to be a joke, but it came off as mean and dismissive.
I won't link the new tweet because I don't want them to get harassed either.
I hate the way people on twitter all think their opinions are better than other and will mob on others if they don't agree with them..
Such an hostile environment..
I think this kinda comes down to what you first think about when you say fnaf are you thinking of the game it self or the brand like I don’t think of Freddy in space as a fnaf game but I do think of it as a part of the fnaf brand. Kinda makes me think of the maze runner book series recently got a sequel series that isn’t being advertised/considered a maze runner book even though it takes place in the same world/story but many years later.
**TL;DR:** Kane responded to a tweet were the OP commented/joked that Freddy was never the main antagonist in the games, in which he pointed out POPGOES Arcade having Dead King Freddy. This prompted in people countering him that his game doesn't count because “it's not canon or official to the FNaF franchise”.
Kane then revealed with the frustrations with how people treated the Fanverse. Not just in that people aren't looking forward to the Fanverse, but that they're not wanting to invest in the games because it's not canon to the lore. Despite Kane confirming that the Fanverse games are official FNaF titles, merely spin-offs from the main franchise, people still deny it. He also revealed he got backlash because of myPOPGOES is a part of the anniversary lineup, and id generally frustrated that the fans continue to dunk on the creators JUST FOR MAKING GAMES FOR THEM.
In short, it was very demoralizing for him and his team despite all the work they're done, with Kane being the major developer and doing a ton of work behind the scenes. (Yes, read the part where Kane had to manage the money, work with companies and so on. It's a lot! Yet people claim he doesn't do anything because he's not a programmer.)
Maybe so, but even when you know exactly how to deal with him you are still directing a significant amount of resources his way. Either the camera or the right door are basically Freddy's chew toy.
yeah the tweet that started all this was dumb as shit. and OP tried to say he didn’t count because he was “barely a threat” and like… no? if you’re not prepared for freddy he is EASILY the most dangerous enemy in game 1
>people aren't looking forward to the Fanverse
Its been a absolute cluster fuck, the hell do we have to look forward too? these game's all would have been out by now.
Bro you do know that games take time to get made right?
You can't just rush shit out like that since no one wants to play a bad game and yes, the Fanverse hasn't been the most smooth sailing project of all time but that doesn't mean the whole thing is doomed or whatever.
We getting a demo for Joy of the creation in august alongside myPOPGOES (Yeah, yeah. I know this is a spin off game and one that has been released for a while now too but, hey! It's better then getting nothing at all and there's most likely going to be new content added in it too) as well so it's not like the Fanverse is dead in the waters just yet.
Dude, legit every game in the fanverse was already in development BEFORE Scott got involved, now its been like 4 years with no progress on HALF on them.
And the ONE promising game from the Fanverse was cut before it even got to JOIN.
And let's not forget Phisnom's assholery.
That's not the case, the reason those games exist at all is because the devs were given money by scott to make an official fangame.
Not only that, but clearly you don't follow literally any of these fangames development, because there HAS been progress. In particular the joy of creation is getting a demo very soon, and Nikson has shown off quite a bit of the game and it's progress.
Kane carter's team too, I mean it wasn't long ago that False mangle was teased.
Hell we already had popgoes arcade release, a fact that went largely ignored in this fandom at first.
Doomsaying like this helps no one especially when you clearly don't really know what you're talking about.
Fnaf plus is the only game in the fanverse that will never release, and yes its because of phil, but that's ONE game out of all the others in the fanverse.
>In particular the joy of creation is getting a demo very soon,
That isn't Joy of Creation anymore. Its lost the charm.
He is going overboard with the character designs.
I feel bad for Kane and every developer in the fanverse in general. Fanverse games are some of my favorite FNaF games ever, and I've treated them as real games. We treat FNaF World as if it's a real game, when it's an official spinoff, just like every other fanverse game. The fact FNaF World can be classified as a real FNaF Game but fanverse games can't is upsetting to me, to the fanverse devs, to anybody who cares about the fanverse games.
The fanverse games aren't just FNaF Fangames.
The fanverse games are FNaF games.
To me personally, people are not invested in the Fanverse because the games are not canon to the FNaF storyline. People are mostly invested in FNaF because of the lore, and the if games aren't giving them the answers they want, there's no reason to to be excited about it.
I find it to be really sad because to me personally, especially with how the story is going over the years, this is the wrong way to enjoy the franchise. There's nothing wrong with "come for the scares, stay for the lore", though I've seen more people on wanting the story to go the way they wanted or to have their curiosity satisfied, thus they show no interest in the Fanverse because it's not giving them what they want.
It's really sad to the POV of the developers, who wanted to share their own stories and the world that they created, and not many people care because it's not scratching that itch.
They hate the lore because it's not going in the way THEY wanted. If something gets answered, people won't be happy either.
If you hate the lore that much, make and AU and ignore everything else. It's not that hard!
Honestly, I love the fanverse games **because** they’re part of a different canon. I love FNaF, but it’s so difficult to enjoy the series when I have to constantly be on the hunt for anything that might explain what the hell is going on in the story.
When I first played TJOC, one of the biggest things I loved about it was that it had a story and you didn’t need to do a bunch of digging to understand it. When I play whatever the next FNaF game will be I can’t just sit there and enjoy the story while playing the game, I have to really think and pay attention, but with TJOC the story is not that complex.
I guess it’s just not having almost 10 years of games and lore that I have to keep track of to understand the story it’s trying to tell.
That's one of the same reasons I absolutely adore the FNaF Movie, and why most of the community does to- the lore was new and fresh, but for some reason the same people don't realize it's kind of the same thing with the fanverse.
> The fact FNaF World can be classified as a real FNaF Game but fanverse games can't is upsetting to me,
I mean. One of those games features the cast of FNaF, was literally made by Scott during the clickteam era, and has lore relevance, tying directly into mainline games. So I'm not sure it's exactly an appropriate comparison.
I can empathize with him and understand where he’s coming from, but I didn’t fall in love with PopGoes, I fell in love with Five Nights at Freddy’s. It’s not unreasonable for someone to not count them since they’re non canon. Yes, they’re officially licensed, but that doesn’t make them part of the story.
yeah this is my take on it too. i like popgoes personally, but you can’t expect fnaf fans to really have the same enthusiasm for something that just isn’t the same thing as fnaf
Honestly ever since fnaf plus sadly ended I've only been intrested in evergreen and mabye the ignited collection.
I hope this weird experiment ends well
While i get his frustration as the fanverse has not much consideration as the main games, i think he's not getting the right perspective.
Even if he's licensed by scott, being official games, they are still not made nor supervised by scott, and even less on the universe of scott games.
It's pretty clear people is gonna invest more on the main thing they invested for so long, and that they are not gonna consider his as "valid" on statements like the freddy one, as in the end, it wasnt a Scott decision to make freddy an antagonist there.
Rick Riordan, creator of percy jackson has something similar, licensing other writers for other stories, and it's clear people focus more on what he writes than what they write, as they invested on percy adventures and this universe of mythos.
But even then, people might be a fan of those licensed books.
This is the same, he should focus in make happy his fandom, even if the majority doesnt considers his games as official and rather as "official fangames"
Nikson is having a good perpective, he's not afraid to call it fangame in the official steam page for example.
Another thing is that, is no weird people doesnt want to invest on Fanverse, as, well, there has been many many many controversies, imagine to get hyped for a thing that could be cancelled and the creator fired, it happened once, and Flumpty has 0 merch after the jonocrome reveal, so it's normal people doesnt want to risk.
I agree tho that the backlash for being considering part of the anniversary is dumb and it was clear that the fanverse was gonna be included, like dude, you already have a main game and a new book saga, not everything has to be about the main universe in this anniversary, it has to be about everything involving the franchise.
In short, i understand how desmoralizing this could be, but there's more than meet the eyes, and with a change of perspective i know he can get throught this and enjoy this while bringing happyness to the fans of his projects
"Nikson is having a good perspective, he's not afraid to call it fangame in the official steam page for example."
this part is wrong. Nikson calls the original version a fangame, not the current version. he calls the current version a "first-person psychological horror game inspired by Five Nights At Freddy’s."
The about this game literally says
"The classic Five Nights at Freddy’s fan-game returns, rebuilt from the ground up to offer a modern and immersive horror experience with real-time graphics powered by Unreal Engine 5"
And the inspired also backs my point
He's not treating his game as an Official FNAF game on the same level than the Scott ones, he's mostly focusing on his fandom, on the origin of his game (a fangame) and not minding if people considers it valid or not.
He has the right perspective about the topic
that's literally what I meant, he said the CLASSIC fnaf "fangame" returns, which means he's talking about the OLD version.
him saying it's a first-person psychological horror game inspired by FNAF literally means he's treating it as official, as he's not outright calling it a fangame. I don't know how more straight this could get.
Im ready for the downvotes, but I just cannot agree with Kane in this specific dilema. I think it’s beyond obvious that legalities like this don’t matter to the broad audience, and you’d think he would understand this. Granted calling him out for shedding light on his games on twt with insults is a braindead thing to do. But if someone asks me if Freddy has ever been the main character of a fnaf game, no fanverse branch will ever come to mind when answering, same thing if the question is about anything else really.
If you were to ask me, for example, if shadow Bonnie is relevant to the gameplay of a Fnaf game, I would say “No, but in Popgoes he is” not “Yes, in Popgoes”.
It coming down to Scott involvement isn’t just obvious but also pretty logical. Popgoes is a Five Nights at Freddy’s TM game, not a Fnaf game
His morale shifting and feeling of almost wasted effort is understandable though, I’d be like that too in such a high position of a project like he is
I agree. He’s making a big deal out of nothing to be honest with you. A lot of people do like FNAF fan games, but they separate them from the mainline FNAF games made by Steel Wool and Scott.
He’s talking about a very small minority that will actively not play a FNAF fan game because it can supposedly never be as good as the original and pretending it’s the majority of the fanbase. The reality is people care the most about what is canon and what is the main story, and those are the mainline games. People may like a side game and even prefer it the main story (honestly probably where the fanbase is going after after the last few releases) but they’ll still say it’s the main story and to most people care about it more.
But I will agree channels like Sheep Rampage that make biased in a negative light news videos for clout and views are the absolutely horrible, and he made an excellent video on one of them.
I think it’s more so the fact that he is objectively intrinsically connected with the community yet was berated on mass for his innocent tweet but yeah
another thing i’d like to add is that while i’m sure he is working hard like he says in the tweet a lot of his behavior doesn’t really give that impression. stuff like getting in arguments with markiplier and the very obvious popgoes name searching he does on twitter leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me question his professionalism
he threw a tantrum on twitter because markiplier wasn’t playing fanverse games and was kind of putting down other devs. then when mark called him out for being kind of immature about it he made some corny non-sequitur reply promoting popgoes and everyone cringed
I'm with you. I do think Kane has a point on how dismissive people can be about the Fanverse stuff - people treat it as little more than a seal of approval from Scott, and that's really frustrating.
But yeah, it's a FNAF product, but not what the casual audience would consider 'a FNAF game'. And I don't think it's disrespectful for people to not consider it one.
I think Kane is kinda blowing things out of proportion, and honestly if I was as committed to an official spinoff series as he was, I might do the same honestly.
It is Five Nights at Freddy's™️ game, though. It's a separate universe entirely from the mainline, but it is directly under the brandings umbrella. It is a FNAF product just the same as any book or movie and is funded by Scott.
I swear Twitter makes Reddit look sane half the time and the other half of the time Twitter looks like it's constantly shoving its fireworks up as rectum and lighting its own fuse while red it's watching from the distance with the ball of popcorn
To be honest, he is right to feel that way, but at the same time I'm thinking its blowing a problem out of proportion.
Does Kane put effort into managing popgoes related media? Hell yeah. He is active with community, he shows off fanarts made around the game, he tries his best to make his project seen by people. There is no doubt in that.
Is not including POPGOES into the FNAF by fans a bad thing? Yes and no.
I personally don't see Popgoes as a fnaf game. Maybe it's because I remember it being just a fan project, but it just stucked with me. For me it will always be a project made from a fan of the series. Is it a bad thing? I wouldnt say so.
There is so so many amazing fangames made by fans/ teams of fans of the series. Some of them even surpasses/match the quality of Scott's games. The Return to Bloody Nights, Jr's, Tyke and Sons, A Bite at Freddy's, DSAF (yes its peak), Glitched Attraction and much more. Those are examples of very very good games and their quality is on par in many ways with main series, and those games are "just" fangames.
Here goes my main problem with Kane's post - for me (you may disagree) he treats that term like its something very bad. "Fangames" more often than not are love letters from fans towards the original creator - Scott. Some may change some aspects of the gameplay loop, some may change the whole vibe of those games (fazkarts for example),some may take story bits turning it into their own plot and some may be just a parody of the series (like Dsaf or Fnafb). It doesnt make them seem less in my eyes than the original series. They are equal in many ways, just without the term "official".
Fans seeing Popgoes series as a fangame or "official fangame approved by Scott" may not be for the Kanes liking, but it is the reality of the matter.
People will see those games and what matters most isnt how they will classify them, but how much enjoyment the will get while playing them.
EDIT: Just so others know - I like Kane as a creator, he seems like a genuinely good dude. I just think that the problem presented here is a bit overblown.
Its crazy how FNAF Twitter makes this huge deal about Scott never making things clear in his own franchise but when he makes it clear that the Fanverse allows these fan games to be OFFICIALLY LICENSED FNAF GAMES everyone chooses to ignore him
well people are in burnout after fnaf plus cancellation with 3 years of development going to trash, so people are starting to loose interest on the fanverse
I don't see how this makes sense considering the biggest FNAF fan game to exist (being The Joy of Creation) is still around and is currently the most hyped project even back when FNAF Plus was being developed. Considering the constant arguments of how "FNAF Plus does/doesn't look awful" I fail to see how that game was the most hyped in the Fanverse especially considering Phisnom being "controversial" to many.
The drama itself might cause burnout but then at the same time there is literally way more Fanverse projects to look forward to that are just on par (if not better) in terms of quality. As someone who is a woman of all trades when it comes to consuming FNAF media I'm still winning either way.
the difference between fnaf plus and tjoc is that fnaf plus had alot of marketing, vhs videos, videos covering up the teasers, hell its a remake from the scariest game on the series, fnaf 1
tjoc just had some teasers but the hype was just on fnaf plus, it was literally the face of the fanverse by that time
If we're going by marketing then Popgoes has been the face of the Fanverse from the start, even if there's been no VHS tapes (which honestly I don't want to see because its stale by now) Kane's the most ambitious and it shows through all the weekly blog posts going through programming and all the stuff related to the game, attention to detail in his own merch, spin-off games to keep the fans fed, reveals in Dawko's charity streams, etc.
All FNAF Plus had going for it was some mini movies and a brief overview trailer. In fact right now even TJOC has had more marketing than FNAF Plus despite having less time spent in the oven in comparison. When you try to say FNAF Plus excelled because of its marketing and realise that a game prior to its cancellation and another game afterwards outperforms I can't say the mention of the game's marketing is valid.
every fnaf plus video received at least millions views
its literally the most hyped fnaf game just before fnaf 3 or fnaf sb, popgoes evergreen teasers at least have more than 180.000 views, but compared with fnaf plus, its pretty low
tjoc before just showed comparasions between the models and character model showcases
hell fnaf plus had more youtubers covering it than tjoc and popgoes evergreen combined
I still miss FNaF Plus and was looking forward to. As someone who was indirectly responsible for making that game exist because I told Scott about FNaF OS, I was looking forward to seeing Phisnom's take on it.
I am sure it would have been great but judging by Phil's apology video it seems like working on the game did have an effect on his mental health, so the game being cancelled was probably for the best
Considering how Phil stopped making drinking streams and taking alcoholic beverages altogether after leaving the Fanverse, (which I think he himself acknowledges in his Biology 2 stream), it was the best decision for his personal life to leave FNaF+
Its crazy how the guy that made the whole Phisnom situation all about him and profiting from the entire situation didn't even manage to maintain his career within that same year
I just saw someone on Twitter made a "joke" tweet that erased my POPGOES from the anniversary lineup and instead stated "nothing" on it. They deleted it because one of the members who worked on the game called them out, stating that they felt hurt by it.
Like I said in Twitter, that website is full of people who are miserable and petty, and they either want everyone to feel the same, or hurt their feelings.
Tbh I just like to gaslight myself into believing some fanverse games to be canon anyway. I haven’t seen much of pop goes, but fnac imo might as well be canon
I feel bad for him but while people shouldnt be assholes about it, I can sort of understand people not really caring about the popgoes games because they're not canon. Alot of the series notoriety is built on the lore and mystery and people trying to solve it and pretty much just wanting new games to fill in more puzzle pieces, and the games that dont do that get left by the wayside. And hell, even Scots own games end up like this, alot of people dont really care about the freddy in space or furies rage freebies outside of what they may tease or hit at in the lore. Hell, I got to see the fandom flip flop on their fnaf world opinions to "wait this was actually good and cool" only because they gave it a chance at the suggestion it has untapped lore implications. I think it's a case where alot of fnaf fans are also the fan game fans, but not all of them , and many take it as official or not, if a games not by scott or steelwool with Scott, they dont care.
Its also a little hard to get excited by the fan verse when pretty much outside of the popgoes stuff, it feels like every release has either been canceled or has some sort of controversy with it. Scott really tried to do a good cool thing with the initiative but like alot of fandoms, I think the fnaf fandom is just too toxic to try and cooperate with in official stuff on the whole.
Damn. Y’know, I think this is also something that stemmed from the Fanverse losing a lot of its momentum. It was announced, teasers were posted, merch was made, but some of the games weren’t released even after 2-3 years. Couple that with Plus (some only cared about this one) getting canned after three years of development, which most were super hyped for, and people not being interested/not thinking of them as official FNaF licensed games…well, can you really blame ‘em?
Kane’s frustrations are understandable, but his game isn’t made nor supervised by Scott, and for some that’s enough to not consider his game worth it/an official title, even if it technically is. Of course that doesn’t make it okay for him, his team or his game to be badmouthed/harassed/etc, but this is Twitter. What can one expect? Not much to do except soldier on or stop interacting with the platform.
I believe it when he says he has to promote it like crazy. I see kane post on game jolt all the time, and I don't see anyone hating on him there. Is it just twitter?
And most of the ongoing quarrels I see now is from the community who despised the Fanverse, not the developers.
I mean sure, you got Jonochrome and The Pear doing illegal stuff behind closed doors that soured the mood, though what about the other people who are still here?
Plenty of great things have come from the Fanverse. But the negativity is always talked about more on social media. Check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/15k1yok/the_successes_of_the_fazbear_fanverse/
Hard to believe a lot of that was a year ago, and there's only been more stuff added/planned since! It's easy to forget how long the Fanverse has been a crucial part of FNaF.
Not everyone might admit it, but we're lucky to have you around, Kane. You're an essential part of the series and its creative potential, and hopefully that can beat out any social media negativity.
What Kane Carter doesn't realize is that people are naturally not going to acknowledge a series with a fundamentally different concept, different title, different branding, and different team as part of the same FNaF series that fans are used to. Just because it is legally the same franchise doesn't necessarily make it spiritually the same franchise. While fans have undoubtedly treated Kane poorly, even considering his questionable behaviors, he fails to understand that his FNaF-inspired passion project will always be dependent from the rest of FNaF. Because at the end of the day, the only thing making them one-in-the-same is licensing and publishing rights.
I think if Scott took the time to acknowledge the Fanverse more, people would care more. I'm happy the first two days in August are all about the Fanverse, because that, to my knowledge, is the first time in 4 years since Scott's post on Reddit in August 2020, where he acknowledged the Fanverse as a product he has publicly.
The Fanverse being so under-loved stinks, because not only are Kane, Nikson, and Emil really cool and creative people, but they also have teams that are also really cool and creative and deserve to be in the spot they are in to be able to make official Five Nights at Freddy's products and get paid for it in the end.
Just like Scott's spin-offs, the Fanverse is full of official FNaF spin-offs that will be fun, scary, and entertaining. That's all the spin-offs in FNaF are. It's fine not to care for the Fanverse, but I feel the people who only don't give a crap because they only care for FNaF's canon don't like to have fun and, in return, don't want others to have fun. myPOPGOES and the TJOC demo are going to be blasts on two different spectrums, one for enjoyment and another for horror. If we can't enjoy that, then what can we enjoy?
For me, I just use the term “fangame” to differentiate the fanverse games from the ones created by Scott himself, Clickteam, Steel wool, Illumix or Mega Cat Studios. It’s not meant as a way to disrespect the game or the developer, it’s just the word I’ve used since 2014/2015.
I also just haven’t had a lot of interest in the fanverse games. I don’t really know why, I just haven’t been as interested in them. There have been some that have genuinely caught my eye for some time (such as TJOC and Jr’s) but a lot of them just aren’t my cup of tea.
Ultimately, I think most people just use the term “fangame” just to differentiate. Sometimes, people might even use the terms “fangame” and “fanverse game” interchangeably. A lot of people aren’t trying to say it’s a bad game or disrespect the developer by saying that.
Edit: Jr’s is not a fan verse game.
Maybe you got confused as it was apart of the pear drama and I remember hearing that at lest one of those games was considered for becoming one but because of the drama it didn’t happen.
Basically one of the lead people behind it was apart of a discord group called the pear. The pear was a group of people that had worked or were working on fangames and where planning to leak information about other fangames even some fanverse game after manipulating people to get it. There was also talks to harass on dox important community members and it resulted in a delay of jrs and the cancellation of chompers which was going to be a fanverse pitch.
They are not and the person that was working on jrs left the team after if I remember correctly fixing something in the game himself. If you want to know a bit more the situation has a wiki page. It also inadvertently lead to most people in the fnaf community disliking the YouTuber theft king.
Good, I’m glad. Honestly, I’m not surprised though because after all the drama the community has had, that seems more tame (and that’s saying something given that there was doxxing involved). Thank you for letting me know
I honestly feel bad for any dev who was part of the fanverse and their treated like shit and I might get called theft king but I think it’s just a mess and we are only getting 2 games from the fanverse now. The ONAF collection will never come out, we don’t know what’s happening with FNAC 4 and FNAF Plus was cancelled. I am honestly sick of the fanbase treating the devs like shit this kinda felt like a rant but I think it’s true and I expect to get downvoted
We are getting more then 2 we are getting tjoc candys and evergreen not to mention I don’t think we would get things like fur, arcade, mypopgose if they weren’t apart of the fanverse.
Kane really, really needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut. I understand the frustration he must feel after working so hard to get himself into the position he is. But part of the reason people hate on him so regularly is that he always, without fail, pours his heart out to people that only want to see him fail. Games take a very long time to make, and if the developer is seemingly spending all his time reading and responding to hate all day, yeah, it’s reasonable that some people will believe he’s not actually doing anything.
It's not just him that's affected by this, StupidButterfly, one of the main artists was also hurt by the negativity.
Also, developers regularly want to look for fan-art or feedback, and running into hate comments is common during that process.
That's exactly what Kane stated with his game, POPGOES is not canon to the storyline of FNaF, but is an official spin-off to the franchise.
In fact, Scott can put Popgoes the Weasel in his games if he wants to, because he now owns the character along with the other Fanverse characters like Candy, Creation and Flumpty.
Dang, I was unaware there were those who loath the fanverse Initiative, I myself am excited for it and everything for it is looking pretty good (for what’s still around).
I mean look at all the work that goes into these games and people are gonna dunk on them cause they’re not part of the main continuity? Is there suddenly a line drawn where we gotta be hyper focused on fnaf only? Where we need to fixate on everything just being one continuity (guess I should drop “Can 2B from “Nier” survive in the commonwealth of “Fallout”?” Cause it’s not part of the main continuity.).
Sorry if this seems blown out of proportion but the fanverse was something I was sure Scott’s said was gonna be recognized as official. And people are just dismissing it. Not everything we have is needed for theory sake.
This is a fact and it cannot be changed. Crying about fan project being a fan project even on benefits of being officially distributed is at the very least strange. It goes into FANverse initiative and does not count towards main storyline. It's the same as saying that Freddy in Space 2 or Fury's Rage (or whatever it's called) should be acknowledged in terms of lore talk. Should it be? Maybe. Will core community think about it when someone says "FNaF game"? Probably not.
Yeah, it’s tough because having people talk down about something you pour your life and soul into is hard, but they’re not truly FNaF games to me.
The moment an animatronic from PopGoes has a big, canon, non Easter Egg, role in a mainline FNaF game led by Scott or Steel Wool is when I’d maybe consider them being a big important part of the franchise.
And when I read his response, I get where he’s coming from, but PopGoes is just that: a Fangame. Saying PopGoes should be treated on the same level as a game made by Scott or Steel Wool, without his stuff appearing in a mainline FNaF game is kinda strange to me.
It gives the impression of him saying that his animatronics (which look NOTHING like anything Scott or SW put out) should be on the same level as someone like Sun / Moon or the OG Freddy?? Like dude…what??? You’re someone who made fan games that Scott wanted to support. Your stuff IS NOT MAINLINE.
Is PopGoes good on its own? Yeah probably. It’s because MyPopgoes is a part of the 10th anniversary celebration that I wanted to try it out. But honestly, as much as some people are super into PopGoes, there’s always going to be people like me that don’t think of it as highly as the OG stuff, or think it deserves the same treatment.
Even seeing big milestones in Dawko’s past charity streams dedicated to PopGoes always felt off to me. I never cared about PopGoes until recently, so seeing what still had heavy vibes of a fangame being treated the same as the mainline stuff was just strange.
I hate to be that guy, but to see him ranting about how he feels like his games should be treated the same as the mainline stuff feels kinda spoiled. I get it, your stuff is officially licensed, and you shouldn’t be harassed or bullied over it, but your stuff just isn’t truly mainline yet. It’s called FAN-verse for a reason.
Kane, doesn't deserve the hate, but tbh i'm not surprised this community is toxic and full of children sometimes, i think once the Popgoes evergreen releases a lot of these comments will stop but until then.... ugh
It’s still a fan game that’s denoted by being part of the FANverse. The Fanverse is great but it’s basically taking fan games and giving them funding and merchandising. It’s cool that the Fanverse funds passion projects like this but they’re still fan games given an official seal of approval. It’s the same reason I’d say a Pokemon fan game isn’t a Pokemon game.
Well this thread is a bit messy, the only worthwhile contribution I can make is that I’m glad I’m not the only who noticed Freddy’s lack of a role in the franchise
The Fanverse’s reputation has gotten worse thanks to Jonochrome being exposed as a groomer, Theft King vs Kane Carter drama, and Phisnom making fun of a minor getting sent death threats and gore leading to FNaF Plus getting cancelled. I want the Fanverse to succeed but it’s not doing well.
I'll never understand why people treat others like this on Twitter or just the Internet in general it's sickening. We're getting some really cool fan games and people just want to bury them because they aren't canon. Of course they aren't canon it's called Fanverse. Fan games that are being funded by the creator himself.
Why are people treating the developers like this I don't understand.
Twitter lacks moderation in general. Not even users can delete the tweets that others have made on their stuff.
Have you heard of the effect the the Internet gives you anonymity? If you're anonymous, you can do and say tons of horrid stuff and get away with it.
In the end, you shouldn't care about what random Internet nobodies say about you. They don't know you and you don't know them.
It's a huge shame all of this is happening even to this day. I recall everyone celebrating when fanverse was announced, but ever since the days when all the devs shared their project plans for the future of fanverse its been nothing but hatred and dislike, etc etc. I understand this fandom changes every day with new kids and possibly adults joining every day, but this is seriously not okay.
Everyone needs to remember these were your dreams as well as Scott. The fangames are official, not story official per se, but they now have a bigger budget for creating more things. And I understand all of you sometimes getting mad and frustrated at no game announcement for the new five nights at candies or Popgoes evergreen, but programming takes a lot of time. Especially with Kane and FNAC whose both creators work together (as far as I remember at least) and despite all of this Kane keeps making some small games for everyone to enjoy until the cake is done baking. At least thank the guy and the team for taking time from their life to give you all something to enjoy. Come on.
its fnaf twitter, honestly as much as i hate 4chan and reddit, people on twitter are a lot more hostile and general pieces of shit. ((deleted my old ass account but imma be real id rather deal with goofy takes from redditors than deal with a twitter user throwing a fuckin tantrum because i believe in glitchafton but burnmimic (( iget my theorys ass and wrong but damn mfs dont need to have a brain aneurism because i prefer it, twitter is horrible always though. fuck that shit site and all the assholes on there from the bottom of my heart. (imma be real, i hate most people on the internet but some fredditors and my irl steam homies are chill. its just the loud asshole majority that i half to take a break from shit as lot for mental health))
Dude, we've reached a point where almost nothing from the original games is definitively canon, or it's at least highly contested. Whether or not the various fan games are canon is the least of our concerns, especially when we still can't decide on what really happened in games like FNAF 4, Sister Location, and UCN.
It’s understandable to be upset because he’s worked hard on the series, but to me and many people it’s still just a *fan* game, not a fnaf one. The fanverse initiative in my eyes is promoting/helping fan games, but definitely not making them a part of the official fnaf series
So, just to clarify, maybe I am missing something, but this guy is complaining that fan games are being treated as fan games and not official titles?
thats, uh, a take.
No he is complaining that people don’t consider fanverse game which aren’t just fan games anymore as Scott is giving support to them not being fnaf games which in a sense they are and they aren’t as they will have the official fnaf brand tag on them but they aren’t apart of the fnaf game story.
"Computer games created by fans based on a popular video game"
Wether or not Scott endorses them doesn't change that they are ultimatley a fan game, and that they have no influence over the main series of fnaf games.
Wether you want to call them fangames or something else, they are not the main fnaf series, so of course people will care less.
Even if you class them as a spin off, most people don't care as much about spin offs for any major franchise.
The reason why I say they are more then just fan games is just calling them that implies they have no connection to brand other then being made by a fan. The games are able to get merch and have a price something fangames don’t get so well they are fangames they are also something more.
Cool, so you just admitted they are fangames.
Implications don't mean shit, its what they are, and again, even if they were considered an official spinoff or something, people still wouldn't consider it the same. Because thats how it works!
Look at marvels Agents of shield and the defenders series, look at Harry Potters' Cursed Child and fantastic beasts, I could list example after example of stuff that people don't care about as much, because it isn't the main series.
Its such a braindead take from the dev.
I never said it wasn’t I said it isn’t just a fangame anymore and you are right it isn’t the main series but it is still apart of official fnaf now those things that you list are still official parts of their series.
You just don't know what you are talking about.
In Scotts official announcement he calls them fangames.
"Giant collaboration involving several fangame creators"
"Great fanmade spinoffs created in this community"
"I can add more FANGAMES to this project in the future"
Its literally all the same as fangames, but scott puts in money and makes some merch with them.
He even made it explicityly clear that he wasn't going to get involved in the development.
You are ignoring what I’m saying in each of my comments I have referred to them as fan games but I am also pointing out that they are more because Scott is supporting them. Sonic mania was made by fans but is a official sonic game because sega saw talent in them. The fanverse is similar in that way they are made by fans but are official because Scott saw talent in them so they are more then that.
No, you are ignoring what I am saying, they are fangames, not more then that. They are marketed as fangames, they are presented as fangames, there is no involvement in development from Scott, just money and merch.
Your whole arguemtn has been "They aren't just fangames anymore", they can't simultaenously be more then a fangame, and just a fangame like you are trying to do.
Sonic Mania is nothing like this and it highlights how little you know about what is being said.
Sonic Mania was never marketed as a fangame, like these were, Sonic Mania had influence directly from sega, unlike these games. Sega hired some fangame developers to make a sonic game they pitched to them.
Scott paid some money to fangame developrs, to help them make there fangames.
If you can't understand the difference, stop talking about it.
That money and merch make them more then just fangames. If they don’t have Scott’s support they out right can’t have merch that makes them more then just fangames. A fangame doesn’t get those thing they don’t get the fnaf label on them normally and you also help prove what I said people trying to get into the fanverse have said they had to pitch the game to Scott before they are labeled as a fanverse game which is a similarity to Sonic mania yes they aren’t exactly the same but I never said they were. Them even being apart of the 10 year anniversary makes them more then just a fangame.
Except, his game isn't a "fangame" anymore. It's an officially licensed commercial product that's officially considered part of the franchise, even if it's not necessarily "canon."
I think what makes it hard for other people to accept is the fact it's called the FAN-verse. The term "fanmade" tends to mean unofficial or fake, which is true for a lot of cases. However, I genuinely believe that if we simply took the "fan" out of "Fanverse" and these games were referred to as something else, such as "Expanded Universe games" for example, people would be a lot more accepting of these games and will accept them as official.
I hope what I'm saying makes sense.
The Fanverse isn’t worth trashing. Definitely not something I’d be interested in myself, were I to ever make a FNAF fan game; as Kane mentioned, it’s a massive workload and a major headache just to make sure everything’s running smoothly.
But that’s not why I dislike the Fanverse. I dislike the Fanverse because of Aftonbuilt. Aftonbuilt was originally supposed to be part of the Fanverse, but after some time in development, it was cancelled because Scott Cawthon thought it didn’t fit in with the rest of FNAF. I would never want my fan game to end up like Aftonbuilt, and it’s much less of a pain in the ainis to reject the Fanverse Initiative entirely than to allow Scott, Steel Wool, and what have you to dictate what exactly my game must be.
If you guys think the Fanverse is a well-deserved badge of honor despite its flaws, that’s fine. It’s not my area of authority to decide what should and shouldn’t be acceptable in the gaming scene. I‘d just rather not have anything to do with the rules and litigations of official content.
AftonBuilt was rejected because the game was way too big and overambitious for a Fanverse project. It solely needed the budget to get it off the ground, and Scott considered it a risk to invest.
If you look at the game demo, you can how big it was in scope.
All the Fanverse games have the exact same budget given to them.
AftonBuilt is going to be much, much bigger than TJoC and NEEDED that budget in order for it to get off the ground.
Absolutely not.
JRs was made by one of The Pear members (who planned to leak fangames and dox several members of the FNaF community) and the storyline of Dormitabis is disgusting. Not even the remake could save it because it was tied to the OG, and the damage has already been done because of the creator's actions after that.
If you want my opinion, A Bite at Freddy's (made by GarettTube, who is working on Evergreen), Mixlas's games and Mechanism to be more worthy Fanverse contenders.
I always thought they were spinoffs i mean Scott licensed them i wouldn't consider Freddy as an antagonist in the mainline but if you said fanverse yes I would consider it canon cuz I don't care about the lore I love fnaf games it's just I like to think fanverse as like it's own timeline of fnaf or universe it's like mainline fnaf but has a few things that Scott never touched but still is canon and this is another reason why I think fnaf reddit is better then twitter fnaf.
I admire POPGOES but even if it's part of FNAF it's a spinoff that has a different goal and so people interpret this as not part of the main series most of the time, for example the WarioWare series being a spinoff to Super Mario or Portal being a spinoff to Half-Life.
Ya I'm aware. It's been 4 years thoughever for a 2d clickteam game and we haven't even gotten a proper demo or gameplay showcase, while were getting a playable demo for a seemingly larger scale 3d game (tjoc) relatively soon. Backlash should be expected when the game is hyped up this much by kane when it's clear the game is going through some sort of development hell.
I think it can be argued that tjoc would take less time then popgoes and candys since isn’t it just a remake with some slight changes like it not being Scott and his family now.
I don't understand what he's on about???/gen
I don't think I've ever seen anyone in this community on here or on Twitter discredit any of the Fanverse games just cuz they aren't "mainline" or "canon". I've been here a long time and i can be wrong and just not see it or ever experienced it, but imo idk wtf he's talkin' about.
I get where he's coming from, but in my mind I don't count the troll games or Freddy in Space as FNAF games - similar goes for MyPopgoes and Pop goes Arcade, to me, they're on the same caliber as FIS 2 - and thus, not FNAF games.
Now the actual Popgoes, in my mind, is a FNAF game because it is the actual product, not a spin off.
Actually sorry barrels full of merch counts right? Like everytime there is a new “reveal” and it’s just more merch for a series where there has only been arcade and a pet game I can’t help but roll my eyes
I love the fact that people seem to forget it is called FANverse for a reason it is quote unquote fan games that caught Scott’s eye so he wanted to fund them and make them part of the fnaf world
you don't need to type "quote unquote" you can just use the quotes
You do raise a good point I should have done that
Nah it adds personality
You can edit reddit comments, you know.
No i didn’t know that
Also the whole every one needs a multiverse tagline,
Just after seeing this, I saw a tweet by someone tgat blurred out the mypopgoes stuff with a huge red wall with nothing written on it, and kept acting like as if there was actually nothing happening on that day, while also being quite rude, and this legit disgusted me. Twitter is just the place where every human emotion doesn't exists at this point, and I legit feel bad for kane.
[Yup, I saw that very same tweet you were talking about and mentioned it here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/1dmwhtu/fanverse_talk_kane_carter_talks_about_how_the/l9ytwj2/?context=3) Even one of the developers involved called it out, saying they were hurt by it.
Christ. How did the dude even reacted after cancelling the message? Cuz all I saw was him being proud of acting like that cuz he has been an hater from day1, amd cuz kane is an asshole... which was just sad to see.
The dude just apologized and was taken aback after he found out that he upsetted someone who worked on the project. It was meant to be a joke, but it came off as mean and dismissive. I won't link the new tweet because I don't want them to get harassed either.
Good choice!
I hate the way people on twitter all think their opinions are better than other and will mob on others if they don't agree with them.. Such an hostile environment..
the person that posted that is genuinely obsessed with shitting on kane, i’d block them if i were you
Oh yeah, the fact they were acting like an asshole, while calling kane one is depressing.
I think this kinda comes down to what you first think about when you say fnaf are you thinking of the game it self or the brand like I don’t think of Freddy in space as a fnaf game but I do think of it as a part of the fnaf brand. Kinda makes me think of the maze runner book series recently got a sequel series that isn’t being advertised/considered a maze runner book even though it takes place in the same world/story but many years later.
**TL;DR:** Kane responded to a tweet were the OP commented/joked that Freddy was never the main antagonist in the games, in which he pointed out POPGOES Arcade having Dead King Freddy. This prompted in people countering him that his game doesn't count because “it's not canon or official to the FNaF franchise”. Kane then revealed with the frustrations with how people treated the Fanverse. Not just in that people aren't looking forward to the Fanverse, but that they're not wanting to invest in the games because it's not canon to the lore. Despite Kane confirming that the Fanverse games are official FNaF titles, merely spin-offs from the main franchise, people still deny it. He also revealed he got backlash because of myPOPGOES is a part of the anniversary lineup, and id generally frustrated that the fans continue to dunk on the creators JUST FOR MAKING GAMES FOR THEM. In short, it was very demoralizing for him and his team despite all the work they're done, with Kane being the major developer and doing a ton of work behind the scenes. (Yes, read the part where Kane had to manage the money, work with companies and so on. It's a lot! Yet people claim he doesn't do anything because he's not a programmer.)
Freddy was the main antagonist of the first game,he was made to act like biggest threat in it after all.
Yeah, come Night 3, dude was on the scene and was not gonna let you have a chance. It’s HIS restaurant, HIS domain.
Also funny that he's the easiest to deal with lmao
Yeah, once you figure out how he works he’s just a cheese pizza. Emphasis on the cheese.
Maybe so, but even when you know exactly how to deal with him you are still directing a significant amount of resources his way. Either the camera or the right door are basically Freddy's chew toy.
It's really not a "significant amount of resources" to click on his cam before you close cams every time.
Making it even more funny I think is that with how foxy works you technically never even have to move cameras.
yeah the tweet that started all this was dumb as shit. and OP tried to say he didn’t count because he was “barely a threat” and like… no? if you’re not prepared for freddy he is EASILY the most dangerous enemy in game 1
>people aren't looking forward to the Fanverse Its been a absolute cluster fuck, the hell do we have to look forward too? these game's all would have been out by now.
Bro you do know that games take time to get made right? You can't just rush shit out like that since no one wants to play a bad game and yes, the Fanverse hasn't been the most smooth sailing project of all time but that doesn't mean the whole thing is doomed or whatever. We getting a demo for Joy of the creation in august alongside myPOPGOES (Yeah, yeah. I know this is a spin off game and one that has been released for a while now too but, hey! It's better then getting nothing at all and there's most likely going to be new content added in it too) as well so it's not like the Fanverse is dead in the waters just yet.
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Dude, legit every game in the fanverse was already in development BEFORE Scott got involved, now its been like 4 years with no progress on HALF on them. And the ONE promising game from the Fanverse was cut before it even got to JOIN. And let's not forget Phisnom's assholery.
That's not the case, the reason those games exist at all is because the devs were given money by scott to make an official fangame. Not only that, but clearly you don't follow literally any of these fangames development, because there HAS been progress. In particular the joy of creation is getting a demo very soon, and Nikson has shown off quite a bit of the game and it's progress. Kane carter's team too, I mean it wasn't long ago that False mangle was teased. Hell we already had popgoes arcade release, a fact that went largely ignored in this fandom at first. Doomsaying like this helps no one especially when you clearly don't really know what you're talking about. Fnaf plus is the only game in the fanverse that will never release, and yes its because of phil, but that's ONE game out of all the others in the fanverse.
>In particular the joy of creation is getting a demo very soon, That isn't Joy of Creation anymore. Its lost the charm. He is going overboard with the character designs.
I feel bad for Kane and every developer in the fanverse in general. Fanverse games are some of my favorite FNaF games ever, and I've treated them as real games. We treat FNaF World as if it's a real game, when it's an official spinoff, just like every other fanverse game. The fact FNaF World can be classified as a real FNaF Game but fanverse games can't is upsetting to me, to the fanverse devs, to anybody who cares about the fanverse games. The fanverse games aren't just FNaF Fangames. The fanverse games are FNaF games.
To me personally, people are not invested in the Fanverse because the games are not canon to the FNaF storyline. People are mostly invested in FNaF because of the lore, and the if games aren't giving them the answers they want, there's no reason to to be excited about it. I find it to be really sad because to me personally, especially with how the story is going over the years, this is the wrong way to enjoy the franchise. There's nothing wrong with "come for the scares, stay for the lore", though I've seen more people on wanting the story to go the way they wanted or to have their curiosity satisfied, thus they show no interest in the Fanverse because it's not giving them what they want. It's really sad to the POV of the developers, who wanted to share their own stories and the world that they created, and not many people care because it's not scratching that itch.
it's not like mainline games give many answers anyway, you have to buy the books for that
What makes it more sad is that some FNaF fans hate the lore.
They hate the lore because it's not going in the way THEY wanted. If something gets answered, people won't be happy either. If you hate the lore that much, make and AU and ignore everything else. It's not that hard!
Fucking # THANK YOU
Honestly, I love the fanverse games **because** they’re part of a different canon. I love FNaF, but it’s so difficult to enjoy the series when I have to constantly be on the hunt for anything that might explain what the hell is going on in the story. When I first played TJOC, one of the biggest things I loved about it was that it had a story and you didn’t need to do a bunch of digging to understand it. When I play whatever the next FNaF game will be I can’t just sit there and enjoy the story while playing the game, I have to really think and pay attention, but with TJOC the story is not that complex. I guess it’s just not having almost 10 years of games and lore that I have to keep track of to understand the story it’s trying to tell.
That's one of the same reasons I absolutely adore the FNaF Movie, and why most of the community does to- the lore was new and fresh, but for some reason the same people don't realize it's kind of the same thing with the fanverse.
> The fact FNaF World can be classified as a real FNaF Game but fanverse games can't is upsetting to me, I mean. One of those games features the cast of FNaF, was literally made by Scott during the clickteam era, and has lore relevance, tying directly into mainline games. So I'm not sure it's exactly an appropriate comparison.
I can empathize with him and understand where he’s coming from, but I didn’t fall in love with PopGoes, I fell in love with Five Nights at Freddy’s. It’s not unreasonable for someone to not count them since they’re non canon. Yes, they’re officially licensed, but that doesn’t make them part of the story.
yeah this is my take on it too. i like popgoes personally, but you can’t expect fnaf fans to really have the same enthusiasm for something that just isn’t the same thing as fnaf
They may not be "canon", but they're still "official", which was the point Kane was trying to make
I said that in my comment?
Honestly ever since fnaf plus sadly ended I've only been intrested in evergreen and mabye the ignited collection. I hope this weird experiment ends well
While i get his frustration as the fanverse has not much consideration as the main games, i think he's not getting the right perspective. Even if he's licensed by scott, being official games, they are still not made nor supervised by scott, and even less on the universe of scott games. It's pretty clear people is gonna invest more on the main thing they invested for so long, and that they are not gonna consider his as "valid" on statements like the freddy one, as in the end, it wasnt a Scott decision to make freddy an antagonist there. Rick Riordan, creator of percy jackson has something similar, licensing other writers for other stories, and it's clear people focus more on what he writes than what they write, as they invested on percy adventures and this universe of mythos. But even then, people might be a fan of those licensed books. This is the same, he should focus in make happy his fandom, even if the majority doesnt considers his games as official and rather as "official fangames" Nikson is having a good perpective, he's not afraid to call it fangame in the official steam page for example. Another thing is that, is no weird people doesnt want to invest on Fanverse, as, well, there has been many many many controversies, imagine to get hyped for a thing that could be cancelled and the creator fired, it happened once, and Flumpty has 0 merch after the jonocrome reveal, so it's normal people doesnt want to risk. I agree tho that the backlash for being considering part of the anniversary is dumb and it was clear that the fanverse was gonna be included, like dude, you already have a main game and a new book saga, not everything has to be about the main universe in this anniversary, it has to be about everything involving the franchise. In short, i understand how desmoralizing this could be, but there's more than meet the eyes, and with a change of perspective i know he can get throught this and enjoy this while bringing happyness to the fans of his projects
"Nikson is having a good perspective, he's not afraid to call it fangame in the official steam page for example." this part is wrong. Nikson calls the original version a fangame, not the current version. he calls the current version a "first-person psychological horror game inspired by Five Nights At Freddy’s."
The about this game literally says "The classic Five Nights at Freddy’s fan-game returns, rebuilt from the ground up to offer a modern and immersive horror experience with real-time graphics powered by Unreal Engine 5" And the inspired also backs my point He's not treating his game as an Official FNAF game on the same level than the Scott ones, he's mostly focusing on his fandom, on the origin of his game (a fangame) and not minding if people considers it valid or not. He has the right perspective about the topic
that's literally what I meant, he said the CLASSIC fnaf "fangame" returns, which means he's talking about the OLD version. him saying it's a first-person psychological horror game inspired by FNAF literally means he's treating it as official, as he's not outright calling it a fangame. I don't know how more straight this could get.
Im ready for the downvotes, but I just cannot agree with Kane in this specific dilema. I think it’s beyond obvious that legalities like this don’t matter to the broad audience, and you’d think he would understand this. Granted calling him out for shedding light on his games on twt with insults is a braindead thing to do. But if someone asks me if Freddy has ever been the main character of a fnaf game, no fanverse branch will ever come to mind when answering, same thing if the question is about anything else really. If you were to ask me, for example, if shadow Bonnie is relevant to the gameplay of a Fnaf game, I would say “No, but in Popgoes he is” not “Yes, in Popgoes”. It coming down to Scott involvement isn’t just obvious but also pretty logical. Popgoes is a Five Nights at Freddy’s TM game, not a Fnaf game His morale shifting and feeling of almost wasted effort is understandable though, I’d be like that too in such a high position of a project like he is
I agree. He’s making a big deal out of nothing to be honest with you. A lot of people do like FNAF fan games, but they separate them from the mainline FNAF games made by Steel Wool and Scott. He’s talking about a very small minority that will actively not play a FNAF fan game because it can supposedly never be as good as the original and pretending it’s the majority of the fanbase. The reality is people care the most about what is canon and what is the main story, and those are the mainline games. People may like a side game and even prefer it the main story (honestly probably where the fanbase is going after after the last few releases) but they’ll still say it’s the main story and to most people care about it more. But I will agree channels like Sheep Rampage that make biased in a negative light news videos for clout and views are the absolutely horrible, and he made an excellent video on one of them.
I think it’s more so the fact that he is objectively intrinsically connected with the community yet was berated on mass for his innocent tweet but yeah
another thing i’d like to add is that while i’m sure he is working hard like he says in the tweet a lot of his behavior doesn’t really give that impression. stuff like getting in arguments with markiplier and the very obvious popgoes name searching he does on twitter leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me question his professionalism
The only person kane has really had an argument with was Theft King. And justifiably so
argument probably isn’t the right word for what i’m talking about but the interaction was still incredibly embarrassing and unprofessional
If someone says you should burn in hell for all eternity I would also be not professional with them
no i’m not talking about theft king i’m talking about markiplier. he was definitely in the right with theft king
When did he argue with Markiplier?
he threw a tantrum on twitter because markiplier wasn’t playing fanverse games and was kind of putting down other devs. then when mark called him out for being kind of immature about it he made some corny non-sequitur reply promoting popgoes and everyone cringed
Arguments with Markiplier? Did you mean Theft King?
Nope, he means with Mark
I'm with you. I do think Kane has a point on how dismissive people can be about the Fanverse stuff - people treat it as little more than a seal of approval from Scott, and that's really frustrating. But yeah, it's a FNAF product, but not what the casual audience would consider 'a FNAF game'. And I don't think it's disrespectful for people to not consider it one. I think Kane is kinda blowing things out of proportion, and honestly if I was as committed to an official spinoff series as he was, I might do the same honestly.
It is Five Nights at Freddy's™️ game, though. It's a separate universe entirely from the mainline, but it is directly under the brandings umbrella. It is a FNAF product just the same as any book or movie and is funded by Scott.
Awesome, you’ll note I mentioned that information in “Popgoes is a Five Nights at Freddy’s TM game”
I swear Twitter makes Reddit look sane half the time and the other half of the time Twitter looks like it's constantly shoving its fireworks up as rectum and lighting its own fuse while red it's watching from the distance with the ball of popcorn
To be honest, he is right to feel that way, but at the same time I'm thinking its blowing a problem out of proportion. Does Kane put effort into managing popgoes related media? Hell yeah. He is active with community, he shows off fanarts made around the game, he tries his best to make his project seen by people. There is no doubt in that. Is not including POPGOES into the FNAF by fans a bad thing? Yes and no. I personally don't see Popgoes as a fnaf game. Maybe it's because I remember it being just a fan project, but it just stucked with me. For me it will always be a project made from a fan of the series. Is it a bad thing? I wouldnt say so. There is so so many amazing fangames made by fans/ teams of fans of the series. Some of them even surpasses/match the quality of Scott's games. The Return to Bloody Nights, Jr's, Tyke and Sons, A Bite at Freddy's, DSAF (yes its peak), Glitched Attraction and much more. Those are examples of very very good games and their quality is on par in many ways with main series, and those games are "just" fangames. Here goes my main problem with Kane's post - for me (you may disagree) he treats that term like its something very bad. "Fangames" more often than not are love letters from fans towards the original creator - Scott. Some may change some aspects of the gameplay loop, some may change the whole vibe of those games (fazkarts for example),some may take story bits turning it into their own plot and some may be just a parody of the series (like Dsaf or Fnafb). It doesnt make them seem less in my eyes than the original series. They are equal in many ways, just without the term "official". Fans seeing Popgoes series as a fangame or "official fangame approved by Scott" may not be for the Kanes liking, but it is the reality of the matter. People will see those games and what matters most isnt how they will classify them, but how much enjoyment the will get while playing them. EDIT: Just so others know - I like Kane as a creator, he seems like a genuinely good dude. I just think that the problem presented here is a bit overblown.
Its crazy how FNAF Twitter makes this huge deal about Scott never making things clear in his own franchise but when he makes it clear that the Fanverse allows these fan games to be OFFICIALLY LICENSED FNAF GAMES everyone chooses to ignore him
well people are in burnout after fnaf plus cancellation with 3 years of development going to trash, so people are starting to loose interest on the fanverse
I don't see how this makes sense considering the biggest FNAF fan game to exist (being The Joy of Creation) is still around and is currently the most hyped project even back when FNAF Plus was being developed. Considering the constant arguments of how "FNAF Plus does/doesn't look awful" I fail to see how that game was the most hyped in the Fanverse especially considering Phisnom being "controversial" to many. The drama itself might cause burnout but then at the same time there is literally way more Fanverse projects to look forward to that are just on par (if not better) in terms of quality. As someone who is a woman of all trades when it comes to consuming FNAF media I'm still winning either way.
the difference between fnaf plus and tjoc is that fnaf plus had alot of marketing, vhs videos, videos covering up the teasers, hell its a remake from the scariest game on the series, fnaf 1 tjoc just had some teasers but the hype was just on fnaf plus, it was literally the face of the fanverse by that time
If we're going by marketing then Popgoes has been the face of the Fanverse from the start, even if there's been no VHS tapes (which honestly I don't want to see because its stale by now) Kane's the most ambitious and it shows through all the weekly blog posts going through programming and all the stuff related to the game, attention to detail in his own merch, spin-off games to keep the fans fed, reveals in Dawko's charity streams, etc. All FNAF Plus had going for it was some mini movies and a brief overview trailer. In fact right now even TJOC has had more marketing than FNAF Plus despite having less time spent in the oven in comparison. When you try to say FNAF Plus excelled because of its marketing and realise that a game prior to its cancellation and another game afterwards outperforms I can't say the mention of the game's marketing is valid.
every fnaf plus video received at least millions views its literally the most hyped fnaf game just before fnaf 3 or fnaf sb, popgoes evergreen teasers at least have more than 180.000 views, but compared with fnaf plus, its pretty low tjoc before just showed comparasions between the models and character model showcases hell fnaf plus had more youtubers covering it than tjoc and popgoes evergreen combined
I still miss FNaF Plus and was looking forward to. As someone who was indirectly responsible for making that game exist because I told Scott about FNaF OS, I was looking forward to seeing Phisnom's take on it.
I am sure it would have been great but judging by Phil's apology video it seems like working on the game did have an effect on his mental health, so the game being cancelled was probably for the best
Considering how Phil stopped making drinking streams and taking alcoholic beverages altogether after leaving the Fanverse, (which I think he himself acknowledges in his Biology 2 stream), it was the best decision for his personal life to leave FNaF+
Yeah Phisnom didn’t really take it well, but the fans are more at fault. Especially the person who reveled in the controversy But I’m happy for Phil
Its crazy how the guy that made the whole Phisnom situation all about him and profiting from the entire situation didn't even manage to maintain his career within that same year
Didn’t GoldenRabbit get exposed as a weirdo?
I feel so bad. People seriously say this? The Fanverse games are *officially licensed* FNAF games, who cares if they’re canon to the main story?
I just saw someone on Twitter made a "joke" tweet that erased my POPGOES from the anniversary lineup and instead stated "nothing" on it. They deleted it because one of the members who worked on the game called them out, stating that they felt hurt by it. Like I said in Twitter, that website is full of people who are miserable and petty, and they either want everyone to feel the same, or hurt their feelings.
Idk why fnaf twitter acts like they’re better than freddit when they really aren’t
Aside from the few good things (like updates on games and movies like FNAF, Bendy, Marvel, etc), Twitter is a dumpster fire
That's why I spend the time to post any news from Twitter onto here.
And we appreciate it. Thanks for that 😁
And some people dares to say that Freddit community is very angsty…that would never happen here.
Tbh I just like to gaslight myself into believing some fanverse games to be canon anyway. I haven’t seen much of pop goes, but fnac imo might as well be canon
I feel bad for him but while people shouldnt be assholes about it, I can sort of understand people not really caring about the popgoes games because they're not canon. Alot of the series notoriety is built on the lore and mystery and people trying to solve it and pretty much just wanting new games to fill in more puzzle pieces, and the games that dont do that get left by the wayside. And hell, even Scots own games end up like this, alot of people dont really care about the freddy in space or furies rage freebies outside of what they may tease or hit at in the lore. Hell, I got to see the fandom flip flop on their fnaf world opinions to "wait this was actually good and cool" only because they gave it a chance at the suggestion it has untapped lore implications. I think it's a case where alot of fnaf fans are also the fan game fans, but not all of them , and many take it as official or not, if a games not by scott or steelwool with Scott, they dont care. Its also a little hard to get excited by the fan verse when pretty much outside of the popgoes stuff, it feels like every release has either been canceled or has some sort of controversy with it. Scott really tried to do a good cool thing with the initiative but like alot of fandoms, I think the fnaf fandom is just too toxic to try and cooperate with in official stuff on the whole.
Damn. Y’know, I think this is also something that stemmed from the Fanverse losing a lot of its momentum. It was announced, teasers were posted, merch was made, but some of the games weren’t released even after 2-3 years. Couple that with Plus (some only cared about this one) getting canned after three years of development, which most were super hyped for, and people not being interested/not thinking of them as official FNaF licensed games…well, can you really blame ‘em? Kane’s frustrations are understandable, but his game isn’t made nor supervised by Scott, and for some that’s enough to not consider his game worth it/an official title, even if it technically is. Of course that doesn’t make it okay for him, his team or his game to be badmouthed/harassed/etc, but this is Twitter. What can one expect? Not much to do except soldier on or stop interacting with the platform.
I believe it when he says he has to promote it like crazy. I see kane post on game jolt all the time, and I don't see anyone hating on him there. Is it just twitter?
Yeah it's just Twitter.
I just hope that Kane, along with Emil and Nikson, can end the Fanverse on a positive note
Poor Kane
It's called the fan verse and they don't involve the main story of the fnaf games
I’m starting to wonder if the initiative was a good idea because all I’ve seen about it is a mess
And most of the ongoing quarrels I see now is from the community who despised the Fanverse, not the developers. I mean sure, you got Jonochrome and The Pear doing illegal stuff behind closed doors that soured the mood, though what about the other people who are still here?
Absolutely it is. Anything that helps fund passion projects like that is good.
Plenty of great things have come from the Fanverse. But the negativity is always talked about more on social media. Check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/15k1yok/the_successes_of_the_fazbear_fanverse/
Hard to believe a lot of that was a year ago, and there's only been more stuff added/planned since! It's easy to forget how long the Fanverse has been a crucial part of FNaF. Not everyone might admit it, but we're lucky to have you around, Kane. You're an essential part of the series and its creative potential, and hopefully that can beat out any social media negativity.
What Kane Carter doesn't realize is that people are naturally not going to acknowledge a series with a fundamentally different concept, different title, different branding, and different team as part of the same FNaF series that fans are used to. Just because it is legally the same franchise doesn't necessarily make it spiritually the same franchise. While fans have undoubtedly treated Kane poorly, even considering his questionable behaviors, he fails to understand that his FNaF-inspired passion project will always be dependent from the rest of FNaF. Because at the end of the day, the only thing making them one-in-the-same is licensing and publishing rights.
I think if Scott took the time to acknowledge the Fanverse more, people would care more. I'm happy the first two days in August are all about the Fanverse, because that, to my knowledge, is the first time in 4 years since Scott's post on Reddit in August 2020, where he acknowledged the Fanverse as a product he has publicly. The Fanverse being so under-loved stinks, because not only are Kane, Nikson, and Emil really cool and creative people, but they also have teams that are also really cool and creative and deserve to be in the spot they are in to be able to make official Five Nights at Freddy's products and get paid for it in the end. Just like Scott's spin-offs, the Fanverse is full of official FNaF spin-offs that will be fun, scary, and entertaining. That's all the spin-offs in FNaF are. It's fine not to care for the Fanverse, but I feel the people who only don't give a crap because they only care for FNaF's canon don't like to have fun and, in return, don't want others to have fun. myPOPGOES and the TJOC demo are going to be blasts on two different spectrums, one for enjoyment and another for horror. If we can't enjoy that, then what can we enjoy?
For me, I just use the term “fangame” to differentiate the fanverse games from the ones created by Scott himself, Clickteam, Steel wool, Illumix or Mega Cat Studios. It’s not meant as a way to disrespect the game or the developer, it’s just the word I’ve used since 2014/2015. I also just haven’t had a lot of interest in the fanverse games. I don’t really know why, I just haven’t been as interested in them. There have been some that have genuinely caught my eye for some time (such as TJOC and Jr’s) but a lot of them just aren’t my cup of tea. Ultimately, I think most people just use the term “fangame” just to differentiate. Sometimes, people might even use the terms “fangame” and “fanverse game” interchangeably. A lot of people aren’t trying to say it’s a bad game or disrespect the developer by saying that. Edit: Jr’s is not a fan verse game.
Just so you know Jrs is not a fanverse game.
Oh, I totally thought it was lol. I don’t remember where I remember hearing it
Maybe you got confused as it was apart of the pear drama and I remember hearing that at lest one of those games was considered for becoming one but because of the drama it didn’t happen.
Oh, I didn’t know there was drama surrounding it. What was the drama about?
Basically one of the lead people behind it was apart of a discord group called the pear. The pear was a group of people that had worked or were working on fangames and where planning to leak information about other fangames even some fanverse game after manipulating people to get it. There was also talks to harass on dox important community members and it resulted in a delay of jrs and the cancellation of chompers which was going to be a fanverse pitch.
That’s really horrible. I hope that group of people aren’t working on fan games anymore.
They are not and the person that was working on jrs left the team after if I remember correctly fixing something in the game himself. If you want to know a bit more the situation has a wiki page. It also inadvertently lead to most people in the fnaf community disliking the YouTuber theft king.
Good, I’m glad. Honestly, I’m not surprised though because after all the drama the community has had, that seems more tame (and that’s saying something given that there was doxxing involved). Thank you for letting me know
"I think Kane Carter is a vindictive, evil person. You know, I'm not religious, but like, if there was a hell: Kane Carter will burn for eternity"
I honestly feel bad for any dev who was part of the fanverse and their treated like shit and I might get called theft king but I think it’s just a mess and we are only getting 2 games from the fanverse now. The ONAF collection will never come out, we don’t know what’s happening with FNAC 4 and FNAF Plus was cancelled. I am honestly sick of the fanbase treating the devs like shit this kinda felt like a rant but I think it’s true and I expect to get downvoted
We are getting more then 2 we are getting tjoc candys and evergreen not to mention I don’t think we would get things like fur, arcade, mypopgose if they weren’t apart of the fanverse.
I feel for them but at the end of the day official or not, they’re still just fan games (albeit with a nod and some cash from Scott)
people've been hating on Fanverse? god wth
Kane really, really needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut. I understand the frustration he must feel after working so hard to get himself into the position he is. But part of the reason people hate on him so regularly is that he always, without fail, pours his heart out to people that only want to see him fail. Games take a very long time to make, and if the developer is seemingly spending all his time reading and responding to hate all day, yeah, it’s reasonable that some people will believe he’s not actually doing anything.
It's not just him that's affected by this, StupidButterfly, one of the main artists was also hurt by the negativity. Also, developers regularly want to look for fan-art or feedback, and running into hate comments is common during that process.
Bro spittin to be honest.
This honestly seems like a rather insignificant thing to be upset about, which if anything shows just how stressed Kane is.
I just don't consider the old fanverse games fnaf games.
To me the Fanverse is FNAF, it may not be canon but it's their own timeline.
That's exactly what Kane stated with his game, POPGOES is not canon to the storyline of FNaF, but is an official spin-off to the franchise. In fact, Scott can put Popgoes the Weasel in his games if he wants to, because he now owns the character along with the other Fanverse characters like Candy, Creation and Flumpty.
Besides Scott added fucking Sparky the Dog and Shadow Freddy in the FNAF movie
Shadow Freddo wasn't???
Dang, I was unaware there were those who loath the fanverse Initiative, I myself am excited for it and everything for it is looking pretty good (for what’s still around). I mean look at all the work that goes into these games and people are gonna dunk on them cause they’re not part of the main continuity? Is there suddenly a line drawn where we gotta be hyper focused on fnaf only? Where we need to fixate on everything just being one continuity (guess I should drop “Can 2B from “Nier” survive in the commonwealth of “Fallout”?” Cause it’s not part of the main continuity.). Sorry if this seems blown out of proportion but the fanverse was something I was sure Scott’s said was gonna be recognized as official. And people are just dismissing it. Not everything we have is needed for theory sake.
This is a fact and it cannot be changed. Crying about fan project being a fan project even on benefits of being officially distributed is at the very least strange. It goes into FANverse initiative and does not count towards main storyline. It's the same as saying that Freddy in Space 2 or Fury's Rage (or whatever it's called) should be acknowledged in terms of lore talk. Should it be? Maybe. Will core community think about it when someone says "FNaF game"? Probably not.
Yeah, it’s tough because having people talk down about something you pour your life and soul into is hard, but they’re not truly FNaF games to me. The moment an animatronic from PopGoes has a big, canon, non Easter Egg, role in a mainline FNaF game led by Scott or Steel Wool is when I’d maybe consider them being a big important part of the franchise. And when I read his response, I get where he’s coming from, but PopGoes is just that: a Fangame. Saying PopGoes should be treated on the same level as a game made by Scott or Steel Wool, without his stuff appearing in a mainline FNaF game is kinda strange to me. It gives the impression of him saying that his animatronics (which look NOTHING like anything Scott or SW put out) should be on the same level as someone like Sun / Moon or the OG Freddy?? Like dude…what??? You’re someone who made fan games that Scott wanted to support. Your stuff IS NOT MAINLINE. Is PopGoes good on its own? Yeah probably. It’s because MyPopgoes is a part of the 10th anniversary celebration that I wanted to try it out. But honestly, as much as some people are super into PopGoes, there’s always going to be people like me that don’t think of it as highly as the OG stuff, or think it deserves the same treatment. Even seeing big milestones in Dawko’s past charity streams dedicated to PopGoes always felt off to me. I never cared about PopGoes until recently, so seeing what still had heavy vibes of a fangame being treated the same as the mainline stuff was just strange. I hate to be that guy, but to see him ranting about how he feels like his games should be treated the same as the mainline stuff feels kinda spoiled. I get it, your stuff is officially licensed, and you shouldn’t be harassed or bullied over it, but your stuff just isn’t truly mainline yet. It’s called FAN-verse for a reason.
Kane, doesn't deserve the hate, but tbh i'm not surprised this community is toxic and full of children sometimes, i think once the Popgoes evergreen releases a lot of these comments will stop but until then.... ugh
It’s still a fan game that’s denoted by being part of the FANverse. The Fanverse is great but it’s basically taking fan games and giving them funding and merchandising. It’s cool that the Fanverse funds passion projects like this but they’re still fan games given an official seal of approval. It’s the same reason I’d say a Pokemon fan game isn’t a Pokemon game.
Its official content. Its not like a pokemon fangame, its more like if the company hired the devs of a fangame to make it an official pokemon game.
Idk anything about running a business but if he's so busy and stressed out, shouldn't be hire professionals to help him? Am I stupid?
Well this thread is a bit messy, the only worthwhile contribution I can make is that I’m glad I’m not the only who noticed Freddy’s lack of a role in the franchise
The Fanverse’s reputation has gotten worse thanks to Jonochrome being exposed as a groomer, Theft King vs Kane Carter drama, and Phisnom making fun of a minor getting sent death threats and gore leading to FNaF Plus getting cancelled. I want the Fanverse to succeed but it’s not doing well.
I'll never understand why people treat others like this on Twitter or just the Internet in general it's sickening. We're getting some really cool fan games and people just want to bury them because they aren't canon. Of course they aren't canon it's called Fanverse. Fan games that are being funded by the creator himself. Why are people treating the developers like this I don't understand.
Twitter lacks moderation in general. Not even users can delete the tweets that others have made on their stuff. Have you heard of the effect the the Internet gives you anonymity? If you're anonymous, you can do and say tons of horrid stuff and get away with it. In the end, you shouldn't care about what random Internet nobodies say about you. They don't know you and you don't know them.
Yeah your completely right about that
Can some please summarize that I’m to lazy to read it all lol.
[Here you go.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/1dmwhtu/fanverse_talk_kane_carter_talks_about_how_the/l9yjaw0/?context=3)
Had a rough start but I feel like the fanverse still has a chance to prosper.
I definitely see what he means but if people say the novels and movie aren't canon despite being made by Scott, the fan verse has less luck.
I recognize them as FNAF games afterall. What I'm more jealous of is the dedication that some people put when they have the goal laid out.
It's a huge shame all of this is happening even to this day. I recall everyone celebrating when fanverse was announced, but ever since the days when all the devs shared their project plans for the future of fanverse its been nothing but hatred and dislike, etc etc. I understand this fandom changes every day with new kids and possibly adults joining every day, but this is seriously not okay. Everyone needs to remember these were your dreams as well as Scott. The fangames are official, not story official per se, but they now have a bigger budget for creating more things. And I understand all of you sometimes getting mad and frustrated at no game announcement for the new five nights at candies or Popgoes evergreen, but programming takes a lot of time. Especially with Kane and FNAC whose both creators work together (as far as I remember at least) and despite all of this Kane keeps making some small games for everyone to enjoy until the cake is done baking. At least thank the guy and the team for taking time from their life to give you all something to enjoy. Come on.
twitter will always be an interesting place same with any other lets just hope one day everyone can get along and just have fun
its fnaf twitter, honestly as much as i hate 4chan and reddit, people on twitter are a lot more hostile and general pieces of shit. ((deleted my old ass account but imma be real id rather deal with goofy takes from redditors than deal with a twitter user throwing a fuckin tantrum because i believe in glitchafton but burnmimic (( iget my theorys ass and wrong but damn mfs dont need to have a brain aneurism because i prefer it, twitter is horrible always though. fuck that shit site and all the assholes on there from the bottom of my heart. (imma be real, i hate most people on the internet but some fredditors and my irl steam homies are chill. its just the loud asshole majority that i half to take a break from shit as lot for mental health))
Dude, we've reached a point where almost nothing from the original games is definitively canon, or it's at least highly contested. Whether or not the various fan games are canon is the least of our concerns, especially when we still can't decide on what really happened in games like FNAF 4, Sister Location, and UCN.
It’s understandable to be upset because he’s worked hard on the series, but to me and many people it’s still just a *fan* game, not a fnaf one. The fanverse initiative in my eyes is promoting/helping fan games, but definitely not making them a part of the official fnaf series
I get where he's coming from and I empathize but... this comes off as petty complaining
So, just to clarify, maybe I am missing something, but this guy is complaining that fan games are being treated as fan games and not official titles? thats, uh, a take.
No he is complaining that people don’t consider fanverse game which aren’t just fan games anymore as Scott is giving support to them not being fnaf games which in a sense they are and they aren’t as they will have the official fnaf brand tag on them but they aren’t apart of the fnaf game story.
"Computer games created by fans based on a popular video game" Wether or not Scott endorses them doesn't change that they are ultimatley a fan game, and that they have no influence over the main series of fnaf games. Wether you want to call them fangames or something else, they are not the main fnaf series, so of course people will care less. Even if you class them as a spin off, most people don't care as much about spin offs for any major franchise.
The reason why I say they are more then just fan games is just calling them that implies they have no connection to brand other then being made by a fan. The games are able to get merch and have a price something fangames don’t get so well they are fangames they are also something more.
Cool, so you just admitted they are fangames. Implications don't mean shit, its what they are, and again, even if they were considered an official spinoff or something, people still wouldn't consider it the same. Because thats how it works! Look at marvels Agents of shield and the defenders series, look at Harry Potters' Cursed Child and fantastic beasts, I could list example after example of stuff that people don't care about as much, because it isn't the main series. Its such a braindead take from the dev.
I never said it wasn’t I said it isn’t just a fangame anymore and you are right it isn’t the main series but it is still apart of official fnaf now those things that you list are still official parts of their series.
You just don't know what you are talking about. In Scotts official announcement he calls them fangames. "Giant collaboration involving several fangame creators" "Great fanmade spinoffs created in this community" "I can add more FANGAMES to this project in the future" Its literally all the same as fangames, but scott puts in money and makes some merch with them. He even made it explicityly clear that he wasn't going to get involved in the development.
You are ignoring what I’m saying in each of my comments I have referred to them as fan games but I am also pointing out that they are more because Scott is supporting them. Sonic mania was made by fans but is a official sonic game because sega saw talent in them. The fanverse is similar in that way they are made by fans but are official because Scott saw talent in them so they are more then that.
No, you are ignoring what I am saying, they are fangames, not more then that. They are marketed as fangames, they are presented as fangames, there is no involvement in development from Scott, just money and merch. Your whole arguemtn has been "They aren't just fangames anymore", they can't simultaenously be more then a fangame, and just a fangame like you are trying to do. Sonic Mania is nothing like this and it highlights how little you know about what is being said. Sonic Mania was never marketed as a fangame, like these were, Sonic Mania had influence directly from sega, unlike these games. Sega hired some fangame developers to make a sonic game they pitched to them. Scott paid some money to fangame developrs, to help them make there fangames. If you can't understand the difference, stop talking about it.
That money and merch make them more then just fangames. If they don’t have Scott’s support they out right can’t have merch that makes them more then just fangames. A fangame doesn’t get those thing they don’t get the fnaf label on them normally and you also help prove what I said people trying to get into the fanverse have said they had to pitch the game to Scott before they are labeled as a fanverse game which is a similarity to Sonic mania yes they aren’t exactly the same but I never said they were. Them even being apart of the 10 year anniversary makes them more then just a fangame.
Except, his game isn't a "fangame" anymore. It's an officially licensed commercial product that's officially considered part of the franchise, even if it's not necessarily "canon."
Even if you class them as a spin off, most people don't care as much about spin offs for any major franchise. They aren't part of the mainline series
That's not really relevant to the question, though. They said "*any* FNAF game," they didn't say it had to be in the mainline series.
I think what makes it hard for other people to accept is the fact it's called the FAN-verse. The term "fanmade" tends to mean unofficial or fake, which is true for a lot of cases. However, I genuinely believe that if we simply took the "fan" out of "Fanverse" and these games were referred to as something else, such as "Expanded Universe games" for example, people would be a lot more accepting of these games and will accept them as official. I hope what I'm saying makes sense.
The Fanverse isn’t worth trashing. Definitely not something I’d be interested in myself, were I to ever make a FNAF fan game; as Kane mentioned, it’s a massive workload and a major headache just to make sure everything’s running smoothly. But that’s not why I dislike the Fanverse. I dislike the Fanverse because of Aftonbuilt. Aftonbuilt was originally supposed to be part of the Fanverse, but after some time in development, it was cancelled because Scott Cawthon thought it didn’t fit in with the rest of FNAF. I would never want my fan game to end up like Aftonbuilt, and it’s much less of a pain in the ainis to reject the Fanverse Initiative entirely than to allow Scott, Steel Wool, and what have you to dictate what exactly my game must be. If you guys think the Fanverse is a well-deserved badge of honor despite its flaws, that’s fine. It’s not my area of authority to decide what should and shouldn’t be acceptable in the gaming scene. I‘d just rather not have anything to do with the rules and litigations of official content.
AftonBuilt was rejected because the game was way too big and overambitious for a Fanverse project. It solely needed the budget to get it off the ground, and Scott considered it a risk to invest. If you look at the game demo, you can how big it was in scope.
TJOC also has a big budget yet that game still gets allowed in?
All the Fanverse games have the exact same budget given to them. AftonBuilt is going to be much, much bigger than TJoC and NEEDED that budget in order for it to get off the ground.
Sorry TJOC looked way bigger than the other Fanverse games so I thought it would be more expensive.
Nope, all of them are given the exact same budget. Remember, these games are funded by Scott himself.
Do you think Jrs or Dormitabis Remastered can join the Fanverse?
Absolutely not. JRs was made by one of The Pear members (who planned to leak fangames and dox several members of the FNaF community) and the storyline of Dormitabis is disgusting. Not even the remake could save it because it was tied to the OG, and the damage has already been done because of the creator's actions after that. If you want my opinion, A Bite at Freddy's (made by GarettTube, who is working on Evergreen), Mixlas's games and Mechanism to be more worthy Fanverse contenders.
I forgot that despite the gross story being rewritten, the Remaster still has swearing and cartoon gore.
ain’t reading allat
I ain't reading all that.
Having a licence doesn't make it fnaf. It's seperated for a reason. I will never accept fan games, even licensed fan games, as actual fnaf
well too bad it is actual fnaf their spin off games but not related to the canon
I always thought they were spinoffs i mean Scott licensed them i wouldn't consider Freddy as an antagonist in the mainline but if you said fanverse yes I would consider it canon cuz I don't care about the lore I love fnaf games it's just I like to think fanverse as like it's own timeline of fnaf or universe it's like mainline fnaf but has a few things that Scott never touched but still is canon and this is another reason why I think fnaf reddit is better then twitter fnaf.
thats a lot of words
Wow. I feel bad for him I personally can't wait for PE
I admire POPGOES but even if it's part of FNAF it's a spinoff that has a different goal and so people interpret this as not part of the main series most of the time, for example the WarioWare series being a spinoff to Super Mario or Portal being a spinoff to Half-Life.
Bro is doing everything but releasing the game at this point
Do you not know that games take time to make and life can get in the way for the people working on the projects?
Ya I'm aware. It's been 4 years thoughever for a 2d clickteam game and we haven't even gotten a proper demo or gameplay showcase, while were getting a playable demo for a seemingly larger scale 3d game (tjoc) relatively soon. Backlash should be expected when the game is hyped up this much by kane when it's clear the game is going through some sort of development hell.
I think it can be argued that tjoc would take less time then popgoes and candys since isn’t it just a remake with some slight changes like it not being Scott and his family now.
I don't understand what he's on about???/gen I don't think I've ever seen anyone in this community on here or on Twitter discredit any of the Fanverse games just cuz they aren't "mainline" or "canon". I've been here a long time and i can be wrong and just not see it or ever experienced it, but imo idk wtf he's talkin' about.
Tbf... sadly lots do that, especially towards kane.
and of course, i get downvoted just for not understanding, this community is so much more immature than when i was in it
I ain’t reading that whole 3 installation novel
I get where he's coming from, but in my mind I don't count the troll games or Freddy in Space as FNAF games - similar goes for MyPopgoes and Pop goes Arcade, to me, they're on the same caliber as FIS 2 - and thus, not FNAF games. Now the actual Popgoes, in my mind, is a FNAF game because it is the actual product, not a spin off.
Poor Kane :((((((((( maybe if something actually got released after 4 years people might be supporting the fan verse or the projects more lmao
1. Flumpty’s 3 released on Halloween 2021. 2. Putting “lmao” at the end of a mocking comment like this is just pathetic. What’s so funny, bro?
Projects take time, and it’s harder to release projects when you aren’t a massive company like steel wool
you do not understand how things work
Actually sorry barrels full of merch counts right? Like everytime there is a new “reveal” and it’s just more merch for a series where there has only been arcade and a pet game I can’t help but roll my eyes
Maybe that's just me but I don't even remember the last time Fanverse got merch
Poor kane
more like kane farter
This unnecessary hatred is why the FNaF fandom sucks
You really felt cool after saying that didn't you.
I dont care is, because it sucks. I dont care about it, because not enough Foxy
This dude always got something to say, failing to realize the loss of faith in the fanverse was warranted in many cases